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Tower Of God:

In honor of my 50lb pup
[up]/agree. True, the only bits that are spoiled are that it looks like Baam breaks the machine just by tutching it and that the Yeon girl messes up on her punch (both things that could be predicted from our point of view) but still...

[up][up]That is a better idea then I have had thus far. My best guess up to now was "Top 8 vs all the others" where only the people still standing at the end (time limit or reduced to # of people) get to move on. With no rule that the top 8 can't hurt each other.

The other 7 of the top 8 might (maybe 6 of the top 8 because of the flame girl being on Baam's side) all go after Baam to (try and) stop him from being a threat latter on. The weaker people would decide "I would rather help someone who is at least reasonable/not a jerk than those other guys" and help Baam, thus earning their place in the group moving up.

...Like I said, I like your idea better.
@the flame girl's ability: There is always the posibility she uses shinsoo to create/controll the flame but the flame itself is normal fire. I know I've seen that sort of thing before.

edited 20th Mar '12 4:03:33 PM by Belian

Yu hav nat sein bod speeling unntil know. (cacke four undersandig tis)the cake is a lie!
 77 EHK, Tue, 20th Mar '12 4:03:16 PM from EAST ALWAYS EAST
Happy Christmas!
Baam has not proved to be reasonable at all yet. In fact he just spent time trying to kill everyone in his room. So you know must people would rather help out a jerk than a homicidal maniac.

edited 20th Mar '12 4:03:47 PM by EHK

A friend is someone you trust to help you move. A best friend is someone you trust to hide the body.
In honor of my 50lb pup
True... but at least he was strait forward about it. And not trying to cheat the test with political influence.
Yu hav nat sein bod speeling unntil know. (cacke four undersandig tis)the cake is a lie!
 79 EHK, Tue, 20th Mar '12 4:06:02 PM from EAST ALWAYS EAST
Happy Christmas!
I'd still rather work with an asshole using his family to win than a guy who might just turn around and blow me up.

Just sayin.
A friend is someone you trust to help you move. A best friend is someone you trust to hide the body.
 80 Gilphon, Tue, 20th Mar '12 4:17:05 PM from The Third Sound Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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That's fair, but I'd personally rather have the insanely powerful and unpredictable guy as an ally than an enemy.

"Canada Day is over, and now begins the endless dark of the Canada Night."
 81 EHK, Tue, 20th Mar '12 5:28:54 PM from EAST ALWAYS EAST
Happy Christmas!
If he can be an ally. Baam has thus far shown zero inclination towards working together.

Has he done anything to gain your trust?

Actually now that I think of it they all are trying to climb the tower. I can see many of them making the gamble and hoping Baam won't turn around and attack them.
A friend is someone you trust to help you move. A best friend is someone you trust to hide the body.
 82 Gilphon, Tue, 20th Mar '12 5:31:38 PM from The Third Sound Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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Better than turning on him and guaranteeing that he'll attack you.

edited 20th Mar '12 5:32:01 PM by Gilphon

"Canada Day is over, and now begins the endless dark of the Canada Night."
 83 EHK, Tue, 20th Mar '12 5:33:15 PM from EAST ALWAYS EAST
Happy Christmas!
Yup no matter what it's a gamble.

For all you know he'd let you help beat the other people then kill you afterwards.

I guess the only way I'd be mostly comfortable with him as my partner would be my death meaning his failure as well.
A friend is someone you trust to help you move. A best friend is someone you trust to hide the body.
 84 Gilphon, Tue, 20th Mar '12 5:42:19 PM from The Third Sound Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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Oh, look, we've run into the prisoner's dilemma!

Well, it would be the prisoner's dilemma if it weren't for the facts that they can freely communicate and that there's no guarantee of beating Baam even if they do all gang up on him, both of which complicate things somewhat.
"Canada Day is over, and now begins the endless dark of the Canada Night."
 85 EHK, Tue, 20th Mar '12 5:44:11 PM from EAST ALWAYS EAST
Happy Christmas!
Yup there's nothing guaranteeing their life at all. Such is climbing the tower though. They have to make a choice and pray that it works out.

The only thing that they know for certain about Baam is that he wants to climb the tower and that he is very strong for a regular of that floor.
A friend is someone you trust to help you move. A best friend is someone you trust to hide the body.
Euo will do!
To be honest, if I entered that room blind and was faced with the unpredictable, time bomb, walking nuclear warhead that is Baam or the rather shallow, but known, entity that is a Royal Brat/ Spoiled Brat, I'd go with the Bratling from hell. There are ways around brats, even if you have to suppress apoplexy when dealing with them.

Around a powerful geyser you have no way of knowing the timing of? Pass...

We know the Baam that was: they're faced with a devil. Worse, a devil with an ominous set of friends that likely make your friendly neighbourhood yakuza look nice. About the only safe thing about him they know is that... he likes chips. Wooty?

edited 20th Mar '12 9:06:11 PM by Euodiachloris

"When all else failed, she tried being reasonable." ~ Pratchett, Johnny and the Bomb
 87 fanty, Wed, 21st Mar '12 3:17:53 AM from ANGRYTOWN
Woefully Ineloquent
Hey can you all do me a favor and give a heads up when you are going to talk about stuff that hasn't been translated yet, or say that it is so I can go try and find it? I don't like being spoiled although those are minor points so I don't really care too much but for future reference.
Actually, the latest chapter has already been translated. It was posted in the mangafox forums, but I can't give you a link right now because mangafox is down for some reason.

EDIT: here are the links:

Isn't that one dude out of the bombs that can hurt Baam?
He has at least four of them on this page. He threw two, so he has at least two left.

Anyway, however this test ends, I hope that the view will then switch over to the Lahel group. That's where all my favourite characters are, and I'd like to see which floor they are on. They are probably ahead of Baam, especially considering the fact that, for a mercenary, the fact that he fought and won against Hatsu is his selling point. That whole group must be famous by now.

I wonder if all of them really stuck together. When it comes to tests like "only eight can pass", there'd be no option but break up, and since they don't have any irregulars among them, they can't take the guardian's test. (Or is Akryung an irregular? Even if he is, I can't really imagine him going to the guardian and asking for a group-test. Actually, I can't imagine him saying anything at all, to anybody at all...)

I also wonder about how Anak would get away from more R.E.D. guys sent to kill her, because I'm sure they would still want to kill her. Even everyone in that group put together couldn't possibly do anything against an (un-handicapped) ranker...

edited 21st Mar '12 4:38:17 AM by fanty

Individual liberation is an illusion.
 88 EHK, Wed, 21st Mar '12 9:24:25 AM from EAST ALWAYS EAST
Happy Christmas!
Well maybe on the other floors the master of that floor wouldn't be as big of an asshole and wouldn't be letting Rankers dick with their regulars.

Also the images won't get larger for me so I will just have to wait. Alas.
A friend is someone you trust to help you move. A best friend is someone you trust to hide the body.
 89 Gilphon, Wed, 21st Mar '12 2:39:50 PM from The Third Sound Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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They are two things about that:
  • There's no guarantee that the Guardian's test would allow everyone to pass. Indeed, the Guardian's tests tend to be harder than the ones Rankers give out, so it's entirely possible that they would more likely to do that.
  • There's nothing stopping people who fail from retaking the test once you get past floor 2, so a large group can just get through in two rounds.
"Canada Day is over, and now begins the endless dark of the Canada Night."
Conceptually Frameworked
I don't know, the only guardian we've seen has been pretty reasonable.

While I wouldn't say the test was easier, I'd have to say guardian tests seem more accessible.

The new tests specifically seem to exclude an awful lot of participants out of hand.
"Nullius addictus iurare in verba magistri, quo me cumque rapit tempestas, deferor hospes."
 91 Gilphon, Wed, 21st Mar '12 3:11:56 PM from The Third Sound Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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The thing is that we have nothing to compare it to, difficulty-wise; we never found out what test the Rankers would've given out. Heck, even Baam's little escape clause must've seemed like it was pretty unlikely to come into effect.

Also, consider Headon. I think we can assume that the test he gave Baam was significantly harder than anything any even half-way reasonable Ranker would've given.
"Canada Day is over, and now begins the endless dark of the Canada Night."
Euo will do!
Yeah. Our favourite psycho-bunny look-a-like is also a floor guardian. Never forget that.

So, strictly speaking, we have a 50% hit-rate on reasonableness. And, to be honest, I found the 2nd Floor guardian a bit flaky, as well. Just not as bananas as Headon.

"Reasonable" is certainly not a word that works in the same sentence with Headon's name... [lol] Sure, you can reason at him. Good luck with that. wink

I think we'll find that all floor guardians work solidly within Blue and Orange Morality with overtones of Fair Folk thrown in for kicks. smile I'd not want to take any tests written by administrators taking leaves out of those two books, to be honest.

edited 21st Mar '12 4:37:30 PM by Euodiachloris

"When all else failed, she tried being reasonable." ~ Pratchett, Johnny and the Bomb
Conceptually Frameworked
Oh come on, just because you have a greater chance of surviving Administrators' tests, doesn't make them fairer!

Don't all the tests seem excessively complicated though? I suppose that's part of the fun and the in-universe challenge.
"Nullius addictus iurare in verba magistri, quo me cumque rapit tempestas, deferor hospes."
In honor of my 50lb pup
I doubt that they are all that complicated. It is just that the importaint milestone ones have added complexities to them

Then again, it depends on how you define "complicated." A floor's test rules could be as simple as "get from point A to point B... without getting killed." Now think of how complicated that could get at higher floors...
Yu hav nat sein bod speeling unntil know. (cacke four undersandig tis)the cake is a lie!
 95 Gilphon, Wed, 21st Mar '12 5:07:20 PM from The Third Sound Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Scum
I also think it's likely that the 2nd floor guardian is extremely mellow by their standards, considering the fact that he had one of the easiest floors until Phantaminium showed up and made them remodel it.
"Canada Day is over, and now begins the endless dark of the Canada Night."
Euo will do!
I don't think the Tower and its guardian-denizens do 'fair', or even if they have even a glimmer of the concept of it. As a result, whoever does the selecting, be it Ranker or Guardians... the Tower itself doesn't give a toss. As long as somebody is capable of going up, that's all that counts.

Rankers are just going to give more human-like levels of unfair- or fairness via a filter of Zahard-standardised rules 'n regs. That's all my point was. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

But, please credit me this, I did compare Guardians to the Fair Folk... who are anything but fair. wink

edited 21st Mar '12 5:23:06 PM by Euodiachloris

"When all else failed, she tried being reasonable." ~ Pratchett, Johnny and the Bomb
Conceptually Frameworked
Well now I've read the chapter (it's up on Batoto/THCMPNY's website or on mediafire here in case anyone hasn't read it)...

Aha, Baam is looking pretty well under 9000. So it's nice to be reminded that he still has his limits (well, assuming he put a halfway decent amount of effort into that punch). Still surprised everyone.

This probably means that the ice queen girl will be joining his team. But we don't know if ether of them will defrost.
"Nullius addictus iurare in verba magistri, quo me cumque rapit tempestas, deferor hospes."
Spoilerlover
Last time I checked, 134.769 is over 9.000, so Vegeta can start screaming now.

Also Baam is going by as Viole, interesting...

Conceptually Frameworked
But if you look at it that way, everyone's over 9000.

And look at all those zeros. That's no fun.

I assume you didn't mean to include the decimal points though?

Yeah the name "Viole" threw me at first. What a strange pseudonym.

[down] I meant your post ([up]) has decimals (maybe they're actually commas?) in it but the actual chapter doesn't.

And the kid doesn't seem very happy either. He should be grateful the machine wasn't broken.

edited 22nd Mar '12 4:32:31 AM by UltimatelySubjective

"Nullius addictus iurare in verba magistri, quo me cumque rapit tempestas, deferor hospes."
Spoilerlover
The 0 slots in the machine could be just a design choice, like many pinball cabinets.

The score chart surely doesn't place contestant's results in way that could be read as decimals.

That's basic math, if those were decimals, 0.134764 is not higher than 0.25551

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