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[up] I thought that Rachel did enter the tower on her own? Although I forget exactly what Headon Nim said (remember him? Think "nightmare smile rabbit") I'm sure he offered her the chance to take the first test, but she complained it was too hard. Perhaps her desire to see the tower alone was enough to get her in.

And I'm pretty sure Rachel didn't have a plan. What she did was part of the deal she struck with Nim. He really should have known better. Unless he did it to make Bam stronger in which case...
"Nullius addictus iurare in verba magistri, quo me cumque rapit tempestas, deferor hospes."
 52 EHK, Mon, 19th Mar '12 7:26:09 AM from EAST ALWAYS EAST
Happy Christmas!
So I'm going to assume that there was no team work exercises in the floors 3-19 because I can't see Baam playing well with others right now.
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Euo will do!
[up][up] It's pretty well established that Rachel did have some form of vague plan. She knew, somehow, that the Tower would call Baam at some point. How she knew this is still up in the air, but I'm betting it had something to do with the Zarhard seal that was quite openly displayed where she met him. She used that knowledge to befriend him so that he'd eventually open the door, and she'd go through, instead: when she had no way of doing it for herself. That's why Headon pretty much accused her of being a lying cow when they met. I got the distinct impression that if she hadn't have been useful to get Baam inside the Tower and on the way to climbing (hence the whole plot with the various adimins and guardians), she wouldn't have survived that conversation.

What does interest me is how she knew, anyway. I suspect our lovely little Rachel was as much of a patsy from the very start as she ended up turning practically everybody else on the 2nd Floor into. No idea who's patsy, though.

[up] That, and the group of people he's been associating with for learning don't play well with others, either. Or, for some reason, have strongly neglected that side of the learning process.

edited 19th Mar '12 3:02:20 PM by Euodiachloris

"When all else failed, she tried being reasonable." ~ Pratchett, Johnny and the Bomb
 54 Gilphon, Mon, 19th Mar '12 2:42:21 PM from The Third Sound Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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I got the impression that floors 3-19 were all easy enough for one to get by without being able to play nice.
Welp, sig's different now.
Euo will do!
Hmmmm, yes: probably a blast of shinsoo would clear most problems for Baam. Lower level regulars would still be mostly going for the physical stuff anyway, rather than reaching for their relatively newer (and shakier) shinsoo-based solutions... and are therefore not expecting the energy blast Baam could feed 'em. The challenges on those floors probably reflect that, as well. Up to now, anyway.

edited 19th Mar '12 4:34:45 PM by Euodiachloris

"When all else failed, she tried being reasonable." ~ Pratchett, Johnny and the Bomb
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I would think that, under normal cercomstances, floors 1-19 are the "Ok, here is how the tower works"/tutorial floors (ie. the first dungon of a game). Floor 20 would be the first boss that you have a hard time against and thus where the "ordinary" people stop.

This was changed because the strongest/highest ranked people in the tower decided to stop "problems" early on and turned floor 2 into a filter/roadblock. And also because Bamm is the "hero" who needed to be groomed for his future chalanges/roll in the story.
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 57 EHK, Mon, 19th Mar '12 10:26:05 PM from EAST ALWAYS EAST
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All he was groomed into was a Terminator though.
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He still has to kill someone onscreen though.

 59 EHK, Tue, 20th Mar '12 12:08:02 PM from EAST ALWAYS EAST
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I don't think he will unless the person is more or less a complete monster. In general you don't want to make your hero unlikable.
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Well, S.I.U already made Baam part of a feared organization, the path has been opnened for Baam to do something we may not like, considering his original pacifist character.

but that can work in reverse too, Baam might be the White Sheep in his group, who goes by less destructive methods.

 61 EHK, Tue, 20th Mar '12 12:30:51 PM from EAST ALWAYS EAST
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Or he did a bunch of terrible things off screen during the skip and his character arc is going to be about learning to care again and possibly redemption.
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I think he will need to bond again with his original companions to redeem himself, alone he will only feed his doubts and sense of betrayal by Rachel even more.

 63 EHK, Tue, 20th Mar '12 12:37:57 PM from EAST ALWAYS EAST
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He doesn't have to be alone. He's with people right now, and one of them gave him some food.

Seeing some of his original companions might actually make him worse.

edited 20th Mar '12 12:47:10 PM by EHK

A friend is someone you trust to help you move. A best friend is someone you trust to hide the body.
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It depends, unless S.I.U writes Baam as having come to harbor feelings of betrayal by his orignal friends as well, I don't think seeing them again could make things worse for Baam's state of mind.

but it also depends on how Rachel herself could have made Baam's original companions into her own close pals, this is the thing that could make Baam lose his mind, with them honoring Baam's original wishes to take Rachel to the top, it will backfire on how Baam feels about Rachel now.

 65 EHK, Tue, 20th Mar '12 12:47:39 PM from EAST ALWAYS EAST
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It's really hard to tell. We haven't seen any of his thoughts. All we have seen is him act really murderous.
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Well, he definitely still thinks about Rachel and her dream to reach the top, but what he thinks about it is a mistery.

I'm only assuming it's dark feelings due the last time we saw him, pre time-skip, his heart was aching with a feeling he never felt before, it could well as be hatret.

 67 EHK, Tue, 20th Mar '12 12:53:19 PM from EAST ALWAYS EAST
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More likely betrayal, disbelief, sadness, shock and dozens of others at that point. It would grow into hatred almost certainly, but one never knows.

Heck for all we know he has "forgiven" Rachel and just wants to destroy the tower and everyone in it. Nothing personal.
A friend is someone you trust to help you move. A best friend is someone you trust to hide the body.
 68 Gilphon, Tue, 20th Mar '12 1:22:24 PM from The Third Sound Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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It's definitely hard to know what's going through his head right now. It seems like he's hesitant to trust anyone because of how that worked out for him before, but beyond thatů
Welp, sig's different now.
 69 fanty, Tue, 20th Mar '12 2:25:32 PM from ANGRYTOWN
Woefully Ineloquent
Oooh! A TOG thread! I've already mentioned that I want these three panels engraved on my tombstone after I die (in the Korean Webtoon thread), but another thing to mention is the fact that I don't want Baam to be too overpowered. That Yeon girl messed up while punching the machine, and I'm glad she did, because that means that I can still have some hope for her. I wonder if her ability to set people on fire is shinsoo-based. If it isn't, then I wonder how Baam would defend against it. I really hope the next test is everyone vs. Baam, but it'd also be nice if SIU surprised me with something, this webtoon has already surprised me many times.

Earlier today I was thinking about what my most favourite TOG chapter would be, and decided that the end of the Crown Game (from where the last round starts), and the end of the Submerged Fish Test (from around where Ren shows up) were both the best. Actually, I've been thinking about TOG a lot lately, and spending too much time lurking on the Batoto forums, so much time that I blocked myself from that site... and started lurking on the Mangafox TOG subforum. God save me.

edited 20th Mar '12 2:26:01 PM by fanty

Individual liberation is an illusion.
 70 Gilphon, Tue, 20th Mar '12 2:55:30 PM from The Third Sound Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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Ehh, he's no more overpowered than the Princesses were in part 1.
Welp, sig's different now.
 71 fanty, Tue, 20th Mar '12 2:59:11 PM from ANGRYTOWN
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They at least had eachother to fight. (Hatsu did well against Anak too.) Who is there to challenge Baam in this test?
Individual liberation is an illusion.
 72 Gilphon, Tue, 20th Mar '12 3:03:23 PM from The Third Sound Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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On floor 20? No one, by all accounts. No, Baam's almost certainly going to breeze through it, but he doesn't seem like he's going to help anyone either, so that's why we have Wangnan and the other new characters.
Welp, sig's different now.
 73 fanty, Tue, 20th Mar '12 3:09:05 PM from ANGRYTOWN
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Him breezing through it would be so boring, that's why I hope everyone will gang up against him.

I just remembered, only eight can pass, and Wangnan is not in the top 8, so SOMETHING will have to happen. (Wangnan still has those bombs that work on Baam.)

edited 20th Mar '12 3:11:02 PM by fanty

Individual liberation is an illusion.
 74 Gilphon, Tue, 20th Mar '12 3:15:44 PM from The Third Sound Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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It doesn't seem like we're going to be on floor 20 for very long, mind you. There's just the punching thing, whatever the final round is, and we're done.

wild mass guessThe final round of the test will involve each person in the top 8 choosing a partner from among the others. That's why Lurker's group has three important folks and three of those random worker dudes, and why some many of our new characters are below 8 line.wild mass guess
Welp, sig's different now.
 75 EHK, Tue, 20th Mar '12 3:51:30 PM from EAST ALWAYS EAST
Happy Christmas!
Hey can you all do me a favor and give a heads up when you are going to talk about stuff that hasn't been translated yet, or say that it is so I can go try and find it? I don't like being spoiled although those are minor points so I don't really care too much but for future reference.

Unless I'm the only one who cares about hearing about the spoilers then I'll stay quiet about it.

If they do pair up it would make me smile if it was Baam and the Yeon girl because he wins her. Team over powered for the win. Isn't that one dude out of the bombs that can hurt Baam?

edited 20th Mar '12 3:56:45 PM by EHK

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