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Lelouch : "Type IV AntiHero" or "Type V AntiHero" ?:

Raven Wilder
I'd say he waffles between Type III and Type IV. Most of the time he's just taking the most practical course of action given his situation, but a few events like the massacre of the Geass Order are definitely Type IV territory.

edited 9th Dec '10 6:56:14 AM by RavenWilder

"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko
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He shifts from 3 to 5, but he's more often 4 than 3 or 5.
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 4 Killer Rabbit, Thu, 9th Dec '10 4:52:32 AM from In the Ning Nang Nong
Just wondering
A 3 trying very hard to be a 4 and not doing a very good job of it.
They give birth astride of a grave, the light gleams for an instant, then it's night once more
Her with the hat
That pages actually has him down as Type 4 "on average". Which sounds about right to me.
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Yeah, I'm going with 4 too. He never quite reaches 5 for any long amount of time to count, I don't think.

Azor Ahai
Yeah, I'd go with 4 to. He's probably at 5 by the end of the show, but saying "4 on average" sounds right.
Hodor
He's a bit of Type VI AND V with a little helping of Villain Protagonist too.

I think he is a type V the more of the time.

Season one
  • he started being a type V , but then later in the season became more in a type IV, but at the end of the season came back to be a type V (when he abandonment to his subordinates).

Season Two
  • He started being a Type IV (Bordering in a type III), but then became a type V (Bordering on Villain Protagonist) when he massacres Geass Cult]].
 
Started out as a Type V? Hardly. He had both III and IV moments.

A Type V is an anti-hero with a fundamental lack of good motivation behind his actions.

edited 9th Dec '10 1:17:56 PM by azul120

 
At the beginning of the series, his motivations were purely selfish (Revenge).

edited 9th Dec '10 4:05:47 PM by cclospina

 
Raven Wilder
Umm, no, at the beginning his motivation was "to create a world where his younger sister Nunally can find happiness." It says so right in the opening narration in some episodes, and C.C. refers to her as Lelouch's "sole reason for living."
"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko
Her with the hat
That was one of his motivations; Revenge was another. Where that combination averages out is up for debate. And I always thought that the combination of selfishness and selflessness was sort of the point.
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Raven Wilder
At the end of Season 1, at least, he certainly seems to value protecting Nunally over his "obliterate Brittania" plan.
"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko
Yeah. Episodes 5 and 7, for instance, drive home the point pretty well.
 
I'd say that he's a combination of a Byronic Hero with a Type IV.
 
Agree, the beginning of the series was not a Type V.

So I think it would be so:

Season 1
  • Type IV (Episode 1 to Episode 22)
  • Type V (Episode 23 to Episode 25)

Season 2
  • Type IV (Episode 1 to Episode 13)
  • Type V (Episode 14 to Episode 21)
  • Villain Protagonist (Episode 22 to episode 25)

edited 11th Dec '10 3:00:31 PM by cclospina

 
Raven Wilder
How the hell is the end of season one Type V?
"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko
I'd say Turns 15-21 he'd be a Type IV, with the final few episodes of the series him being a Type V at worst, because he was basically a Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds in that he still had good intentions, but just wasn't all in the head because he'd been pushed down one too many times.
 
Raven Wilder: He abandons his subordinates, and telling them that they were replaceable.

Azul 120: In the episode 15 he massacred the Geass Cult, The only thing that separated him from being a villain was that the Geass cult was a Asshole Victim
  • in the episode 22, he killed to many innocent.

  • Woobie Destroyer Of Worlds is a Villain trope.

edited 12th Dec '10 7:52:12 AM by cclospina

 
Turn 14 was the Geass Cult massacre. 15 was the C's World episode.

And Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds isn't a purely villainous trope. Just because something is filed under a certain category doesn't make it off-limits to everything that doesn't fit. Shinji during End of Evangelion is such an example.
 
Raven Wilder
He abandons his subordinates, and telling them that they were replaceable.

He abandoned them to go save his sister's life, though. While it shows that his priorities may not be where we'd want them to be, he's still acting to protect someone else's life. How can that possibly qualify as "no heroic traits"?

And, quite frankly, in a war there are very few people who aren't replaceable.
"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko
Her with the hat
It's not villainous, but it's pretty bad leadership. Given the outcome there, it's definitely set up as being the wrong thing to do, even if it isn't exactly morally bad. (Which is pretty specifically lampshaded in R2 a few times.)
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Well, if we talk about alignment, I think Lelouch is like a combination of Chaotic Selfish and Selfish Good (except the 4 last episodes that is more Neutral Evil or Chaotic Evil).

 
...can still bite
Season 1 •Type IV (Episode 1 to Episode 22) •Type V (Episode 23 to Episode 25)

Season 2 •Type IV (Episode 1 to Episode 13) •Type V (Episode 14 to Episode 21) •Villain Protagonist (Episode 22 to episode 25)

Couldn't have said it better myself. He is naturally a Type IV and only becomes a Type V when he crosses a Moral Event Horizon.

How the hell is the end of season one Type V?

At the end of episode 23 he kills the 'purge' engineers, the first time he kills civilians. Not to mention that speech about getting rid of his conscience.

edited 13th Dec '10 8:27:19 PM by shiro_okami

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