Necroing after two years. Yes, the rules must be enforces stronger. Basically every single page I get on to edit has some Bullet points problem.
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Can there also be a mention on that page that/if it also works the same on works lists on trope pages as it does on trope lists on work pages. Since I just went looking for that and couldn't find that info, I assume it works the same but would like some kind of confirmation.
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It applies to all uses of bullets on the wiki, whether it's works on a trope page or tropes on a work page. However, I agree that that fact is not clear at all; I was very confused about it myself initially.
Well, we could call it Remedial Indentation For Dummies, but that seems a little unfriendly.
Are people really confused abut the difference between indenting one thing or the other? It's indenting. I added a bit to indicate we are talking about indentation in general.
edited 16th Feb '12 8:35:32 AM by FastEddie
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It's more that I want to make sure I've got it right before I start going around and fixing stuff, it's not fun putting effort into fixing stuff only to find out you made things worse, but not that it's verified I can get to work.
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The part that I found confusing was that it talks exclusively about works pages and trope lists, with nothing on the page to say that it also applies to trope pages and works lists.
I think a good place to start would be to put Example Indentation in Trope Lists right on the index page, and urge people to read it first.
For instance, one part of the page clearly demonstrates this:
- Another Trope:
- In "Another Episode" (1x2), Alice bangs it out
- In "Yet Another Episode" (1x3), Bob subverts it
I admit that I didn't read EIITL until a private message sent to me just yesterday pointed out the mistake I made, like with the example above.
In fact, it seems that a good course of action would be to fix whatever mistake you come across, and send a private message to whoever made the mistake and point them to the EIITL page. Remember, letting people know something is contagious. Pass it on! 
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That's always a good thing to do, yeah. This sandbox contains form PM ideas similar to the natterfy message, so if you're unsure of what to write you can base the message off the Example Indentation message there.
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No, the other one.
I have a related question. What do you do if you have an example that's basically text, then a quotation, then more text, but all in one example? Mixing bullet points and the kind of indentation used for quotations tends to be messy.
Otherwise I always try to edit this when I see them in or nearby the examples I'm editing. Much like namespacing or other formatting errors.
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I find that in those cases, it can usually be recast so that all the text is in one block, before the quote, since the text should be giving the context for the quote. It's really rare to find one like that where the second block of text can't be either incorporated into the first one, or, more likely, deleted as Natter.
edited 10th Dec '12 8:16:28 AM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
"In distress", my ass.
Quotes can be problematic in general, though as it's not the focus of this thread I'll see if there's an existing thread on the subject to bump, or make one from scratch if none exist.
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And it turned out there wasn't anything that really applied, in a forum title search, so I made a new thread
on the issue.
edited 10th Dec '12 9:01:07 AM by Nohbody
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If the quote is in a top-level bullet, use blank indentation markup (:: at the start of a line) to indent the text underneath it.
- Text text text
- Quote quote quote
- Text text text
If it's in a double-bullet, the indent won't line up right, so you'll have to rewrite it.
edited 10th Dec '12 9:01:48 AM by troacctid
Rhymes with "Protracted."
In uffish thought
Troacctid: Do you mean that it shows up indented as far as a first-level bullet? You just add more colons at the start to indent it another level; ::: goes as far as a second-level bullet.
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Yep. Use one colon more than the number of bullets.
* gets ::
** gets :::
*** gets :::: If the third level bullet is really necessary, which, aside from a very few pages (Idiosyncratic Difficulty Names comes to mind), it probably isn't.
edited 10th Dec '12 11:01:40 AM by Madrugada
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I think that's a design flaw, IMHO.
edited 10th Dec '12 11:10:29 AM by Stratadrake
An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.You can use three colons, but triple-colon doesn't line up with double-bullet for some reason.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
No, the other one.
Bit of a necro, but it's related.
How should proper indentation look on pages that use dashes instead of colons after trope names?
Trope - Example of trope.
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Same as always.
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No, the other one.
I generally only see dashes used for work pages, not trope pages, in case someone wondered why I used "Trope - Example of trope," rather than "Work - Description of how the trope is used."
You mean like:
- Trope -
- Character A in B way.
- Character C on a segway.
In uffish thought
Ja, ich auch. Indentation remains unchanged, however. Though I reckon the best thing to do is to change them all to colons whilst fixing the indentation, if you've got time.
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No, the other one.
Well, it's only about 700 lines on that particular page...
Anyway, thanks.
edited 22nd Jun '13 5:32:38 AM by AnotherDuck
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Ouch.
Well, that's where find-and-replace comes in handy. (With double-checking to make sure that dashes within the item description are left alone.) Done.
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No, the other one.
If I do edits that that take more than one check-out period, I copy the source into my favourite text editor instead, and check if there's been any updates once I'm done. In this case, it's easier to replace all and check for errors, than to check each as you replace.
By the way, someone else doing what I've said I will do or am doing is the main reason I don't bother actually doing much in TRS/projects.
edited 22nd Jun '13 11:39:37 AM by AnotherDuck
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Technically speaking dashes are the wrong punctuation to use, you should use a colon.
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It often occurs to me that we should somehow draw more attention to Example Indentation In Trope Lists and the rules therein. The practices are currently far more honored in the breach than in the observance. Often in Thread Mode, but there are also tons of examples where paragraph breaks are needed.
It's also irritatingly hard to repair this sort of thing, as it basically involves reweaving a convoluted series of bad indentations into one coherent narrative.
I also wonder if we could rename this page somehow to be snappier, or at least more memorable. I can never remember what this page is called, exactly.
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