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The New Touhou Character Alternate Interpretation Compendium!:

 21151 asterism, Wed, 10th Oct '12 5:59:44 AM Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
This amuses me
I agree. On the whole, most Touhou characters are people you'd avoid like the plague given the choice. But Shou definitely seems like a good person to have as a friend.

Plus she bring good fortune to those around her, so that's a plus.
 21152 Otherarrow, Wed, 10th Oct '12 8:41:27 AM from the Moon Cell Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Hakunon's Strange Quest
I like to think that her good luck is just always on. Good fortune constantly happens to her, but she has avatared for so long that she has grown to kinda ignore it (and once and a while it slips her mind that is actually something special). On a plus side, it unintentionally makes her look humble. (Not that she isn't, but still)

Also, I am really impressed by your write up. You touched on points that I didn't even consider, such as her being a shining example of a youkai changing her purpose, and that the reason she was picked for avatardom in the first place was because she was honorable and trustworthy, and this continues on now that she works for a deity.

Shou really does seem like a pretty cool gal.

 21153 Antimatter 625, Wed, 10th Oct '12 11:27:37 AM from my secret place
Baring hearts for years
her being a shining example of a youkai changing her purpose

Considering Byakuren's true goal of human/Youkai buddyness (Rather than Buddhadom), Kyouko and especially Shou are extremely important members of Myouren Temple. I suspect Byakuren originally recruited Shou as little more than a gambit to gain the favor of a god, but since reawakening, has come to appreciate just what Shou sacrificed to become what she is... and realized that perhaps others could, too.
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 21154 Bocaj, Wed, 10th Oct '12 11:31:29 AM from Here Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Chaotic Lulzy
I think Byakuren did want to spread Buddhism to youkai in an effort to improve their fates or whatever. That was a real thing that she had going on with her character. She did grow to sympathize and want to help youkai beyond their role as a life extender for her.
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 21155 Recon 5, Wed, 10th Oct '12 12:56:31 PM from Southeast Asia
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On the whole, most Touhou characters are people you'd avoid like the plague given the choice.

Catch them on a good day and do something they like and things will go well. Most of them just act like the spoiled little girls with superpowers they are anyway.

 21156 Antimatter 625, Wed, 10th Oct '12 3:19:11 PM from my secret place
Baring hearts for years
She did grow to sympathize and want to help youkai beyond their role as a life extender for her.

This is true, but I think the way she was trying to help them wasn't so much Buddhism as making them able to coexist with humanity.
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 21157 Bocaj, Wed, 10th Oct '12 3:50:52 PM from Here Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Chaotic Lulzy
It used Buddhism. Buddhism is a thing that she thinks will make youkai's lives better and make them more able to live together with humans. Its her methods. The entire reason for the Shou is because she wanted Bishamonten to meet the youkai but he was too busy and they were afraid of him so she offered a less terrifying alternative.

She may have lapsed at various points but Byakuren does believe in Buddhism.
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 21158 Antimatter 625, Thu, 11th Oct '12 11:30:18 PM from my secret place
Baring hearts for years
[up]Also, I saw it as going in the opposite direction; she wanted to protect Youkai, so she showed off the best they've got to a god in hopes that he'd... well, if not take them under his wing than at least not shun them. She may be a buddhist, but I think she's pro-youkai more than pro-enlightenment. They just go hand in hand really well.

So, the Pagoda turns whatever it hits in jewels or something. And it uses jewels to run... What sort of cost or gain is there from it? Does it only accept diamonds and only make topaz? Does it generally create more gems than it uses or less? Maybe it just breaks even. Either way, Having Nazrin around to find where stray shots hit is probably a good idea, or you're just throwing money away.

edited 11th Oct '12 11:32:32 PM by Antimatter625

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 21159 Bocaj, Fri, 12th Oct '12 12:03:08 AM from Here Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Chaotic Lulzy
She mentions in SOPM that she wants to help youkai achieve enlightenment and improve their karma since they are born with lower karma than humans.
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 21160 asterism, Fri, 12th Oct '12 2:12:58 AM Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
This amuses me
That kinda reminds me of this
 21161 Recon 5, Fri, 12th Oct '12 4:06:26 PM from Southeast Asia
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[up][up] If that's the case, wouldn't she be better off dropping her sorcery and going for the Bodhisattva path so she can have a more direct hand in things?

The main issue with Youkai and enlightenment (at least in Gensokyo) is that most of them are too tied to worldly affairs to even care about that stuff.

edited 12th Oct '12 4:07:55 PM by Recon5

 21162 Bocaj, Fri, 12th Oct '12 4:35:34 PM from Here Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Chaotic Lulzy
She has a fair number of people coming to her temple. Even if some of them are just there for the masochistic thrill.
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 21163 Antimatter 625, Fri, 12th Oct '12 4:59:26 PM from my secret place
Baring hearts for years
Actually, I think Byakuren might consider youkai more easily enlightened because they have fewer ties to the earth. I mean, hell, they're in danger of just spontaneously vanishing already because they have so little keeping them around. I mean, Shou likely only still exists because of avatarness.
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 21164 asellus 111, Fri, 12th Oct '12 5:06:25 PM Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Time to A - Rise
I think it's more complicated than that, even if youkai disappear and "die" , they just go to Eiki to be judged and be reborn entering the cycle once more, as birds or worms or whatever their karma is. Youkai simply don't care about this too much, as explained in SOPM.

 21165 Bocaj, Fri, 12th Oct '12 5:18:05 PM from Here Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Chaotic Lulzy
Not as birds or worms unless they improve their karma. The youkai are below the animal realm in the ladder.

If Byakuren works hard with them they might get to end up as worms.

edited 12th Oct '12 5:18:21 PM by Bocaj

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 21166 Antimatter 625, Fri, 12th Oct '12 5:29:50 PM from my secret place
Baring hearts for years
Ah, you're probably right. I was thinking that Byakuren hoped to enlighten them (using their relatively unattached lives and extremely long lives) so much that they basically skipped worms and humans and went straight for the gold, so to speak.

[up]I suspect she leaves the part about "And if you succeed, you get to be a slug!" out of her sermons/whatevers.

edited 12th Oct '12 5:30:35 PM by Antimatter625

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 21167 Otherarrow, Fri, 12th Oct '12 5:31:08 PM from the Moon Cell Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Hakunon's Strange Quest
[up][up]What about youkai based on animals? Does being really old mean you have to suffer a karma penalty?

 21168 asterism, Fri, 12th Oct '12 5:31:44 PM Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
This amuses me
Well, living too long is sinful.
 21169 Pulse, Fri, 12th Oct '12 5:35:10 PM from Yaddayaddaville Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Enough of that
Artificially extending your lifespan has negative effects on karma, but you just happening to live a long time because you took care of yourself does not.
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 21170 asellus 111, Fri, 12th Oct '12 6:00:03 PM Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Time to A - Rise
Well Kasen explained the problem about humans prolonging their life span[1], don't know if this principle also affects the Youkai.

edited 12th Oct '12 6:01:38 PM by asellus111

 21171 Shiroimahotsukai, Sat, 13th Oct '12 4:59:32 AM from I'm certainly Somewhere
White Mage with a Twist
Might it apply to a youkai who joined the tradition of fighting off the Shinigami who came to reap them?

edited 13th Oct '12 5:00:04 AM by Shiroimahotsukai

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 21172 Recon 5, Sat, 13th Oct '12 9:24:43 PM from Southeast Asia
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Being able to fight off your assigned reaper is a special skillset that requires (among other things) ascetic living and a degree of enlightenment. It doesn't seem to be doable with regular danmaku because reaping isn't (as far as I know) covered by the spellcard rules or any of the metaphysical laws that Youkai usually break.

 21173 Enlong, Sat, 13th Oct '12 9:33:40 PM from The Underground Facility Relationship Status: is commanded toŚ WANK!
Court Dragon
I can't remember, why do the reapers go after celestials? If they're in Heaven, then job done, right?
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 21174 Otherarrow, Sat, 13th Oct '12 9:37:06 PM from the Moon Cell Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Hakunon's Strange Quest
...I am not sure really. I think I recall reading somewhere that Celestials weren't "truly" enlightened but were just hermits who lived in the clouds, but I have no idea where I heard this.

Anyway, I do think it's a similar reason to why reapers go after hermits, to test that they remain enlightened?

Of course, since you can be sent to Heaven after dying once you've been enlightened, you can die, be sent to Heaven...and die again due to reaper shenanigans.

I'll be honest, I don't know how it works.

Maybe it's just to weed out folks like Tenshi who "cheated" to get in?

edited 13th Oct '12 9:37:51 PM by Otherarrow

 21175 asellus 111, Sat, 13th Oct '12 9:41:35 PM Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Time to A - Rise
Well the whole deal about Shinigamis reaping your soul is a lie according to Komachi, also enlightenment is different than just becoming a celestian...it's basically getting out of the cycle of death and rebirth, that even the gods are trapped.

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