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The New Touhou Character Alternate Interpretation Compendium!:

 6576 asterism, Mon, 1st Aug '11 10:57:39 AM Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
This amuses me
Clarste, PLEASE, he's backed down. You don't need to pursue this any further. Please let's just discuss Remilia with good nature and gregariousness.
 6577 Clarste, Mon, 1st Aug '11 11:08:04 AM Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Three Steps
Is backing down relevant? This is about (fictional) facts, not the people arguing them. Honestly, I'm not even paying attention to who I'm talking to here, I'm just responding to the words I see in front of me. The facts exist regardless of whether or not anyone is arguing against them. It's not even off-topic since it's my interpretation of Lunar Capital stuff, and of course we're always free to discuss older topics at will.

I felt like adding something about Remilia here just to be polite, but all I can think of is the fact that she went to the moon. Um... she's the kind of person who can know she's being manipulated but not care as long as she also get what she wants?

edited 1st Aug '11 11:12:08 AM by Clarste

 6578 Horselesshorseman, Mon, 1st Aug '11 11:08:57 AM from Everywhere and Nowhere
M. Poleon
Yes, Remilia.

While looking through quotes to add to my Overview Notes, I noticed that Remi is much more childish in the fighting games.

In I a MP she keeps yelling at people to "OBEY ME!", and in SWR she's just playing around the entire time.

In IN and her initial appearance, she's quick witted and determined. Worth noting is the former take place at daytime, except for the final battles, and the latter take place at night.

I thought that was interesting.
I have no horse, and I must ride. I accomplish unlockments.
pirate girl
wild mass guessThe Moon we all know IRL is a fake except for the phaseswild mass guess

(This, in turn, would mean that Eirin's moon in IN is a fake of a fake)

now then, less Moonbitch moar Scarlet Devil.

 6580 Otherarrow, Mon, 1st Aug '11 11:15:55 AM from the Moon Cell Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Master?
Oh lordy, there is Alternate Character Interpretation of Remilia within canon!

Maybe Remilia is more playful during the day, but knows she has to be serious during her "usual hours"?

EDIT:Nevermind. I feel bad about whoring. Blood is amazing!

edited 1st Aug '11 11:32:52 AM by Otherarrow

 6581 asterism, Mon, 1st Aug '11 11:18:25 AM Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
This amuses me
Except parts of Ia MP take place at night. Perhaps she's more serious when she's causing an Incident? And yes, she's causing an incident in IN, she's stopping the sunrise.
 6582 Horselesshorseman, Mon, 1st Aug '11 11:21:14 AM from Everywhere and Nowhere
M. Poleon
Hmmm... yes. It appears I got that backwards. The final battles of I a MP take place during Remi's bedtime. She even says so.

I don't think she was intending to cause an incident in IN, I think she just wanted the moon back.

edited 1st Aug '11 11:21:24 AM by Horselesshorseman

I have no horse, and I must ride. I accomplish unlockments.
 6583 Clarste, Mon, 1st Aug '11 11:23:10 AM Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Three Steps
I don't see much difference between her lines in EOSD and IAMP. In both she's just being arrogant and overbearing, except in IAMP she's also in a hurry, which is more of a circumstantial thing than a character thing. Reading through the translations though, her lines are all considerably more boring than I had remembered.

 6584 Horselesshorseman, Mon, 1st Aug '11 11:27:10 AM from Everywhere and Nowhere
M. Poleon
Well, that would mean only SWR has her acting differently. Which is the only one that takes place in the day.

I don't really have a point here.

I just thought it was interesting.
I have no horse, and I must ride. I accomplish unlockments.
 6585 Bocaj, Mon, 1st Aug '11 11:33:39 AM from Here Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Chaotic Lulzy
Internet arguments aside since I'm sure we'll get right back on that next time we officially discuss the Moon, I liked Otherarrow's Remilia write-up. It didn't have much to it but it was interesting.

There are differences between Gensokyo and the Moon Capital. They are not in the same situation. That is all there is to say about that.
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 6586 Fawriel, Mon, 1st Aug '11 11:37:15 AM from the bottom of my heart Relationship Status: If it's you, it's okay
dead but happy
You know, people keep saying that Remilia has all the vampire weaknesses but crosses, but last I checked, she can enter people's houses without being invited in, right?

Also, Jesus Christ Clarste what is up with you lately.

Well, let's try to finally respond to some stuff. In CONFUSE-O-VISION!

Have we discussed Priere yet?
Seems to me like a Draco in Leather Pants power fantasy.

And here's the Beethoven piece.
Sounds pretty PATHETIC Huh, cool. Though the only part I recognize is like one second at the beginning.

The Small Vampire Noblewoman
You know, that actually made me smile quite a bit. Took a while to get started, but you are actually not bad at all at writing slice-of-life stuff. Sanae's appearance was funny, Flandre was funny and adorable, and other stuff, too. I also happily noticed some actual continuity between your write-ups, which I think is the first time I see that in a write-up that is not mine. Though I have to wonder, wasn't the mansion in France? And don't Maribel and Renko live in the future? Then why was Sakuya there and how can she tell Reimu about it now? Or am I mixing something up here?

The fandom has done some very not nice things to Remilia. No, I'm not talking about that, obviously. We won't be going into that at all in this thread hopefully.
Bocaj, darling, the quality of this post is good enough for a write-up. Why is it not one?

Oh lordy, there is Alternate Character Interpretation of Remilia within canon!
I'm always a little mystified by this idea. If a character acts differently in different situations, as long as it's consistent with their basic characterization, it only makes them more three-dimensional, doesn't it?

(I know you were exaggerating for humor, but still!)

I always figured that, since Remilia is about ten-ish and Flandre's 5 years younger, that Flandre was 5 when she was turned. In fact, the separation in ages is the main reason why I go for the "turned" theory.
Wait, wait, there's no way Flandre is 5. That is too young! Far too young!

Actually, Remilia and Flandre look to me as if they're about the same age, so that actually speaks for them being born as vampires. They were born 5 years apart, but stopped aging at the same point in their respective development.

Still trying to develop a vampire theory that makes sense with everything we know...

Drink Up!
I have to admit, I found this kind of hard to follow. This might have to do with how replying to this thread is taking so long my eyes and head are starting to hurt. So I guess the lesson here is to always write your stories with a structure simple enough for a drunk retard to follow. Yes. The idea is cute, though. But does it really count as a write-up for Remilia?

Makes me smile that the nickname "Patches" for Patchouli is catching on, though!

In any case, as long as one is making up a source of their vampirism, it's not unreasonable to assume that they started out looking older and then de-aged in a Byakuren-esque fashion when they were transformed.
I would assume that Byakuren didn't really de-age, but rather just gained healthy new skin and a healthy new body on top of her previous skeleton. Something like that. "De-aging" is just... weird.

Regarding Remilia's treatment of Sakuya and others... The way I see it she's just extremely possessive. Those are her servants or her friends, and to mistreat them is by extension to mistreat her stuff. And she's certainly not going to mistreat her own stuff. Greed is after all pretty much the same thing as love, for most purposes. So she loves Sakuya and Patchouli and Meiling and all the fairies, but that's just an extension of fundamental feeling of ownership and duty. The master of the household has responsibilities, you know? It's her household so it damn well better be the best household ever.
Hm. Be interesting to write a Remilia like this who's still a sympathetic character. In a sense, that characterization seems like a description of a lot of real human beings, except from a very cynical perspective, doesn't it?

Incidentally, this seems to extend outside of her household too. She has no enemies: she only has allies she hasn't recruited yet.
I love this.

They do. I wouldn't be surprised either way. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody did that on purpose, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it were just a happy coincidence. A pair of western European vampire-children don't seem like the natural place to draw parallels to Nordic mythology.
I don't think ZUN really cares about whether his symbolism is appropriate.

It wouldn't surprise me if it was entirely intentional. I imagine that ZUN reads Wikipedia articles and stuff on all sorts of mythology and other subjects as bedtime reading, and keeps a massive notebook for everything that might work as a spellcard or character design element.

In other news, the lower level version of "Spear the Gungnir" is called "Heartbreak".
Hearts pump blood, vampires are romantic, and it sounds cool.

PS: Thanks for the inspiration, Otherarrow. Thanks to your little running gag there, I now think of Rin as Reimu's imaginary friend.
in spite of it all
 6587 Bocaj, Mon, 1st Aug '11 11:50:24 AM from Here Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Chaotic Lulzy
Bocaj, darling, the quality of this post is good enough for a write-up. Why is it not one?

Because I've been expecting more out of my write-ups which is why I haven't been doing them as often* . If you want I can put some bolded text on top of it even if I'm not quite content with it as a write-up as opposed to a random collection of thoughts.
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 6588 Otherarrow, Mon, 1st Aug '11 11:55:07 AM from the Moon Cell Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Master?
[up][up]Thank you! About the continuity, the original opening had Hatate flying off vowing to made Remilia look bad in her report. (and hitting her head on the way out in the process) I cut it and rewrote the opening because I felt it would seem to random for people who didn't read the Meiling write up. Maybe that is related to how it took a while to get started?

As for Mary and the mansion, it seems that when she visits Gensoukyou in her dreams she shows up in the past, not the present (which would be our future), as shown with her note in Perfect Memento. I always thought she showed up and visited the mansion after it already arrived in Gensoukyou. In case you didn't catch it, the whole thing is a reference to an early part of Changeability of Strange Dream.

edited 1st Aug '11 11:55:15 AM by Otherarrow

 6589 Clarste, Mon, 1st Aug '11 11:55:58 AM Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Three Steps
Also, Jesus Christ Clarste what is up with you lately.

Don't talk to me about the moon.

Maybe I'm not getting enough sleep or something.

 6590 Bocaj, Mon, 1st Aug '11 12:01:08 PM from Here Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Chaotic Lulzy
Well, the word lunatic does stem from the moon.

Make sure you don't sleep with the Moon's light on your face. It leads to insanity and werewolfism.
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 6591 raigakuren, Mon, 1st Aug '11 12:06:35 PM from SHAFT land
B Villain
[up] and werehakutakuism...but I'll save that for when Keine is discussed.

On topic: Remilia she has a swimming pool in a library. She heard you wanted books in your pool, so she put your pool in your books.
That awkward moment where Kyoro is one of Satan's Generals.
 6592 Otherarrow, Mon, 1st Aug '11 12:08:02 PM from the Moon Cell Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Master?
...How does that make sense? Insane Vampire Logic or what?

I'll let her get away with it because blood is amazing.

 6593 Bocaj, Mon, 1st Aug '11 12:11:14 PM from Here Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Chaotic Lulzy
I think she just told Patchy she wanted a pool and Patchy didn't feel like leaving the library to get it set up so she just put it where the launch pad was since it was already a big clear space.
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 6594 raigakuren, Mon, 1st Aug '11 12:11:23 PM from SHAFT land
B Villain
Apparently, Remilia's name is an Italian name.

-insert pasta joke he-NO I DON'T WANT ANY STUPID HETALIA REFERENCES!
That awkward moment where Kyoro is one of Satan's Generals.
 6595 Durazno, Mon, 1st Aug '11 12:12:32 PM from Academia Relationship Status: Robosexual
All business!
I wonder if someone could be a Weremoonbunny.

 6596 raigakuren, Mon, 1st Aug '11 12:13:50 PM from SHAFT land
B Villain
Considering how breeding apparently works in Gensokyou it's a possibility.
That awkward moment where Kyoro is one of Satan's Generals.
 6597 Clarste, Mon, 1st Aug '11 12:26:57 PM Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Three Steps
She wanted a pool because she was impressed by the oceans on the moon and Gensokyo has no oceans. Dunno why the lake doesn't count, unless she filled her pool with saltwater. Although apparently it was winter at the time, so maybe she was just too impatient to wait for beach weather?

edit: Or rather, she can't go outside during beach weather. Yeah, that makes more sense.

edited 1st Aug '11 12:28:05 PM by Clarste

 6598 raigakuren, Mon, 1st Aug '11 12:28:19 PM from SHAFT land
B Villain
I thought she would ask Patchouli to use her water spellcards. One can only imagine what Patchouli was thinking of when she helped Remilia with this idea.
That awkward moment where Kyoro is one of Satan's Generals.
 6599 Clarste, Mon, 1st Aug '11 12:30:16 PM Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Three Steps
Probably the same thing she was thinking while building the rocket. "Sure, why not?"

edited 1st Aug '11 12:30:23 PM by Clarste

 6600 raigakuren, Mon, 1st Aug '11 12:31:05 PM from SHAFT land
B Villain
Eh, probably considering she has magic to waterproof her books. Of course, for the swimming part...
That awkward moment where Kyoro is one of Satan's Generals.
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