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Rebuild of Evangelion:

It has finally arrived.

I managed to watch a downloaded copy today. The first one: You Are (Not) Alone 1.0, is essentially a reworking of the first few episodes with some content twisted around. From what I've heard, however, things get really, really different starting with the second movie.

Anyone else managed to see this? Thoughts, comments, epileptic trees?

  • A bit of trivia to spark the interest of my fellow nerds/geeks: this is not being produced by Studio Gainax. Oh, no. But, Gainax employees do make up a large part of the production team. Anno has started his own independent studio called Chara (I think that's how it's spelled), the name of which is supposedly based on the Greek word for "hope." I find this to be incredibly disturbing.
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I'd seen this some weeks back. My understanding was that it was the series over again, plus meshing in elements from the movies (which I never saw). Trying to get one all-inclusive continuity.

So Kaworu being on the moon at the end caught me by surprise.
"I have run 10 miles a day, every day, for 18 years. That's 65,000 miles. A third of the way to the moon. My goal is to run to the moon."
I found a 2.0 trailer.

I know a lot of people are going to hate me for saying this, but I really hope this Rebuild thing has a happy ending. Sure, it goes against what people expect of Evangelion and I know a lot of people despise Shinji for being the emotional train wreck that he is, but God help me if I don't want him to find some modicum of self-respect and happiness. I also want him to get laid. (I know he's 14, but I don't care. He really, really needs to get laid.)

And yeah, they've seriously changed some stuff around in this Rebuild: it is definitely NOT the series over again. Anno would slap you if he heard you say that.
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 4 ccoa, Sun, 3rd Aug '08 8:31:15 PM from the Sleeping Giant
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I don't know about happy, but I'd love an ending that doesn't make me say "what the hell just happened?" Something a tad less depressing would be nice, too.

It'd be nice if they were a little gentler on Shinji this time around, the poor kid deserves it. And a slightly nicer ending for Asuka would be good, too. >.<
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The Fool wrote:

Check again - all of the footage in that video is from 1.0.
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 6 Moose, Tue, 19th Aug '08 11:19:51 AM from The Solo Ship
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I'm probably not the only Evangelion fan to question whether Rebuild is entirely necessary...but I'm definitely not the only Evangelion fan who damn near shat themselves with how awesome the first film was. The moment it clicked for me was when Shinji was blow away by the U.N's hoverjet-thingies as they attack Sachiel and that one piece of background music started up (I think it's called 'Angel Attack' on the OST). My inner fanboy was just screaming "It's Eva! Back! Again!"

...But, yeah, from the looks of things the next movie is going to seriously twist things up judging by the end-of film trailer. Two new Evangelions, a mysterious meganekko watching shit hit the fan, and Naked Moon Kaworu, for the fangirls.

Should be fun.
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I haven't seen Rebuild 1, but I've seen the entire original series (Director's Cut versions of 21-24) and Death(True)2 and End Of.

Could someone please tell me whether Rebuild is them saying, "let's redo Evangelion from scratch and actually make it a story of plot rather than characterization"? That would be an interesting idea, though I'm not yet sure whether I'd like it.
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 8 Moose, Thu, 21st Aug '08 2:06:41 AM from The Solo Ship
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Glenn Magus Harvey wrote:
" Could someone please tell me whether Rebuild is them saying, "let's redo Evangelion from scratch and actually make it a story of plot rather than characterization"? That would be an interesting idea, though I'm not yet sure whether I'd like it.

That seems to be what they're doing. A lot of elements from the series that were never fully explained or left ambiguous are flat-out stated in Rebuild, and they cut out quite a lot of Shinji's angst about leaving NERV in favour of a bigger, badder Operation Yashima.
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How is characterization? Is there still a major focus on characterization and character interaction? Or is this going the way of becoming just another super robot show?
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 10 Moose, Fri, 22nd Aug '08 6:28:50 PM from The Solo Ship
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Glenn Magus Harvey wrote:
"How is characterization? Is there still a major focus on characterization and character interaction? Or is this going the way of becoming just another super robot show?

There's less of a focus, given the reduced running time, but it's still a pretty major part of it, and there's definitely much more of a focus on character than say, Getter Robo or something similiar. The only characters who really suffer are the more minor ones, like Kensuke and Toji, but they never really needed much fleshing out anyway, and they don't really do much justice to Shinji's 'little stroll' and subsequent return that made up episode 4 of the original series, but otherwise they've done as good a job as possible with so much to cover in such a short time.
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 12 Recon 5, Fri, 20th Feb '09 5:35:37 PM from Southeast Asia
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You can't fix that, really.

@Charlatan:

You know Draco in Leather Pants right? Same with Rei. She can be fucking creepy and we'll still have people lusting after her in spite of it.

(Personally, I find her extremely creepy and slightly apealing because of it. That might be because I find such characters attractive in general. Rei is the only one of such characters that creeps me out, so she's definetly more creepy than normal characters.)
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A little coherence towards the end might be nice. I've always thought that Evangelion created a monster when it let those last two episodes slide into the vague zone. It gave every lazy anime that came after it the permission to substitute an actual clamax for symbolism and mindfuckery and leave everything else to rot in some supplementary article somewhere in some magazine that will never be translated or released here.

But i'm not bitter.

Also, it's always been my super secret wish to see Koji survive the Unit 03 launch, not be crippled, AND have an Eva with stretchy plastic man arms. It just appeals to me.

Math guy
There's very little actually added to 1.0. The main things are the scene where Misato shows Lilith to Shinji and the final scene.
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"It gave every lazy anime that came after it the permission to substitute an actual clamax for symbolism and mindfuckery"

Well, somehow the symbolism wasn't lost on me, and while I didn't get everything, I got enough that I didn't feel mindfucked by it (whereas I did feel mindfucked (and downer'd) by End Of).

I'm still trying to figure out why everyone else seems to think the opposite...

edited Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:02:15 by GlennMagusHarvey

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It doesn't matter that the symbolism wasn't lost on you in the last couple episodes. It just matters that the symbolism and Shinji talking was all there was. The way I see it they just stopped the series in the middle of the plot and gave us a vague Info Dump over a clip show episode. At least Eo E actually finished the plot before it got weird, and offered up a denoument afterwards.

But hey. I have a complicated relationship with Evangelion. I hate the psudopsychology(I understand it fine, so don't bother explaining, I just don't like it), slow, Leave the Camera Running pacing in places, and the aforementioned license it gave Lazy anime to copy all the things I hated about it without bothering to copy out what was good. On the other hand when it was good it was SO GOOD, The Giant robot fights were meticulousely animated, resolved themselves in interesting ways, and both Evas and Angels were masterpeices in Mecha design. When any character actually DID something they proved competent and more than a little heroic (When they don't fail spectacularly).

In my view, when you got to the ending, it was like you were given one of those chocolate wonderballs with the prize inside. The entire first part of the series is delicious layers chocolate, and then you get to the inside you find out the prize was a slab of unflavored, uncooked tofu. I still got delicious chocolate, but I still felt betrayed somehow (Which was apparently the point, so Good job Eva guys).

Anyway, I've run this argument way too many times to do it again. Rebuild of Evangelion is apparently a brand new horizon, so I'm excited.

edited Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:56:08 by DotDotDot!

"and then you get to the inside you find out the prize was a slab of unflavored, uncooked tofu."

Perhaps I opened up a chocolate wonderball expecting a toy or redeem-for-toy redemption token, and I didn't get that, but rather, (I feel) I got a clue to the meaning of life. That sort of profound redirection.
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And then I ask what was so meaningful about a kid contemplating his navel over a bunch pictures of Psychedelic religious imagery and exploding crosses, Then you explain your rationale for finding meaning in the imagery and in the Subject of Shinji's speech, then I remind you that Anno chose most of the imagery because it looks pretty and not because it actually meant anything, then you remind me that it doesn't matter what the creator meant if the audience found profound meaning, then I make personal insults about your taste in anime, then you make personal insults about my taste in anime, then I start typing in all caps, then you start typing in all caps, then someone posts fifty hitlers and the thread dies.

There. Argument over, I'm sorry I brought it up.

Now, has anybody read much of the Manga? I wonder if they plan to stick close to or borrow from the Manga, since they already seem to be introducing Kaworu earlier (something the Manga did, and very well) it seems it might be that way.

Evangelion, to me, doesn't age well. That's not to say I've rewatched the original series, but as more time fills in between me watching it and me in the present, it gets less shiny.

Then again, I saw it after having already been through other, similar Japanese-produced Mind Screws. I didn't think it was that great, but it held my attention and I considered it entertaining. Some parts of the premise seemed more thought-provoking than others, but they didn't explore those. Also, when they chuck in symbols just for the hell of having symbols around, it does leave a sour taste in one's mouth.

Then again, anime in general has become (to me, anyway) all premise.
exploding crosses
Dude, there were exploding crosses? Righteous. I need to watch Evangelion again...

edited Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:28:37 by Zephid

"I have run 10 miles a day, every day, for 18 years. That's 65,000 miles. A third of the way to the moon. My goal is to run to the moon."
"And then I ask what was so meaningful about a kid contemplating his navel over a bunch pictures of Psychedelic religious imagery and exploding crosses, Then blah blah blah blah blah blah then I start typing in all caps, then you start typing in all caps, then someone posts fifty hitlers and the thread dies."

Hahaha. Well, actually, I wasn't trying to argue. I've still been trying to figure out why I like Evangelion, or at least appreciate it.

My saying that I found a clue to the meaning of life inside the proverbial chocolate ball was meant to be a to-each-his-own statement. In fact, I usually justify it in that when I was watching Evangelion, some things in real life seemed to resonate very much with some of the themes of the show—such as crossing a threshold from boyhood to manhood, as well as difficulties of people relating to each other. I suspect that the reason some people who watch Evangelion and don't feel thus "attached" to it may be greatly due to this sort of "resonance".

(Then again, I've had a record of finding "resonance" between whatever's happening in real life and nearly any long, epic, serious plot. Or even plot element.)

And yes, there are explosions in the shape of Christian crosses.
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For the record, Rebuild is introducing Kaworu way earlier than even the manga did. Kaworu didn't show up in the manga until, what, volume 10? I haven't gotten that far. The equivalent of two or three anime episodes earlier. Rebuild gave him his scene the equivalent of seventeen episodes earlier (end of 6 versus beginning of 24).
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I must admit I enjoyed the last two episodes as they were essentially "Cognitive Behavioural Therapy for dummies". Seeing as I spent a great deal of my childhood and adolescence as a guinea pig for a whole bunch of experimental CBT therapies, I found it very interesting.

But frankly, that's an extremely specific circumstance so I can see why people were upset that they didn't get something more genre appropriate. (Technically speaking, doesn't TTGL make up for that? I dunno because I can't be bothered watching that, Death Note or Harumi whatever since you apparently need to murder people to get the DV Ds of those series right now)
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I can see why people were upset that they didn't get something more genre appropriate.

I don't think it had anything to do with genre. Things had been going on. Eva had a plot. It was going somewhere. There were mysteries that had been built up. And then it brought all that to a screeching halt and had everyone talk about Shinji's psychological issues. Does that kind of ending work with any genre? Including Serial Experiments Lain? The End of Evangelion at least had climax, resolution, denouement. (It's not without its own much-argued-over issues, but it at least has properly structured plot.)

How much can you leave out, and what can you leave out, before it ceases to be artistic and becomes simply bad storytelling? People have argued about such questions for...oh, I'd say almost thirteen years now.
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Given the how increasingly bizarre the Angels were getting, what the Hell would the climactic finale battle been like?

(Note: I've only made it to episode 16 in the main series.)
 
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