XKCD: It's more than a comic:

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Wholesome Crossdresser
I don't get why they have to be such jerks about this, though. They don't like the comic. Some people do. Who cares?

Because dislike, especially vehement dislike, is seen as a sign of dignity, maturity and taste, while liking something is seen as childish, naive and stupid. (It is specially the case when hatred can be framed as snark, jokes or wit; people will say "Oh, I don't think X is that bad, but just look at how funny he is when he says it is the equivalent of skullfucking babies.) Hence, people feel much more safe when posting bile on the internet than when posting honey, and can afford to be much more passionate about it.

Erik
AXTE INCAL AXTUCE MUN
Faw: PS: Asher... you don't suppose that Willy224 dude is for real, do you? I sure hope not. ._.;
Willy 224 acted like a transparent strawman of the Munroe-worshiping sycophants that Lost Man mistook us for. Also, Willy 224 stopped showing up the instant L-man was banninated. I think it's safe to say Willy was a sock puppet.

edited 4th Sep '09 6:51:47 AM by MetaFour

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This thread has gotten very silly very quickly.
Sakamoto demands an explanation for this shit.
"Because dislike, especially vehement dislike, is seen as a sign of dignity, maturity and taste, while liking something is seen as childish, naive and stupid. (It is specially the case when hatred can be framed as snark, jokes or wit; people will say "Oh, I don't think X is that bad, but just look at how funny he is when he says it is the equivalent of skullfucking babies.) Hence, people feel much more safe when posting bile on the internet than when posting honey, and can afford to be much more passionate about it."

But you are saying why you don't like something (criticism), which is therefore criticism! I think some people do not like some things, and some people do like those things. Both types of people like to say their opinions. That's all there is. You can suck it if you think you're opinion is the only one with any honor in it.

Inkblot: WHM is a running joke. That's entirely facetious.

"I don't get why they have to be such jerks about this, though. They don't like the comic. Some people do. Who cares?"

Some things to consider, by someone who says it better than I can: http://plover.net/~bonds/stupidresponses.html#ignore http://plover.net/~bonds/stupidresponses.html#endof http://plover.net/~bonds/stupidresponses.html#serious
This guy has already said he is just interested in causing trouble. Don't waste your time on him.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty

731 Tzetze4th Sep 2009 08:29:44 AM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
DUMB

This post was thumped by the Eldritch Flyswatter of Horror
Chaotic Greedy
From Asher's link:
"Constructive criticism" is surely the worst mass hallucination since consumer capitalism, or the resurrection of our Lord, or the Democratic Party.
Woah. This guy is a winner!
"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
Wholesome Crossdresser
But you are saying why you don't like something (criticism), which is therefore criticism!

Fwiw, criticism doesn't mean saying you don't like something. It means studying something critically. That people mistake a clear study for dissing something is actually connected to the matter.

But yes, I did say I didn't like people dissing things, which can most certainly be seen as a diss. The thing is: why is people so often dissing things instead of ignoring them? Because dissing things in general is rewarded, whereas praising things (unless you are preaching to the choir) is not. Of course people can say that things are wrong - but I question the need to spew bile at things that are extremely easily avoided. Which, btw, bile-spewing isn't, since it is a common pursuit, among other things, on the internet and during the lunchbreak.

The actual qualities of XKCD doesn't enter into it. I have no strong opinions on the comic and doesn't read it. I was speaking on the habits of bile-spewing in general.

Erik
I'm not sure I buy into your differentiating between a diss and criticism. "the act of passing judgment as to the merits of anything" sounds like what you did, but whatever.

"Because dissing things in general is rewarded, whereas praising things (unless you are preaching to the choir) is not."

I don't get this - I don't see criticism be generally more accepted than praise by people with neutral opinions. I see praise all the time on the internet, and people agree very frequently. This thread is a good example.

"Of course people can say that things are wrong - but I question the need to spew bile at things that are extremely easily avoided."

No need, just fun.
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Nope nope, too silly, move along.

Incidentally, saying good things about something is still criticism. So's saying how it could be improved.
Sakamoto demands an explanation for this shit.
Wholesome Crossdresser
Criticism literally means to pick apart something and study it closely. It does in no way imply saying that something is bad - but it might.

I guess there is an agree to disagree around, but I have found the opposite: that vile hatred and bile-puking are seen as sign of being smart, according to the theory that you have to actually use your brain to not just fall for what presumably isn't good, and that saying nasty things can be seen as wit. Meanwhile, the same unreasonable positivism is generally the sign of a naive moron.

As for fun, I don't diss things because it is fun; I only diss things (like too much dissing) because I generally get annoyed by it/dislike it/hate it with a burning fury of a thousand suns.

Erik
"Criticism literally means to pick apart something and study it closely. It does in no way imply saying that something is bad - but it might."

crit⋅i⋅cism  [krit-uh-siz-uhm] –noun 1. the act of passing judgment as to the merits of anything.

"As for fun, I don't diss things because it is fun; I only diss things (like too much dissing) because I generally get annoyed by it/dislike it/hate it with a burning fury of a thousand suns."

But you draw some kind of enjoyment from "dissing" (or whatever you want to call it). Or else you wouldn't do it, because it would be as boring as watching paint dry (or possible even actively unpleasurable).
Not Actually Indie
But you draw some kind of enjoyment from "dissing" (or whatever you want to call it). Or else you wouldn't do it, because it would be as boring as watching paint dry (or possible even actively unpleasurable).

That doesn't follow. If you hit your thumb with a hammer, you don't yell and huddle around your damaged digit because you enjoy it. Insults and complaints can simply be a symptom of dissatisfaction that you feel you have to get off your chest.
...eventually, we will reach a maximum entropy state where nobody has their own socks or underwear, or knows who to ask to get them back.
739 Oscredwin4th Sep 2009 10:28:52 AM from The Frozen East
Cold.
Well you do curse after hitting your thumb with a hammer because it's fun. It takes you from a -12 fun level to a -8 (neurological tests I don't have a cite for have shown this).

(Just being a little criticalevil grin)
Sex, Drugs, and Rationality
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O-ho, a funny!
Sakamoto demands an explanation for this shit.
"That doesn't follow. If you hit your thumb with a hammer, you don't yell and huddle around your damaged digit because you enjoy it. Insults and complaints can simply be a symptom of dissatisfaction that you feel you have to get off your chest."

I think you are trying to say that criticism is cathartic. I would counter that everyone loves a good helping of schadenfreude, though that is not quite the right word. But you know what I mean. You suck, xkcd sucks, everyone sucks. Can't you just feel it, surging through your veins? Give in to the dark side.
742 Tzetze4th Sep 2009 11:46:26 AM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
"As always, I'm reminded of an Onion article."

And yet in your mocking me, you are just like the man in the article, and just like me. I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together...
744 Tzetze4th Sep 2009 12:08:15 PM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
DUMB
I'm not mocking you, I just think you're acting like an asshole.  * Nice use of The Beatles, though.
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... Huh?

Okay, I'm bored now. Someone tell me when this gets interesting again.
Sakamoto demands an explanation for this shit.
"I'm not mocking you, I just think you're acting like an asshole. * Nice use of The Beatles, though."

Do you really not get my point? Your article points out the silliness of criticizing other people's fun, which you use to -this is the kicker here- criticize my fun. Does that make sense?
747 Tzetze4th Sep 2009 12:17:10 PM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
DUMB
No. It doesn't. I cannot understand this incredibly selfish mindset of yours. Why are you even here? If it's fun to pick apart the comic, fine, do it on that blog. Why bother us? This isn't an xkcd-related forum. Do you even like the rest of the site?
748 Fawriel4th Sep 2009 12:17:55 PM from the bottom of my heart , Relationship Status: If it's you, it's okay
jump to the left
He's not really acting like an asshole, he's just cynical.

Tzetze, do I sense you coming closer and closer to the idealist side of the force? grin
move to the right
749 Tzetze4th Sep 2009 12:19:24 PM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
DUMB
...have I acted cynical? I consider myself an idealist, just one that's not bothered by Offended.
"No. It doesn't."

I don't know which part of my post this refers to. You don't see my point, or you don't think there's an irony/hypocrisy there? Or you don't think that linking to the article was an implicit criticism of my attitude?

"I cannot understand this incredibly selfish mindset of yours. Why are you even here? If it's fun to pick apart the comic, fine, do it on that blog. Why bother us? This isn't an xkcd-related forum. Do you even like the rest of the site?"

Tvtropes is all right. I'll be honest, the tvtropes xkcd hits home, so I try not to visit too much. I just saw something I disagreed with (and irks me in general), so I pointed it out. Others disagreed, so I defended my view. I put it to you that by asking me to stop, you are being selfish by trying to squash my fun.

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