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 6776 Kyler Thatch, Wed, 27th Feb '13 7:10:37 AM Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
literary masochist
Probably at least half of date-reading confusion would be cleared up if nobody wrote the year with only two digits. If I had to hazard a guess.
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 6777 Fighteer, Wed, 27th Feb '13 7:19:35 AM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
I find it hard to believe that there are still people who use 2-digit years. Voluntarily, as opposed to being constrained by a printed form or data entry scheme.

edited 27th Feb '13 7:21:32 AM by Fighteer

 6778 Fuzzy Boots, Wed, 27th Feb '13 7:23:03 AM from Pittsburgh, PA
[up] They're probably the same people who abbreviate June and July as Jun and Jul when not limited to 3 character fields. After all, it's shorter, so it's more efficient...

 6779 Kyler Thatch, Wed, 27th Feb '13 7:33:35 AM Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
literary masochist
But Jun and Jul aren't quite as ambiguous as two-digit year notation tends to be.
It's fortified with what the world wants.
What the world deserves.
 6780 Tangent 128, Wed, 27th Feb '13 7:35:40 AM from Virginia Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
To avoid confusion, I always write the year with 4 digits, and the month textually. Apr/16/2013, 16/Apr/2013, even Apr/2013/16 are gonna be read right that way.

I would use YYYY-MM-DD for filenames if I had any case to. In practice, the only current use I have for name-dated files right now is log rotation, and the logger in question just uses TAI timestamps rather than a human calendar.

edited 27th Feb '13 7:36:00 AM by Tangent128

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 6781 Oh no a Bear, Wed, 27th Feb '13 7:47:53 AM from Exiting, pursued by a...
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I use two digit dates most of the time because I doubt that the vast majority of things I'm dating are going to be super relevant one hundred years from now and I know they weren't relevant one hundred years ago.
Shadowed Philosopher
Yeah, but the issue isn't ambiguity as to whether the year '08' refers to 1908, 2008 or 2108, it's ambiguity as to whether the number '08' represents a month, a day or a year. '2008' is always a year.

Granted, that issue became somewhat less pressing two months ago, and will remain so for another ~88 years.
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 6783 Fighteer, Wed, 27th Feb '13 9:30:23 AM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
I develop database applications. Believe me, it matters when you're trying to convince a computer to interpret a date value properly. For casual interpersonal use, not so much.

 6784 Oh no a Bear, Wed, 27th Feb '13 9:45:15 AM from Exiting, pursued by a...
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And in my experience, my method of writing dates is either forced to comply with a program's preferred formatting or filtered through a human intermediary who I hope translates it so as to prevent misunderstanding. I would probably have a different stance if I was one of those intermediaries, but I'm not so I don't.

edited 27th Feb '13 9:46:47 AM by OhnoaBear

 6785 petersohn, Wed, 27th Feb '13 9:54:09 AM Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Stand aside!
In the US, most people use month-day-year. In most other parts of the world they use day-month-year. This is a huge reason for confusion in itself. At least if a date begins with a 4-digit year, it's pretty clear (I never saw anyone write it year-day-month). But just what 01/02/03 means is just ambiguous.
When I was working in a lab we were told to use the three letter abbreviation for months to prevent confusion. Good idea, but apparently others don't do that. It was a hell of time converting older labels when they used a mix of M/D/Y and D/M/Y depending on the first person to originally label that bag.
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I mainly use ISO dates, except when I relapse to JJ/MM/AAAA.

Now all you have to do is universally adopt 24-hour clocks, rather than associate them with military.
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 6788 Joesolo, Wed, 27th Feb '13 3:48:05 PM Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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I mostly do the standard american MM/DD/YY, but I almost always write out the full year. I like precision.
 6789 Nohbody, Wed, 27th Feb '13 4:20:33 PM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
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When I was in the Navy, about 2 decades ago, they said the preferred date formatting was DD/MMM/YYYY. With the 3 letter month abbreviation, it's a lot more difficult to misunderstand which part of the date is the month and which is the day. (The year speaks for itself, of course.)

On the other hand, although it's not been an issue for me I can see the benefit of YYYYMMDD for computer file names, which sorts a lot better than the alternate arrangements.
 6790 Tam H 70, Wed, 27th Feb '13 5:03:35 PM from 合計虐殺 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
War ALWAYS changes. Man does not.
In the British military, the correct format is 27 FEB 13. Especially in my former employers, the Royal Corps of Signals.
 6791 adam 850, Wed, 27th Feb '13 7:00:09 PM from Springfield.
Speak up!
The reservation system I use at work is based on an old IBM AS/400. My department uses MMDDYY. So, if I want to pull up a sailing on April 9, 2013, I type in "040913". Leading zeroes required. I have heard that the Australia desk uses the three-letter abbreviation for the month, e.g., "09APR13". I don't know how the dates are actually stored in the computer, so it may just be the way the dates are entered and displayed. We never have to deal with reservations older than a year or two or more than 3 years in the future, so the four-digit year is not necessary.

Long story short: in this case, it is easier to use a less precise system of writing dates.
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 6792 Mister C, Wed, 27th Feb '13 7:39:25 PM from roughly over there Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
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I'm always really confused about dates because half the people here use DD/MM/YYYY and the other half use MM/DD/YYYY. It also annoys me to no end, since I have a summer job in a bank where I have to verify the content of AT Ms and one of the things I must check is the dates on cheques. I sometimes get some where people use DD/MM/YYYY in the space labelled MM/DD/YYYY...
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 6793 Ultimately Subjective, Wed, 27th Feb '13 8:53:46 PM from Once, not long ago
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YYYY-MM-DD is a really good format when working with dates.

However it's too clunky for writing in general. It's nothing like how you would read it. 2013, the second month, the 27th day?

I really dislike the American system though. Not ordering smallest to largest or largest to smallest when dealing with numbers is an irritation to me. And before the American date standard changed DD/MM/YYYY wasn't ambiguous at all.

I'd say you're still going to have to be sensitive to context. At the very least ISO is likely to be contradicted by style guides everywhere.

Also according to Wikipedia, YYYYMMDD is allowed.

edited 27th Feb '13 8:55:24 PM by UltimatelySubjective

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Shadowed Philosopher
It's precisely how you'd read a date in Japanese. tongue

I ought to start using YYYY/MM/DD more in contexts other than computers. It just makes more sense.
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 6795 The Inferno, Wed, 27th Feb '13 10:04:49 PM from probably on Earth
|Y| = |X| Add 5
I learned MM/DD/YY in school. Might start trying this YYYY-MM-DD thing though, most of the time I'm writing dates it's either on a paper (in which I have to use the format specified by the writing style, usually "January 1, 1900" or something) or it's a filename, in which case YYYY-MM-DD would sort it.
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 6796 Fighteer, Fri, 1st Mar '13 9:11:31 AM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness

That's not perfectly true. The more you know about computers, the more likely you are to correctly predict what is and is not caused by a virus. The diagram should have a small overlap.

 6797 petersohn, Fri, 1st Mar '13 10:26:12 AM Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Stand aside!
If you are computer savvy and know what a virus can do, you don't say "maybe it has a virus". You either say "it probably/definitely has a virus" or "it is definitely caused by something other than a virus".

Then, you add "either way, you must reinstall it".
Shadowed Philosopher
In any system in which the effect of a virus is a reasonable possibility, yes, that's probably the best option. tongue
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 6799 The Inferno, Fri, 1st Mar '13 3:38:04 PM from probably on Earth
|Y| = |X| Add 5
Yeah, my Network Security teachers have been saying that, because even if you can clean it up, you can't prove that the virus hasn't cleverly hidden something somewhere unless you go over with a finetooth comb. Best to wipe it and restore from the last good back-up (which may take some figuring), takes less time and means the system definitely clean.

edited 1st Mar '13 3:42:29 PM by TheInferno

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 6800 Thnikkafan, Fri, 1st Mar '13 5:03:32 PM from Faroe Islands (not really) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
I think there should be some overlap, but not much. It does seem like 90% of the stuff that people think is caused by viruses is actually caused by malware.
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