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10851 Durazno7th Oct 2012 03:51:22 PM from Academia , Relationship Status: Robosexual
All business!
Because he heard we liked heresy?
10852 CountDorku7th Oct 2012 03:58:08 PM from the Fire Nation colonies , Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
I'M PROTECTED 'CAUSE I MADE THIS HAT
Heh. The Imperium of Memes.

"Yo dawg, we heard you liked heresy so we burned you at the stake."

"I TOLD U MAN! I TOLD U ABOUT DEFILERS BRO"

"And not a single Arco-Flagellant was given that day."
10853 Night7th Oct 2012 03:58:13 PM from PSNS Intrepid , Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Bring it on! I'm right here!
[up][up]Do we EVER!

Actually I wonder how common it is among the Word Bears to go heretic from Lorgar's particular brand of religion. Somewhat, I'd guess.

edited 7th Oct '12 3:58:28 PM by Night

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[up] Heh, Word Bears.
10855 CountDorku7th Oct 2012 04:25:12 PM from the Fire Nation colonies , Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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[up] "DC 20: Word Bears attack with their claws and dictionaries."
10856 Augustine7th Oct 2012 04:29:12 PM from the Church on the hill , Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
My King
Word Bear lore!
10857 Night7th Oct 2012 05:26:52 PM from PSNS Intrepid , Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Bring it on! I'm right here!
[up][up][up]You know you've all been thinking it.
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10858 Durazno7th Oct 2012 09:43:39 PM from Academia , Relationship Status: Robosexual
10859 MarqFJA7th Oct 2012 10:12:52 PM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
I thought it was the Alpha Legion that used Imperial battle cries and whatnot to troll Imperial enemies.
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
10860 Nomic8th Oct 2012 01:39:24 AM from beyond the Void
Exitus Acta Probat
Death to the enemies of the False Emperor!
10861 Neo_Crimson8th Oct 2012 02:40:34 PM from behind your lines.
Your army sucks.
Welp, here's my crack at a 2000 points Khorne/Iron Warriors list:

-HQ-
  • Chaos Lord (185)
    • Mark of Khorne
    • Juggernaut
    • Murder Sword
    • Sigil of Corruption
    • Gift of Mutation
    • Veteran of the Long War

  • Warpsmith (150)
    • Sigil of Corruption
    • Gift of Mutation
    • Veteran of the Long War

-Troops-

  • Chaos Space Marines x10 (279)
    • Mark of Khorne
    • 2 Meltaguns
    • 1 Power Fist
    • Bolters + CC Ws
    • Rhino w/ Combi-Plasma
    • Veterans of the Long War

  • Chaos Space Marines x9 (260)
    • Mark of Khorne
    • 2 Meltaguns
    • 1 Power Fist
    • Bolters + CC Ws
    • Rhino w/ Combi-Plasma
    • Veterans of the Long War
    • Joined by Warpsmith

  • Chaos Cultists x 25 (138)
    • Autoguns
    • 1 Heavy Stubber

  • Chaos Cultists x 25 (138)
    • Autoguns
    • 1 Heavy Stubber

-Fast Attack-

  • Chaos Bikers x7 (251)
    • Mark of Khorne
    • Power Fist
    • 2x Melta gun
    • Veterans of the Long War
    • Joined by Chaos Lord

-Heavy Support-

  • Chaos Havocs x5 (195)
    • Mark of Nurgle
    • 4x Missile Launchers (Frag, Krak, Flakk)

  • Forgefiend (200)
    • Hades Autocannons
    • Ectoplasma Gun

  • Forgefiend (200)
    • Hades Autocannons
    • Ectoplasma Gun

TOTAL: 1996 points

edited 8th Oct '12 2:44:57 PM by Neo_Crimson

Sorry, I can't hear you from my FLYING METAL BOX!
Haven't had the chance to check out the new Chaos Codex yet, but I've heard Forgefiends are a points-trap, and that Havocs are better choices.

Obviously, this is like, third- or maybe even fourth-hand information.
10863 God_of_Awesome8th Oct 2012 04:19:19 PM , Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Fiery Hair Explosion
[up][up][up] Corpses for the Corpse God!
10864 Neo_Crimson8th Oct 2012 04:27:02 PM from behind your lines.
Your army sucks.
[up][up]I considered trading in the Forgefiends for 2 squads of 2 Nurgle Obliterators. That would free up enough points to turn my bikers into Nurglites or something.

Then again, 16 S8 AP 3 shots a turn is pretty hard to argue with.
Sorry, I can't hear you from my FLYING METAL BOX!
10865 theLibrarian8th Oct 2012 09:09:03 PM from his own little world
That all you got?
So how exactly do points add up in Tabletop Warhammer? I know that each unit is worth a certain number of points, but how do they determine that?
That is the face of a man who just ate a kitten. Raw.
10866 CountDorku8th Oct 2012 09:36:27 PM from the Fire Nation colonies , Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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[up] Models or units have a listed points value, as do all the upgrades available to them. Then you add those together and ta-da, your army list.

The mechanics guys tend to work it out through a lot of playtesting and comparison to what is already there, except when writing Skaven, in which case they do that and then subtract 3.

edited 8th Oct '12 9:53:35 PM by CountDorku

10867 montagohalcyon8th Oct 2012 10:34:58 PM from It's grim up north. , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Rook
Is there a standard point value people usually play at, or does it vary a lot from game to game?
Only the sun has stopped.
10868 KnightofLsama8th Oct 2012 11:02:39 PM from The Sea of Chaos
[up] I don't play myself but I understand that there are standard levels of about 750 and 2000. Larger games tend to use Apocalypse rule sets as I understand it.
Welcome to the Sea of Chaos
Moderate Haruhiist
[up][up]

Reading around, people from the UK seem to like 1500-point games, while US players seem to find their sweet spot at 1850. Remember though that the higher the points, the bigger likelihood that your games will take upwards of two hours to finish.

My own army is a 1750-point army, by the way.

edited 9th Oct '12 5:05:57 AM by MyssaRei

10870 theLibrarian9th Oct 2012 09:13:10 AM from his own little world
That all you got?
So how big would a 1850 point battle be? Like a few squads, maybe some vehicles?
That is the face of a man who just ate a kitten. Raw.
I want Kat's glasses!
If that can give you an idea, I have a 1000-point Ork list here:
  • Boss: ~100 pts
  • One squad of lots of cheap guys: ~230pts
  • One squad of just enough cheap guys to fit a vehicle: ~80pts
  • One light vehicle to carry them: 50pts
  • One squad of heavy, solid guys: 220 pts
  • Two small squadron of flying bikes with rockets: 180pts
  • One tank/APC: ~140 pts
So 850 would get more squads than that, another tank...

edited 9th Oct '12 9:31:47 AM by Medinoc

Grandma, what big teeth you have! It would be a shame if anything happened to them.
10872 theLibrarian9th Oct 2012 09:34:14 AM from his own little world
That all you got?
So a Space Marine thing would be like two squads of Tactical Marines, maybe a Rhino and a Predator, then the Captain or some other hero, with scouts and maybe one assault squad?
That is the face of a man who just ate a kitten. Raw.
I want Kat's glasses!
Well, from memory:
  • Captain: 100+ points, likely 115.
  • 10-man tactical squad: 170+ points —> 340+ points for two of them.
  • metal boxes start at 35 points each, so you could buy one and still fit under 500 points.
  • Then you get in some heavies: A minimal Terminator squad is 200 points, a Land Raider is 250, I don't remember the cost of other vehicles though.

Souts are a bit cheaper. If you really want "cheese" at 500 points, you could take two "naked" squads of 5 scouts (75 pts each), a captain or librarian (100 points), and have juuuust enough points to squeeze in a Land Raider.

edited 9th Oct '12 9:54:25 AM by Medinoc

Grandma, what big teeth you have! It would be a shame if anything happened to them.
10874 Neo_Crimson9th Oct 2012 09:54:57 AM from behind your lines.
Your army sucks.
^^At 1000 points you would see 1 HQ, 2 squads of kitted out Tac Marines each with a Rhino, a couple Predators (they are cheap), and maybe some Terminators.

^EDIT: Huh, didn't know Tac Squads were that cheap. At 1000 points you could probably throw in a third squad, a Dreadnought, and a second HQ.

edited 9th Oct '12 9:57:28 AM by Neo_Crimson

Sorry, I can't hear you from my FLYING METAL BOX!
Moderate Haruhiist
My 1750 5th Edition Space Marine List: (with the pictures of the actual models I have) [1]

It's not a competitive list, and something I bring to pick-me-up games. Mobile armies utterly trounce me for example, and 6th Edition with its Hull Points haven't been kind to it either.


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