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SantosLHalper The filidh that cam frae Skye from The Canterlot of the North Since: Aug, 2009
The filidh that cam frae Skye
#25551: Jan 17th 2017 at 5:28:37 PM

Fucking called it. Now all that's left is to turn them into Expies of Space Marines. tongue

edited 17th Jan '17 5:28:58 PM by SantosLHalper

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theLibrarian That all you got? from his own little world Since: Jul, 2009
That all you got?
#25552: Jan 17th 2017 at 5:38:11 PM

Of course, because they're called aelves in AOS now.

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Medinoc Chaotic Greedy from France Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Chaotic Greedy
#25553: Jan 18th 2017 at 1:59:11 AM

[up]And that's like, the least egregious lawyer rename of AOS.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#25554: Jan 18th 2017 at 3:22:37 AM

You don't like Fyreslayers?

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Captain of the Dead City
#25555: Jan 18th 2017 at 3:29:38 AM

Re: the whole Eldar thing, people have been using orcs willy-nilly for years too, I suspect that the Tolkien estate don't care a lot of the time.

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
MrTerrorist Since: Aug, 2009
#25556: Jan 18th 2017 at 4:27:42 AM

Inaccurate even if it helps first timers understand the plot.

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#25557: Jan 18th 2017 at 11:15:48 AM

[up][up]Yeah.... the Tolkien Estate can't really claim copyright on Orcs

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#25558: Jan 18th 2017 at 11:58:58 AM

Tolkien didn't coin "orc", he merely revived the term, i.e. it already existed with the same basic meaning of "fantastic evil humanoid monster". The same cannot be said of "Eldar" or any other word that he explicitly derived from one of his many Conlangs.

edited 18th Jan '17 12:00:19 PM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
SebastianGray Since: Apr, 2011
#25559: Jan 19th 2017 at 12:38:38 AM

For today's 2nd Edition Thursday: Bloodthirsters.

There was only a single type of Bloodthirster back in 2nd Edition of course but he was very powerful. The Bloodthirster was a Characters choice for Chaos Marine and Daemon World armies and used to cost 300 (Chaos Marine) or 285 (Daemon World) points. The Bloodthirster had a, rather extreme, profile of M6 WS10 BS10 S8 T7 W10 I8 A10 Ld10

The Bloodthirster was equipped with an Axe of Khorne that gave him +1 Strength and did D3 Wounds per wounding hit. The Bloodthirster was also equipped with a Bloodthirster's Whip. At the start of the hand-to-hand combat phase, the Whip allowed the Bloodthirster to make a special attack against any one model in base-to-base combat. The attacked model had to roll under their Initiative on a D6 (a 6 automatically failed) with a failure resulting in a Strength 8, -5 save modifier hit that did 1 damage. The Whip also counted as an additional close combat weapon. Rather than the usual 5+ unmodifiable Daemonic Save, the Bloodthirster word Chaos Armour that gave him a regular 3+ save on 2D6. The Bloodthirster also had wings, of course, allowing them him to move as if equipped with a Jump Pack.

The Bloodthirster had the Terror special rulenote  and followed all the usual Daemon rules (having to be summoned to the battlefield, invulnerability to certain weapons such as gasses, toxins and Grav weapons, having a vulnerability to psychic powers and force weapons, etc.)

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Medinoc Chaotic Greedy from France Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Chaotic Greedy
#25560: Jan 19th 2017 at 1:04:32 AM

Sounds badass. Did he have any non-melee weapon/special attack that actually made use of his Ballistic Skill of 10?

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
SebastianGray Since: Apr, 2011
#25561: Jan 19th 2017 at 1:11:32 AM

[up]Unfortunately not. I believe it was more a representation of their mastery of all forms of combat than anything else.

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math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#25562: Jan 19th 2017 at 4:45:42 AM

Do any Khornate units in 40k use dakka?

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
Medinoc Chaotic Greedy from France Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Chaotic Greedy
#25563: Jan 19th 2017 at 4:50:11 AM

Lords of Skulls have big, nasty cannons. These guns get even nastier in Black Crusade, obliterating hordes.

Edit: Hey, I like the goofy design. Feels exactly like what Khornate warsmiths would build, except they would also ride them.

edited 19th Jan '17 4:55:50 AM by Medinoc

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
TheCuriousFan from Australia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
#25564: Jan 19th 2017 at 4:50:34 AM

http://imgur.com/hAQbWSI

Psychic grumpy cat is coming.

I need a new sig.
theLibrarian That all you got? from his own little world Since: Jul, 2009
That all you got?
#25565: Jan 19th 2017 at 8:01:52 AM

Huh, eldar animals.

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SebastianGray Since: Apr, 2011
#25566: Jan 19th 2017 at 8:10:16 AM

[up][up]I saw that. It's always good to see more old stuff coming back

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#25567: Jan 19th 2017 at 8:40:07 PM

Well, I continue to read heresy books, now im going with "tale of heresy" which is antalogy.

so far it start with Blood games and I most said...is pretty damn good as it give a fairly good view of the custodes and the imperial palaces and it show a good view of terra to the point I want a full novel set there, is intersting how Amon tauromachian actually got right what happen to Horus with a little bit of deductive work, the analogy with the dog and the wolf work too.

The other one is....kinda weird, is about a company of space wolf(who have the nickname wolf brothers) who before they are recall to Prospero decide to stick off into a planet and fight a bunch of dark eldar(this is before they knew everything about them) to save the human colony....is good, and as TS fan I actually got atach to the protagonist who was very noblebright and all....and yet I hate the ending, it feel one of those moment they need to make grimdark for reasons, it was just.....ughhhhhhhhhhh

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Rotpar Always 3:00am in the Filth from California (Unlucky Thirteen) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Always 3:00am in the Filth
#25568: Jan 22nd 2017 at 11:22:20 AM

So this is happening.

I guess Ynnead has been born after all, despite Eldrad fucking up to promote how awesome SPESS MEHREENS are. In some capacity at least.

edited 22nd Jan '17 11:22:50 AM by Rotpar

"But don't give up hope. Everyone is cured sooner or later. In the end we shall shoot you." - O'Brien, 1984
Zeromaeus Mighty No. 51345 from Neo Arcadia Since: May, 2010
Mighty No. 51345
#25569: Jan 23rd 2017 at 6:33:32 AM

I like the avatar and the red guy, but the lady looks too odd.

Mega Man fanatic extraordinaire
GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Captain of the Dead City
#25570: Jan 23rd 2017 at 7:30:13 AM

I really hope they aren't going End Times lite on 40k. It's one extreme or the other with these guys, either they don't progress anything at all and people start calling the setting stagnant (which is kinda fine, it's a setting not a narrative, narratives happen within it), or they go straight to the this-is-meant-to-be-deliberately-vague-and-ominous-to-give-the-setting-flavour end times prophecy stuff and you just can't do that stuff justice.

edited 23rd Jan '17 7:31:23 AM by GoldenKaos

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
theLibrarian That all you got? from his own little world Since: Jul, 2009
That all you got?
#25571: Jan 23rd 2017 at 8:00:50 AM

I don't think they are. 40K is way more popular than Fantasy, they wouldn't give it up and remake it like they did Fantasy and AOS so easily.

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math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#25572: Jan 23rd 2017 at 8:16:56 AM

I imagine it's gonna be more of a redoing of the status quo. Everything moving from five minutes to apocalypse to one minute to apocalypse.

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#25573: Jan 23rd 2017 at 8:18:14 AM

Also, even a setting requires udates, which is why people hate so much this status quo is god: it was reaaaaally awfull, to the point the horus heresy(which is set in the past) move stuff waaaaaay better or the war of the beast.

So far GW have been play safe: Cadia is gone which should happen later and Fenrir siege was something everyone was expecting, now Ynned....yeah..this is new

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Captain of the Dead City
#25574: Jan 23rd 2017 at 9:36:42 AM

Well, I did say 'End Times lite. They'd be insane to trash another venerated setting, especially their cash cow...

Thing is, in the established fluff, Ynnead coming back was firmly in the same camp as Rowboat Girlyman recovering from his wounds and bursting free from his stasis field. i.e. deliberately vague 'we-don't-know-if-this-will-really-happen-or-if-it's-an-invention-of-people-trying-to-find-hope-in-the-darkest-of-times' prophecies that will implicitly happen during or immediately leading up to the End Times/ Final Battle.

It feels like it's one extreme or the other. Either full on status quo: which I don't mind, because the narratives you're kinda meant to care about are the individual ones, like Black Library novels, your Fantasy Flight roleplay sessions for example, and mainly through the game, Your Dudes, the narrative your personal army forges through continuous gaming - like "this is Brother Decuis, he has a plasma rifle, it blows up every game, and so I remodelled him to have augmetic arms" or "this is Sergeant Ralph - he killed a Carnifex with a chainsword last game, so I gave him Terminator Honours". Or "this is Archon Fenex, he was just a squad leader to start with, but after his ex-Archon was vaporize by melta fire, Fenex took his place". And so on. This, incidentally, is the position Aaron Dembski-Bowden holds, that 40k is a setting in which storylines can be told, and doesn't have a 'main' storyline as such. To me, when people complain about a stagnant 40k where nothing changes, it's the same as complaining about a stagnant playground where nothing changes.

Or they go too far the other end and start messing with things that was never made to be messed with: case in point, End Times. That trainwreck.

Now then, I've been supportive of a middle road between the two for a long time - e.g. perhaps Cadia falling, but a second defensive line behind it of a group of Fortress Worlds, or a brand new Hive Fleet appearing and attacking someone, but I'm always going to veer on the side of maintaining the status quo, because it's a really, really GOOD status quo, and with the way they are these days I wouldn't trust GW's writers with DM'ing a roleplay session, much less overseeing even minor overhauls of the setting itself...

Incidentally, there's a huge difference between 40k and 30k. 30k is an epic, distinct storyline with a beginning, a middle and an end. 40k is an epic setting with room for thousands of different, distinct and smaller storylines.

edited 23rd Jan '17 9:39:53 AM by GoldenKaos

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#25575: Jan 23rd 2017 at 12:49:52 PM

" Either full on status quo: which I don't mind, because the narratives you're kinda meant to care about are the individual ones, like Black Library novels, your Fantasy Flight roleplay sessions"

Sure, but eventually it feels hollow because the arbitrary point to stop, people still hate how storm of chaos(or breeze of chaos) ended in a "nothign really change but thing are more grimdark"

"To me, when people complain about a stagnant 40k where nothing changes, it's the same as complaining about a stagnant playground where nothing changes. "

what is the real diference? GW used to have masive campains like Ichar IV, Armaggedon, 13 crusade and so on.

"Or they go too far the other end and start messing with things that was never made to be messed with: case in point, End Times. That trainwreck. "

That is a enterely diferent beast, fantasy is smaller world with less posibilities which was already corner into their finaly chapters so they wasnt much room to "controled changes" like Cadia or Fenrirs or the typical pseudo changes like Marvel and DC like to play over and over, in short they corner themselves

"30k is an epic, distinct storyline with a beginning, a middle and an end. 40k is an epic setting with room for thousands of different, distinct and smaller storylines. "

which make 30k more atractive because it create new stuff to play, end times was back because GW didnt milk all their work(which is weird because...well, they are GW, is kinda what they do) Perpetua, the cabal, those weird alien stuffs in great crusade....is a open new world while 40k feel stomp on purpose just because.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

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