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The Order Of The Stick:

This is the thread for discussion of the Order of the Stick plot, characters, etc. We have a separate thread for discussing game rules and mechanics. Excessive rules discussions here may be thumped as off-topic.

OP edited to make this header - Fighteer

edited 25th Feb '13 10:05:40 AM by Fighteer

 24276 Fighteer, Mon, 9th Sep '13 2:25:45 PM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Those jokes over NPC names are partly in-universe and partly tongue-in-cheek. We've seen how NPCs can be characterized and given meaningful lives, but those "Goblin Cleric #3" jokes are supposed to serve as Lampshade Hanging and mockery of things like Nominal Importance and What Measure Is a Mook?.

Redcloak certainly recognizes the identities of his subordinates and values his people as a whole, even if he is willing to sacrifice some of them to achieve a goal. Roy, for his part, has been caught several times doing the "NPCs don't matter" bit, and has occasionally paid for it.

edited 9th Sep '13 2:27:12 PM by Fighteer

 24277 Mukora, Mon, 9th Sep '13 2:25:52 PM from a place Relationship Status: Love is an open door
Uniocular
This is unrelated to anything at all, but has anyone made a mod for either Baldur's Gate adding Order of the Stick characters as party members?

 24278 Hodor, Mon, 9th Sep '13 2:35:58 PM from Westeros
Cleric of Banjo
One thing I was also reminded of is that incident in his "bad, old days" (pre-Epiphany) where Belkar casually murdered that gnome guy (who watched Fox) and justified it to Haley and Celia by commenting that the guy was just an NPC there to provide some color.

I think what I'm getting at is that basically, while Belkar was right about the guy's role in the story (just like Tarquin is often right), just because a character has a role in the story doesn't mean they aren't also an individual with a rich, off-screen inner life (even if they watch Fox).

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 24279 Fighteer, Mon, 9th Sep '13 2:39:04 PM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Yeah, whenever a significant character tries to pull the "NPCs don't matter" card, it tends to backfire in some way.

 24280 Hodor, Mon, 9th Sep '13 2:41:51 PM from Westeros
Cleric of Banjo
Further diagnosis of Tarquin's thought process:

1. Tropes Are Tools. 2. Tropes entail narratives playing out in certain ways. 3. People fulfill narrative roles. 4. People are Tropes. 5. Therefore, People are Tools.

edited 9th Sep '13 2:43:02 PM by Hodor

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 24281 Fighteer, Mon, 9th Sep '13 2:44:11 PM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
TBH, I think it's rather more likely that he started with "people are tools" and rationalized it with the thought process you describe. That is how actual sociopaths operate.

 24282 Hodor, Mon, 9th Sep '13 2:45:12 PM from Westeros
Cleric of Banjo
So, a sociopath is effectively indistinguishable from someone who reads too much Tv Tropes? wink

edited 9th Sep '13 2:46:11 PM by Hodor

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Euo will do!
[up]Uh... nope. tongue Not unless you make that horrible leap and go "people are just characters". [lol]
"When all else failed, she tried being reasonable." ~ Pratchett, Johnny and the Bomb
 24284 johnnye, Mon, 9th Sep '13 4:39:12 PM from Brighton, UK Relationship Status: If it's you, it's okay
"Tarquin initially went into the "rule an evil empire" plan when he believed that he would face a non-dramatic death, probably at the hands of "some random peasant schmuck""

I read that as him previously thinking he would be the Evil Overlord overthrown by a plucky Farm Boy, and being satisfied with that (classic story formula, after all), but realising once Elan turned up that being overthrown by his own estranged son was miles better. He's only dismissive of the hypothetical peasant schmuck in comparison to Elan.

Incidentally, that woman from the Free City of Doom also owes T a grisly end. What else was she introduced for?
Zaldrīzes buzdari iksos daor, so Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus.
 24285 Knowlessman, Mon, 9th Sep '13 5:55:50 PM from The Avatar Arena Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
Ho Less, Ho More
I don't really think he'd been expecting an anticlimactic death. Remember, Luke Skywalker was a farmboy. Tarquin sees himself as Palpatine.

Just because the person who kills you is low-class doesn't mean it can't be dramatic; even a peasant revolt would have been a satisfactory end in his mind, I think; it would've been dramatic.

What he fears is ending in a way that's either comedic or mundane; dying alone to a disease or an animal or an accident would be his worst nightmare, I expect. EDIT 2: Or a run-of-the-mill assassin; that'd be just as bad. He wants a noisy death that everyone will read about in the history books.

EDIT: Fail; I managed to say the exact same thing as the above post without reading it. :/

edited 9th Sep '13 6:03:25 PM by Knowlessman

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 24286 Tobias Drake, Mon, 9th Sep '13 6:47:02 PM from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
 24287 Enlong, Mon, 9th Sep '13 6:51:56 PM from The Underground Facility Relationship Status: is commanded toŚ WANK!
Court Dragon
No, Tarquin is clearly Tarkin.
I have a message from another time...
 24288 Geoduck, Mon, 9th Sep '13 7:34:07 PM from Pacific Northwest
bivalve
[up]wild mass guessHis last line before dying will be a riff on "no retreating in my moment of triumph."
[up][up] Actually, word of the Giant confirmed the naming similarities to be a coincidence. Same with Malack and Malak.
 24290 Maridee, Mon, 9th Sep '13 8:15:37 PM from the suburban jungle Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
...oh. OH.

so Tarquin wants to be Darth Vader but he's actually Tarkin, a very successful powerful intelligent general (in the EU) who still only lasted one movie.

[up]...or not.

edited 9th Sep '13 8:16:49 PM by Maridee

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 24291 Enlong, Mon, 9th Sep '13 8:16:02 PM from The Underground Facility Relationship Status: is commanded toŚ WANK!
Court Dragon
Wow, really? One heck of a coincidence, considering all the other Star Wars references in that sequence.
I have a message from another time...
Euo will do!
[up][up]Suggestion: tell Rich, and let him take the credit for having come up with it ages ago... For a kickback of one hand-drawn picture. And, whistle innocently.

edited 9th Sep '13 8:18:03 PM by Euodiachloris

"When all else failed, she tried being reasonable." ~ Pratchett, Johnny and the Bomb
 24293 Hodor, Mon, 9th Sep '13 8:18:41 PM from Westeros
Cleric of Banjo
[up][up] Something I've speculated on is that Tarquin likes the image of Darth Vader because Vader was Easily Forgiven for his crimes. I'm not sure that Tarquin necessarily sees himself as Vader (except in the sense of being an Archnemesis Dad), bu it has an appeal.
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 24294 Maridee, Mon, 9th Sep '13 8:20:35 PM from the suburban jungle Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
[up][up]I would love to. But I can't whistle.

There's also Tarquin, last Roman king. and if you care about urban dictionary...
ophelia, you're breaking my heart
 24295 Knowlessman, Mon, 9th Sep '13 8:23:41 PM from The Avatar Arena Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
Ho Less, Ho More
Mind you, it's a trope, and he (probably) reads TV Tropes. He could have never seen the movie (although that's astronomically unlikely), and he'd still know that reference. Hell, I don't think Moff Tarkin's name was ever mentioned in the movie.

Also, if one attaches Annie's portrayal to the Darth Vader theory, it starts making inordinate amounts of sense.

edited 9th Sep '13 8:26:18 PM by Knowlessman

Thinks too much; ponders too little. Doesn't ho what to make of the world.
 24296 Fighteer, Mon, 9th Sep '13 8:27:16 PM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Tarkin's name is most definitely mentioned in the film.

 24297 Shale, Mon, 9th Sep '13 8:28:36 PM from Int'l House of Mojo Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Mighty pirate!
"Yes, I am aware TV Tropes exists as a website. No, I do not read it regularly. Most of the few times that I have ever visited the site came as a result of someone linking a trope that they feel I have used in the comic, and I followed the link so that I may understand what their criticism/point is."

Re: Malack and Tarquin's names, it's kind of amazing that he ended up picking three "random" names in the Empire of Blood that all link back to Star Wars (Tarquin/Tarkin, Malack/Malak, and the paladin Kotor from the "Macebook" gag).

edited 9th Sep '13 8:28:59 PM by Shale

 24298 Maridee, Mon, 9th Sep '13 8:35:12 PM from the suburban jungle Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
Most Star Wars names seem to be picked out by putting random syllables together. He seems to use much the same method.

Is there any real relevance to the Malack: Malak thing?
ophelia, you're breaking my heart
 24299 Shale, Mon, 9th Sep '13 8:45:27 PM from Int'l House of Mojo Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Mighty pirate!
Nope. It was going to be Malachi, but he decided at the last minute that it sounded overly demonic. "Malack" was him tweaking the name to be less Obviously Evil.

edited 9th Sep '13 8:45:39 PM by Shale

 24300 Noaqiyeum, Mon, 9th Sep '13 8:48:16 PM from a thought-experiment gone horribly wrong Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
...which is weird, because Malachi is an Hebrew prophet and Moloch is an evil Canaanite god of infant cannibalism...
"I know I raised more questions than I answered, but I hope now we are all confused on an higher level and about more important things."
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