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 126 Tangent 128, Fri, 28th Mar '08 12:17:43 AM from Virginia Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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Well, he knew she was the Heterodyne ''somehow''.

Let's see what (Sanaa) Wilhelm does...
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Meta4 wrote:
"Something about this page stuck in my head: (Quoted Moloch)

The Borgias were an actual noble family from Renaissance Italy. They were notorious practitioners of Machiavellian politics and murder, especially poisoning (hence Moloch's comment). It was said that many social climbers boasted of being invited to dine with the Borgias; but far fewer could boast of having dined with the Borgias.

I can't say for sure, but this may be the first in-comic reference to a figure from actual history. Perhaps this gives us some indication of when the first Sparks appeared and when the Girl Genius timeline split from our timeline (namely, "after the Renaissance").

Also, one of the Borgias was named Lucrezia.

Well there's a few other historic and/or mythical names floating around. There's a Caligula, a Mordred, and a Moloch in the Heterodyne crypt, although I think we can safely say that they're just dead Heterodynes and not the actual mad Roman emperor, traitorous Arthurian character, or ancient middle-eastern deity

And one of the Heterodyne graves gives us dates to work with. His name's obscured by a speech bubble, but his date of birth is given as 1575, and his death date is listed as 1602, 1604, 1609, 1614, and 1623 (apparently he was a stubborn bastard). So the Earth of Girl Genius must have already been pretty weird by the time the Renaissance came around, and it's presumably at least a century or two since the dude's death.

Tragically we don't have any dates that can tell us when it's set, since someone is conveniently standing on the date of the gravestone of the dead Heterodyne heir (Klaus Barry Heterodyne, son of William Heterodyne and Lucrezia Mongfish) so we can't make out the century.
 
 128 brickman, Fri, 28th Mar '08 11:41:34 AM from wherever adventure takes me Relationship Status: My own grandpa
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You missed Iscariot Heterodyne. But yeah, it seems likely that history from the moment the spark showed up on would be screwy, and there's no logical reason it wouldn't already be there in some form by the time people started writing stuff down. As I said, superficial resemblance to our history.
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 129 Tangent 128, Fri, 28th Mar '08 1:48:38 PM from Virginia Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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I'd like to see a Sparkified Ancient Egypt, personally.

Actually... WMG: some of the first Constructs were made in Egypt, as a Sparky offshoot of the mummifying process.
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 130 Tangent 128, Mon, 31st Mar '08 10:42:36 AM from Virginia Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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Corridor of Fish? Eh, not surprising for that family...
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I'm thinking there will be some Harry Potter-style trap rooms similar to the second book. Chessboard trap, etc..
 
 132 brickman, Mon, 31st Mar '08 5:31:53 PM from wherever adventure takes me Relationship Status: My own grandpa
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You mean the first book, right?

Anyways, from what we've seen so far, I doubt it'll be that. In that book, they made a bunch of traps to make sure that the only way in was to have most or all of the staff work together, or at least agree to tell you how. Here, there's a bunch of traps that are simply designed to kill you if the castle or the masters decide you're a threat; unfortunately, the castle's broken and thinks everyone's a threat.
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 133 Tangent 128, Mon, 31st Mar '08 6:23:56 PM from Virginia Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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I'm just wondering if Agatha will get to keep the castle, or if Failure Is the Only Option.

Though that one "morning training" filler implies that she does settle down somewhere, and the bed has a Trilobite on it. It could be non-canon, of course.

At least it seems like Moloch will stick around for a bit. The "I'm not your minion" thing has to be ironic foreshadowing, and of course there's the time window.
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Some of the radio podcasts have Agatha living in the castle, too.
 
 135 brickman, Mon, 31st Mar '08 10:17:10 PM from wherever adventure takes me Relationship Status: My own grandpa
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Failure as the only option? Have you even been reading this thing? Of course not.
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 136 Meta Four, Mon, 31st Mar '08 10:44:34 PM from the house of bread and battle
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Well, up until this point, Agatha's been under someone else's custody, or on the run, or in hiding. If she can take the Castle, then she'll finally be able to relax a bit. And she can deal with the Wulfenbachs and others from a position of strength.

GG hasn't really used Failure Is The Only Option or the Snap Back at all, but Agatha taking control of Mechanicsburg would be a big change in the story dynamics.
Hmm, failure could be the only option now that I think about it. Girl Genius doesn't have the same sort of status quo as a weekly TV series that forever returns our heroes to business as usual so they can start next week's adventure with a blank slate, but it has kinda ran with the theme of Agatha as the perpetual underdog who roams the land having adventures. And suddenly giving her a castle, a title, and a town to look after would sorta put an end to that for a while.

Still, I get the feeling she'll end up fixing the castle, if only because so many villains want to win by either sabotaging the castle (the fake Heterodyne dame), or utterly destroying it (Vole, and possibly Klaus if Vole makes a convincing enough argument). Plus the need for Agatha to repair and claim the castle has been portrayed as a pretty unambiguously good objective so far, so unless there's a sudden surprise twist I doubt we'll see her deciding to scuttle Castle Heterodyne herself and do a runner. Personally I've got my money on a long cat and mouse game with the fake Heterodyne, Klaus agreeing with Vole's proposal and preparing to annihilate the castle and everyone in it, and Agatha beating the imposter and bringing the castle's defences online just in time to make Klaus abandon the bombardment plan at the last minute.
 
 138 Tangent 128, Wed, 2nd Apr '08 9:03:17 AM from Virginia Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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Possibly. Though it seems if Klaus (or even a rouge Vole) were to pull such a plan, Gil would be trying to delay it. But then, he has to have something to do...
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 139 brickman, Wed, 2nd Apr '08 4:11:55 PM from wherever adventure takes me Relationship Status: My own grandpa
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I do admit a lot of the dynamic that's been working so far runs out if she takes the castle and sits in it for the next few years solidifying her position, but maybe there's some other impossible goal which can be chased once she's fixed it. For instance, Klaus wants her dead dead dead, and even if she takes the castle he's many times stronger and better fortified than her. We do know from the filler/side arcs that even once she's taken full control and isn't in danger she's still going to continue having adventures, as at the very least she's very much well situated at the time of that one with the four constructs (I think). She also, and this is important, she also has to deal with Lucrezia before she can live happily ever after, a task which probably requires leaving her city; if she's lucky, Tarvek eventually tells the Baron to get on that as well, but she may have to do the whole job herself.

By the way, time to start taking bets on whether Agatha successfully recruits Wilhelm. We'll call it 2 to 1 with the affirmative being the more likely, since she's definitely got enough screentime to appear again and hasn't kicked any dogs yet. I'll put my bet on No though, just so I can be the only one right if that's it.
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 140 Tangent 128, Wed, 2nd Apr '08 4:36:38 PM from Virginia Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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Pink-haired Wilhelm? (Not to be confused with Wilhelm-Tarvek's-father or Wilhelm-snuck-Agatha-into-the-castle...) Eh, I'll bet affirmative, simply 'cause I'm feeling idealistic right now.
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 141 Tangent 128, Fri, 4th Apr '08 10:59:13 AM from Virginia Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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(linky)

What's that trope where a group of (mostly) mooks gets picked off one by one, in different ways?

50/50 chance of a scene change, I guess.
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 142 brickman, Fri, 4th Apr '08 11:31:14 AM from wherever adventure takes me Relationship Status: My own grandpa
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Oh hey, we were talking about dates and mutated history earlier, and I just noticed some good ones. The date the castle was first built (1042, so there's already Heterodynes by then), and the date the current one was rebuilt (1298). Since I'm assuming the "big change" was Faustus "awakening" the castle, we've got a date for that too, 1677. I wouldn't be surprised if we're in the 1900s or early 2000s by the time of the story, then.

edit: Also, it appears Baron Wulfenbach is an equal opportunity despot, even if the majority of his soldiers are men.
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I like that the Pink One has a pink pistol that shoots out bullets in a puff of pink smoke. It's very super-villainous.
 
 144 brickman, Fri, 4th Apr '08 9:45:46 PM from wherever adventure takes me Relationship Status: My own grandpa
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You know, one of my favorite parts about this comic is the way he throws in minor characters or other details that're just so unique you can't help but ask "Man, I wonder what his story is". This arc is one of the prime examples of that. Roughly two thirds of those convicts are just so unique, in a monstrous sort of way, that you HAVE to wonder.
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brickman wrote:
"

By the way, time to start taking bets on whether Agatha successfully recruits Wilhelm. We'll call it 2 to 1 with the affirmative being the more likely, since she's definitely got enough screentime to appear again and hasn't kicked any dogs yet. I'll put my bet on No though, just so I can be the only one right if that's it.

I'd say they're better than that. Surely I'm not the only guy who's noticed the current chapter title
 
 146 brickman, Sat, 5th Apr '08 10:07:20 AM from wherever adventure takes me Relationship Status: My own grandpa
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Have you noticed it's been that for what should've been several chapters by now? It's obvious he just hasn't been bothering to update the chapter title. "Wilhelm" was probably the title from when Agatha got in to when the scene changed to Gil, because Wilhelm was the one who introduced Agatha to the castle-prison and was the person Moloch was so worked up about.
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brickman wrote:
"Have you noticed it's been that for what should've been several chapters by now? It's obvious he just hasn't been bothering to update the chapter title. "Wilhelm" was probably the title from when Agatha got in to when the scene changed to Gil, because Wilhelm was the one who introduced Agatha to the castle-prison and was the person Moloch was so worked up about.

The pacing on Girl Genius doesn't exactly rocket along, and not all that much has happened since Agatha met Wilhelm. They had their chat, Agatha met Moloch in the kitchen, and whatsername saw Agatha and ordered everyone to kill her. The only thing that might've warranted a chapter change was the scene with Gil kicking Vole's ass, and that was really just a brief aside.
 
 148 brickman, Sat, 5th Apr '08 2:45:51 PM from wherever adventure takes me Relationship Status: My own grandpa
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But judging by the usual pattern with which the Foglios divide up their "chapters", three should have passed by now: One when it went back to Gil and the Jagermonsters, one when it went back to Agatha and she fought the kitchen, and a third when Merlot spotted her and everyone started chasing her. That's the way they usually do it, if you pay attention to the chapter titles while you're reading the archives.
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brickman wrote:
"But judging by the usual pattern with which the Foglios divide up their "chapters", three should have passed by now: One when it went back to Gil and the Jagermonsters, one when it went back to Agatha and she fought the kitchen, and a third when Merlot spotted her and everyone started chasing her. That's the way they usually do it, if you pay attention to the chapter titles while you're reading the archives.

I'm not gonna let this sort of sensible detail get in the way of me betting the house on Wilhelm saving the day
 
 150 Meta Four, Sun, 6th Apr '08 11:29:54 AM from the house of bread and battle
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By this point, I think Agatha's sparky charm pretty much guarantees that Wilhelm will side with her. But that's no guarantee that she'll live — remember Lars?

And yeah, those other mooks are pretty much doomed. Either Snapper or Prof Merlot will be the last to die.
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