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  • Alternate Character Interpretation:
    • Fans are divided on whether Bane and Talia are in a platonic or romantic relationship. It's also unclear how much their motivation relates to the League of Shadow's dogma vs. how much of it is simple revenge.
    • There's also the question of who's the real Big Bad. Talia/Miranda and Bane both have personal reasons for wanting to destroy Gotham and torture Bruce Wayne, and the nature of their relationship is left ambiguous enough to make them a true Big Bad Duumvirate. Talia never asserts that Bane is a mere henchman to her; Bane is The Heavy and was definitely claiming to be a leader of the League of Shadows earlier in the film, and he has enough initiative to ignore one of Talia's orders. He has enough authority to get other members to die in his place, and is even shown finding and using Gordon's speech in the plan to open Blackgate, which Miranda/Talia could not have known about beforehand. The novelization based on the script even reveals that he considers himself to be the true heir to Ra's al Ghul, and wishes to destroy Batman more to prove himself as the worthier student than out of any true loyalty to Talia.
    • Bane in general is a fairly complex character. Depending on how you view him, he could be seen as the trilogy's biggest Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds or a loathsome bastard.
      • On the one hand, The Reveal shows that he too was born in the World's harshest prison, and was compassionate enough to care for the child and aid her escape at great personal cost. Talia implies that his excommunication was influenced by Ra's distrust, and the film implies his Start of Darkness came from the torture he suffered for helping Talia.
      • On the other hand, he consistently kills his henchmen or has them die in his place, sadistically torments Batman almost solely to prove he is worthier than him, leaves everyone who incurs his wrath to rot in the same Pit he was in (including the doctor who helped him overcome his injuries, though the doctor was indirectly responsible for them to begin with as he's the one who left Talia's cell door unlocked), came up with the idea to isolate all of Gotham and torture it with false hope based on his own experiences, (Talia was established as escaping the Pit, and only wants to destroy Gotham to avenge her father, not torture it), and then finally gives the trigger to Talia and puts her in the blast radius to ensure his plans to rule and destroy Gotham go as planned (then again, it was her wish).
      • And as usual, Batman/Bruce Wayne himself - noble crusader or emotionally stunted, self-destructive Man Child who must finally grow up?
      • That's not even an alternate interpretation, that's the point of the movie: Batman is so consumed by his own survivor's guilt that even when his city no longer needs him, he cannot move on and return to a normal life of being Bruce Wayne. So he becomes a recluse, failing to do the good that he is capable of doing as Bruce Wayne, and this is what allows the villains of the film to take over the city. The only way for him to save Gotham is to reclaim his will to live.
    • It's possible that the ending is All Just a Dream of Alfred's - though that wouldn't explain why he specifically imagines Bruce with Selina, a woman he barely knew beyond one brief meeting and a rap sheet.
  • Anticlimax Boss: When Talia reveals herself in the final act, Bane is seemingly killed off by Catwoman in a way that some find anticlimactic.
    • Fridge Brilliance: Bane could only be killed if taken by surprise.
      • Alternatively, it took heavy artillery to take down Bane.
  • Award Snub: The internet was in a fury for no nominations at the Academy Awards or the Golden Globe Awards. Let's just leave it at that, ok?
  • Broken Base: One of the biggest dividing points is the film's ending in which Bruce Wayne finally retires from being Batman, passes the torch to John Blake and chooses to live happily ever after in Europe - specifically Italy - with Selina Catwoman Kyle, Earth 2 style. Cue fans claiming "The Real Batman Would Never Do That!", "The Real Batman Could Never Do That!", "The Real Bruce Wayne Can Never Stop Being Batman!" and so on and so forth, to the point that some even say "The Real Batman Would Die Before He Stopped Being Batman!" and keep insisting that a better ending would be Bruce being dead for real, even though that completely defeats the whole point of the film, that Bruce had to find the will to live and move on with his life. Having him learn that just to die anyway would be counterproductive to say the least. Others dislike the ending because they were hoping for an open ended and the adventure continues... type ending wherein future filmmakers and casts could pick up where Nolan and co left off and continue to expand and build upon his work, possibly even using his saga as the launch pad for a cinematic DC Universe, something Warner Bros. had tried to do with 2011's Green Lantern and now seemed to determined to start with 2013's Man of Steel (featuring the long awaited reboot for Superman).
    • Also, there are fans not too pleased with the fact that there is no reference made at all to the Joker, the antagonist of the previous film. Nolan and co said this was done out of respect to the late Heath Ledger, but most fans and even some casual members of the general audience came away feeling that it was odd or even disrespectful to Ledger after he gave such a dynamic and mesmerizing performance (others are just angry Joker fans feeling sour grapes that he couldn't be in the film for obvious reasons) to a character that was rather important to the plot.
    • Detractors commonly accuse the film of being filled with holes in the story to the point of being incomprehensible while rarely bringing them up, although it's best not to get into a heated argument with them.
    • The Reveal of Talia al Ghul is a big one, considering it raises questions on how much of the Evil Plan was Bane's doing and his competence, much to the dismay of fans.
  • Crack Pairing: CIA/Bane became one in the wake of the opening scene's Memetic Mutation.
  • Contested Sequel: A masterpiece just like its predecessor, a good movie despite not living up to its predecessor, or a typical disappointing superhero threequel?
  • Continuity Lockout: One of the biggest criticisms of the film is that its story is tied too heavily with previous installments, one of them being made seven years prior and consequently out of most viewers' memories. In contrast, its predecessor can still be enjoyed as a stand-alone film.
  • Counterpart Comparison: The doctor in the prison who watches over Bruce and fixes his back could be seen as a counterpart for Alfred, complete with the British accent and croaking voice, but without any of the compassion.
  • Crowning Music of Awesome: DESHI! DESHI! BASARA! BASARA!
  • Ear Worm: Deshi Deshi! Bashara Bashara!
  • Ending Fatigue: As if the length wasn't enough (the main page makes sure to point out it's the longest superhero movie so far), the ending tries to solve just about everything hanging - in a way the Broken Base still complained.
  • Ensemble Dark Horse: Jonathan Crane makes a cameo, much to the joy of his ever growing fanbase and delivering another One-Scene Wonder performance. This makes him the only Batman villain to appear in three successive movies in the same continuity.
    • Selina Kyle, both for being a badass through and through, and for being both genuinely sympathetic but still morally ambiguous enough to perfectly grab what makes the character popular. Along with John Blake, she's the one who executives are looking to make a spin-off out of. Hopefully they get that one right this time around.
    • The CIA agent, for obvious reasons.
      • To a lesser extent, Barsad and "Brother".
  • Evil Is Cool: Bane, to part where part of the Broken Base for the film is the reveal of Talia's involvement.
  • Family-Unfriendly Aesop:
    • "Suffering builds character."
      • Bruce is basically forged by tragedy into the hero Gotham needs come the end of the film. Though interestingly the film does not shy away from the fact that misery and pain can create very dangerous villains. Especially in the case of Bane and Talia.
    • If a new invention can be abused, it likely will be.
      • Bruce mothballs the new fusion reactor in a knee-jerk reaction to a single paper on weaponizing it, only for the reactor to be used exactly for that purpose. In short, rather than circulate the technology for clean energy and change the entire world for the better, Bruce sits on it because he's paranoid about the danger to Gotham (and by extent the rest of the world).
  • Fandom Rivalry: With the other big superhero movie event of the summer: The Avengers.
  • Genius Bonus: In Batman Begins Ra's Al Guhl tells Bruce to pick out a rare blue flower as part of his quest to find what he was looking for in the first place. At the end of this film when Alfred sees Bruce with Selina in Italy, Selina is wearing a blue dress.
  • Harsher in Hindsight: A crazed gunman killed a dozen people at a midnight screening of the movie. The notoriety of this incident, and the killer being dressed as the previous movie's villain, can make the film much harder to enjoy after the fact. Also, the Gangster Squad trailer that aired just before the attack featured a shooting in a movie theater. Warner Brothers since pulled the trailer and had the final act of the film (in which the theater shooting would've taken place) re-written and shot, though some people's screenings still showed the trailer.
  • Heartwarming In Hindsight: Batman telling Gordon that anyone can be a hero, even someone doing something as simple as putting a coat around a boy's arms and assuring him that it's not the end of the world, became even more heartwarming after the tragic Colorado shootings, where Christian Bale himself went to visit the victims unannounced, on his own money and time.
  • He Panned It, Now He Sucks: So intense that Rotten Tomatoes had to suspend comments on all reviews of the film.
  • He's Just Hiding:
    • What a good deal of people believe about Talia, as her death scene was rather unclear if she died from her injuries or just passed out, and people have survived much worse in these films before (the Joker, for instance, lives through his truck getting flipped over.)
    • Some people also wonder if Bane really died or if he was just so damn powerful that he could live through Selina's missile attack.
    • Inverted with the great Batman death debate - see Poison Oak Epileptic Trees below.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight:
    • More than one person has noted the similarity between the climax of this film and Batman's troubles with disposing of a bomb in Batman: The Movie. He even appears to get blown up (for a few seconds, anyway) in the latter.
    • Bane's previous, much-criticised, appearance in a Batman film was in Batman & Robin. One reason fans complained was because he was not a villain in his own right as in the comics, but was reduced to just been the mook of a female villain. At the end of this film, we find out he was working with another female villain, though the film does not establish who is working for whom, or if they are a Big Bad Duumvirate.
    • On a similar note, there's Selina Kyle. Like Bane, Catwoman's previous film appearance was widely hated, in part because the lead, despite using the name "Catwoman", had little to do with the original character. Now, as noted under Ensemble Darkhorse above, Selina's character is widely praised for capturing the character's essence perfectly... but she never uses the name "Catwoman".
    • In the beginning of the movie, Selina manages to steal Bruce's car by claiming she's his wife. Ultimately, she's the one Bruce ends up with.
    • Remember the constant chanting of "Deshi deshi basara basara!" toward the end of the IMAX prologue? The Bilingual Bonus takes on a whole new and more appropriate meaning when you find out what the phrase really meansSpoiler alert .
    • This is the second time where Bane leaving Batman alive ultimately came back to bite him, and those he's working with, in the ass.
    • The moment the power went out at New Orleans stadium during the Super Bowl of 2013, jokes about how Bane was attacking the city spread like wildfire.
    • Selina saves a street kid (played by Aramis Knight) from several thugs. Aramis was later cast as Bean in Enderís Game, who grew up on streets dominated by bullies. Maybe he misread "Gotham" as "Rotterdam"?
  • Hype Backlash:
  • Iron Woobie: Bruce Wayne. This man just can't catch a break.
  • It Was His Sled: Bane breaks Batman's backnote . It's been an iconic part of the character's notoriety for decades.
  • Jerkass Woobie: Bane and Talia. When you learn the full story, it's really quite tragic. Doesn't stop them from doing unjustifiably evil things, however.
  • Les Yay: Selina and her roommate and fellow thief, Jen, an expy of Holly Robinson.
  • Life Imitates Art: This is reminiscent of the stock trading scene.
  • Magnificent Bastard: Bane. Even more so, Talia.
  • Memetic Mutation: See here.
  • Moral Event Horizon:
    • When you learn the whole story on Bane, it's actually somewhat sympathetic. But planning to torture 12 million people with the false hope of survival for months and then kill them kinda scratches it.
    • Same deal for Miranda Tate AKA Talia al Ghul, the other Big Bad. Even worse, she plans to destroy Gotham using the very means her father disapproved of—nuclear holocaust, if you believe the novelization of Batman Begins.
    • Daggett crosses it with his scheme to send Bruce Wayne, in the words of a newspaper article, "from billionaire to bum" by working with Bane to commit stock exchange fraud. He had no other reason to do it than corporate greed; he explicitly wants to be the leader of a combined Wayne-Daggett company, and he's thoroughly frustrated when Talia fills the vacancy left by Bruce instead of him.
  • Mondegreen:
    • Deshi, deshi, basara, basara can be misheard as 'dish, dish, washer, washer'.
      • This is awesome, awesome! This is awesome, awesome!
      • "This is our Gotham! This is our Gotham!"
      • Variant mondegreens from the trailers include "THIS IS ARKHAM, ARKHAM" and "THIS IS GOTHAM, GOTHAM".
      • When the very first trailer was released, the four corners of the Internet said the chanting was "Mata-lo Bane, mata-lo mata-lo!" ("Kill him, Bane! Kill him! Kill Him!") in reference to Bane's mexican origins in the comics.
      • Back when Hans Zimmer was crowd-sourcing voices for the chant, The AV Club said it sounded like "dishy possum!".
      • "Fishy, fishy, pasta, pasta."
      • Back when the first teaser trailer came out, many thought the chant was "Bane, Bane! Matalo, matalo!" (Spanish for "Kill him!")
    • Bane's voice is a goldmine for mishearing statements.
    Bane: "Ah yes, I was wondering what's for breakfast!note  Your spirit...or your bunny!"note 
  • Narm:
    • To many, Bane's voice and mannerisms, especially near the beginning and during his speeches. Some movie reviewers refer to him as The Lord Humungus for a reason.
    • The scene of the football player (Hines Ward of the Steelers) outrunning the collapsing stadium and dropping the ball in shock elicited some laughs.
    • Talia al Ghul's death, due to her rather Evil Gloating and expressions.
    • As always, Christian Bale's "intimidating" Batman voice can come across as ridiculous to some viewers, but the "trigger" scene in particular had some stifling giggles.
    • If you happen to know Moroccan Arabic, the Bane chant is this. Not only did they get the wrong words ("deshi basara" does not mean "to rise", as it's often claimed, but "coming soon"), it's mispronounced.
    • Most of John Daggett's screentime due to the over-hamminess of his performance. Probably intentional to show how much of an incompetent buffoon he is compared to Bane.
    • The attempts of Bruce and the earlier prisoner to jump the gap leading out of the prison, and failing, coupled with the mention that only one person has ever escaped, is hard to take seriously when the gap isn't that big, and the pitiful leaps the two take to get across.
  • Narm Charm: Even with all the jokes made about his voice, Bane still manages to be terrifyingly intimidating much of the time.
  • Nightmare Fuel: Plenty of it, but Bruce's hallucination of Ra's Al Guhl in the pit is the most obvious as the image of Ra's taunts him over his failure to properly save Gotham from itself, as evidenced by the fact that despite his best efforts the only victory he could achieve "was a lie."
  • One-Scene Wonder: Jonathan Crane is a two-scene wonder and one of the most memorable parts of the film.
  • Overshadowed By Controversy: The film's release got stained by a mass shooting at its Aurora, CO premiere, with the shooter even identifying himself as the Joker.
  • Poison Oak Epileptic Trees/True Art Is Angsty: There is a vocal group of fans insisting that Alfred was imagining/hallucinating that he saw Bruce and Selina in the cafe at the end and that Bruce really did die when the bomb went off - even though Nolan says otherwise.
  • Relationship Writing Fumble: Just what on Earth is going on between Bane and Talia? He practically brought her up during her first 8 years of life, she says her father disliked him because he loved her, she calls him her "friend" and so on. Is it Like a Son to Me, Like Brother and Sister, Wife Husbandry, Bodyguard Crush...? Though perhaps it's only logical that two twisted persons with such an extraordinary story also have a very extraordinary relationship.See also Alternate Character Interpretation above.
  • Rescued from the Scrappy Heap: Bane's intelligent depiction here did wonders for many mainstream viewers whose perception of him was Dumb Muscle (Especially if Batman & Robin was their biggest exposure to him) and many comics fans agree it has made quite a positive impact in returning him to his Knightfall characterization.
  • Rewatch Bonus:
    • All of Miss Tate's actions and dialogue up until The Reveal are seen in a much more sinister light. Talia's engineered the destruction of Gotham through years of deception. All under the pretense of being a trustworthy altruist. Her speech to Daggett about his misplaced faith in the power his money allegedly grants him is later echoed by Bane. And she was willing to seduce Bruce just to make her betrayal all the more painful.
    • When Bruce casually brings up how it's a shame the auto-pilot isn't working. He couldn't look more suspicious, it's a good thing Lucius had his back turned.
  • Romantic Plot Tumor: Bruce falls in love twice during the film, and it's debatable whether either time was all that convincing.
    • To be fair, it is never outright stated nor directly implied Bruce falls in love. With Miranda, he coming off an eight year self-imposed exile while mourning the death of Rachel. Both seem more spur of the moment that is rather justifiable to Bruce's character. What comes of him and Selina after the film is anyone's guess.
      • And let's face it, he had way more chemistry with both Selina and Miranda than he ever really had with Rachel Dawes, who was more of a twisted example of Loving a Shadow than anything else.
  • Strawman Has a Point: Much of Bane's faux-populist rhetoric is appealing, particularly given that the film depicts several members of the rich and powerful as corrupt jerks. On the other side of the coin, it also depicts some of them as being as human as everyone else, and the main character is a rich guy who sacrifices everything to help those less fortunate.
    • Of course, as a member of the League of Shadows, he is also probably just saying this stuff to cause chaos and show the world what happens when law and order isn't backed up by murderous brutality. He isn't truly a populist anarchist or anything like that; he just wants people to think he is.
    • Matthew Modine's character Foley. For instance, urging caution instead of jumping into a hole that everyone knows is booby trapped is a particular example - whenever he calls Blake "a hothead" it is usually because Blake is being a hothead. Similarly, diverting the chase from the Stock Exchange thieve to Batman is a fairly justifiable decision - Batman, to his knowledge, was wanted for the murder of several police officers and a District Attorney, and threatening children with lethal violence and the attempted murder of the Police Commissioner. From what he knows, not the audience, he makes pretty defensible calls both times. His cowardice after the Fall of Gotham is less appealing.
  • Squick: An imprisoned doctor "treats" Bruce's dislocated back by tying him to a rope hanging from the ceiling and stretching it, Bruce screaming the whole time. OUCH.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character: Batman only appears for about 32 minutes of the 165 minute movie (2 hours and 45 minutes).
    Honest Trailers Narrator: Get ready... for a nearly 3 hour Batman movie, where Batman only shows up for about 33 minutes.
    • It must be stressed that this does not include time spent with him not in costume (as Bruce Wayne, if you will), and that 32 minutes is roughly the same amount of in-costume screen-time Batman got in both previous films, even though both previous films were several minutes shorter.
    • Also, Talia is widely considered to be this.
    • The Joker was an inevitable case of this thanks to his actor's death. Because of it, the movie could not tie in the League of Shadows arc with the Joker's arc and had to go with the former only.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: Some watchers were more interested in how the rest of the country/world was taking an entire large metropolitan area being completely cut off from everything. Despite Bruce being outside of Gotham during it, it isn't really explored much.
  • Tough Act to Follow: The film was very well-received but was agreed not to live up to the high standard of its predecessor according to Rotten Tomatoes.note  It's often compared to Return of the Jedi in this respect.
    • There's also Nolan's last film, which in of itself would be a tough act to follow up on as well.
  • True Art Is Angsty: Even moreso than The Dark Knight, the film carries a very melancholy, downtrodden tone.
    Roger Ebert: It isn't very much fun...I'm thinking of the over-the-top action sequences of the earlier films that had a subcurrent of humor, and the exhilarating performance of Heath Ledger as the Joker. This movie is all serious drama...a dark and heavy film; it tests the weight a superhero movie can bear. That Nolan is able to combine civil anarchy, mass destruction and a Batcycle with exercise-ball tires is remarkable.
  • What an Idiot:
    • Sending the entire Gotham City Police Force into the tunnels to try to smoke out Bane? Bad idea because it leads to the entire team being trapped and zero cops left to defend Gotham City against criminals.
    • The valet who somehow believed that Selina Kyle was Bruce Wayne's wife without even questioning it. You'd think he'd realize that if someone as prominent as Bruce Wayne actually married, it would be kinda well-known.
      • Then again, Bruce is just out of a multi-year period of living in total seclusion. Its not that impossible that there have been changes in his personal life that haven't made it to the public consciousness yet, especially if you don't keep up with celebrity gossip.
    • Bruce's whole "I'll fight harder, I always have." attitude to taking on Bane when Alfred tries to point out how dangerous an opponent he is. This is pretty much the same attitude Bruce had towards the Joker in The Dark Knight and look at how that turned out. You'd think he'd know better by now than underestimate the enemy, but then again he's got a bit of a Death Seeker thing going on, so maybe he just didn't care at that point.
  • What Do You Mean, It's Not Political?:
    • Rush Limbaugh thought that Bane was a reference to Bain Capital, the company Republican Presidential Nominee Mitt Romney formerly ran (Bane first appeared in 1993, when Bain was much smaller, and before Romney came to prominence. When Bane was announced as the villain, Mitt Romney was relatively obscure and Bane was mostly unknown to the American consciousness). It got bad enough that not only did Nolan attempt to deny it, Bane's original creator (himself a political conservative) even denied it was the case, and had to point out that Bane's character was closer in depiction to an Occupy Wall Streeter.
    • Which leads to the flip-side idea that some politically-minded people on the Left seem to have that the movie portrays the Occupy Wall Street are a bunch of violent lunatics trying to tear down Western civilization, or that the film is "Batman vs. the evil poor people". The trailers are more guilty of these Unfortunate Implications than the actual movie though, since most of the violence is committed either by Bane's mercenaries (sometimes posing as menial workers) or the convicted criminals busted out of prison, not by any poor or ordinary people (who are seen mostly shutting themselves in their homes while this insanity is going on, and thankful to finally be able to come out once it's over with.) And there are one or two Corrupt Corporate Executives thrown in for good measure. Though there is a brief mention of Bane recruiting the disenfranchised and the poor, it's difficult to identify specific examples from his army of mooks.
    • Writer David Goyer has stated that the film had no intentional connection to Occupy Wall Street. In fact, the story was first conceived in early 2010 (the first Occupy protest was in 2011) and the plot was based on A Tale of Two Cities and The French Revolution, as the eulogy at Bruce Wayne's funeral shows.
    • Also skewered by Jonathan Chait in the NYT:
    What passes for a right-wing movie these days is The Dark Knight Rises, which submits the rather modest premise that, irritating though the rich may be, actually killing them and taking all their stuff might be excessive.
  • Why Would Anyone Take Her Back?: Selina Kyle betrays Bruce/Batman repeatedly, and through her actions he goes bankrupt and loses his seat at his own company. However, she did it for a clean slate (something he can empathize with) and the betrayals were out of fear of Bane. When it really counted, she stood by him and saved him from Bane.
  • X Meets Y: Knightfall meets Batman: No Man's Land. With a bit of Batman: The Dark Knight Returns and, as mentioned above, A Tale of Two Cities thrown in for flavor. Also includes a bit of the Legacy storyline given that both feature Bane working alongside Talia.

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