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YMMV: Venom

The band:

  • Album Filler: Lots of it in the later releases.
  • Awesome Music: Welcome to Hell and Black Metal for starters.
    • Vindicated by History: However, when they were released, they were widely panned by the music press and other musicians as juvenile and sloppy. It was only later with the rise of First- and Second-Wave Black Metal that they got recognition.
  • Epic Riff: All of Them.
  • First Installment Wins: Welcome to Hell and Black Metal were their first two releases, as well as their most popular and well-liked.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight: In recent years there have been a wave of scandals involving female teachers having sex with teenage male students. Making the song "Teacher's Pet" ahead of its time.
  • It's the Same, Now It Sucks: After At War With Satan, Possessed (which was composed of songs that were written before AWWS) was criticized for sounding the same as the first two albums. The bad production on it didn't help either.
  • Narm: The poor quality of both their music and lyrics often makes it hard to listen to their music without laughing.
    • Narm Charm: However, they DID go on to become one of Metal's most influential bands, so people still obviously like them.
  • Nightmare Fuel: The lyrics to "Buried Alive" from Black Metal are pretty much guaranteed to give nightmares to anybody who is claustrophobic.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks: Common opinion on the Calm Before the Storm album, which has more melodic style.

Comic Character

  • Broken Base: A small one; Eddie Brock vs Flash Thompson on who is the best Venom.
    • Another over Cullen Bunn's run on Venom. Some thought that he had a lot of potential and got progressively better at writing the comic, while others think that it's absolute shit and will never hold a candle to Rick Remender's run on the series.
  • Complete Monster: Depending on the Writer. Brock tends to have been portrayed more sympathetically after Character Development. Mac Gargan, on the other hand, became a cannibalistic psychopath after gaining the symbiote, which may have been intended to reverse the fact he had become a somewhat notoriously wussy bad guy as the Scorpion.
  • Crazy Awesome: Venom, Devourer of Worlds.note 
  • Crosses the Line Twice: Flash and Cletus are separated from their symbiotes in Carnage U.S.A, and proceed to fight each other as regular human beings. Neither of them had legs.
  • Draco in Leather Pants: Unsurprisingly considering Brock's sympathetic backstory and Anti-Hero tendencies, as well as the symbiote's Yandere behaviour toward Peter and, for people who are familiar with it, the far more symbiote-sympathetic original depiction of its seperation from Spider-Man, fans can easily find the character likeable.
  • Evil Is Cool: The Crime Master, Agent Venom's first archenemy/Big Bad. Some fans were actually saddened by his death for this very reason.
  • First Installment Wins: More like first host wins: even though the Venom symbiote has been used by various characters by now, the Eddie Brock incarnation remains the most popular, and the only one so far to have been adapted in other medias.
  • Foe Yay: the best way to describe the relationship between the Symbiote and Spider-Man.
  • My Real Daddy: Depending on the fan and comic creator, many people have been credited with the creation of Venom. The reason being his somewhat convulted history.
    • A reader by the name of Randy Schueller wrote into Marvel with the idea of giving Spider-Man a new black costume. Marvel's editor-and-chief at the time liked the idea and credited Schueller. Since he was writing Secret Wars at the time, Shooter asked Mike Zeck, the series' artist, to draw up a Spear Counterpart to Spider-Woman II's costume based on Schueller's design.
    • Writers such as Peter David and Roger Stern gave the suit its ability to morph into other clothes, have an unlimited supply of web fluid, and decided to turn the costume into a living alien symbiote. Both men have taken some credit for Venom for this reason.
    • Fans were not pleased with the change initially so the Spider-Man editors decided to get rid of it. David Michelinie, the writer of Amazing Spider-Man, wanted to bring the costume back as a villain and came up with Eddie Brock's character. He also wrote the first miniseries and initially had the idea of turning him into an Anti-Villain once he became popular enough.
    • Todd McFarlane redesigned Spider-Man's black costume for the villain and came up with the name Venom. Because of this, he demanded full creative control of the character and when Marvel refused, he left to help form Image Comics.
    • Since then, many writers have retconned the nature of the symbiotes - Are they drawn to negative emotions? Are they vampiric? Are they Darwinian monsters? - Mark Millar was the first to release the host from Eddie Brock and decided to turn it into a sort of Legacy Character.
    • On at least one occasion, attempted to explain the origin of their species. Since the Planet of the Symbiotes storyarc happened during The Clone Saga, it quickly fell into Fanon Discontinuity.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks: A lot of fans still cannot accept the fact Eddie Brock is no longer Venom and keep asking that he and the symbiote get back together (despite this being highly improbable in the current situation).
  • The Woobie: The symbiote itself. All it ever really wanted was to be with Peter.
    • The Life Foundation symbiotes. They were ripped out of their parent, artificially aged up, experienced the deaths of their hosts, were painfully experimented on by the government, experienced the death of their shared host after merging, were physically separated, more or less lobotomized and turned into little more than equipment by the military, and then experienced the deaths of yet another set of hosts.
    • Iron Woobie: Flash

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