YMMV: Venom

The band:

  • First Installment Wins: Welcome to Hell and Black Metal were their first two releases, as well as their most popular and well-liked.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight: There have been a wave of scandals involving female teachers having sex with teenage male students. Making the song "Teacher's Pet" ahead of its time.
  • It's the Same, Now It Sucks: After At War With Satan, Possessed (which was composed of songs that were written before AWWS) was criticized for sounding the same as the first two albums. The bad production on it didn't help either.
  • Narm: The poor recording quality of their music and their bad lyrics often makes it hard to listen to their music without laughing.
  • Narm Charm: However, they DID go on to become one of Metal's most influential bands, so people still obviously like them.
  • Nightmare Fuel: The lyrics to "Buried Alive" from Black Metal are pretty much guaranteed to give nightmares to anybody who is claustrophobic.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks: Common opinion on the Calm Before the Storm album, which has more melodic style.
  • Vindicated by History: When they were released, Welcome to Hell and Black Metal were widely panned by the music press and other musicians as juvenile and sloppy. It was only later with the rise of First- and Second-Wave Black Metal that they got recognition.

Comic Character

  • Big Lipped Alligator Moment: The Realm of Insanity sequence from The Madness.
  • Broken Base:
    • A small one; Eddie Brock vs Flash Thompson on who is the best Venom.
    • Likewise there's some dispute on Brock's role. As some are divided if long term Anti-Venom would have been better than Brock Toxin.
    • Another over Cullen Bunn's run on Venom. Some thought that he had a lot of potential and got progressively better at writing the comic, while others think that it's absolute shit and will never hold a candle to Rick Remender's run on the series.
    • Several Agent Venom fans have expressed consternation and dissatisfaction over his redesign in Guardians of the Galaxy, which removed his body armor motif, gave him a permanent mouth and solid white eyes, and took away the white spider emblem on his back.
    • The retcon regarding the symbiotes' nature implemented in Guardians of the Galaxy #23,note  coupled with Agent Venom's second redesign, making him bulky again but giving him a face like the MCU's Destroyer, has caused even more consternation.
  • Crazy Awesome: Venom, Devourer of Worlds.note 
  • Creepy Awesome: Jack O' Lantern.
  • Crosses the Line Twice:
    • Flash and Cletus are separated from their symbiotes in Carnage U.S.A, and proceed to fight each other as regular human beings. Neither of them had legs.
    • The disarmed Razor Fist using his stumps to try and punch Toxin.
  • Dork Age:
    • The first 1/3 of Daniel Way's Venom Vol. 1 ripped-off The Thing, while the rest of was a convoluted mess involving an ancient alien who has ties to Noah's Arc, and is more or less secretly running the world. Despite all of his resources and even though he's been on Earth for millions of years, he decides the best way to Kill All Humans is to grow a 100% evil clone of the Venom symbiote, in the hope that the original (who only appears halfway through the series) would absorb it, and its genocidal intentions. The run had no conclusion, was gratuitously mean-spirited, and was full of creepy sexual imagery, and good guys who act like stubborn Jerkasses when they weren't being annoyingly incompetent. Oh, and Canada was nuked.
    • Brian Michael Bendis' Guardians of the Galaxy "Planet of the Symbiotes" three-parter has two issues of the Venom symbiote rampaging and jumping from Guardian to Guardian... and the final issue retcons everything about the symbiotes' backstory and nature in under three pages worth of exposition that is casually accepted by the Guardians.
  • Draco in Leather Pants: Unsurprisingly considering Brock's sympathetic backstory and Anti-Hero tendencies, as well as the symbiote's Yandere behaviour toward Peter and, for people who are familiar with it, the far more symbiote-sympathetic original depiction of its seperation from Spider-Man, fans can easily find the character likeable.
  • Ensemble Darkhorse: Agent Venom is quickly becoming one. Although not as well-known as Eddie Brock as Venom, he's become beloved by fans and many hope that he stays as Venom permanently.
    • Though Cullen Bunn's run wasn't overly well-received Andrea Benton aka Mania, Agent Venom's close-friend/sidekick, has become immensely popular with fans. Even more impressive in that she's yet to make an appearance outside of Venom's own book.
    • The Venomized Mary Jane from Spider-Man/Power Pack, going by all of the fan art.
  • Evil Is Cool: The Crime Master, Agent Venom's first archenemy/Big Bad. Some fans were actually saddened by his death for this very reason. Also Jack O' Lantern.
  • First Installment Wins: More like first host wins: even though the Venom symbiote has been used by various characters by now, the Eddie Brock incarnation remains the most popular, and the only one so far to have been adapted in other medias. The fourth Venom gained a significant fanbase and even got his own animated apppearance (in a show which ironically didn't feature Eddie Brock). It will probably never be as well known as Eddie Brock Venom but it's safe to call it a "runner up".
  • Foe Yay:
    • The best way to describe the relationship between the Symbiote and Spider-Man. It attacks like a spurned lover when trying to kill him.
    • The weird obsession Jack O' Lantern has with Flash. Yikes.
  • Fridge Brilliance: The retcon in Guardians of the Galaxy seems to clash with established lore regarding the symbiotes, but with a few Broad Strokes in regards to previously established lore it actually fits in quite nicely. It also brings the Venom symbiote back closer to its original depiction as an initially-benevolent entity that only wanted to protect and augment Spider-Man before being driven insane by Eddie's hatred.
    • It even ties into the depiction of the Symbiote in the MC 2 after Spider-Girl #84. Normie Osborn freely bonded with the Symbiote, and the violent and aggressive emotions it possessed were purged as a result, leading to a much more benevolent "Venom" which Normie could use safely without being taken over like before, and which even sacrificed its life to save Spider-Girl from the Hobgoblin. It may be unintentional Fridge Brilliance, but Brian Michael Bendis was not the first to conceive of the Symbiote as a benevolent force.
  • Fridge Horror: What would have happened if the symbiote had succeeded in taking Zarathos into itself?
  • Hilarious in Hindsight:
    • In Venom #20, Agent Venom is forced to kill Death Adder by snapping his neck in order to save a family. A few years later a certain superhero got a lot of attention and derision for being put in that same situation.
    • Venom 2099 became the Scorpion, while the present day Scorpion became Venom. There's also a What If? story where Flash became the Scorpion instead of Mac, his immediate predecessor as Venom.
  • Holy Shit Quotient: Carnage Unleashed! opened with Carnage using his symbiote to murder someone through the Internet, and it just got more insane from there, culminating in everything exploding.
  • Iron Woobie: Flash. It's pretty stunning that he manages to keep fighting after the sheer amount of crap he has to go through.
  • Moral Event Horizon: The Crime Master feeding Eddie Brock to the Toxin symbiote just so he can have Toxin for his personal Legion of Doom.
    • Jack O' Lantern killing Mania's dad. Notably this ends up being the act that cause Venom to try and kill Jack rather than capture him.
  • My Real Daddy: Depending on the fan and comic creator, many people have been credited with the creation of Venom. The reason being his somewhat convulted history.
    • A reader by the name of Randy Schueller wrote into Marvel with the idea of giving Spider-Man a new black costume. Marvel's editor-and-chief at the time liked the idea and credited Schueller. Since he was writing Secret Wars at the time, Shooter asked Mike Zeck, the series' artist, to draw up a Spear Counterpart to Spider-Woman II's costume based on Schueller's design.
    • Writers such as Peter David and Roger Stern gave the suit its ability to morph into other clothes, have an unlimited supply of web fluid, and decided to turn the costume into a living alien symbiote. Both men have taken some credit for Venom for this reason.
    • Fans were not pleased with the change initially so the Spider-Man editors decided to get rid of it. David Michelinie, the writer of Amazing Spider-Man, wanted to bring the costume back as a villain and came up with Eddie Brock's character. He also wrote the first miniseries and initially had the idea of turning him into an Anti-Villain once he became popular enough.
    • Todd McFarlane redesigned Spider-Man's black costume for the villain and came up with the name Venom. Because of this, he demanded full creative control of the character and when Marvel refused, he left to help form Image Comics.
    • Since then, many writers have retconned the nature of the symbiotes - Are they drawn to negative emotions? Are they vampiric? Are they Darwinian monsters? - Mark Millar was the first to release the host from Eddie Brock and decided to turn it into a sort of Legacy Character, although that had been David Michelinie's intention from the start.
    • On at least one occasion, attempted to explain the origin of their species. Since the Planet of the Symbiotes storyarc happened during The Clone Saga, it quickly fell into Fanon Discontinuity.
    • Rick Remender for Agent Venom. His run was critically acclaimed and widely agreed upon as the definitive portrayal of Flash as Venom.
  • Never Live It Down: The lighter incident from the Sinister Six storyline.
  • Replacement Scrappy:
    • Mac Gargan as Venom. Ostensibly it was an attempt to reverse Mac's rampant Villain Decay, but as Spider-Man put it "a loser dressed like Venom is still a freakin' loser".
    • Averted with Flash as Venom as many consider him to be a great character in his own right.
  • Sequelitis: While plenty of people like Cullen Bunn's run on Venom (and Mania is a big Ensemble Darkhorse), general agreement is that it doesn't hold a candle to Rick Remender's run on the book.
  • Shocking Swerve: The revelation that the third Crime Master was Betty Brant's brother Bennett, saved from death and turned bad by a Nebulous Evil Organisation.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks: A lot of fans still cannot accept the fact Eddie Brock is no longer Venom and keep asking that he and the symbiote get back together (despite this being highly improbable).
  • Ugly Cute: The Venom symbiote in The Hunger.
  • Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Pyre from Funeral Pyre.
    Venom: Stop it! We cannot... take your microwave blasts! We came to save you!
    Pyre: You came too late!! I was forced to kill by those lifeless at your feet—because you did not rescue me in time!
  • Villain Sue: Bob from the Daniel Way series. Along with being a Generic Doomsday Villain, he casually does things like pull rank on Nick Fury, and order the nuking of Northern Canada, with it being stated that no government would dare question this demand. And he acquired his piece of the Venom symbiote when a man tried to sell it over the Internet; within seconds, the auction was closed, the website was shut down, and the man's apartment was blown up by black helicopters that literally appeared out of nowhere.
  • The Woobie: The symbiote itself. The Guardians of the Galaxy's retcon only amps this up further by revealing that the symbiotes are naturally benevolent and consider themselves noble warriors that help worthy hosts become true heroes. But somewhere down the line, a symbiote bonded to an unworthy host and was driven insane by bloodlust, leading to the foundation of the empire of carnivorous Lovecraftian parasites they've been portrayed as ever since the original Planet of the Symbiotes. The Venom symbiote was the first in its lineage to be born without that bloodlust, and was imprisoned for wanting to be more like its noble ancestors. It's freed by Spider-Man and deems him a worthy host, but when he finds out it's alive he panics and rejects it. When Eddie Brock shows up about to commit suicide, the symbiote is drawn to his obsession with Spider-Man and bonds to him, but is driven insane with bloodlust, which just gets worse over time.
    • The Life Foundation symbiotes. They were ripped out of their parent, artificially aged up, experienced the deaths of their hosts, were painfully experimented on by the government, experienced the death of their shared host after merging, were physically separated, more or less lobotomized and turned into little more than equipment by the military, and then experienced the deaths of yet another set of hosts.
    • Mania gets her dad killed by Jack O' Lantern, is unwillingly given a symbiote, and ends up stuck with a hellmark that can't be removed as it's stuck to the symbiote, not her. Getting said hellmark ends up putting her in Crossbone's sights.