YMMV / The Swan Princess

  • All Animation Is Disney: Justified because Richard Rich directed the Disney films The Black Cauldron and The Fox and the Hound, and the movie draws heavily on the "Disney Renaissance" style.
  • Alternative Character Interpretation:
    • If not for their direct interaction with Derek, one could easily assume that the odd personalities of the animals were all in Odette's head; a coping mechanism for dealing with the loss of her father, lover, and home...
    • On that note, before they're shown talking to non-cursed humans like Derek just fine in the sequels note , one could infer in the first movie that Odette only learned to speak fluent animal after Rothbart's curse turned her into an animal as well.
    • Rogers and Uberta can come off either as a Beta Couple or as a straight woman and her gay, male friend.
  • Angst? What Angst?:
    • Odette is never seen grieving over her dead father but she does a lot of breaking down, which can be assumed to be about the whole gravity of the immense situation she's in, from the death of her father to being cursed. Also, there's no real mention of how much time has passed. Uberta says, "Thinking of her and the way that it was", so possibly a couple of months or even a year could have passed. Maybe Odette had already mourned and now was focused on escape.
    • Derek is much too chipper after having finally found Odette only to leave her with Rothbart yet again after what has been presumably months trying to find her. To be fair, she did insist he leave in order to protect him from Rothbart's wrath, but this doesn't serve to make things easier for the two as Rothbart instead elects to kill Odette rather than let Derek go through with his vow to her. Meanwhile, Derek is busy attending to the ball where he expects Odette to appear the next night apparently without any issue.
    • Furthermore, it does not dawn on Rothbart at any point that killing Odette will ruin his entire plan of seizing William's kingdom legally by marrying its princess; given his obsession with this scheme, one would think he'd stop to rethink the consequences of this decision.
      • Given that his whole Villain Song revolves around him going back to his 'classic' villain ways, and considering all the trouble Odette's been giving him, it's possible at this point he just thought "Screw it, we're doing this the old-fashioned way".
    • Odette seems awfully comfortable living in the place that was her prison in the sequels.
    • No one seems to have any problem in the third movie with Odette being resurrected with necromantic black magic. However, it's possible that Derek's reward for destroying the Forbidden Arts is the return of his wife, or that Odette was only magically dead, and destroying the Dark Arts broke the spell. Neither of the latter seems like a reason for angsting.
  • Ass Pull:
    • Whizer mimicking Rothbart's voice to distract Zelda so he can give the heroes some more time. The only time we hear Rothbart himself speaking is in a flashback by Zelda, and there is no way Whizer could have heard it.
    • Odette using the power of the moonlight to revive a dead Jean-Bob while she waits to change herself back into a human. One could excuse it in Odette's case as she had been transformed with the same magic that Rothbart used on her in the first film and moonlight was the only way to reverse it, but under what clause was that spell capable of bringing back the dead?
  • Awesome Music:
    • "Far Longer Than Forever"
    • "No Fear Rap"
    • "The Magic of Love"
    • "That's What you Do for a Friend"
    • Every Villain Song including "No More Mr. Nice Guy", "You Gotta Love It" and "Bad Days Ahead".
    • "Because I Love Her"
    • "We Wanna Hear From You"
    • "Always with You"
  • Big-Lipped Alligator Moment: Rogers' "She's Gone!" musical number in the third movie is strange to say the least.
  • Contested Sequel: The second and third films to some. They're direct-to-video and feature almost none of the original voice cast (save for Odette and Puffin). The CGI films have it even worse.
  • Crowning Music of Awesome: Eternity by Dreams Come True. It helps that this is a English cover of a Japanese song featuring the same singer using Surprisingly Good English.
  • Ear Worm: "That's what you do for a friend" from the second movie is catchy.
  • Ensemble Dark Horse: Rogers, Speed, Jean-Bob, Bridget, Wesley and Puffin are surprisingly popular for sidekicks.
  • Even Better Sequel: The second and third films. The plots are more original and interesting than many of the Disney DTV sequels. The second devotes a lot of screen time to the entertaining Queen Uberta, while the third features a very charismatic villain and has a surprisingly dark climax. Plus the animation is still pretty consistent across all three films.
  • Fanon Discontinuity: Part of the fandom tends to ignore the CGI films and pretend they didn't exist.
  • First Installment Wins: The first film is one of the most well-known Disneyesque films of the 1990s as is moderately popular. But how many people realize it has not just one film, but seven and counting? They're not aired on television much, unlike the The Land Before Time direct-to-video sequels, which only invokes them more. It doesn't help that was a huge Sequel Gap between the original two sequels and the All-CGI Cartoon revival.
  • Franchise Original Sin: Despite the obvious Disneyfication the first movie commits to the Swan Lake ballet, it's far from the first version to alter the story into a Happy Ending. Allegedly in fact, the original ballet was intended to have one.
  • "Funny Aneurysm" Moment: During the opening song, Derek takes out his frustration over the forced betrothal by shooting arrows at a Gonk picture of Odette that he drew. This becomes less amusing after Derek mistakes Odette in her swan form for the Great Animal, and very nearly shoots her for real.
  • Genius Bonus:
    • In the first movie, when Odette and Puffin are taking off the lure Prince Derek back to Swan Lake, Jean-Bob gives a long list of penalties to Puffin if he lets anything happen to Odette, ending in having his "back legs fried in butter!" This is how frog's legs are typically served, especially in France.
    • When Rothbart disguises the Hag as Odette to trick Derek into making the vow of everlasting love to her as opposed to Odette, he doesn't put her in a white dress, like Odette usually wears. Instead, it's a black dress. This is a shout-out to the ballet that inspired the film where Rothbart disguises his daughter, Odile, as Odette to trick the Prince into making the vow to her. Traditionally, the ballerina who plays Odette also dances as Odile. The only visible difference? Odile wears black as opposed to Odette's white garments.
  • Harsher in Hindsight: Odette's respective deaths in the first and third films may be a bit harder to swallow after her voice actress, Michelle Nicastro passed away from cancer in 2010.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight:
  • Idiot Plot:
  • Launcher of a Thousand Ships: Odette is quite popular with the Crossover Ship crowd. Two of the most popular ships are her and Marina from Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas and her and the Beast from Beauty and the Beast.
  • Magnificent Bastard: Despite his questionable planning skills, Rothbart tries to be this and nearly succeeds thanks to his efficiency, Jack Palance's voice, and his tendency to look good while doing evil.
  • Memetic Mutation: Derek should write a book: How to offend women in five syllables or less.
  • Narm: The universe repeatedly contriving to turn Odette into a swan again gets more and more absurd as the sequels go on. It makes sense in the first two two films, but by the third movie...
  • Painful Rhyme:
    • "No More Mr. Nice Guy", catchy as it is, has a lot of these:
      • "Up 'til now I've pulled my punches/I intend to eat their lunches…"
      • "As soon as my witchcraft has zinged 'em/I'll gain control of the kingdom!"
      • "Odette won't go to the ball cause I won't bring her / So I'll zap up a date who's a real dead ringer."
      • "As for Odette, well that's tragic/ 'Cause I'm goin' back to that old black magic!"
    • The line "What if Odette doesn't go for the merger?/Urge her!" from "This Is My Idea".
    • "This plan if applied'll/Be simply suicidal!" from "No Fear".
    • Also a case of Rhyming with Itself:
    Odette: I haven't packed or washed my hair and Father I get seasick!
    [a few lines later]
    Derek: If you make me kiss her hand again, I swear I'm gonna be sick!"
  • Rescued from the Scrappy Heap: Alise didn't have much in the way of character in A Royal Family Tale asides from being The Woobie. Come the sequels, and she's a spirited, snarky, adventurous young girl who has nothing in common with her first portrayal. It probably helped that they were finished heaping on sugar and fluff to prove how totally not evil she was, in case we forgot the opening, which showed her and her future mother being framed.
  • Special Effects Failure: In some shots, the edges of the frame cells are clearly visible, with some copies showing nearly a full frame cell intruding on Rothbart's musical number.
  • Strangled by the Red String: Despite a brief suggestion that Derek developed a crush on Odette in their teen years, the two young adults dread the very thought of getting married and have to be physically forced into the same room together. At this point, they share a single look and suddenly decide they're meant to be.
  • Tainted by the Preview: If the timing of The Swan Princess Christmas (14 years after the end of the trilogy and two years after the death of Odette's original speaking voice) didn't already make it bad enough, the trailer's cheap animation and writing quality cinch it.
  • Tastes Like Diabetes: Each of the first three movies end with Derek and/or Odette saying something sappy, then kissing in closeup (through Stock Footage, no less). From the third movie:
    Odette: Promise me, Derek. There's no more magic in the castle?
    Derek: I can't do that. So long as you're here, Odette, there will always be magic.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks: The animation changing to CGI (starting with the 4th movie onward) had overwhelming negative reaction from the fans of older movies, or people who enjoyed the first movie.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: Derek and Odette grow up together with a "girls have cooties/boys are gross" attitude, and when they both become adults, Derek falls in love with her for her beauty alone, something which Odette notices and refuses to marry Derek for. This could have made for a much more engaging moral about not marrying for looks alone and to fall in love because you love her as a person, but that plot point is simply thrown away and the two suddenly "truly" fall in love with each other. It's hinted in the scene with Odette and her father in the carriage that had genuinely come to love him and was waiting needed confirmation he truly loved her back. Yet the movie only implies this as it goes on.
  • Ugly Cute: Odette, during her preteen "ugly duckling" years. She had Girlish Pigtails, Youthful Freckles, and dressed in a hideous orange tunic... but also had large, deep blue eyes, a beautiful voice, and more often than not seemed to be sad.
  • Uncanny Valley: The fourth and fifth films, entirely made in CGI, are full of examples.
  • What an Idiot: The first film would be shorter if the lovers didn't each hold the Idiot Ball.
    • Odette, in her swan form, has to steal a map from inside Rothbart's castle to tell where she is when she could just fly and get an idea that way. She wants to make sure that she knows where she's going and how to get back - it's only by being at the lake that she can turn back into a human. We were never given any indication that Odette was familiar with where Rothbart had taken her. She was in Derek's kingdom with her father when Rothbart had attacked. She's spent most of her summers visiting Derek but that doesn't mean she'd know every square inch of the land. Despite all this, stealing the bad guy's map is a surefire way to get his attention.
    • Derek has a couple of these:
      • During the ball, he falls for an Odette dupe who is dressed in black. (In the ballet version of this story, this is justified as the lovers have only just met, but here they've known each other for years and she usually wears white.) It's been observed that while Derek isn't a total moron, he's not exactly the most quick witted individual. He did note that the Odette impostor seemed a little different than how Odette usually is, but Bridget's acting and composure as Odette was near flawless. Besides, she was probably pandering to Derek's ego by the way she was hanging on his shoulder and smiling vapidly as he was making his vow. Derek was too in the moment to really notice the change because it seemed too good to be true. You'd think a prince-a future ruler-would have heard the saying "if it's too good to be true, then it probably is." In the third film, he falls for an Odette dupe again. It's even lampshaded by Zelda.
      • For that matter, when Derek tells Odette to go the ball his mother is hosting and there he'd make the vow of everlasting love...he doesn't make sure that she has a way to get to said ball and without the very dangerous sorcerer who not only cursed her but killed her father from finding out. Granted, this plot hole is still present in the original ballet either but still...
    • Rothbart's entire plan to take over Odette's kingdom makes absolutely no sense when you think about it. On one end he wants to marry Odette as this will make him the heir apparent to the throne with King William out of the way. However, he intends for her to fall in love with him, which serves as the only means to break the spell he's cast on her, instead of simply finding someone else, like say Bridget for instance and disguising them as Odette, which is exactly what he does when sabotaging Derek's vows to the real Odette later. Naturally, Odette doesn't go for it, and he doesn't think to brainwash her into doing his bidding, and instead waits around for her to "come to her senses" as he sees it and doesn't do anything to take up arms against Odette's kingdom or anything of the sort. When Derek shows up to mess things up for Rothbart, he doesn't do anything to kill or capture Derek to prevent this from happening and instead decides he will make it so his vow will kill Odette, effectively doing away any claim he might've had on Odette's throne. In short, it would have been much more practical for Rothbart to simply take the kingdom by force after having already killed William, the very plan he objected to when Odette mentions this to him.
    • In the third film while Wizzer has Zelda distracted, Derek apparently thinks it's a good idea to shout her name and then attack her as opposed to snatching the wand away and breaking it while she was distracted.
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