troperville

tools

toys


main index

Narrative

Genre

Media

Topical Tropes

Other Categories

TV Tropes Org
random
Kickstarter Message
TV Tropes Needs Your Help
X
Big things are happening on TV Tropes! New admins, new designs, fewer ads, mobile versions, beta testing opportunities, thematic discovery engine, fun trope tools and toys, and much more - Learn how to help here and discuss here.
View Kickstarter Project
YMMV: The Smashing Pumpkins
  • Archive Panic: There are only ten official studio albums (counting the two forthcoming volumes of Teargarden by Kaleidyscope), so that doesn't seem too bad. And then you look at the band's colossal vault of B-sides and reissues. There are 114 tracks in the Rarities and B-Sides compilation alone, and that's not a complete representation of the band's works. And then you look at the reissues. Adore and The Aeroplane Flies High are the most expansive of these thus far, containing six CDs and a DVD each, which are all filled to the brim with bonus goodies. The running time of the reissued Adore alone is over nine hours. In short, good luck.
  • Broken Base/Fanon Discontinuity/Dork Age: the fan reaction to Zeitgeist. Adore was also considered something of a Dork Age, though it was one of their most critically acclaimed albums and has come to develop a cult fandom over the years.
    • Corgan, on Machina: "Adore didn't alienate the audience, they were just sort of like, 'Oh, it's not the record I want.' [Machina] alienated people."
    • You can easily start a debate among fans as to whether or not the second time around, starting from Zeitgeist to Oceania and whatever comes after that, is considered truly The Smashing Pumpkins or just In Name Only.
  • Crowning Moment of Heartwarming: "Luna" and "One Diamond One Heart," as well as "Pinwheels."
  • Crowning Music of Awesome:
    • From Gish: "I Am One," "Siva," "Snail"
    • From Siamese Dream: "Cherub Rock," "Soma," "Luna," "Disarm"
    • From Mellon Collie (disc 1): "Tonight Tonight," "Zero," "Here is No Why," "Muzzle"
    • From Mellon Collie (disc 2): "Where Boys Fear to Tread," "Bodies," "X.Y.U.," "Thru the Eyes of Ruby"
    • From Adore: "Ava Adore," "Daphne Descends," "To Sheila", "For Martha", "Appels + Oranjes", "Pug"
    • Even Zeitgeist had "Doomsday Clock."
    • From Oceania: "Quasar" was the moment at which people realized the Pumpkins really were back.
  • Ensemble Darkhorse: "Drown" to the Singles soundtrack. The song received airplay despite a) never being released as a single, and b) being the only song on the album by a band from outside Seattle.
    • "Muzzle" is one of the band's post popular songs despite only being a promotional single, never even getting a full single release or music video.
    • Mellon Collie has a lot of these: "X.Y.U.," "Thru the Eyes of Ruby," "Bodies," "Where Boys Fear to Tread," "Jellybelly," and "In the Arms of Sleep" all arguably qualify.
    • "Set the Ray to Jerry" is quite popular despite never being on a full-length album (it was the closing track on the 1979 EP).
    • The band has a lot of B-sides that qualify as this. "Obscured", "Starla", "Cherry", "Let Me Give the World to You", "Here's to the Atom Bomb", etc. One of them ("Rotten Apples") even wound up being the title of the band's greatest hits compilation.
    • As far as albums go, Adore certainly fits these days (although the Pitchfork review of the reissue, which gave it an 8.5 and Best New Reissue, argues that it's cited as "underrated" so often that that can't possibly be true anymore). Machina II probably fits too, as it's generally regarded as a substantial improvement on the album to which it's a sequel.
  • Epic Riff: The live version of "Daphne Descends" has a truly glorious one.
    • Also, the intro and main riff from Cherub Rock.
    • "Zero".
    • "The Chimera".
  • Face of the Band: Billy Corgan. May also be crossed with I Am the Band as he's the only original member left.
  • Fan Community Nickname: "Ghost Children", based on the story of Machina/The Machines of God; also, "Pumpkinheads".
  • Jerkass Woobie: Corgan may be a jerk at times (as attested by throwing Pavement off a festival bill because their song "Range Life" mocked his indecipherable lyrics, his transphobic insults against custom pedal manufacturer Devi Ever, or his bizarre declaration about wanting to "piss on Radiohead" and constant insults thrown at his former bandmates), but he has had a pretty tragic life, having grown up in a horribly abusive home, spending much of his childhood taking care of his disabled brother, and dealing with severe depression, even contemplating suicide. He may be a control freak and a jerk but he seems to be desperately holding onto the only good thing in his life.
  • Magnum Opus: Usually considered to be either Siamese Dream or Mellon Collie.
  • Memetic Mutation: "But despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage"
  • Uncanny Valley: The "Ava Adore" music video. Creepy dancing caused by Undercrank, along with the stillness of everyone in the background and Billy Corgan's Nosferatu look.
  • Signature Song: either "Zero," "Today," or "Bullet With Butterfly Wings".
  • Vindicated by History: Corgan predicted that this would happen to Adore, and over a decade after its release, he appears to have been right.
    • Corgan has also mentioned that he regrets having described the album as "electronic", believing that this distorted the way people perceived it, and once commented that he believed that simply referring to it as an "acoustic" album would have caused less trouble (the album only really had one electronica song while the singles retained "1979"'s use of technology.)
    • The band as a whole. They were The Scrappy of alternative music for a while during the '90s for their Arena Rock influences (and Corgan's general dickery didn't help), but are much more positively viewed nowadays.
  • Wangst: Billy Corgan is very prone to this in his blogs and interviews. It seeps into the lyrics sometimes, but is generally considered forgivable because of the music.

random
TV Tropes by TV Tropes Foundation, LLC is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License.
Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available from thestaff@tvtropes.org.
Privacy Policy
10341
25