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* HoYay: There was a mix of this and FoeYay between Uther Doul and the Brucolac. Mostly from the Brucolac's side. He very explicitly wonders whether Uther is a masochist, and then acts like a scorned lover through most of the novel. There's also the matter of what exactly their history together is. This pairing isn't invalidated by the ending, either.
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* MagnificentBastard: Uther Doul is the mysterious, inhumanly skilled head of Armada's security force. A brilliant commander who leads raids to capture new citizens for Armada while executing the captain aboard Bellis Coldwine's ship, Uther later uses Bellis to foment a rebellion against the Lovers, the rulers of Armada. Keeping his involvement secret, Uther later puts the rebellion down, including his friend the Brucolac, resulting in the splintering of Armada's unity and allowing him to return to his own pursuits--which he does, just after ordering the Brucolac saved and returned to his own home.
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* MagnificentBastard: Arguably Uther Doul, The Brucolac, and Silas Fennec.
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* FridgeBrilliance: Bellis feels that if Possibility Theory is correct then that invalidates [[PerdidoStreetStation Crisis Theory]]. However, the audience who read PerdidoStreetStation know that a working Crisis engine can exist, and in this book, we also see that Possibility theory works. The brilliance comes when you realize that both theories allow for the other to exist. Possibility means implicitly the possibility where Crisis is correct, and Crisis is built on a dialectical competition of forces until one succeeds over the other. In other words, the very existence of possibility begets crisis.
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* FridgeBrilliance: Bellis feels that if Possibility Theory is correct then that invalidates [[PerdidoStreetStation [[Literature/PerdidoStreetStation Crisis Theory]]. However, the audience who read PerdidoStreetStation ''Literature/PerdidoStreetStation'' know that a working Crisis engine can exist, and in this book, we also see that Possibility theory works. The brilliance comes when you realize that both theories allow for the other to exist. Possibility means implicitly the possibility where Crisis is correct, and Crisis is built on a dialectical competition of forces until one succeeds over the other. In other words, the very existence of possibility begets crisis.
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* OffscreenMomentOfAwesome: The book's largely about a narrator 'lost at sea' in a city that's often outside the bounds of her knowledge and understanding. The story builds up a rivalry - and an intriguing past acquaintanceship - between two overpowered badasses, and they finally get their showdown a couple of chapters from the end... but then the fight scene gets skipped entirely, and instead we get to see the aftermath at the start of the next chapter.
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* OffscreenMomentOfAwesome: The book's largely about a narrator 'lost at sea' in a city that's often outside the bounds of her knowledge and understanding. The story builds up a rivalry - and an intriguing past acquaintanceship - between two overpowered badasses, and they finally get their showdown a couple of chapters from the end... but then the fight scene gets skipped entirely, and instead we get to see the aftermath at the start of the next chapter.chapter.
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* OffscreenMomentOfAwesome: The book's largely about a narrator 'lost at sea' in a city that's often outside the bounds of her knowledge and understanding. The story builds up a rivalry - and an intriguing past acquaintanceship - between two overpowered badasses, and they finally get their showdown a couple of chapters from the end... but then the fight scene gets skipped entirely, and instead we get to see the aftermath at the start of the next chapter.
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* FridgeBrilliance: Bellis feels that if Possibility Theory is correct then that invalidates [[PerdidoStreetStation Crisis Theory]]. However, the audience who read PerdidoStreetStation know that a working Crisis engine can exist, and in this book, we also see that Possibility theory works. The brilliance comes when you realize that both theories allow for the other to exist. Possibility means implicitly the possibility where Crisis is correct, and Crisis is built on a dialectical competition of forces until one succeeds over the other. In other words, the very existence of possibility begets crisis.
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* MagnificentBastard: Arguably Uther Doul and The Brucolac.
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* MagnificentBastard: Arguably Uther Doul Doul, The Brucolac, and The Brucolac.Silas Fennec.
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* UnfortunateImplications: Two interpertations for "The Scar":
** [[spoiler: Bellis is an uppity woman, who seems to get her comeuppance and becomes humbled by the end.]]
** [[spoiler: Bellis develops from being a jerk into a more likable character because she starts to aid and care about others; she's very competent and holds her own in most if not all situations. She's not so much humbled as more experienced, and only as traumatized as every other main character that Miéville writes. Note the kid whose story could be equally argued to be saying that literacy will inadvertently lead to death. The guy manipulating Bellis was a master spy who managed to singlehandedly infiltrate the entirety of Armada, and only got taken down by Uther Doul and the Brucolac. See above, under 'Badass' for the two of them.]]
** [[spoiler: Bellis is an uppity woman, who seems to get her comeuppance and becomes humbled by the end.]]
** [[spoiler: Bellis develops from being a jerk into a more likable character because she starts to aid and care about others; she's very competent and holds her own in most if not all situations. She's not so much humbled as more experienced, and only as traumatized as every other main character that Miéville writes. Note the kid whose story could be equally argued to be saying that literacy will inadvertently lead to death. The guy manipulating Bellis was a master spy who managed to singlehandedly infiltrate the entirety of Armada, and only got taken down by Uther Doul and the Brucolac. See above, under 'Badass' for the two of them.]]
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** Very much YMMV; [[spoiler: Bellis develops from being a complete Tsundere/jerk into a more likable character because she actually starts to aid and care about others; she's very competent and holds her own in most if not all situations. She's not so much humbled as more experienced, and only as traumatized as EVERY. SINGLE. MAIN. CHARACTER. that Miéville writes. Note the kid whose story could be equally argued to be saying that literacy will inadvertently lead to death. The guy manipulating Bellis was a master spy who pretty much managed to singlehandedly infiltrate the entirety of Armada, and only got taken down by Uther Doul and the Brucolac. See above, under 'Badass' for the two of them.]]
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* UnfortunateImplications: For Two interpertations for "The Scar": [[spoiler: Scar":
**[[spoiler: Bellis is an uppity woman, who seems to get her comeuppance and becomes humbled by the end.]]
** Very much YMMV; [[spoiler:]]
**[[spoiler: Bellis develops from being acomplete Tsundere/jerk jerk into a more likable character because she actually starts to aid and care about others; she's very competent and holds her own in most if not all situations. She's not so much humbled as more experienced, and only as traumatized as EVERY. SINGLE. MAIN. CHARACTER. every other main character that Miéville writes. Note the kid whose story could be equally argued to be saying that literacy will inadvertently lead to death. The guy manipulating Bellis was a master spy who pretty much managed to singlehandedly infiltrate the entirety of Armada, and only got taken down by Uther Doul and the Brucolac. See above, under 'Badass' for the two of them.]]
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* DesignatedProtagonistSyndrome: Bellis Coldwine.
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* FridgeLogic: The question of where Armada gets its fresh water is never addressed. The scarcity of drinkable water on the ''Therpsichora'' is mentioned early on, but there's no indication that Armadans use desalination techniques, or even set out catch-basins during rainstorms.
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** Very much YMMV; [[spoiler: Bellis develops from being a complete Tsundere/jerk into a more likable character because she actually starts to aid and care about others; she's very competent and holds her own in most if not all situations. She's not so much humbled as more experienced, and only as traumatized as EVERY. SINGLE. MAIN. CHARACTER. that Mieville Miéville writes. Note the kid whose story could be equally argued to be saying that literacy will inadvertently lead to death. The guy manipulating Bellis was a master spy who pretty much managed to singlehandedly infiltrate the entirety of Armada, and only got taken down by Uther Doul and the Brucolac. See above, under 'Badass' for the two of them.]]
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* UnfortunateImplications: For "The Scar": [[spoiler: Bellis is an uppity women, who seems to get her comeuppance and becomes humbled by the end. Also, women are really easy to manipulate by men, especially men they are sexually attracted to or have had sex with.]] Your opinion may vary, however.
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** Very much YMMV; [[spoiler: Bellis develops from being a complete Tsundere/jerk into a more likable character because she actually starts to aid and care about others; she's very competent and holds her own in most if not all situations. She's not so much humbled as more experienced, and only as traumatized as EVERY. SINGLE. MAIN. CHARACTER. That Mieville writes. Note the kid whose story could be equally argued to be saying that literacy will inadvertently lead to death. The guy manipulating Bellis was a master spy who pretty much managed to singlehandedly infiltrate the entirety of Armada, and only got taken down by Uther Doul and the Brucolac. See above, under 'Badass' for the two of them.]]
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* UnfortunateImplications: For "The Scar": [[spoiler: Bellis is an uppity women, woman, who seems to get her comeuppance and becomes humbled by the end. Also, women are really easy to manipulate by men, especially men they are sexually attracted to or have had sex with.]] Your opinion may vary, however.
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** Very much YMMV; [[spoiler: Bellis develops from being a complete Tsundere/jerk into a more likable character because she actually starts to aid and care about others; she's very competent and holds her own in most if not all situations. She's not so much humbled as more experienced, and only as traumatized as EVERY. SINGLE. MAIN. CHARACTER.That that Mieville writes. Note the kid whose story could be equally argued to be saying that literacy will inadvertently lead to death. The guy manipulating Bellis was a master spy who pretty much managed to singlehandedly infiltrate the entirety of Armada, and only got taken down by Uther Doul and the Brucolac. See above, under 'Badass' for the two of them.]]
** Very much YMMV; [[spoiler: Bellis develops from being a complete Tsundere/jerk into a more likable character because she actually starts to aid and care about others; she's very competent and holds her own in most if not all situations. She's not so much humbled as more experienced, and only as traumatized as EVERY. SINGLE. MAIN. CHARACTER.
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* MissedMomentOfAwesome: The book's largely about a narrator 'lost at sea' in a city that's often outside the bounds of her knowledge and understanding. The story builds up a rivalry - and an intriguing past acquaintanceship - between two overpowered badasses, and they finally get their showdown a couple of chapters from the end...but then the fight scene gets skipped entirely, and instead we get to see the aftermath at the start of the next chapter.
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* MissedMomentOfAwesome: OffscreenMomentOfAwesome: The book's largely about a narrator 'lost at sea' in a city that's often outside the bounds of her knowledge and understanding. The story builds up a rivalry - and an intriguing past acquaintanceship - between two overpowered badasses, and they finally get their showdown a couple of chapters from the end...but then the fight scene gets skipped entirely, and instead we get to see the aftermath at the start of the next chapter.
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* ImprobableWeaponUser: Uther Doul uses a sword with an attached "probability engine," which causes every strike he makes to be every possible strike he ''could'' have made. (Hence "improbable" may not be the word for it, but....)
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* MagnificentBastard: Arguably Uther Doul and The Brucolac.
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* HoYay: Some There was a mix of the stuff this and FoeYay between Uther Doul and The the Brucolac. Overlaps Mostly from the Brucolac's side. He very explicitly wonders whether Uther is a masochist, and then acts like a scorned lover through most of the novel. There's also the matter of what exactly their history together is. This pairing isn't invalidated by the ending, either.
* ImprobableWeaponUser: Uther Doul uses a sword withFoeYay.
an attached "probability engine," which causes every strike he makes to be every possible strike he ''could'' have made. (Hence "improbable" may not be the word for it, but....)
* MissedMomentOfAwesome: The book's largely about a narrator 'lost at sea' in a city that's often outside the bounds of her knowledge and understanding. The story builds up a rivalry - and an intriguing past acquaintanceship - between two overpowered badasses, and they finally get their showdown a couple of chapters from the end...but then the fight scene gets skipped entirely, and instead we get to see the aftermath at the start of the nextchapter.chapter.
* UnfortunateImplications: For "The Scar": [[spoiler: Bellis is an uppity women, who seems to get her comeuppance and becomes humbled by the end. Also, women are really easy to manipulate by men, especially men they are sexually attracted to or have had sex with.]] Your opinion may vary, however.
** Very much YMMV; [[spoiler: Bellis develops from being a complete Tsundere/jerk into a more likable character because she actually starts to aid and care about others; she's very competent and holds her own in most if not all situations. She's not so much humbled as more experienced, and only as traumatized as EVERY. SINGLE. MAIN. CHARACTER. That Mieville writes. Note the kid whose story could be equally argued to be saying that literacy will inadvertently lead to death. The guy manipulating Bellis was a master spy who pretty much managed to singlehandedly infiltrate the entirety of Armada, and only got taken down by Uther Doul and the Brucolac. See above, under 'Badass' for the two of them.]]
* ImprobableWeaponUser: Uther Doul uses a sword with
* MissedMomentOfAwesome: The book's largely about a narrator 'lost at sea' in a city that's often outside the bounds of her knowledge and understanding. The story builds up a rivalry - and an intriguing past acquaintanceship - between two overpowered badasses, and they finally get their showdown a couple of chapters from the end...but then the fight scene gets skipped entirely, and instead we get to see the aftermath at the start of the next
* UnfortunateImplications: For "The Scar": [[spoiler: Bellis is an uppity women, who seems to get her comeuppance and becomes humbled by the end. Also, women are really easy to manipulate by men, especially men they are sexually attracted to or have had sex with.]] Your opinion may vary, however.
** Very much YMMV; [[spoiler: Bellis develops from being a complete Tsundere/jerk into a more likable character because she actually starts to aid and care about others; she's very competent and holds her own in most if not all situations. She's not so much humbled as more experienced, and only as traumatized as EVERY. SINGLE. MAIN. CHARACTER. That Mieville writes. Note the kid whose story could be equally argued to be saying that literacy will inadvertently lead to death. The guy manipulating Bellis was a master spy who pretty much managed to singlehandedly infiltrate the entirety of Armada, and only got taken down by Uther Doul and the Brucolac. See above, under 'Badass' for the two of them.]]
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