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* FandomRivalry: Had a pretty big one with ''Animation/{{Pucca}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddParents'' in Latin America due to being a pretty popular show that was constanlty shuffle around different timeslot on childrent's channel Jetix before being remove entierly only three years after its premier (with some feeds of Jetix like the one from Mexico dropping the show before season 3 premier) while the two previous mentioned ones enjoyed a good decade of re-runs at good timeslots and constant marathons on weekends.
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** It also had a pretty big following in Latin America despite the poor treatment it got on Jetix. When the series was added to Netflix in 2019 (first time the series saw a wide an accesible legal release after being removed from Jetix in 2008) it quickly rise to the top 10 of most watched shows on the region despite being a decade old.
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* RonTheDeathEater: Chris Thorndyke is often viewed by fans as a selfish, spoiled brat whose life isn't all that bad as he claims it is. Chris was just a lonely kid who had abandonment issues, which kept him from handling the situation of Sonic returning to his world more positively. His loneliness is due to being neglected by his parents since he was little, as he had to spend most of his time alone inside his huge and empty mansion without friends or siblings.
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** In an example of not thinking implications through, the Japanese eye catches reveal that Chris' grandfather Chuck is 55, while his father Nelson is 43. This means Chuck had his son when he was 12 years old! The 4Kids dub went out of its way to circumvent these implications nit just by omitting these eye catches, but by rewriting Chuck as Nelson's older brother making the age gap less bizarre.
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** In an example of not thinking implications through, the Japanese eye catches reveal that Chris' grandfather Chuck is 55, while his father Nelson is 43. This means Chuck had his son when he was 12 years old! The 4Kids dub went out of its way to circumvent these implications nit not just by omitting these eye catches, but by rewriting Chuck as Nelson's older brother making the age gap less bizarre.
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** In an example of not thinking implications through, the Japanese eye catches reveal that Chris' grandfather Chuck is 55, while his father Nelson is 43. This means Chuck had his son when he was 12 years old! The 4Kids dub went out of its way to circumvent these implications nit just by omitting these eye catches, but by rewriting Chuck as Nelson's older brother making the age gap less bizarre.
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** The adaptions of the [[VideoGame/SonicAdventure Adventure]] [[VideoGame/SonicAdventure2 Games]] the anime done in Season 2. Some think they're great adaptions of the games that hit the same beats as the games and in some cases [[AdaptationExpansion do the stories better than their originals through expanding on and improving on the games foundation]]. Others think they're weak adaptions due to being [[CompressedAdaptation compressed down to fit on a television runtime]] with the show's human characters attached to them (that's already a bit of a BrokenBase), overstuffed storytelling, mostly due to only having six episodes to tell the adaptions, and lackluster animation that lost what made the Adventure Games so special.
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** The adaptions adaptations of the [[VideoGame/SonicAdventure Adventure]] [[VideoGame/SonicAdventure2 Games]] the anime done games]] in Season 2. Some think they're great adaptions adaptations of the games that hit the same beats as the games them and in some cases [[AdaptationExpansion do the stories better than their originals through expanding on and improving on the games foundation]]. Others think they're weak adaptions due to being [[CompressedAdaptation compressed down to fit on a television runtime]] with the show's human characters attached to them (that's already a bit of a BrokenBase), overstuffed storytelling, mostly due to only having six episodes to tell the adaptions, adaptations, and lackluster animation that lost what made the Adventure Games games so special.
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** In the first episode, Sonic arrives on Earth and is met by the police, one of them trying to act friendly towards him. [[Film/SonicTheHedgehog2020 It's be years later before a different Sonic would become friends with a different cop]].
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** In the first episode, Sonic arrives on Earth and is met by the police, one of them trying to act friendly towards him. [[Film/SonicTheHedgehog2020 It's be This was years later before a different Sonic would become friends with a different cop]].
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* ItWasHisSled: [[spoiler: Cosmo dies.]]
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--->'''Dr. Eggman''': All your dreams have been shattered, haven't they? Life is like that, kiddo. Take it from somebody who knows! Whenever you reach too high... Life smacks you down!
** [[spoiler: [[TragicVillain Dark Oak]] is this too. When learning his backstory, it's hard not to feel sorry for him.]]
** [[spoiler: [[TragicVillain Dark Oak]] is this too. When learning his backstory, it's hard not to feel sorry for him.]]
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--->'''Dr. Eggman''': Eggman:''' All your dreams have been shattered, haven't they? Life is like that, kiddo. Take it from somebody who knows! Whenever you reach too high... Life smacks you down!
**[[spoiler: [[TragicVillain [[spoiler:[[TragicVillain Dark Oak]] is this too. When learning his backstory, it's hard not to feel sorry for him.]]
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** Much of Amy's detractors pull from her {{Flanderization}}ed portrayal in later episodes of ''X''. Even the [[{{Retcanon}} games]] used Amy's more obsessive and clingy ''Sonic X'' personality for a while, before dialing her back around ''Sonic Generations'' and ''Sonic Lost World''.
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** Much of Amy's detractors pull from her {{Flanderization}}ed portrayal in later episodes of ''X''. Even the [[{{Retcanon}} [[RetCanon games]] used Amy's more obsessive and clingy ''Sonic X'' personality for a while, before dialing her back around ''Sonic Generations'' ''VideoGame/SonicGenerations'' and ''Sonic Lost World''.''VideoGame/SonicLostWorld''.
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** During the [[VideoGame/SonicAdventure2 Sonic Adventure 2]] arc, Eggman discovers that he was born on Earth, which could have led to an interesting backstory for him and how he got to Sonic's world. However, it's never expanded upon for the rest of the series.
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** During the [[VideoGame/SonicAdventure2 Sonic Adventure 2]] ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'' arc, Eggman discovers that he was born on Earth, which could have led to an interesting backstory for him and how he got to Sonic's world. However, it's never expanded upon for the rest of the series.
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** One of Knuckles' flaws throughout the anime is him constantly being manipulated by his enemies and ending up being tricked by them (mostly Eggman) into doing their bidding and his friends always criticize him for that and tell him that he shouldn't let people manipulate him. But they've shown that they have no qualms about playing Knuckles like a fiddle either, such as when they goaded him into playing a baseball game that Eggman was hosting when he showed reluctance in participating, and when they duped him into distracting a Metarex with a beach ball that they told him was Secco's Planet Egg which offended Knuckles when he found out (though the latter is more downplayed in the dub where instead making it about the others teasing him like in the sub, they make it more into a sympathetic insight by Cosmo over Knuckles' forgiveness to a fault).
** Chris' parents, Nelson and Lindsay Thorndyke, are painted as [[ParentalNeglect neglectful parents]] and their main flaw was that they focused too much on work and never spent any time with Chris while he was growing up. In the episode where Chris catches a cold, both Nelson and Lindsay rush to check up on him and then Chuck harshly criticizes Nelson for setting a bad example by abandoning his work and checking up on his son over such a trivial issue. While it is an exaggeration on Chris' parents' part, the fact that their main problem was focusing too much on work and now they're being criticized for taking time off of work to see Chris is so very inconsistent.
** During the campfire scene in Episode 51, Sonic says “friendship is freedom”. Which is in itself a great message, except that he spent the entire episode allowing Chris to kidnap him and drag him far away while delaying his return back to his world.
** At the end of Episode 56, Knuckles finds out that his friends tricked him into distracting a Metarex and laments about it. In the original Japanese dub Cosmo tells Knuckles that it's better to be deceived than to deceive since you can't hurt anyone that way. While a message like that would already be perceived as condescending and ignorant, it's contradicted by Knuckles fighting Sonic earlier in the episode because Eggman tricked him again.
** One of Knuckles' flaws throughout the anime is him constantly being manipulated by his enemies and ending up being tricked by them (mostly Eggman) into doing their bidding and his friends always criticize him for that and tell him that he shouldn't let people manipulate him. But they've shown that they have no qualms about playing Knuckles like a fiddle either, such as when they goaded him into playing a baseball game that Eggman was hosting when he showed reluctance in participating, and when they duped him into distracting a Metarex with a beach ball that they told him was Secco's Planet Egg which offended Knuckles when he found out (though the latter is more downplayed in the dub where instead making it about the others teasing him like in the sub, they make it more into a sympathetic insight by Cosmo over Knuckles' forgiveness to a fault).
** Chris' parents, Nelson and Lindsay Thorndyke, are painted as [[ParentalNeglect neglectful parents]] and their main flaw was that they focused too much on work and never spent any time with Chris while he was growing up. In the episode where Chris catches a cold, both Nelson and Lindsay rush to check up on him and then Chuck harshly criticizes Nelson for setting a bad example by abandoning his work and checking up on his son over such a trivial issue. While it is an exaggeration on Chris' parents' part, the fact that their main problem was focusing too much on work and now they're being criticized for taking time off of work to see Chris is so very inconsistent.
** During the campfire scene in Episode 51, Sonic says “friendship is freedom”. Which is in itself a great message, except that he spent the entire episode allowing Chris to kidnap him and drag him far away while delaying his return back to his world.
** At the end of Episode 56, Knuckles finds out that his friends tricked him into distracting a Metarex and laments about it. In the original Japanese dub Cosmo tells Knuckles that it's better to be deceived than to deceive since you can't hurt anyone that way. While a message like that would already be perceived as condescending and ignorant, it's contradicted by Knuckles fighting Sonic earlier in the episode because Eggman tricked him again.
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** One of Knuckles' flaws throughout the anime is him constantly being manipulated by his enemies and ending up being tricked by them (mostly Eggman) into doing their bidding and his friends always criticize him for that and tell him that he shouldn't let people manipulate him. But they've shown that they have no qualms about playing Knuckles like a fiddle either, such as when they goaded him into playing a baseball game that Eggman was hosting when he showed reluctance in participating, and when they duped him into distracting a Metarex with a beach ball that they told him was Secco's Planet Egg which offended Knuckles when he found out (though the latter is more downplayed in the dub where instead making it about the others teasing him like in the sub, they make it more into a sympathetic insight by Cosmo over Knuckles' forgiveness to a fault).
** Chris' parents, Nelson and Lindsay Thorndyke, are painted as [[ParentalNeglect neglectful parents]] and their main flaw was that they focused too much on work and never spent any time with Chris while he was growing up. In the episode where Chris catches a cold, both Nelson and Lindsay rush to check up on him and then Chuck harshly criticizes Nelson for setting a bad example by abandoning his work and checking up on his son over such a trivial issue. While it is an exaggeration on Chris' parents' part, the fact that their main problem was focusing too much on work and now they're being criticized for taking time off of work to see Chris is so very inconsistent.
**DontShootTheMessage: During the campfire scene in Episode 51, Sonic says “friendship is freedom”. Which is in itself a great message, except that he spent the entire episode allowing Chris to kidnap him and drag him far away while delaying his return back to his world.
** At the end of Episode 56, Knuckles finds out that his friends tricked him into distracting a Metarex and laments about it. In the original Japanese dub Cosmo tells Knuckles that it's better to be deceived than to deceive since you can't hurt anyone that way. While a message like that would already be perceived as condescending and ignorant, it's contradicted by Knuckles fighting Sonic earlier in the episode because Eggman tricked him again.world.
** One of Knuckles' flaws throughout the anime is him constantly being manipulated by his enemies and ending up being tricked by them (mostly Eggman) into doing their bidding and his friends always criticize him for that and tell him that he shouldn't let people manipulate him. But they've shown that they have no qualms about playing Knuckles like a fiddle either, such as when they goaded him into playing a baseball game that Eggman was hosting when he showed reluctance in participating, and when they duped him into distracting a Metarex with a beach ball that they told him was Secco's Planet Egg which offended Knuckles when he found out (though the latter is more downplayed in the dub where instead making it about the others teasing him like in the sub, they make it more into a sympathetic insight by Cosmo over Knuckles' forgiveness to a fault).
** Chris' parents, Nelson and Lindsay Thorndyke, are painted as [[ParentalNeglect neglectful parents]] and their main flaw was that they focused too much on work and never spent any time with Chris while he was growing up. In the episode where Chris catches a cold, both Nelson and Lindsay rush to check up on him and then Chuck harshly criticizes Nelson for setting a bad example by abandoning his work and checking up on his son over such a trivial issue. While it is an exaggeration on Chris' parents' part, the fact that their main problem was focusing too much on work and now they're being criticized for taking time off of work to see Chris is so very inconsistent.
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** At the end of Episode 56, Knuckles finds out that his friends tricked him into distracting a Metarex and laments about it. In the original Japanese dub Cosmo tells Knuckles that it's better to be deceived than to deceive since you can't hurt anyone that way. While a message like that would already be perceived as condescending and ignorant, it's contradicted by Knuckles fighting Sonic earlier in the episode because Eggman tricked him again.
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** Plenty of fans have noted that the show's attempt to {{Bowdlerize}} Maria's death in Episode 37 of the dub, i.e. cutting out Mr. Smith firing his gun at Maria in particular, actually made it feel more artistically emotional, giving off a ShowDontTell feeling to it while still making it very clear what happened, especially with the hard cut to the present and Mr. Smith's remorse from the incident. Even with a notice from Mr. Smith that "they took her away", some fans have interpreted it as less of a typical 4Kids styled NeverSayDie censorship and more of the idea of taking away her body.
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** Plenty of fans have noted that the show's attempt to {{Bowdlerize}} Maria's death in Episode 37 of the dub, i.e. cutting out Mr. Smith firing his gun at Maria in particular, actually made it feel more artistically emotional, giving off a ShowDontTell feeling to it while still making it very clear what happened, especially with the hard cut to the present and Mr. Smith's remorse from the incident. Even with a notice from Mr. Smith that "they took her away", some fans have interpreted it as less of a typical 4Kids styled NeverSayDie censorship and more of the idea of it being DeadlyEuphemism for taking away her body.
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** Plenty of fans have noted that the show's attempt to {{Bowdlerize}} Maria's death in Episode 37 of the dub, i.e. cutting out Mr. Smith firing his gun at Maria in particular, actually made it feel more artistically emotional, giving off a ShowDontTell feeling to it while still making it very clear what happened, especially with the hard cut to the present and Mr. Smith's remorse from the incident. Even with a notice from Mr. Smith that "they took her away", some fans have interpreted it as less of a typical 4Kids styled NeverSayDie censorship and more of the idea of taking away her body.
