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YMMV: Saint Seiya
  • Angst? What Angst?: Shiryu losing his vision (for the first time...) was completely ignored by the cast in the manga. On the other hand, this is subverted in the anime when the characters are in shock upon learning of Shiryu's disability, Ikki decides he is unfit for the team and Seiya not only blames himself for this, but spends a filler episode trying to redeem himself by finding a special healing water that can return Shiryu's eyes. And it works, but much later.
  • Author's Saving Throw:
    • Kurumada was on a tight schedule, and had trouble finding ideas for his manga's next chapter. Worst examples? In the manga, after Hyoga kills Babel, the serialized chapter has him say "We will keep on fighting... even if we have to take down Athena!". Next chapter? Saori introduced as Athena. The compiled volume replaces it with "...until our flame burns out".
  • Complete Monster:
    • Cancer Deathmask, indeed. He kills people right and left constantly and casually, and sometimes without even noticing, children included. Seiya's look of utter revulsion when he discovers that and has to explain it to the blind Shiryu constitutes quite the scene, as well as how nonchalantly Deathmask shrugs it off. His pinnacle of monstrosity comes when he attempts to kill Shiryu's adoptive sister Shunrei, sending the always calm Shiryu into such a My Name Is Inigo Montoya moment that the scene becomes Shiryu's Crowning Moment of Awesome since it's the first sight of a seriously pissed off Shiryu - and it's self-admitted, too!
    • Delta Megrez Alberich from the Asgard Saga also qualifies as this. Easily the only unsympathetic Odin Warrior without anything similar to Pet the Dog moments, as well as incredibly manipulative and selfish. To the point that while all other God Warriors fought for Hilda's sake, truly thinking they were doing the right thing, Alberich knew exactly what was going on and planned to kill everyone involved, so he could retrieve the seven Odin Stones to resurrect the Odin Cloth and kill Hilda himself.
  • Crowning Music of Awesome:
  • Deader Than Disco: The Asgard arc has never been adapted in a video game even though some tend to also feature anime-only characters like the Steel Saints.
  • Die for Our Ship:
    • The Hyoga/Shun shippers are ferocious towards Freya.
    • And the Seiya/Shaina shippers hate Saori.
    • The Shiryu/Seiya and Shiryu/Mu fans that bash Shunrei, or the Saori/Seiya fans that hate on Miho despite how the poor Shy Blue-Haired Girl is firmly put in the Unlucky Childhood Friend role.
  • Ensemble Darkhorse:
    • Shiryu constantly tops the popularity polls in Japan when the manga was published.
    • The Gold Saints, definitely. Most fanfiction is about them.
    • Also the Crystal Saint.
    • Ikki may not be big in Japan, but he certainly is in the West, particularly South America, where he is regarded as the manliest of all the Saints.
    • After Scylla Eo was revealed to be from Chile (more exactly, from Isla San Felix), he became quite the hit between Chilean fans. If you go to Tumblr, you'll see that this has reached Memetic Mutation levels, as some Eo photosets have him speaking in Chilean Spanish slang.
    • Something similar happens in Brazil, homeland of Gold Saint Aldebaran.
    • In Argentina, with Albiore (Shun's teacher), specially with the anime version of the character, which was portrayed as "one of the few silver saints with a power near a golden one", and also since he is considered a bishonen character by many female fans (except the manga version, which is...ugh...very different)
    • The very sparely featured Chameleon June is very popular for such a minor character.
  • Epileptic Trees: The Tenkai Hen movie's ending. It was meant to be the first chapter of a trilogy resulting in that confusing climax which goes from Seiya fighting Apolo to Seiya travelling to an unknown area without memories... to Seiya figthing Apolo with a Cloth never seen before.
  • Fandom Rivalry:
    • In Brazil, against Dragon Ball. In the rest of Latin America, vs. Sailor Moon.
    • In Latin America there is still an ongoing battle between Dragon Ball and Saint Seiya fans also...
  • Fanon Discontinuity: Got plenty of them to choose from. Some fans might refuse to acknowledge Episode G as being part of the canon Saint Seiya universe, others might do the same or add to the discarded list the Lost Canvas. Some fans can write out of their minds characters used during fillers or specific to the anime or manga. And then you have the movies. You can add to that the Hades, Inferno and Elysium OVAs.
  • Fanon:
    • Due to the age of the series and the fact that it was posted on the Internet more than ten years ago, a lot of people actually believe that Deathmask's real name is "Angelo". It's a deliciously ironic name, granted, but it's not stated anywhere in the actual series. The idea about true Deathmask's name as "Angelo" was popularized in the famous Saint Seiya based site of Stayka. And although it is true it's not canon, many fans still prefer call him in that way (after all... he NEEDS a name)
    • There is actually so much of this that there is an entire Fan Wiki!
  • Fan-Preferred Couple:
    • Seiya and Shaina have way more fans than the almost Official Couple Seiya and Saori.
    • Also, Aioria/Marin.
    • On the Yaoi side of things, there is Hyoga/Shun (who have Ship Tease with several girls) and Camus/Milo as two of the most popular couples.
    • Saori's Official Couple status with Seiya is often shunned in favour of pairing her up with either Saga or Kanon, despite the two being 28 and Saori being 13.
    • Deathmask and Aphrodite are popular for sharing the trait of being the only genuinely evil Gold Saints. It's helped by the fact that they're always seen together in the OVAs.
  • Fashion-Victim Villain: The Ghost Saints.
  • Fridge Brilliance: The main five Bronze saints' constellations are Pegasus, Dragon, Andromeda, Cygnus and Phoenix. The first four are visible only in the Northern hemisphere. Phoenix is only visible in the Southern hemisphere. Suddenly, Ikki not hanging around his True Companions makes a lot more sense, eh?
  • Fridge Logic:
    • How Marin reaches the Piscis Temple so easily without fighting other Saints?
    • How does Ikki teleport to the Virgo Temple if psychic powers are useless?
    • Is blindness so bad for Shiryu when female Saints are able to fight with their eyes covered?
    • Aphrodite is the only person invulnerable to his deadly roses. Saint Seiya: The Lost Canvas tried to explain this when it was brought up by a character.
    • Athena forbids the use of weapons but the Dragon, Andromeda, Hydra and several Silver Cloths clearly come with weapons (also the Libra golden saint can and WILL use his shields as protection during battle)
  • Germans Love David Hasselhoff: Virtually unknown in the US, big success in Japan... massive hit in Europe (at least countries with Latin-based language, like France, Spain and Italy) and Latin America.
  • God-Mode Sue: Virgo Shaka has the title of the closest man to God. Even Word of God believes he is the strongest Saint. In his first manga appearance he curbstomps Ikki by just enhancing his Cosmos. In the Virgo Temple, he curbstomps Seiya, Shun and Shiryu while Ikki is nearly killed several times. Ikki instead has to use a Kamikaze Attack to transport Shaka to another dimension alongside him to end the battle. However, Shaka later reveals he could return to the Virgo Temple but wanted Mu's help to rescue Ikki too. Then in the Hades arc, Shaka manages to overpower three Gold Saints (one of them happens to be former Big Bad Gemini Saga!) at the same time and forces them to use a forbidden technique, Athena Exclamation, to make him fake his death through his 8th sense. It should be noted that even before taking Athena Exclamation, Shaka had a chance to end the battle but decided to stop.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight: The Latin-American TV dub for the Hades Saga has Seiya voiced by Irwin Daayan. Irwin's break-out role, 12 years ago, was... another Seiya.
    • In Asgard Saga, we learn that people from there believe that having twins is a sign of bad luck. Do you remember who was the Big Bad from the Sanctuary Arc?
  • Ho Yay:
    • Episode 59 is extremely guilty of this, as Shun volunteered to warm Hyoga's frozen body in the Libra house with his own body, and how! Can you blame the Yaoi Fangirls? And no, even if you don't see much slash ship tease (as this series was done before the Ho Yay subtext years), you can't deny that the fandom loves their Ho Yay and denying it is as useless as using a hand to block the sun.
    • Most Silver Saints proclaim that they are out to avenge Misty and the others. One wonders: "How come he was so popular?"
    • Milo and Camus have this in spades, and the anime ramped it Up to Eleven.
    • Dohko and Shion, oh so very much, even if there were a few mere scenes in the Hades saga. And then came Lost Canvas...
  • Internet Backdraft: Fans are NOT happy with the fact that New Video Group is releasing the TV series (due to them only releasing dubbed only stuff) and think Discotek Media should have gotten it.
    • they may be even MORE miffed at the fact that New Video Group's release will be subtitled-only, disposing of all evidence of the dub's existence, though there is hope that if sales are good, they might reconsider.
  • LGBT Fanbase: The amount of yaoi fan-artnote  and fan-fiction of this series is quite incredible.
  • Magnificent Bastard:
    • Saga, under the effects of his Split Personality. Debates are wild over whether it could be Hades, though this has never been explicitly stated (manga vol 13 shows a soul leaving a cleansed Saga ; manga vol 26 showed Shun getting black hair and Ikki pointing out the same thing happened to Saga), though Word of God seem to imply that Saga always was this screwed up all along. Probably a case of author changing his mind at some point.
    • Also, Shaka. And his Heel-Face Turn does not make him less manipulative. Shaka's manipulative way in some way is because he manages to fool three gold saints to kill him by taunting them, they are pretty much beaten by Tenbu Hourin and what else they had been through to pretend betraying their beloved goddess. They cried Manly Tears for him in a sense for nothing because he is pretty much alive, he fooled everyone in sanctuary except Athena, Shion and Dohko. But then again he gave a clue to Athena and the old saint already knew about 8th sense. This is also considered Nice Job Breaking It, Hero because as a direct result of his plan the six gold saints left and the bronze saints almost killed themselves for the sake of revenge. Good grief no one died. Although he probably knew they wouldn't kill anyone.
    • Radamanthys.
  • Memetic Mutation:
    • The Mexican Spanish dub is full of this, especially Death Mask calling Shiryu evil for burning his hand. Once again, the pot called the kettle black.
    • From the Latin American Spanish dub: "DANCEN ROSAS PIRAŅAS, AAAAAAHHHH!" ("DANCE, PIRANHA ROSES, AAAAAAHHHH!", a parody of Aphrodite calling his Black Rose attack), "MUERE SEIYAAAAA!" ("DIE, SEIYAAAAAA!", which was delivered by Saga's LA-VA in an extremely hammy manner), and a Gag Dub of the first OP that parodies the Ho Yay in the series.
    • The "DIE, SEIYAAAAAA!" meme exists among the Portuguese-speaking fans as well, complete with a short video of Saga's Brazilian VA delivering the line - with a twist. You know it's a meme when even Adult Goku's VA says it!
      • Translating for english speakers, he says "Die, Seiya, you fag!". Even funnier considering that Saga's VA is Seiya's VA's father.
    • Saint Sea Hat[1], courtesy of the one and only Buffalax. This resulted in an expanded version with animutation-like visuals by Jezero[2] and a French version called C'est une Sega![3]
  • Memetic Molester: Saori, after infamous scene that she use kid Jabu to riding over him.
  • Moe: Shunrei
  • Narm: Now with its own page.
  • Never Live It Down: One would think that Shiryu is only known for losing his sight.
  • Recycled Script: The movies really like to play with this. Fans can easily summarize the plot: 1. Big Bad shows up, 2. Saori either is kidnapped or offers herself as a hostage to save her friends again, 3. Seiya and friends fight Big Bad's soldiers, 4. Ikki shows up to save Shun, 5. Seiya and friends reach the bad guy, 6. Seiya wears the Sagittarius Cloth, kills the villain and saves Saori.
  • Seasonal Rot:
    • The anime started losing popularity during The Filler arc Asgard. It was a Tough Act to Follow considering the previous arc received Sanctuary arc. The fact that Michi Himeno replaced Shingo Araki as character designer wasn't the problem. The issue was that most fights became quite longer and there was a lot of screen time focused on the enemies' backstories which would become pointless considering everybody dies in contrast to the Gold Saints who remained as mysterious yet popular characters with some of them still being prominent in later arcs
    • Although the Hades Sanctuary OVAs were well received for its animation and new scenes, the following ones involving the Underworld and Elysium generated a lot of Internet Backdraft. This was due to the change of several staff members, most notably the director and the main voice actors (although it's worth some were old to do their characters while Shiryu's VA had died and Seiya's VA returned only to voice his older persona from Saint Seiya Omega). Another big issue with the Underworld and Elysium OVAs is that the animation quality was inferior to Sanctuary and there were no new scenes that further explored the cast's Character Development as in Sanctuary.
  • The Scrappy:
    • Seiya. Hot-Blooded, Determinator and Idiot Hero can only be tolerated to a certain point, and Seiya unfortunately goes well past that point. Depends on the locality the show is airing in, but a large part of the western fanbase hate him.
    • Saori is reviled by "fandom feminists" who hate how she prefers to act as The Strategist, use her Healing Hands and become a Barrier Maiden, rather than being an Action Girl like the female Saints. This apparently makes her "an useless Load and Distressed Damsel without any value for the show"... never mind that the *real* Goddess Athena (Goddess of Strategy and Defensive Warfare) acted like that in Greek mythology, guiding the heroes and planning their strategies rather than fighting unless it was really needed, and that Saori herself always was the one to deliver the Finishing Move on the Big Bad, after going through lots of crap to help the guys as much as she can.
    • We also have, among the Golden Saints, Cancer Deathmask for being an outright Complete Monster (see above), and Pisces Aphrodite being bashed for being a ruthless Gorgeous George who fights with poisoned roses and not with hand-to-hand techniques. The Hades Saga even seem to confirm both as Scrappies. Both Aphrodite and Deathmask go down like chumps early in the Hades chapter, and get re-re-re-killed by one of the Judges upon arriving in the underworld with a single attack. Sure, they had also gone good along with the other resurrected saints and were trying to get close to Hades to kill him, but both were disposed of as quickly as most second string Spectres.
      • Aphrodite's rose attack was the source of an absolutely hilarious Memetic Mutation in Latin America. "DANCEN, ROSAS PIRAŅAS, AAAAAAH!"
    • And last, Shun is a Scrappy for being The Chick in the Five-Man Band and a Technical Pacifist with girly looks and a pink armor. He's kinda Rescued from the Scrappy Heap in the Hades Saga, but still has lots of haters.
    • Poor Shun was doomed from day one. His Andromeda cloth had boobs. In France and Portugal, the dubbing made it even worse. Shun was actually voiced by a woman in the very first episodes, until the dubbing studio realised he was Ikki's brother. The Indonesian dub is even worse, he continues to be voiced by a WOMAN, despite explicitly saying that he's a man, and he's not being voiced in the tone of a woman trying to sound like a young man, but a woman sounding like, you know, a woman.
  • Seinfeld Is Unfunny: People who are seeing the series for the first time recently suffer from this. Probably one of the reasons of why it tanked on the USA... that, and the censorship.
  • Ship-to-Ship Combat:
    • First we have het shippers that, i.e, trash either Saori or Shaina due to their common interest in Seiya: Shaina is "a stalker and a bitch", Saori is "pathetic and not feminist enough". And everyone hates Miho.
    • Then we have the Het Is Ew camp, which denies any positive and possible romantic influence the girls may have on the guys. Shun/Hyoga shippers are really bad about it, bashing Princess Freya despite how much of a Plucky Girl she is and hissing at the mere mentions of Shun's Unlucky Childhood Friend Jun.
    • And then we go to the Yaoi fangirls. Which guy is the right one for the male they ship around? These can get very, very bloody: i.e. you do NOT go into the path of a Shiryu/Seiya fangirl and tell her Shiryu should go with Mu instead without expecting at least some snark, and at worst some flames.
  • Sliding Scale of Anime Obscurity: Level 0 in South America, level 1 in Japan and Europe, level 4 in North America.
  • So Bad, It's Good: DiC Entertainment's English dub. All of the voices, really, but especially Hyoga (they gave him a surfer accent) and Ikki, whose deep voice is hilariously over-the-top. All the failed attempts to censor the show (blue/purple blood, flashes instead of punches) just make it more awesome, and the appropriately 80s theme song is just icing on the cake.
  • Surprisingly Improved Sequel: The Poseidon arc was better received than the Asgard due to the former being an adaptation of the manga rather than filler. This was also due to faster paced fights, Shun being Rescued from the Scrappy Heap by being the only Bronze Saint who takes down two Generals, and Seiya, Shiryu and Hyoga wearing the Gold Cloths together for the first time in one overwhelming finale in which Saori finally stops being a Damsel in Distress.
    • The Hades Sanctuary OVAs also get this for its improved animation, the return of famous recurring characters, the new scenes exploring the Bronze Saints as well as the well delivered soundtrack. However, next OVAs did not receive the same praise (see Seasonal Rot).
  • Uncanny Valley: Eurydice's entirely creepy. She's granite from the shoulders down, for crying out loud! Poor girl.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: Say with me - AIOROS AS A SPECTER!
  • Too Dumb to Live: For the love of Athena, Shiryu. Just because somebody your shield was destroyed it doesn't mean your entire Cloth is useless. Wear it or your enemy will get the chance to hit your heart living you almost dead. Oh wait, that happens in his first fight!
  • The Woobie: June, Seika, Esmeralda and Eurydice.
  • Villain Sue:
    • Some of the Gold Saints are seen as this with Virgo Shaka being one of the worst examples.
    • Saga even beats Shaka. He is responsible for most of the catastrophes across the series but at the end of the first arc everybody feels bad for him as they state he suffered the most. As a result, some see his twin brother Kanon as a more likable character since unlike Saga, Kanon openly admits how evil he is and rather than killing himself he intends to dedicate his entire life to Athena and be judged once he dies.
  • What an Idiot: Seriously, Julian? Are you leaving the amphora right next to Saori? Wasn't there a better place to hide like your pillow?
  • Woolseyism: The Italian dub, see that article for further information.

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