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* To ''VideoGame/StarCraft''. The three factions are analogous to the Terrans, Zerg and Protoss: Terrans/Vinci use technology, Zerg/Alin use biological powers/magic, and Protoss/Cuotl use a mixture of the two. Their gameplay styles are are also similar.
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* FollowTheLeader: To ''VideoGame/StarCraft''. The three factions are analogous to the Terrans, Zerg and Protoss: Terrans/Vinci use technology, Zerg/Alin use biological powers/magic, and Protoss/Cuotl use a mixture of the two. Their gameplay styles are are also similar.
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* FollowTheLeader: To ''VideoGame/AgeOfMythology'' in very much the same vein by taking a RTS franchise format with a conventional/realistic army premise and applying fantastical elements to it while retaining the basic game structure and also adding a story campaign.
* To ''VideoGame/StarCraft''. The three factions are analogous to the Terrans, Zerg and Protoss: Terrans/Vinci use technology, Zerg/Alin use biological powers/magic, and Protoss/Cuotl use a mixture of the two. Their gameplay styles are are also similar.
* To ''VideoGame/StarCraft''. The three factions are analogous to the Terrans, Zerg and Protoss: Terrans/Vinci use technology, Zerg/Alin use biological powers/magic, and Protoss/Cuotl use a mixture of the two. Their gameplay styles are are also similar.
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This is simply untrue.
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* PlayTheGameSkipTheStory: The story told over the three campaigns is a fairly dull turn of events which seems more like an ExcusePlot than anything else. Thankfully, the gameplay more than makes up for it.
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dewicking Frickin Laser Beams
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* EvilIsCool: The Doge, especially in quick matches where the player gets to control him as one of their heroes. He upgrades siege units and increases the rate of unit production when he levels up, has a custom structure which produces more powerful versions of Vinci Imperial Musketeers and easy-to-mass-produce {{Chicken Walker}}s which increase in power along with him and and provides the brute force play that [[TheHero Giacomo]] just can't. Not to mention that his basic attack and two of his abilities involve the use of FrickinLaserBeams!
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* EvilIsCool: The Doge, especially in quick matches where the player gets to control him as one of their heroes. He upgrades siege units and increases the rate of unit production when he levels up, has a custom structure which produces more powerful versions of Vinci Imperial Musketeers and easy-to-mass-produce {{Chicken Walker}}s which increase in power along with him and and provides the brute force play that [[TheHero Giacomo]] just can't. Not to mention that his basic attack and two of his abilities involve the use of FrickinLaserBeams![[EnergyWeapon Frickin' Laser Beams]]!
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* FollowTheLeader: To ''VideoGame/StarCraft''. The three factions are analogous to the Terrans, Zerg and Protoss: Terrans/Vinci use technology, Zerg/Alin use biological powers/magic, and Protoss/Cuotl use a mixture of the two. Their gameplay styles are are also similar.
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if it's deliberate it's a Heroic Sacrifice and thus not an example
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* WhatAnIdiot: Carlini, [[spoiler:weilding only a sabre, taunts and challenges Czin, an intergalactic alien conqueror with semi-godlike technology. Guess who loses this fight]].
** [[spoiler: to be fair, Carlini almost certainly knew it was suicidal, but Giacomo was seriously injured, and his first priority would be to protect his Lord. his sacrifice brought time for their forces to regroup, and diverted the false god's attention away from the injured prince (who was right NEXT to Czin's objective) ]]
** [[spoiler: to be fair, Carlini almost certainly knew it was suicidal, but Giacomo was seriously injured, and his first priority would be to protect his Lord. his sacrifice brought time for their forces to regroup, and diverted the false god's attention away from the injured prince (who was right NEXT to Czin's objective) ]]
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Is Giacomo an IdealHero as he is presented, or a ByronicHero who indirectly (or directly) slaughtered thousands of people -- including some that had nothing against him -- to get his revenge?
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternateCharacterInterpretation:
** Is Giacomo an IdealHero as he is presented, or a ByronicHero who indirectly (or directly) slaughtered thousands of people -- including some that had nothing against him -- to get his revenge?
** Is Giacomo an IdealHero as he is presented, or a ByronicHero who indirectly (or directly) slaughtered thousands of people -- including some that had nothing against him -- to get his revenge?
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* WhatAnIdiot: [[spoiler: Carlini, weilding only a sabre, taunts and challenges Czin, an intergalactic alien conqueror with semi-godlike technology. Guess who loses this fight]].
** [[spoiler:A special case of CutsceneIncompetence and a bitter one is that if you skilled him in sniping, he could have either landed a OneHitKO on Czin or damaged him enough to make him think twice. Also all points you spend on him are LostForever!]]
** [[spoiler: to be fair, Carlini almost certainly knew it was suicidal, but Giacomo was seriously injured, and his first priority would be to protect his Lord. his sacrifice brought time for their forces to regroup, and Diverted the false god's attention away from the injured prince (who was right NEXT to Czin's objective) ]]
** [[spoiler:A special case of CutsceneIncompetence and a bitter one is that if you skilled him in sniping, he could have either landed a OneHitKO on Czin or damaged him enough to make him think twice. Also all points you spend on him are LostForever!]]
** [[spoiler: to be fair, Carlini almost certainly knew it was suicidal, but Giacomo was seriously injured, and his first priority would be to protect his Lord. his sacrifice brought time for their forces to regroup, and Diverted the false god's attention away from the injured prince (who was right NEXT to Czin's objective) ]]
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* WhatAnIdiot: [[spoiler: Carlini, weilding [[spoiler:weilding only a sabre, taunts and challenges Czin, an intergalactic alien conqueror with semi-godlike technology. Guess who loses this fight]].
** [[spoiler:A special case of CutsceneIncompetence and a bitter one is that if you skilled him in sniping, he could have either landed a OneHitKO on Czin or damaged him enough to make him think twice. Also all points you spend on him are LostForever!]]
** [[spoiler: to be fair, Carlini almost certainly knew it was suicidal, but Giacomo was seriously injured, and his first priority would be to protect his Lord. his sacrifice brought time for their forces to regroup, and Diverted diverted the false god's attention away from the injured prince (who was right NEXT to Czin's objective) ]]
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** [[spoiler: to be fair, Carlini almost certainly knew it was suicidal, but Giacomo was seriously injured, and his first priority would be to protect his Lord. his sacrifice brought time for their forces to regroup, and Diverted the false god's attention away from the injured prince (who was right NEXT to Czin's objective) ]]
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** [[spoiler: A special case of reversed CutscenepowerToTheMax and a bitter one is that if you skilled him in sniping, he could have either landed a OneHitKO on Czin or damaged him enough to make him think twice. Also all points you spend on him are {{lost forever}}!]]
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** [[spoiler: A [[spoiler:A special case of reversed CutscenepowerToTheMax CutsceneIncompetence and a bitter one is that if you skilled him in sniping, he could have either landed a OneHitKO on Czin or damaged him enough to make him think twice. Also all points you spend on him are {{lost forever}}!]]LostForever!]]
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* ThatOneBoss: Go ahead and try and fight the Doge's and his private army in the first campaign and see how well that works out for you. Just be glad [[SkippableBoss he doesn't show up to defend his capital]] in the final mission.
* ThatOneSidequest: Finishing "Stranglehold" during Gorilla Warfare on Tough. Expect to do a lot of [[SaveScumming Save Scumming]] even if you do you use [[TooAwesomeToUse mind control]] on the bad guy's [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast City Of Vengeance]]
* ThatOneSidequest: Finishing "Stranglehold" during Gorilla Warfare on Tough. Expect to do a lot of [[SaveScumming Save Scumming]] even if you do you use [[TooAwesomeToUse mind control]] on the bad guy's [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast City Of Vengeance]]
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* ThatOneBoss: Go ahead and try and fight the Doge's Doge and his private army in the first campaign and see how well that works out for you. Just be glad [[SkippableBoss he doesn't show up to defend his capital]] in the final mission.
* ThatOneSidequest: Finishing "Stranglehold" during Gorilla Warfare on Tough. Expect to do a lot of[[SaveScumming Save Scumming]] SaveScumming even if you do you use [[TooAwesomeToUse mind control]] on the bad guy's [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast City Of Vengeance]]
* ThatOneSidequest: Finishing "Stranglehold" during Gorilla Warfare on Tough. Expect to do a lot of
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** WhatMeasureIsAMook
** WhatMeasureIsAMook
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Is Giacomo an IdealHero as he is presented, or a TroubledButCute ByronicHero who indirectly (or directly) slaughtered thousands of people, people -- including some that had nothing against him, him -- to get his revenge ?
revenge?
**WhatMeasureIsAMookAre the Cuotl "Gods" really just evil alien jackasses invading and conquering Aio for their mysterious masters, or do Xil, Ix and Shok see themselves as benevolent dictators by the standards of [[BlueAndOrangeMorality a complex alien code of ethics]], with Czin simply being [[TokenEvilTeammate a bad egg in an otherwise good bundle]]?
* EvilIsCool: The Doge, especially in quick matches where the player gets to control him as one of their heroes. He upgrades siege units and increases the rate of unit production when he levels up, has a custom structure which produces more powerful versions of Vinci Imperial Musketeers and easy-to-mass-produce {{Chicken Walker}}s which increase in power along with him and and provides the brute force play that [[TheHero Giacomo]] just can't. Not to mention that his basic attack and two of his abilities involve the use of FrickinLaserBeams!
* PlayTheGameSkipTheStory: The story told over the three campaigns is a fairly dull turn of events which seems more like an ExcusePlot than anything else. Thankfully, the gameplay more than makes up for it.
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* EvilIsCool: The Doge, especially in quick matches where the player gets to control him as one of their heroes. He upgrades siege units and increases the rate of unit production when he levels up, has a custom structure which produces more powerful versions of Vinci Imperial Musketeers and easy-to-mass-produce {{Chicken Walker}}s which increase in power along with him and and provides the brute force play that [[TheHero Giacomo]] just can't. Not to mention that his basic attack and two of his abilities involve the use of FrickinLaserBeams!
* PlayTheGameSkipTheStory: The story told over the three campaigns is a fairly dull turn of events which seems more like an ExcusePlot than anything else. Thankfully, the gameplay more than makes up for it.
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** [[spoiler: A special case of reversed CutscenepowerToTheMax and a bitter one is, if you skilled him in sniping, so he could practically one-shot this guy with no problems. Also all points you spend on him are gone forever!]].
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The game was released practically half made. There were designs not for one, but three different "fourth races", one of which was to be included in the game. That means that an entire quarter of the storyline, and entire quarter of the units and heroes and strategies and game mechanics, never saw the light of day. Each of the three "theoretical races" seems to have been at least as original and well thought out as the three that made it into the game... The Kahan were based upon Mongolian culture and mythology, and might have had mobile cities on the back of enormous beasts of burden (and in fact, the map editor still has some icons for their heroes and units). The Skald were based on Finnish mythology with touches of Slavic and Norse, and built cities of ice. Least detailed and most mysterious are the Kragar, which appear to have been some kind of race of bestial giants.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The game was released practically half made. There were designs not for one, but three different "fourth races", one of which was to be included in the game. That means that an entire quarter of the storyline, and entire quarter of the units and heroes and strategies and game mechanics, never saw the light of day. Each of the three "theoretical races" seems to have been at least as original and well thought out as the three that made it into the game... The Kahan were based upon Mongolian culture and mythology, and might have had mobile cities on the back of enormous beasts of burden (and in fact, the map editor still has some icons for their heroes and units). The Skald were based on Finnish mythology with touches of Slavic and Norse, and built cities of ice. Least detailed and most mysterious are the Kragar, which appear to have been some kind of race of bestial giants.
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** [[spoiler: A special case of reversed CutscenepowerToTheMax and a bitter one is, is that if you skilled him in sniping, so he could practically one-shot this guy with no problems. have either landed a OneHitKO on Czin or damaged him enough to make him think twice. Also all points you spend on him are gone forever!]].
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The game was released practically half made. There were designs not for one, but three different "fourth races", one of which was to be included in the game. That means that an entire quarter of the storyline, and entire quarter of the units and heroes and strategies and game mechanics, never saw the light of day. Each of the three "theoretical races" seems to have been at least as original and well thought out as the three that made it into the game... The Kahan were based upon Mongolian culture and mythology, and might have had mobile cities on the back of enormous beasts of burden (and in fact, the map editor still has some icons for their heroes and units). The Skald were based on Finnish mythology with touches of Slavic and Norse, and built cities of ice. Least detailed and most mysterious are the Kragar, which appear to have been some kind of race of bestial giants.{{lost forever}}!]]
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The game was released practically half made. There were designs not for one, but three different "fourth races", one of which was to be included in the game. That means that an entire quarter of the storyline, and entire quarter of the units and heroes and strategies and game mechanics, never saw the light of day. Each of the three "theoretical races" seems to have been at least as original and well thought out as the three that made it into the game... The Kahan were based upon Mongolian culture and mythology, and might have had mobile cities on the back of enormous beasts of burden (and in fact, the map editor still has some icons for their heroes and units). The Skald were based on Finnish mythology with touches of Slavic and Norse, and built cities of ice. Least detailed and most mysterious are the Kragar, which appear to have been some kind of race of bestial giants.
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** [[spoiler: A special case of reversed [[CutscenepowerToTheMax]] and a bitter one is, if you skilled him in sniping, so he could practically one-shot this guy with no problems. Also all points you spend on him are gone forever!]].
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** [[spoiler: A special case of reversed [[CutscenepowerToTheMax]] CutscenepowerToTheMax and a bitter one is, if you skilled him in sniping, so he could practically one-shot this guy with no problems. Also all points you spend on him are gone forever!]].forever!]].
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The game was released practically half made. There were designs not for one, but three different "fourth races", one of which was to be included in the game. That means that an entire quarter of the storyline, and entire quarter of the units and heroes and strategies and game mechanics, never saw the light of day. Each of the three "theoretical races" seems to have been at least as original and well thought out as the three that made it into the game... The Kahan were based upon Mongolian culture and mythology, and might have had mobile cities on the back of enormous beasts of burden (and in fact, the map editor still has some icons for their heroes and units). The Skald were based on Finnish mythology with touches of Slavic and Norse, and built cities of ice. Least detailed and most mysterious are the Kragar, which appear to have been some kind of race of bestial giants.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The game was released practically half made. There were designs not for one, but three different "fourth races", one of which was to be included in the game. That means that an entire quarter of the storyline, and entire quarter of the units and heroes and strategies and game mechanics, never saw the light of day. Each of the three "theoretical races" seems to have been at least as original and well thought out as the three that made it into the game... The Kahan were based upon Mongolian culture and mythology, and might have had mobile cities on the back of enormous beasts of burden (and in fact, the map editor still has some icons for their heroes and units). The Skald were based on Finnish mythology with touches of Slavic and Norse, and built cities of ice. Least detailed and most mysterious are the Kragar, which appear to have been some kind of race of bestial giants.
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* NeedsMoreLove: Indeed. To the point that it received the "Best Game No One Else Liked" Award from Voodoo Extreme.
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** [[spoiler: A special case of reversed [[CutscenepowerToTheMax]] and a bitter one is, if you skilled him in sniping, so he could practically one-shot this guy with no problems. Also all points you spend on him are gone forever!]].forever!]].
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* CompleteMonster: Both the Doge and Czin get no redeeming qualities at all. Czin may not count due to being an alien with BlueAndOrangeMorality, but still.
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* GenericDoomsdayVillain: The Doge, who gets NO other characterization than being a [[KickTheDog bastard]]. Even Czin is more developed.
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* CompleteMonster: Both the Doge and Czin get no redeeming qualities at all. Czin may not count due to being an alien with BlueAndOrangeMorality, but still.
* GenericDoomsdayVillain: The Doge, who gets NO other characterization than being a [[KickTheDog bastard]]. Even Czin is more developed.
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* CompleteMonster: Both the Doge and Czin get no redeeming qualities at all. Czin may not count due to being an alien with BlueAndOrangeMorality, but still.
* GenericDoomsdayVillain: The Doge, who gets NO other characterization than being a [[KickTheDog bastard]]. Even Czin is more developed.
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* WhatAnIdiot: [[spoiler: Carlini, weilding only a sabre, taunts and challenges Czin, an intergalactic alien conqueror with semi-godlike technology. GUess Guess who loses this fight]].fight]].
**[[spoiler: A special case of reversed [[CutscenepowerToTheMax]] and a bitter one is, if you skilled him in sniping, so he could practically one-shot this guy with no problems. Also all points you spend on him are gone forever!]].
**[[spoiler: A special case of reversed [[CutscenepowerToTheMax]] and a bitter one is, if you skilled him in sniping, so he could practically one-shot this guy with no problems. Also all points you spend on him are gone forever!]].
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* ThatOneSidequest: Finishing "Stranglehold" during Gorilla Warfare on Tough. Expect to do a lot of [[SaveScumming Save Scumming]] even if you do you use [[TooAwesomeToUse mind control]] on the bad guy's [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast City Of Vengeance]]
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* ThatOneSidequest: Finishing "Stranglehold" during Gorilla Warfare on Tough. Expect to do a lot of [[SaveScumming Save Scumming]] even if you do you use [[TooAwesomeToUse mind control]] on the bad guy's [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast City Of Vengeance]]Vengeance]]
* WhatAnIdiot: [[spoiler: Carlini, weilding only a sabre, taunts and challenges Czin, an intergalactic alien conqueror with semi-godlike technology. GUess who loses this fight]].
* WhatAnIdiot: [[spoiler: Carlini, weilding only a sabre, taunts and challenges Czin, an intergalactic alien conqueror with semi-godlike technology. GUess who loses this fight]].
