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  • Adorkable:
    • Elesa's attempts to invoke Pungeon Master end up dive bombing her into this.
    • Iris tries to look badass in her pre-battle animation by re-enacting a dragon's roar.
    • Curtis. As he gets to know Rosa on a personal level, he begins to open up, and for someone who is a rather famous and popular TV/Radio host, he's surprisingly insecure and not at all conceited.
  • Annoying Video Game Helper: Now manifests in Bianca, who drags you halfway across the starting town in order to push you through one of the series' traditional forced tutorials.
  • Anti-Climax Boss: The boss battle against Kyurem. Being a Legendary Dragon that absorbed the version mascot would make you think quite a challenge awaits you, especially considering they have the highest (Special) Attack stat of any non-event Pokémon in this generation. Except this game is loaded with the some of the strongest Fighting-types in the series, including the Mienfoo line, the Musketeer trio and the Riolu line. And all of them have high attacking power and, with the exception of Lucario, all of them are faster than Kyurem.
  • Awesome Art: The previous games already boasted high quality graphics, but it seems as if Game Freak went out of their way to make the graphics of the sequel even more detailed. The overworld sprites have more frames of animation given to them, the general 2D artwork has more dynamic shading, and each individual trainer class that you encounter now have their own unique battle animations. Especially considering this is the final 2D Pokémon game in the mainline series before switching to 3D.
  • Awesome Music: Look here.
  • Base-Breaking Character: Shares a page with the rest of the franchise.
  • Best Boss Ever: The final battle against Champion Iris is insanely awesome, from the amazing background (which is something like fighting on a stream of lights against a starry sky) to the energetic music and the battle itself as she has a whole team of pretty tough Pokémon which can be incredibly fun to battle against, especially on Challenge Mode where those Pokémon get buffed up with items and 100-120 and even 150 power STAB attacks.
  • Best Level Ever: The Pokémon World Tournament (PWT) is often cited as a selling point for the games. It's a battle facility where the player can challenge all of the Gym Leaders and Champions in the series up to Gen V, including the ever-popular Red. Not only that, but the tournaments are available in a variety of formats and styles (including a unique ruleset where you and the opponent exchange a Pokémon with each other), can be played as many times as desired, and can be used to grind for BP.
  • Breather Boss:
    • Once again, Skyla is a huge pushover, especially considering there are a lot more options for Electric-types much earlier in the game this time.
    • Any difficulty Roxie poses early on gets virtually thrown out the window once the player acquires a Magnemite, which are quite easy to find right outside of her local town. On Challenge Mode she gets a Grimer with the moves Mud-Slap (which is doubly super effective against Magnemite and lowers accuracy, and Sonicboom can be iffy with that) and Disable (which can disable the last move you use), but it's still more than doable.
    • Marlon comes in the middle of the end game after several difficult battles against Drayden, Hugh, and Team Plasma, and ends up being much easier than the aforementioned battles due to his much more exploitable team. The only real cause of concern is the bulky nature of his Jellicent and Carracosta, and even then, it's only an issue of being walled rather than being at a genuine disadvantage.
  • Broken Base: Shares a page with the rest of the franchise.
  • Cliché Storm: The movies in general. Stereotypical villains, strange machines with weird powers, giant monsters and the like, a stereotypically selfless protagonist; you name any old movie cliché, Pokéstar Studios most likely has it. Based on the sheer cheesiness of the movies and the gross overreactions of the fans, it's likely this is intentional.
  • Contested Sequel: Some consider these to be among the best (if not the best) games in the franchise for their sheer amount of content and features, for their direct-sequel nature making them more tantalizing than the usual Updated Re-release, and for having a massive and well-distributed regional Dex. Others criticize the games for suffering from poor design that relies too much on local and (now defunct) Wi-Fi communication for their bonus features, for not doing enough to endear players to the story or characters unlike their predecessors, and for having an awkward regional Dex that seems to say, "we're saving all your favorites for Pokémon X and Y!". In a rare case for this franchise, they are also a literal contested sequel for the original Black and White. For pairs of games that are both considered the high point of the series by differing sections of fans, you can imagine that these arguments get nasty.
  • Cult Classic: Comparatively speaking. Black 2 and White 2 are among the most ignored and least widely recognized Pokémon games overall and only barely sold more than other third-version games except for Yellow, making them the worst-selling original paired titles in the series (if still incredible sellers compared to most other series). The main reasons for this are because the games came out quite literally at the end of the life cycle of the DS and were overshadowed by the Video Game 3D Leap that Pokémon X and Y (the newest games on the new 3DS) did a year later. However, they're also considered to be among, if not the greatest games in the series by devoted fans.
  • Ensemble Dark Horse: See here.
  • Fan-Disliked Explanation:
    • N is confirmed to not be Ghetsis's biological son, and wasn't stolen from his actual parents either. Some fans find this to be a rather underwhelming reveal after the climax of the last game.
    • The Shadow Triad are not the Striaton Trio, as evidenced by the flashback that shows all of them together in one room. Some fans are not happy with this, and insist that the trio was just lying. It doesn't help that the Triad themselves admit they had no real reason for visiting; they may as well have said they're just showing up to Joss the theories.
  • Fan Nickname:
    • "Hilda 2"/"Princess Leia"/"Sailor Moon" for Rosa; "Pineapple Hair" and "Palm Tree" for Nate.
    • "Mako Tsunami" and Freaky Fish Guy for Marlon, due to sharing similar visual and aquatic themes. Sometimes Blaquaman in reference to his incredible tan.
    • PokéJersey For the expanded part of Unova.
    • Due to the sinister facial expression in his artwork, some people have started calling Colress Evil Elm. Or Professor Wesker. After the promo, some even liken him to Relius due to his seiyuu.
    • Roxie has also been called Vicky. ("Icky" with a V.)
    • The rival has one of a sort. After a demo on Pokémon Smash! had the girl playing the game naming the rival "Hihihiroshi" as a joke, some fans thought it was the rival's official name. Even after the misunderstanding was cleared up, fans adopted the silly name until the official name, Hugh, arrived. Sadly, you can't name him this in the English translation due to Character Name Limits.
    • On Pixiv, Bianca with her new design has a tag that refers to her as "Berumegane."
    • A perusal of the game's music files would imply that the devteam had nicknamed Black Kyurem "Kyurom" and White Kyurem "Kyuram".
    • The Therian formes of Thundurus, Tornadus, and Landorus are referred to as Thundurus-T, Tornadus-T, and Landorus-T
    • Black Kyurem and White Kyurem are referred to as Kyurem-B and Kyurem-W, respectively. Kyurem-B is also occasionally referred to as "Kyube".
    • Ass Trainer for the female Ace Trainer, due to her butt-shaking animation.
  • Game-Breaker:
    • Magnemite, available before fighting Roxie early in the game, has the Electric/Steel typing that grants a massive amount of resistances and an immunity. When combined with decent bulk, this makes it very hard for opponents to take out. This is before taking the buffed Sturdy into account, which prevents it from being KO'd from full health. Magnemite also has a high Special Attack stat relative to how early you can find it and becomes even stronger upon evolving. Its good matchup against most Gym Leaders and other important opponents (e.g. if playing Black 2 it resists every attack Black Kyurem has) means it can practically carry you through the game.
    • You can easily grind up the levels of the shops in Join Avenue as soon as you get there by rapidly trading Magnemite with other players on the GTS, or by simply visiting other people via the Dream World. With just a few dojos/diners and the giant surplus of money you usually get in Pokémon games (Amulet Coin helps), you can remove any semblance of effort from the rest of the game.
    • Just like the Arceus event in Pokémon HeartGold and Pokémon SoulSilver, playing on a Nintendo 3DS and using Pokémon Dream Radar with a Generation IV game lets you get a Level 5 Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Lugia or Ho-Oh for use in the game with its Hidden Abilitynote  and your own Trainer ID,note  which gives you a very powerful Disc-One Nuke that continues to dominate later on in the game since its stats are higher than anything else you can obtain during the story due to Reshiram/Zekrom and Kyurem being locked away until the postgame. The best part is that this method doesn't rely on the now-defunct Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection or a second DS system, unlike other ways of obtaining older Legendary Pokémon — although the Gen IV games themselves can get fairly expensive online nowadays, especially the Johto ones.
    • Genesect as a result of a Wi-Fi event for it with the release of Black 2/White 2, allowing players to obtain one at Level 15 at the very start of the game. Even at that relatively low level, it massively outstrips every opponent in the early parts of the game — although you do need at least one badge to get it to obey you.
  • Germans Love David Hasselhoff: Black Kyurem is more popular in the West for being a Kyurem that is fused with the badass manly and gigantic-armed Zekrom.
  • Goddamned Bats: Pokémon Breeders now will rematch you with the Pokémon levels same as before whenever you walk in front of them. This gets really annoying when you're trying to get through an area you've already been to and beaten the trainers.
  • Good Bad Bugs: Pokémon Breeders will rematch the player if they reenter that route. It also applies to Small Court and Big Stadium. If a Breeder pops up there, one can beat it, get a Rare Candy, leave and come back for another fight and another Rare Candy.
  • Harsher in Hindsight:
  • Hilarious in Hindsight: Check the main page.
  • Ho Yay: When recommending shops in the Join Avenue to guests, some will specifically want to go to one with a male or female clerk. Both preferences are not exclusive to any gender.
  • Inferred Holocaust: Just how many people in Opelucid City died after the aforementioned city was frozen? Once the city thaws out, all of the NPCs the player could speak to before this happened are shown to be fine, but this leaves some room for a few off-screen deaths.
  • It's Easy, So It Sucks!:
    • Prior to the humongous Power Creep and the presence of the new Exp. Share in Generation VI, these games had arguably gotten it the worst, mostly claiming that "no opponents in the main game are a challenge", especially the Gym Leaders, Elite Four and Champion. But those people might be oblivious to the content that the first two generations had that made them easy to get through (Psychic-types and glitches in Gen I, Feraligatr in Gen II, etc).
    • This is the main reason why White 2 sells far less than Black 2. The former has access to the Easy Mode key while the latter gets the ever-coveted Challenge Mode key. To add insult to injury, these keys can only be obtained after defeating the Elite Four.
  • It's the Same, Now It Sucks!: A major point of criticism of Black 2 and White 2 was that, despite being positioned as fully-fledged sequels to Black and White, they felt like Mission Pack Sequels that reused a lot of content from their predecessors, and also reverted to a more formulaic plot setup after BW shook up the formula a bit.
  • Just Here for Godzilla: Some fans who prefer the first set of games mostly play the sequels to keep up with the competitive scene, or to get the new Pokémon formes such as Black/White Kyurem and the Therian Genies.
  • Magnificent Bastard:
    • Colress is the acting leader of Team Plasma. A scientist looking for the best way to bring out a Pokémon's strength, Colress travels across Unova and battles trainers to craft a theory for him to test out. As part of Team Plasma, Colress invents a machine to maximize the full extent of Kyurem's power and fire it upon the world, freezing Opelucid City in the process. Admitting that he doesn't care about his cruel actions, Colress engages the protagonist in battle to test out his theory on hidden potential and upon defeat allows them to face off against Ghetsis to develop his theories more. Showing no loyalty to Team Plasma or Ghetsis, Colress is such a nice person that it is easy to forget that he never regrets almost destroying Unova.
    • Pokéstar Studios films:
      • Brycen-Man series: Brycen-Man is an ambitious and hammy supervillain who seeks to Take Over the World. After his first defeat to the Riolu Kid, Brycen-Man attacks a pier as a front to steal a powerful black diamond from within an ocean liner. Though the Lucario Kid stalls him and the liner departs, Brycen-Man manages to steal the diamond anyway by swimming after the liner, using it to build his Brycen Jet and give himself tremendous power. In the final showdown against the Lucario Kid, Brycen-Man is weakened due to the diamond's effects and accepts his apparent end, but the Kid's genuine admiration for him convinces him to declare them his archrival.
      • Invaders series: E is an alien whose home planet was destroyed by a supernova, leaving the remaining members of her species homeless. Seeking to destroy all life on Earth so her people can inhabit it, E leads UFOs into the Unova region to attack people and Pokémon. Disguising as a human, E convinces the player, a member of the Unova Defense Force, to help set up a decoy UFO to lead the aliens' mothership to Earth and humanity to extermination. E is eventually forced to leave when the mothership sees Earth as dangerous, but keeps the player’s proposal for the two species to coexist in mind. In the worst endings of the final movie, E instead takes advantage of the player's emotions and turns them into her servant to assist the aliens in world conquest.
  • Memetic Badass: After the animated trailer, Nate became regarded as the most badass protagonist since Red.
  • Memetic Mutation:
    • Once people began to realize that the new parts of Unova are based on New Jersey, the Jersey Shore jokes started flooding in. Poké fist pumps!
    • A CoroCoro scan features Volkner and Steven next to each other. Due to the unfortunate placement, it looked like Volkner was grinding up against Steven. Thus, Steven/Volker became a popular pairing on /vp/ within minutes. Also, referring to Steven's "steel spoon."
    • A piece of Fan Art has Rosa posing for a picture, while the screen of the picture-taker's phone can be seen zoomed entirely on her chest. A meme has emerged of this image showing a quote or message superimposed over Rosa, with the phone repeating one portion that many people usually focus on in real life, often ignoring critical context found in the whole of the message.
  • Moe:
    • Many fans adore Rosa's donut-shaped eyes and cute hairstyle.
    • Bianca has glasses now. If there was ever any doubt before...
    • Yancy, the girl from the lost Xtransceiver sidequest, is just downright adorable.
  • Mis-blamed: Before the English release of the games, many non-Japanese-speaking fans mistranslated Ghetsis's threat to freeze the player alive as a threat to kill him/her by impaling him/her with Kyurem's icicles, which wouldn't be too out-of-character for him, and it became very widely accepted that that's what actually happens in the game. This made the English dialogue look like a Never Say "Die" Bowdlerization at first.note  Despite this, in some ways the implications of what happens are still arguably worse than the misconception...
  • Moral Event Horizon: Ghetsis becomes the first Big Bad in the main series' games to ever try to outright physically harm the protagonist, attempting to freeze them alive using Kyurem's Glaciate, with his only reasoning being that he/she was getting in his way. The original fan assumption that Ghetsis tried to kill the player in the Japanese version made him look even worse to some.
  • Narm:
    • The music in Roxie's gym. Chanting "P-O-K-É-M-O-N"note  non-stop isn't exactly the first thing that comes to people's minds when they think "underground punk rocker." The incredibly forced "ON" in Pokemon doesn't help.
    • Thanks to some dodgy writing, your rival's motivation to fight Team Plasma does come off as a bit petty and childish most of the time. Also, "I'm about to unleash my rage!" is hardly the best of catchphrases.
    • The Champion's battle sprite looks somewhat daft (may be Narm Charm for some though).
  • Nightmare Fuel:
    • The Stranger's House, which is basically an even more ominous and oppressing version of the Old Chateau.
    • Castelia Gym for those uncomfortable with clowns and webs; It even provides the best of both worlds by having one of the Harlequins randomly popping out of a cocoon.
    • One particularly unsettling instance occurs in Lostlorn Forest. A backpacker staring at a rock (very likely the same one who warned you about the disguised Zoroark from the first game) will ask you about the Pokémon Zoroark and then give you the TM95 Snarl. He'll then talk about Zoroark's visit to the forest two years ago and talk about its devious ability to create illusions. Then just as he's walking out, he suddenly transforms into a Zoroark — much to not only yours, but your character's surprise as well - and runs off immediately.
    • Ghetsis trying to use Kyurem to freeze the player character alive a la Master Xehanort from Kingdom Hearts. The animation in the scene makes it even scarier due to the floating chunks of ice spinning around and hurtling towards the hero at high speed; imagine what that would look like in real life. To some, the scene was even scarier back when the games were untranslated and fans didn't know what the characters were saying; it looked like Kyurem was actually going to brutally impale the player using pointed icicles. To others, what it was actually going to do was even scarier!
    • On that note, the ultimate fate of Ghetsis himself, who loses his mind so entirely that he is reduced to a catatonic, non-functioning vegetable in the immediate aftermath of the game. Thoroughly deserved, but no less unfathomably horrible.
    • Some of the Bad and Strange endings to some of the Pokéstar movies can be quite creepy, many even implied to result in the death of the player.
      • The Bad ending to the first of the Timegate Traveler movies has the time machine exploding, followed by the main character discovering that they have merged with their Solosis.
      • The villain for The Red Mist of Terror is pretty much an Eldritch Abomination. Even its humanoid minions are unsettlingly creepy. It even has one of its spawn use Selfdestruct/Explosion just to hamper you. Needless to say, its endings can be quite disturbing as well, the Strange Ending of one movie even resulting in the player cannibalizing a helpless woman.
  • Obvious Judas: Colress is dressed in the colors of Team Plasma (blue, black and white), is usually met in areas where Team Plasma have been operating, and is constantly talking about how his research is about drawing out the true potential of Pokémon no matter what it takes. Players are thus seldom surprised when it's revealed that he's the one Ghetsis replaced N with as acting leader of Team Plasma.
  • Rescued from the Scrappy Heap:
    • Initially, some fans disliked Nate and Rosa. But after the animated trailer, some fans warmed up to them.
    • Initially criticized for looking exactly the same, lots of people warmed up to the Kami trio after the reveal of their distinct, imaginative, and outright cool Therian Formes; instead of three identical genies, we get a bird, a dragon, and a tiger.
    • Many fans didn't like the fact that Zorua and Zoroark were event exclusives back in the original Black and White despite not having a Legendary/Mythical status. From this game onward, they aren't event exclusives anymore; Rood gives away N's Zorua in Driftveil City after you defeat him.
  • Sacred Cow: Thanks to being Vindicated by History, the games are treated this way in some Vocal Minority circles such as /vp/, to the point that the games' defenders oft forget their various flaws.
  • Salvaged Gameplay Mechanic:
    • After the backlash over the lack of older Pokémon in the BW Unova Dex, the New Unova Dex was very well-received by the fandom and, for many people, helped the Gen V Pokémon feel like a more organic part of the franchise. It helps that many of the new (old?) additions were already fan-favorites in their own right, such as the Eeveelutions, Lucario,note  Tyranitar, Heracross and Metagross, not to mention that even more National Dex Pokémon are available during the post-game.
    • The sequels also have considerably better post-game content compared to its predecessor. This includes more available legendary Pokémon to capture, access to more locations such as the Nature Preserve, being able to rebattle N after speaking with him at the Ferris Wheel on Fridays note , and newer challenges in the Pokémon World Tournament (most notably being able to challenge the gym leaders and champions from previous games like Lance and Red).
    • For the first time since Emerald, you're finally given an actual reward for completing the Pokédex. If you've seen all the Unova Pokémon (excluding Mythicals), you'll be given access to the Nature Preserve which has a shiny Haxorus you can capture. If you've captured all the Unova Pokémon, you'll be given an oval charm which'll increase the chances of there being an egg at day care. If you've captured every single Pokémon in the National Dex (again, excluding Mythicals), you'll be given a shiny charm which'll increase the chances of finding a shiny Pokémon in the wild.
    • In the first games, Zorua and Zoroark could only be captured via transferring event Celebi, Raikou, Entei, and Suicune, essentially rendering them as Mythical Pokémon when they aren't. Here, a Zorua is given to you as a gift.
  • Scrappy Mechanic:
    • The Pokémon Breeder trainer class' new gimmick is to challenge you every time you re-enter the route they're on. It wouldn't be nearly as bad if they didn't retain their normal line of sight, which ends up making traversing old routes a bit of a chore. On the other hand, the battles are typically quick and easy, making them convenient for training lower level Mons.
    • At last, there's a Hard Mode to make Pokémon difficult without players having to rely on self-imposed challenges! Except only Black 2 gets it. And only after you've already beaten all of the gym leaders and the Elite Four. And you can't unlock it and then restart the game with it. But wait, you can receive the "Challenge Key" from other players! Except there's a restriction on using Wi-Fi, so you'll have to use the DS's infrared port. Don't know someone else with Black 2, or are unwilling to purchase a second DS and copy of the game? Sucks to be you! What makes it all the more frustrating is that this comes after the games have made it easier to trade Pokémon between versions, making it appear completely arbitrary.
    • Grinding the Hidden Grottos is very time consuming. Particularly when your trying to catch the rare Pokémon that can only pop up within these Grottos. Refreshing the Grottos to get a new object to appear is only a 5% chance every 256 steps. Meaning that you could very easily walk over 5000 steps only to find out that the Hidden Grotto still hasn't refreshed. To make matters worse, you then have to deal with bypassing another random check where you need to hope that the rare Pokémon your searching for appears as the object within the Hidden Grotto rather than items or other Pokémon. The absolute worst search is the Pinsir/Heracross version exclusives where the opposite can only be caught within Lostlorn Forest's Hidden Grotto. Along with the mentioned 5% chance every 256 steps to try to refresh the Grotto, the exclusive Pinsir or Heracross only has a .75% chance of actually appearing within the Grotto compared to everything else.
  • Self-Fanservice: Like Hilda, Rosa's older (but still very young and cute) design attracted a lot of lusty fan art, most of which greatly exaggerates the size of her breasts.
  • Ships That Pass in the Night: While the two still don't interact in the game, Volkner making an appearance strengthened the Elesa/Volkner "beautiful electric gym leader" pairing. A step up from him not appearing in the prequel however.
  • Spiritual Successor: Black 2 and White 2 are loose equivalents to Pokémon Gold and Silver in that they serve as direct sequels to a fresh generation, add more Pokémon to the regional Pokédex, and make many of their predecessors' early areas visitable in the postgame. The main differences are that B2W2 take place in the same region as their predecessors and are part of the same generation, and the "new" Pokémon introduced are actually older Pokémon not native to Unova.
  • That One Achievement: Getting 10 followers in Pokémon Musicals. What sounds like a relatively innocuous Medal requirement is actually much more hassle than it's worth. In order to get the 10th follower, you must get 12,000 cumulative popularity points, which, if you were to perfectly win every Musical you partake in, would be, at minimum, 120 Musicals' worth of popularity points before you can finally get your tenth follower.
  • That One Boss: The battle against Iris on Challenge Mode is one of the hardest Champion matches in the series alongside Cynthia. Not only does she specialize in Dragon types, which are very powerful by themselves, but two of her Pokémon resist Ice moves, thus circumventing the rest of her team's main weakness. The two biggest threats are Hydreigon, which has the same moveset as Ghetsis' in the prequel and is also equipped with an item that boosts special attacks; and Haxorus, which will quickly boost its own stats with Dragon Dance before using highly damaging moves like Earthquake and Outrage to wipe out the player's party.
  • That One Sidequest:
    • The Yancy/Curtis Xtransceiver sidequest, mostly for being riddled with Guide Dang It! just to be able to contact themnote  and generally resulting in nothing major up until the player has called them back 15 times. Your reward for all the trouble? The ability to trade them any Com Mons for extremely rare mons that not only are unavailable anywhere else, but also have their Dream World abilities. Anyone with steady access to the GTS will likely pass this one up, though.
      • However, with Nintendo Wifi Connection being no longer operational, it can make this feature useful again, especially for those who have little to no access to the Generation IV games. Amplified, given the prices of games like Platinum, HeartGold, and SoulSilver on the secondhand market.
    • Earning one of the stars for the Trainer Card requires getting a good ending for almost every movie in Pokéstar Studios, but this is a lot tougher than it sounds. Filming ranges from either somewhat annoying to Luck-Based Mission because you are often at the whim of the AI's choices and other RNG shenanigans, which can screw up your filming attempt with just one out-of-place move.
    • Getting an Oval Stone to evolve that Happiny you hatch in the post-game is quite difficult. Especially for Black 2 players. In White 2, you're required to bypass a major roadblock by having to complete the entire White Treehollow battle area in order to unlock the White Forest's fourth item-store which will finally allow you to buy an Oval Stone. Or if you're extremely patient...you can grind the caves in the hopes of finding an Oval Stone from one of the dirt encounters. In Black 2, the item stores in Black City sell different items. Meaning that if you don't have someone to give you the trade key to switch Black City over to White Forest, the only way for Black 2 players to get the Oval Stone is to hope to randomly find one from a cave's dirt encounter.move.
    • The only way to get Garchomp in any Generation V game without trading or transferring is to clear the Black Tower, which is only in Black 2, upon which Benga will give the player a shiny Gible when visiting him in Floccessy Town. While not overly difficult, it can be time-consuming and requires very high-leveled Pokémon to complete. Although there are similar shiny reward Pokémon accessible by completing lengthy and difficult sidequests,note  others of their species can otherwise be caught normally in the games and are not version-exclusive, meaning that White 2 players are screwed out of a rare and popular Pokémon with no exclusive equivalent (such as Bagon, which is only available in White Forest in the original White and only if the player is lucky enough).
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks!:
    • Some fans were infuriated when they changed the "DOGARS" chants (Koffing's Japanese name) in Roxie's Gym to "POKÉM-ON".
    • Route 10 has been destroyed due to the original Victory Road collapsing, making it inaccessible. This means that the only way to hear its music is to talk to one of the people in the house in Icirrus City where the ex-Team Rocket grunt used to be. Of course, this means that you can only listen to this song during the game's Winter.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot:
    • The fact that you never get to battle Hilbert or Hilda, even in the PWT, especially when so many people were expecting it. There was even two text dumps found in the code of the game suggesting that a tournament match against one of the two may have been planned, but got Dummied Out.
    • A special Pokémon was stated to be found in the Nature Preserve. Even before there was word that it was a dragon, fans were excitedly hoping the Pokémon would be the Original Dragon, even if it couldn't be caught. It turned out to be just a Shiny Haxorus* .
    • The fact that N never really gets to do anything to fight against Ghetsis, and he wasn't his biological son or an orphan by way of parental kidnapping, really makes fans upset.
    • The animated trailer. After watching it, many fans clamored for a Truer to the Text anime based around the new games to either run alongside or replace the normal anime. In the end, the normal long-runner anime was not changed, but two mini-animes were created with this concept (Pokémon Origins and later Pokémon Generations).
    • Given that the Driftveil Drawbridge is called the "Charizard Bridge" and multiple famous Charizard trainers such as Red and Lancenote  return for the PWT, one would expect that they could tie in to it as a fun little Easter Egg, but the only change from BW is that an NPC will give the player a Heal Powder if they bring their own Charizard to the bridge. However, considering Charizard's infamous reputation for oversaturation in following generations, this may have been for the better in the long run.
  • Tough Act to Follow: The postgame of Black 2 and White 2 has enforced this on all future games, due to the sheer number of sidequests that can be undertaken and due to the games having no fewer than three separate battle facilities - the PWT in particular is praised as one of the coolest postgame features in the series. As such, fans who judge Pokémon games based on the depth and longevity of their postgame tend to judge the subsequent 3DS entries rather harshly for not living up to the standard set by B2W2, despite the fact that some of them (such as the Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire remakes and Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon) have decently-sized postgames in their own right.
  • Unexpected Character: The Pokémon World Tournament (available after beating the main game) lets you battle allnote  the Gym Leaders and Champions in the history of the Pokémon franchise. It was likely a surprise that even Giovanni was included here, but he is.
  • Viewer Gender Confusion: Colress, for the somewhat ambiguous design and name ending in "-ess".
  • Woolseyism:
    • In Roxie's Gym, she still sings DOGARS, but it's heavily overlaid with POKÉ BALL and POKÉMON in English versions.
    • The title cards of the Pokéstar Studios movies are in several languages, giving them an "international" flair and also reflecting the real world, where countries might be famous for a certain genre of movie. In text, the movies are reflected either by their translated titles or their subtitle.
  • The Woobie:
    • The remains of the new Team Plasma in the post-game, based on this quote said by a grunt on the Plasma Frigate while it is docked at the P2 Laboratory:
      I knew... I knew that Ghetsis was using me... But I had friends here...
    • Kyurem. It's trapped and used as a living weapon by Team Plasma, controlled (to whatever extent) by Ghetsis, and forced to absorb N's dragon (which, according to N, could detect Kyurem's suffering), only to be beaten up by your Pokémon and separated from it again.
    • N's dragon; just watch the part where Kyurem absorbs it and it's desperately trying to fly away, and then try not to feel bad when you merge them to use Black/White Kyurem yourself.

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