YMMV: Nightwish

Everything from Nightwish is so over-the-top that it dances on the edge of narm, and what one person finds to be Crowning Music of Awesome can easily fall flat for someone else.

The reasoning behind Tarja's dismissal as well as Anette's departure from the band is up for debate, too. Of course, many fans on either side of the argument just read one letter or the other.

Also, whether the creator breakdown songs are Tear Jerker material or Wangst / Deus Angst Machina material is dependent on the listener.

YMMV entries related to Tarja go to her YMMV page.

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  • Anvilicious:
    • In a song that is quite atypical of their cryptic and indirect lyrical style, "Master Passion Greed" is six solid minutes of the band laying it out on Tarja's husband Marcelo Cabuli.
    • "Bye Bye Beautiful," just in case you didn't get that the male band members hate Tarja.
    • "Yours Is An Empty Hope" is about how people who argue on the internet suck and need to get a life.
      Tear me to bits enjoy the scene
      Of screen name verbal vanity
      Churning the words imbued in filth
      Your tongue oily water under my bridge
  • Big Lipped Alligator Moment: In the form of a keyboard homage to "Moskau" during the instrumental break of "Sacrament of Wilderness."
  • Broken Base:
    • Tarja Turunen, Anette Olzon, or Floor Jansen? You pick.
    • This goes at least as far back as 2002, when Century Child was released. A lot of people didn't like the change in the band's style, and Tarja's less "operatic" vocals on that album.
    • With the firing of Anette, debates have begun over whether the band was justified in letting Anette go or not, with things becoming even more thorny after Anette made some controversial statements (about performing in Greece and about her replacement, Floor), resulting in a massive Internet Backlash against her.
  • Covered Up: Many people thought that "Over the Hills and Far Away," by Gary Moore, is an original song of the band.
  • Crack Pairing: Tarja/Anette is a pretty popular pairing among members of Team Switzerland.
  • Crowning Moment of Funny: End of an Era, when the pyrotechnics attempted to assassinate Marco.
  • Die for Our Ship: Tarja/Tuomas supporters can be.... Weird. Also comes in Ho Yay flavor, but it's far harder to find. Somewhat fueled by the recurring Beauty and the Beast theme in Nightwish's own lyrics. In this regard, the following lines of "Bye Bye Beautiful" did not really help.
    Did you ever hear what I told you?
    Did you ever read what I wrote you?
    Did you ever listen to what we played?
    Did you ever let in what the world said?
    • And especially if you consider the fact that these words from "Ever Dream" are some of their lyrics:
    Ever felt away without me
    My love it lies so deep
  • Ear Worm: The band mostly goes for completely over-the-top Epic Rocking, so a few of their songs will manage to worm their way into your head and not let go:
    • From "Bye Bye Beautiful:"
    How blind can you be?
    Don't you see?
    You chose the long road
    But we'll be waiting.
    • The chorus to Erämaan Viimeinen.
    • "Wishmaster," which has the honor of being the most misinterpreted song ever:
    Master! Apprentice!
    Heart born, seventh seeker!
    Warrior! Disciple!
    In me, the Wishmaster!
    • From "Wish I Had an Angel:"
    • "Amaranth" and "Escapist" are MAJOR earworms.
    "A nightingale in a golden cage, that's me locked inside reality's maze..."
    • There's also "End of All Hope" and "Nemo."
    • Storytime. I am the voice of Never-never-land...
    • And also from Imaginaerum: "Rest Calm" and "The Crow, the Owl and the Dove."
    • The opening riff to "Astral Romance" is insanely catchy.
    • "Cadence of Her Last Breath" is particularly memorable.
    • "Whoever Brings the Night." Appearing in LittleBigPlanet 2 may have something to do with this.
  • Ending Fatigue: A few of the Epic Rocking songs have points that they could've ended at much sooner.
    • Almost every YouTube video for "The Poet and the Pendulum" cuts it off 3 minutes from the end, at the point where most would assume the song would end...
    • And the "misheard lyrics" spoofs sometimes have a pic of a dude looking at his watch during some of the especially drawn-out bouts of epic rocking.
    • "Slow, Love, Slow," from Imaginaerum has an ending consisting of a ticking clock/metronome that goes on for over thirty seconds.
    • The Greatest Show On Earth is an even bigger offender than the previous songs to the tune of being 10 minutes longer than Poet (in fact, the longest song the band has ever recorded clocking in at an impressive 24 minutes) and it being a mostly instrumental track with some narration. The band don't even come into it until past the 5 minute mark and the song could have easily ended with them but instead goes on for a further 7 and a half minutes.
  • Estrogen Brigade: All of the boys have one, but most ladies gravitate towards Tuomas, leading to the Yoko Oh No situation below whenever word spreads that he has a girlfriend. Tuomas' case is arguably made more difficult by the fact both Marco and Jukka are married with children, and Emppu has a long-term girlfriend, leaving Tuomas as the only single guy.
    • Not anymore...he's been engaged to Johanna Kurkela, who did vocals on his solo album Music Inspired by the Life and Times of Scrooge, since 2014, after a five-year relationship.
  • Fandom Rivalry: Tarja fans, Anette fans and Floor!NW fans are constantly at each other's throats.
  • Fanon Discontinuity:
    • Some fans discard Dark Passion Play, because of the lack of Tarja.
    • Some others discard everything before Dark Passion Play.
    • Rarer, but not unheard of, is the belief that nothing before Marco joined the band, and that a few notable tracks such as "Wishmaster" or "Sleeping Sun" were demos.
    • And even on the flip side is the belief that Tuomas went through with ending the band after Wishmaster. This belief isn't out of a hatred for Marco, but more of a distaste in the band's music shift beginning with Century Child.
  • Ho Yay: Extremely subtle, most of the time, but sometimes it's obvious.
    • Yes, that's Marco. On live TV. Being broadcast nationwide. And his eight-year-old twin sons were in the front row in the studio.
  • Internet Backdraft: The news that Richard Dawkins would be doing narration for Endless Forms Most Beautiful caused a stir among Christian fans who were worried the album would become a mouthpiece for Dawkins' "religious" views. Complaints stopped once the album was released and people saw that didn't happen.
  • Launcher of a Thousand Ships: The most common version is the Real Person Fic, and in that case, the launcher is Tuomas. In all fairness, he does make a really cute and pretty Uke.
  • Memetic Mutation: The "epic maneuver" YTMND meme uses a clip from "Ghost Love Score," and the song has gone on to become a Standard Snippet for other Mundane Made Awesome moments.
  • Misattributed Song: Let's just say that they tend to fall victim to this in regards to similar-sounding musicians.
  • Mondegreen: Numerous examples, several of which have been made into YouTube videos. A few of the more infamous examples, however, are...
    • "Wishmaster," which holds the title of most misunderstood Nightwish song ever, thanks to its rapid-fire stream of fantasy phrases, like "Heartborn" / "Hard Porn" and "Seventh Seeker" / "Steven Seagal."
    • One from "The Crow, the Owl and The Dove," courtesy of Gratuitous Foreign Language: "Gar tuht river, Ger te rheged" is often misheard as "Got to grieve her. Got to wreck it." It's actually Cumbric, and translates as "go to the river, you will find the fairy land."
  • Narm / Narm Charm: Nightwish's fondness for the overdramatic, combined with Tarja's limited proficiency in English and Tuomas' liberal use of Truck Driver's Gear Changes, will have one of two effects: It might make their music fall flat for you, or you might simply enjoy it as part of their signature style. A good example would be "End of All Hope," which sounds like a dance metal version of a military march.
    • "I Want My Tears Back" takes it to meta-levels.
    • Their first video with Floor (Élan) is this in a nutshell, featuring the band performing in front of elderly people (including a shirtless man performing odd swimming exercises in an empty pool), and then magically teleporting them all to where Floor is performing in an empty bar. They then proceed to dance in the most ridiculous fashion - including one woman who just flails her arms around while her companion is trying to waltz with her. Then there's this woman.
      • There's also "Sagan", which is dedicated to Carl Sagan and features such masterful lyrics as "Listening to Sagan, dreaming Carl Sagan, unseen streams",
  • One True Pairing: An example of Real Life Shipping where some fans swear that Tarja and Tuomas belong together.
  • Painful Rhyme: Inverted in "Elvenpath" — "It's the honesty of these worlds / Ruled by magic and mighty swords" actually works because Tarja mispronounces "swords."
  • Replacement Scrappy: Poor Anette may not be forgiven by rabid Tarja fans for not being Tarja. But early listens of the Imaginareum album may have her Rescued from the Scrappy Heap.
    • Sure enough, quite a bit of this was relieved once the album was released and Anette started to learn how to properly sing some of the band's older songs in concert. Cue sane fans calling hallelujah across the globe until she left.
  • Surprisingly Improved Sequel: Imaginaerum, the second (and final) album with Anette (seventh overall), is a vastly different album than the first go-round with her, Dark Passion Play.
  • Suspiciously Similar Song:
    • "Forever Yours" sounds a lot like Céline Dion's "My Heart Will Go On." The flute after the first chorus seals the deal.
    • "Where Were You Last Night" may not be an original Nightwish song, but it deserves a mention for its similarities to Bon Jovi's song "You Give Love a Bad Name" and Belinda Carlisle's "Heaven is a Place on Earth."
    • The middle section of Scaretale suddenly transforms the song into a riff on Grim Grinning Ghosts
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks: Tarja fans have been stockpiling flamethrowers for the coming arockalypse since Tarja's dismissal. So have Anette fans since her dismissal.
  • Wangst: Century Child was all about this, and Once and Dark Passion Play also had a lot of it. On other albums, however, the band's lyrics are mostly wangst-free.
  • The Woobie:
    • Tuomas.
    • Anette prior to her departure. First, she suffered from vocal problems, then she was diagnosed with a liver cyst. Then the band decides to replace her with Elize Ryd and Alissa White-Gluz (apparently without her consent) while she was recovering. Then came the press statement... And now evidence has come forwards (courtesy of Floor Jansen herself), that Nightwish had allegedly already been planning on throwing Anette out before the incident with the two replacement singers, and that she had been preparing for a November debut with them.
  • Yoko Oh No: Don't mention the idea of Tuomas having a girlfriend to his more insane fangirls.
    • In his open letter to Tarja, Tuomas stated that he thought her husband had made her a greedy and selfish person.