YMMV / Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack

  • Alternate Character Interpretation: What was Char's real motivation for all of this? It's generally accepted that he started the entire war so he could have his final battle with Amuro, but the Zeta Gundam game for the Playstation suggests that he honestly wanted to destroy humanity. His ending in said game shows him getting very angry when he senses Kamille getting Mind Raped by Scirocco, and then showing him in his CCA-era uniform and looking particularly unhappy. When you recall Char's attitude that it would be up to Kamille's generation to correct the mistakes of his own and create a new era, the ending serves to imply that he thought humanity was doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past and would never evolve past their petty conflicts.
  • Badass Decay: Char is often accused as this, as despite this movie hyping him and his final showdown with Amuro up the actual battle is a total Curb-Stomp Battle in Amuro's favor. Of course, Char all but handed the victory to Amuro by breaking his back making sure Amuro had the best possible technology and suit with which to fight him, but it's still jarring how quickly and easily he is defeated.
  • Base-Breaking Character: Two big ones.
    • The titlar Char himself. Some either consider him the star of the movie or a horrible character due to his villain-like characterization. The fact that he uses the young Quess just makes it worse.
    • Quess is another, due to her being intentionally created to be a Hate Sink.
  • Crowning Moment of Awesome: Amuro pushing Axis away from Earth—for both the epic badassness and the emotional value. It's So inspiring that the other soldiers from both sides joined to steal some glory from him!
    • Make of this what you will, but most of the new characters get CMOA moments in later adaptations. Hathaway is allowed to mature and become a heroic character in the manga Hathaway's Flash (before being killed off in one of the darkest endings in Gundam history), Quess is allowed to pull a Heel–Face Turn in Gundam EVOLVE #5 (which may or may not retcon her and Hathaway's fates), and in perhaps the most amusing example, Shin Gihren's Greed for the PSP gives Gyunei the chance to actually pull off that Hostage Situation successfully, capturing Amuro and the Nu Gundam while returning Kayra to the Ra Cailum alive. What makes this so amusing is that Char is utterly heartbroken by it, as Gyunei has essentially robbed him of his glorious final battle with Amuro.
  • Crowning Moment of Funny: A much needed one with the incredibly offhanded way that one Londo Bell officer prepares his people for the final battle.
    "Write your will on this. We'll send them all out in a capsule. (Beat) Oh, and add a lock of hair for your mom."
  • Crowning Music of Awesome: The main title. This is Gundam, what did you expect?
  • Draco in Leather Pants: Char's fans have been known to do this to justify Char's actions in this movie.
  • Fanon: Because Char's sub-commander/lover Nanai Miguel shares a surname with Usso Evin's mother, fans assume that Usso is Char's grand/great-grandson. This one was actually Jossed by Tomino himself as a coincidence.
    • Not to mention they look almost identical. It makes you wonder what they were going for if not that.
      • The plan was originally for Uso to indeed be Char's descendant. But further into production, the writers decided against that and didn't want to lose all the work on character designs they'd accomplished.
      • The writers and Tomino had a conflict. The former believed Usso to be Char's descendant, the latter didn't.
  • Foe Yay: The tension between Amuro and Char is at its highest here, and of course the viewers will tend to warp that into something else.
  • Fountain of Expies: The Nu and Hi-Nu are said to have inspired various later designs, most obvious of which is the Strike Freedom
  • Hilarious in Hindsight: The entire "Nu Gundam isn't just for show!" meme can come off as hypocritical in Hakai, Saisei, Jigoku, and especially Tengoku where the Nu Gundam has a very showy animation.
  • Jerkass Woobie: Quess is a very self-centered and obnoxious child, but at the end of the day she is still a child, one who has spent her whole life coping with the Parental Neglect of her Smug Snake father, and on top of that has Psychic Powers dropped into her lap which may or may not be literally driving her crazy.
  • Love to Hate: The most unambiguously evil version of Char to hit the screen. And many people are just fine with that. However, there are those who DO root for Char and treat him as the true hero through.
  • Memetic Mutation: Thanks to the movie, many Gundam games and Toru Furuya himself, it has been proven that the Nu Gundam isn't just for show! Nor is the Hi-Nu!
  • Moral Event Horizon: Several.
    • Char, when he presides over his own Colony Drop of Fifth Luna. Welcome to the Gundam genocide club, Char!
    • Char again, when you examine his manipulations of Quess and Gyunei closely. Playing two emotionally-unstable and very powerful teenagers like violins just to further his own plans? One of them being a kid that he pretty much raised as a Tykebomb for at very least seven years? Yeah, that's gonna work well.
    • Gyunei, after the Hostage Situation that he came up with which ended in the death of Kayra Su.
    • Quess' defection and subsequent murder of her father was this, especially for people who didn't like her in the first place.
    • Hathaway's murder of Chan is one of these for others.
  • Narm: Because the Greek letter "nu" resembles the English letter "v", when written out, "Hi-Nu" looks like "Hi-v", which is one hell of a weird thing to find plastered on a model kit...
  • Recursive Adaptation: Beltorchika's Children.
  • Romantic Plot Tumor: Many fans view the Quess subplot and quadrangle between her, Char, Hathaway and Gyunei to be this, as it makes all the characters involved look worse. Hathaway and Gyunei go from relatively likable kids to murderous Crazy Jealous Guy types, Char himself is reduced to grooming a 13-year old child to be his weapon, and even ancillary characters like Nanai and Amuro get begrudgingly dragged into the drama. It's only natural for a child like Quess to think It's All About Me, but when the narrative itself makes the plot revolve around her, that's another thing entirely.
  • Rooting for the Empire: Char has betrayed all his allies, used a kid to do his bidding and even a Colony Drop to get more Newypes... And there are still some fans rooting for him? At least it appears in this appearance in which Char has less followers than ever.
    • This might be a form of meta Fridge Brilliance given that Tomino's Gundam works in particular often have a sort of strong but thinly veiled Nazi analogue in the villainous faction of each story. One of Hitler's most dangerous traits is generally regarded to have been his strength as a masterfully manipulative orator... a trait which it would seem Char shares, both in and out of universe, especially as in-universe those who are loyal to him tend to be really absurdly loyal.
  • The Scrappy: Quess and Hathaway—so very much. Hathaway was partially Rescued from the Scrappy Heap after the Hathaway's Flash novel, though.
    • Rescued being a somewhat polite way of putting it, since the novel killed him off.
      • It took an actual retcon by Tomino himself in Gundam Evolve to rescue these two. Still, since the series is not as known as the movie they could remain as that.
    • Even Gyunei gets this to a degree, as the fan theory that he was supposed to be Kamille is endlessly bandied about in fan circles despite the evidence being no more than "Kamille should have been at Char's side, not this new guy!" This essentially turns poor Gyunei into a Replacement Scrappy for Kamille.
    • And speaking of Replacement Scrappies... Chan is often seen is either a non-entity or an inferior replacement for Amuro's Zeta love interest, Beltorchika. It doesn't help that Beltorchika was originally supposed to feature in this film (the manga is even called Beltorchika's Children, and focuses extensively on her and Amuro's unborn child) but was cut because the producers wanted Amuro to have "Bond Girls", leaiding to Chan. The theory goes that Chan's limited screen time and death were direct retaliation by Tomino for being forced to replace Beltorchika with her in the first place.
  • True Art Is Angsty: Typical for Gundam.
  • What an Idiot: Amuro during the Hostage Situation. Did he really think he could fool Neo Zeon soldiers with the funnels when they have been using the same technology for almost a decade?
    • It's been suggested that it wasn't Amuro's idea but rather the funnels being over-sensitive to his thoughts, a rare case of the Nu's flawed status popping up beyond an Informed Attribute
    • And depending on your opinion of the story mode of Dynasty Warriors: Gundam 2, Amuro himself states that what happened was not intended.
    • A very thin example, as while the Neo Zeon soldiers have been using funnels for almost decade, what they haven't been using are the brand new fin funnels. Gyunei makes it clear he has no idea what they are when he calls them radiator plates. On the other hand, Amuro does have a reputation for being a tricky combatant, so Gyunei's assumption that Amuro was tryong to pull a fast one isn't as far-fetched as it might sound.

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