YMMV / Ministry

  • Broken Base: Did they start to suck post-Psalm 69? Was it the Bush-era albums that did them in? Or have the changes been for the better? Considering that the band has changed so much over their history, you'll expect to see this trope in spades within their fanbase.
    • Al's older synthpop material has been getting more and more fans as of late (including the stuff before With Sympathy), much to Al's annoyance. Specially when said fans seem to have an extreme hatred for his later Industrial Metal shift.
    • Al himself has said that he makes better music under Republican presidents. This may have been a joke, but judging from the receptions Ministry's albums have gotten on various sites (Rate Your Music, Sputnik Music, Metal Archives, etc.), this actually seems to be what the fans think, too. Animositisomina, the anti-Bush trilogy, and albums recorded before 1993 (with the exception of With Sympathy) almost without fail have much better receptions than anything Al released during Democratic administrations.
  • Crazy Awesome: "Jesus Built My Hotrod"., big time.
  • Dork Age: Filth Pig and Dark Side of the Spoon are generally not held in high regard, although they both (Filth Pig more so) have gained their fair share of fans over the years.
  • Epic Riff: Lots of them, including "Stigmata", "Burning Inside", "N.W.O.", "Just One Fix", "Jesus Built My Hotrod", and "TV II".
  • Fandom Rivalry: Sometimes pops up between Ministry and Nine Inch Nails. These fans forget that Jourgensen's friends with Trent Reznor and both have occasionally worked together.
    • Also applies to Big Black and Ministry, mostly due to Steve Albini's outspoken hatred of all things electronic and accusations of aping Big Black's style on The Land of Rape and Honey.
  • Foe Yay:
    • Since 2007 or so, most of what Al has to say about Paul Barker, Bill Rieflin and Chris Connelly smacks of this. They don't mind returning the favor, either.
  • Harsher in Hindsight: After Mike Scaccia's death at the untimely age of 47, any of the band's many songs referring to death can qualify as this.
  • Ho Yay:
    • Al's relationship with long-time collaborator, Paul Barker:
      • In interviews, Al frequently compared them to Kirk and Spock. And when asked about why Barker left the band in 2003, Al said:
      As for Paul and me, it is the same thing as to when you are in a marriage for twenty years and come to a point when you have run out of new sexual positions. It was no fun any more.
      • Al and Paul particularly sound Like an Old Married Couple in Chris Connelly's memoir of his time in Ministry and related projects, with Al as the Bumbling Dad and Paul as his Closer to Earth spouse.
      • Fix: The Ministry Movie features such scenes as Al feeding Paul grapes and the two of them waltzing on a tour bus. They end their waltz with Al pulling Paul into a kiss.
      • It's rumored that Al's second wife might have been a factor in their parting. If nothing else, the timing is certainly suspect.
      • Al spends most of his autobiography claiming to have always hated Paul, but his then-wife disagrees saying that, "... Al loved Paul, y’know? When Al loves someone, he really loves them. So when Al says he hates Paul, he hates Paul now. But he didn’t hate him back then. They were bandmates and Al loved him," and that "Paul stuck a knife in Al's heart." Oooh, boy.
    • Al's relationship with Nivek Ogre, during the late 80s and early 90s. Photos like these say it all.
    • The "Just One Fix" music video. It's intercut with shots of what looks like some guy jerking off and ends with Al and the other members enticing two teenage boys to get into their car.
    • "So What" from The Mind Is a Terrible Thing to Taste. Rather inevitable when it's about brawling and anal sex, though.
      Anal fuck-fest, thrill olympics/ Savage scourge supply and sanctify.
    • Al has admitted to performing oral sex on his bandmates; discussed here, though detailed in his book.
  • Less Disturbing in Context: The title of The Land of Rape and Honey, explained under Shout-Out on the main page.
  • Signature Song: "Jesus Built My Hotrod" and/or "N.W.O.".
  • So Okay, It's Average: The consensus for Relapse and From Beer to Eternity seems to be that they're either this or another Dork Age, though despite that, there are certainly quite a few fans who like them both fine, too.