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* AngstWhatAngst:
** In typical Emmerich fashion; one particularly jarring example though is when Steve Hiller is leading the first strike against the City Destroyer over Los Angeles, or rather what's ''left'' of it. What do Jimmy and the other pilots as Steve mulls the fate of his loved ones? Crack cheap jokes as they're gliding over the annihilated city. They quickly shut up once they pass a wall of clouds and see the sheer size of their target.
** Although, in the military, they tend to use humour as a coping mechanism in stressful and dangerous situations.

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AngstWhatAngst: In typical Emmerich fashion; one particularly jarring example though is when Steve Hiller is leading the first strike against the City Destroyer over Los Angeles, or rather what's ''left'' of it. What do Jimmy and the other pilots as Steve mulls the fate of his loved ones? Crack cheap jokes as they're gliding over the annihilated city. They quickly shut up once they pass a wall of clouds and see the sheer size of their target.
** Although, in the military, they tend to use humour as a coping mechanism in stressful and dangerous situations.
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** Arguably the only reason [[MadScientist Okun]] appears in the sequel and having a larger role.

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** Arguably the The only reason [[MadScientist Okun]] appears in the sequel and having a larger role.



** The filmmakers began work on this film having complete support and co-operation of the U.S. military, on one condition: that all references to Area 51 be removed from the movie, this being back when the U.S. government was steadfast in their denial that such a place existed. Almost two decades later and what do you know? Area 51 does exist after all! No word about any alien wreckage, of course...
*** Especially hilarious when, not much later, ''Series/StargateSG1'', which used Area 51 in a similar fashion, was ''so'' BackedByThePentagon that ''two Air Force Chiefs of Staff appeared on the show as themselves!'' ''SG-1'' is, of course, a spinoff of [[Film/{{Stargate}} a previous Roland Emmerich film.]]

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** The filmmakers began work on this film having complete support and co-operation of the U.S. military, on one condition: that all references to Area 51 be removed from the movie, this being back when the U.S. government was steadfast in their denial that such a place existed. Almost two decades later and what do you know? Area 51 does exist after all! No word about any alien wreckage, of course...
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course. Especially hilarious when, not much later, ''Series/StargateSG1'', which used Area 51 in a similar fashion, was ''so'' BackedByThePentagon that ''two Air Force Chiefs of Staff appeared on the show as themselves!'' ''SG-1'' is, of course, a spinoff of [[Film/{{Stargate}} a previous Roland Emmerich film.]]
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* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: WebVideo/TheAngryVideoGameNerd ripped the UsefulNotes/PlayStation1 tie-in game of ''[=ID4=]'' apart for clunky controls, pop-up issues, and a terrible password screen, and when he played the Katina level in ''VideoGame/StarFox64'', ''LetsPlay/ClementJ642'' called ''[=ID4=]'' "complete ass" and said that that one ''Star Fox'' level was [[SpiritualAdaptation better at being]] ''[=ID4=]'' than the ''[=ID4=]'' game was.

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* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: WebVideo/TheAngryVideoGameNerd ripped the UsefulNotes/PlayStation1 Platform/PlayStation1 tie-in game of ''[=ID4=]'' apart for clunky controls, pop-up issues, and a terrible password screen, and when he played the Katina level in ''VideoGame/StarFox64'', ''LetsPlay/ClementJ642'' called ''[=ID4=]'' "complete ass" and said that that one ''Star Fox'' level was [[SpiritualAdaptation better at being]] ''[=ID4=]'' than the ''[=ID4=]'' game was.
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* VindicatedByHistory: The CriticalDissonance was apparent from the start, where critics lambasted the glitz while audiences ate it up. But the general response goes in cycles over if it's a [[SoBadItsGood bad movie that is fun]] or a [[NarmCharm silly movie that can be appreciated for those merits]]. In the long run many have pointed out how the film manages to juggle a lot of themes, characters and big budget visual effects, many of which can feel like empty spectacle, cliches, stereotypes and broad jingoism, while actually having a lot more depth when you really pay attention.
** President Whitmore is the general "man in charge" but there is an underlying theme that he is trying to show confidence while everyone around him, from the media to his own Secretary of Defense Nimziki, are undermining his authority. He makes decisions based on the best information he has but constantly faces one failure after another (shelter in place instead of evacuation, air strike that did nothing, nuke that did nothing) before managing to rally the world together in a counteroffensive and the famous "Today, we celebrate our Independence Day" speech talks not of American patriotism but unity around the world.
** Steven Hiller is the action hero played by Creator/WillSmith, [[Series/TheFreshPrinceOfBelAir a sitcom star]] at the time, but is a professional soldier who [[GuileHero survives a massacre through both skill and intelligence]]. His girlfriend Jasmine has a kid and works as a stripper, who is given her own story arc in rounding up survivors. Smith would go on to [[StarMakingRole prove his star power starting from this film]], but even then giving [[FairForItsDay the face of the military subplot of the film to a black man was less common then]].
** David initially appears as the IgnoredExpert but once he explains what he found in clear language he is taken seriously and given full respect by President Whitmore, he isn't denied all the way to the third act. His father also gives a religious angle that is Jewish rather than Christian.
** Russell Casse at first appears to be a typical redneck ConspiracyTheorist, but in this story his talk of aliens becomes ArbitrarySkepticism and he is validated when they attack. Not only that, he's a CloudCuckoolander but NOT a racist asshole, he takes care of a blended family with Hispanic kids/step kids.

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* AngstWhatAngst: In typical Emmerich fashion; one particularly jarring example though is when Steve Hiller is leading the first strike against the City Destroyer over Los Angeles, or rather what's ''left'' of it. What do Jimmy and the other pilots as Steve mulls the fate of his loved ones? Crack cheap jokes as they're gliding over the annihilated city. They quickly shut up once they pass a wall of clouds and see the sheer size of their target.

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In typical Emmerich fashion; one particularly jarring example though is when Steve Hiller is leading the first strike against the City Destroyer over Los Angeles, or rather what's ''left'' of it. What do Jimmy and the other pilots as Steve mulls the fate of his loved ones? Crack cheap jokes as they're gliding over the annihilated city. They quickly shut up once they pass a wall of clouds and see the sheer size of their target.



* SpiritualAdaptation: ''[=ID4=]'' follows a very similar plot structure to that of ''Literature/TheWarOfTheWorlds1898'', including an unstoppable alien force invading Earth to strip it of its resources, a trio attempting to peacefully contact the aliens only to be disintegrated in response, the protagonist spends the majority of the story trying to find his loved ones, and the aliens ultimately being defeated by a "virus". In fact, Creator/StevenSpielberg put [[Film/WarOfTheWorlds2005 his planned adaptation]] on hold because he felt that this film beat him to it. Creator/LindsayEllis noted the similarities (and [[SpiritualAntithesis differences]]) when comparing ''[=ID4=]'' and Spielberg's adaptation of ''War of the Worlds''.

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''[=ID4=]'' follows a very similar plot structure to that of ''Literature/TheWarOfTheWorlds1898'', including an unstoppable alien force invading Earth to strip it of its resources, a trio attempting to peacefully contact the aliens only to be disintegrated in response, the protagonist spends the majority of the story trying to find his loved ones, and the aliens ultimately being defeated by a "virus". In fact, Creator/StevenSpielberg put [[Film/WarOfTheWorlds2005 his planned adaptation]] on hold because he felt that this film beat him to it. Creator/LindsayEllis noted the similarities (and [[SpiritualAntithesis differences]]) when comparing ''[=ID4=]'' and Spielberg's adaptation of ''War of the Worlds''.



* ToughActToFollow: This movie was a massive success and one of the most well-known movies of TheNineties. The sequel unfortunately failed to follow the original's footsteps.

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This movie was a massive success and one of the most well-known movies of TheNineties. The sequel unfortunately failed to follow the original's footsteps.
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* CultClassic: It's built up a following over time, with a fan base taking a kind of pride in it being the archetypal "disposable" summer film.
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** Although, in the military, they tend to use humour as a coping mechanism in stressful and dangerous situations.
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** The guy who gives a ridiculously over-the-top salute following Whitmore's RousingSpeech.
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* {{Troperiffic}}: It's a standard "AlwaysChaoticEvil aliens are beaten by the rough-and-tough military and a few nerdy scientists" plot, with some token romance subplots thrown in for good measure, but the likable characters, ensemble cast, the fantastic special effects, and the sheer spectacle of it all makes for an entertainingly fun watch.
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** One person making a phone call says, "I love ''Series/TheXFiles''." In TheMovie for ''Series/TheXFiles'', [[DrowningMySorrows a drunken Mulder]] is shown [[TakeThat urinating on a poster]] for ''Independence Day''. Ironically, ''[=ID4=]'' is fondly remembered (or at least ''remembered'') twenty years later, while ''Fight The Future'' is only remembered by X-philes. Creator/BobChipman, in his retrospective on the film, was quite amused by which film fired the first shots versus which one was still remembered.

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** One person making a phone call says, "I love ''Series/TheXFiles''." In TheMovie for ''Series/TheXFiles'', ''Film/TheXFilesFightTheFuture'', [[DrowningMySorrows a drunken Mulder]] is shown [[TakeThat urinating on a poster]] for ''Independence Day''. Ironically, ''[=ID4=]'' is fondly remembered (or at least ''remembered'') twenty years later, while ''Fight The Future'' is only remembered by X-philes. Creator/BobChipman, in his retrospective on the film, was quite amused by which film fired the first shots versus which one was still remembered.
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* {{Troperiffic}}: It's a standard "AlwaysChaoticEvil aliens are beaten by the rough-and-touch military and a few nerdy scientists" plot, with some token romance subplots thrown in for good measure, but the likable characters, ensemble cast, the fantastic special effects, and the sheer spectacle of it all makes for an entertainingly fun watch.

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* {{Troperiffic}}: It's a standard "AlwaysChaoticEvil aliens are beaten by the rough-and-touch rough-and-tough military and a few nerdy scientists" plot, with some token romance subplots thrown in for good measure, but the likable characters, ensemble cast, the fantastic special effects, and the sheer spectacle of it all makes for an entertainingly fun watch.
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* {{Troperiffic}}: It's a standard "AlwaysChaoticEvil aliens are beaten by the rough-and-touch military and a few nerdy scientists" plot, with some token romance subplots thrown in for good measure, but the likable characters, ensemble cast, the fantastic special effects, and the sheer spectacle of it all makes for an entertainingly fun watch.
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* FirstInstallmentWins: ''Independence Day'' made a strong impact on its release, becoming the highest grossing film of the year and the second-highest grossing film ever at that time after ''Film/{{Jurassic Park|1993}}'', and it's considered by many to have a reasonably good and distinguishable plot, special effects, and performances. The sequel is considered an embarrassment even by many hardcore fans of the original.
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* FirstInstallmentWins: ''Independence Day'' made a strong impact on its release, becoming the highest grossing film of the year and the second-highest grossing film ever at that time after ''Film/JurassicPark'', and it's considered by many to have a reasonably good and distinguishable plot, special effects, and performances. The sequel is considered an embarrassment even by many hardcore fans of the original.

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* FirstInstallmentWins: ''Independence Day'' made a strong impact on its release, becoming the highest grossing film of the year and the second-highest grossing film ever at that time after ''Film/JurassicPark'', ''Film/{{Jurassic Park|1993}}'', and it's considered by many to have a reasonably good and distinguishable plot, special effects, and performances. The sequel is considered an embarrassment even by many hardcore fans of the original.
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* SpiritualAdaptation: ''[=ID4=]'' follows a very similar plot structure to that of ''Literature/TheWarOfTheWorlds'', including an unstoppable alien force invading Earth to strip it of its resources, a trio attempting to peacefully contact the aliens only to be disintegrated in response, the protagonist spends the majority of the story trying to find his loved ones, and the aliens ultimately being defeated by a "virus". In fact, Creator/StevenSpielberg put [[Film/WarOfTheWorlds his planned adaptation]] on hold because he felt that this film beat him to it. Creator/LindsayEllis noted the similarities (and [[SpiritualAntithesis differences]]) when comparing ''[=ID4=]'' and Spielberg's adaptation of ''War of the Worlds''.

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* SpiritualAdaptation: ''[=ID4=]'' follows a very similar plot structure to that of ''Literature/TheWarOfTheWorlds'', ''Literature/TheWarOfTheWorlds1898'', including an unstoppable alien force invading Earth to strip it of its resources, a trio attempting to peacefully contact the aliens only to be disintegrated in response, the protagonist spends the majority of the story trying to find his loved ones, and the aliens ultimately being defeated by a "virus". In fact, Creator/StevenSpielberg put [[Film/WarOfTheWorlds [[Film/WarOfTheWorlds2005 his planned adaptation]] on hold because he felt that this film beat him to it. Creator/LindsayEllis noted the similarities (and [[SpiritualAntithesis differences]]) when comparing ''[=ID4=]'' and Spielberg's adaptation of ''War of the Worlds''.
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* GuiltyPleasures: Is this for many Americans. In the words of Creator/LindsayEllis:
-->''The film is dumb as a bag of rocks, and it is one of my favorite movies.''


* AcceptableProfessionalTargets: What is Marty's reaction to hearing the aliens will destroy the cities?
-->''Oh, my God. I gotta call my brother, my housekeeper, my lawyer... nah, forget my lawyer.''
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* SpiritualSuccessor: To ''{{Film/Stargate}}''.

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* SpiritualSuccessor: To ''{{Film/Stargate}}''.''{{Film/Stargate}}'', given how that film also had the US military hiding an alien artifact in a secret base, and the main hero duo being a soldier and a geeky scientist.

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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: 9/11 was often compared to this film. It doesn't help that when they're fleeing the White House, David checks the countdown and "9:11:01" is clearly visible on it. It is a complete coincidence, but still.
** Joe Viskocil, the film's pyrotechnics expert, later lamented that his work was so realistic that it may have served as the nucleus of an idea someone had to "fly a plane into the White House."[[note]]While Flight 93 crashed over Pennsylvania, it is commonly believed that its target was either the White House or the Capitol building.[[/note]]


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* HarsherInHindsight:
** 9/11 was often compared to this film. It doesn't help that when they're fleeing the White House, David checks the countdown and "9:11:01" is clearly visible on it. It is a complete coincidence, but still.
** Joe Viskocil, the film's pyrotechnics expert, later lamented that his work was so realistic that it may have served as the nucleus of an idea someone had to "fly a plane into the White House."[[note]]While Flight 93 crashed over Pennsylvania, it is commonly believed that its target was either the White House or the Capitol building.[[/note]]
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** A young Creator/MaeWhitman plays the President's daughter; she's better known as being both [[Film/ScottPilgrimVsTheWorld Foe]] and [[Series/ArrestedDevelopment Yay]] to Creator/MichaelCera.

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** A young Creator/MaeWhitman plays the President's daughter; she's better known as being both [[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender Katara]] [[Film/ScottPilgrimVsTheWorld Foe]] and [[Series/ArrestedDevelopment Yay]] to Creator/MichaelCera.

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