YMMV / Girls' Generation

  • Americans Hate Tingle: Out of the triple summer singles released in 2015, "Party" is the best received with the Korean public. International fans are vocal in their hate of the song, having compared it with a song for a doll commercial, preferring instead "You Think".
  • Base Breaker: A good chunk of the members have both very vocal supporters and anti-fans within the fandom.
    • Is Tiffany a good singer with a great personality, or is she an annoying attention-seeker who needs to shut up and let the other girls have a chance in the spotlight? Is her going to her fellow members' productions and cheering for them an awesome way to show support, or is it just her being obnoxious and over the top as always? Her neglecting of Seohyun in TaeTiSeo variety appearances to bait TaeNy shippers has not gone without backlash by international fans either.
    • Taeyeon. Currently the most disliked member after Tiffany, especially during the time when she dated Baekhyun. Did she do wrong when it was revealed she lied to her fans about her instagram posts, or were the fans too possessive of a human being? Is her voice as good as it has always been or has it become raspy and unstable? Is her stage attitude unprofessional or are things taken out of context? Was her "anti-fan hunt" reasonable or is this a sign of instability?
    • Jessica. Lazy and unprofessional or down to earth and realistic? Was she kicked out by SM for no reason, or did she screw up her priorities in favour of her boyfriend and her company? Is the group better off without her, or have they effectively crippled themselves?
    • Sooyoung. Is she deserving of more lines and attention, or does she add nothing to SNSD and only got into the group because her father is rich? And actress Sooyoung, who doesn't meet the beauty standards of Korean actressesnote  yet has been praised by veteran actors for her award-winning skill - is such "ugliness" from an actress unacceptable, or should netizens see past that for her acclaimed talent?
    • Sunny. Talented and adorkable with an extra helping of badass determinator or two-faced annoying attention-seeker who only got into SNSD because her uncle is the founder of SM Entertainment? Are her recent lackluster performances a case of laziness, her chronic knee problems, or both?
    • Hyoyeon. Awesome badass dancer and rapper or useless, ugly and can't sing? Can she even dance well anymore, or has she gotten rusty as the group's choreography became more simplistic?
    • Yoona. Has she gone into a decline ever since Sooyoung "replaced" her as lead dancer, and best actress of the group, or is she still at the same level she always was? Will her acting ever improve, or is being pretty the only thing she can be good at?
  • Broken Base
    • A very mild version, when Tiffany announced in mid 2013 that there would be more singles by TaeTiSeo. Some Sones were delighted, others were... unhappy, feeling the trio were already overexposed especially since "Mr. Mr" already focused greatly on just those three, and some went as far as to call them "Taeyeon and Tiffany feat. Seohyun, Jessica and some other random girls". It doesn't help that it followed Yuri and Hyoyeon announcing that there would be new subunits (and Yuri teased that the next subunit would be YoonYulSic (Yoona, Yuri and Jessica). Since then nothing more has happened, and while it was thought that subunits might be scuppered entirely following Jessica's departure, TaeTiSeo have released more singles.
    • The reaction to TaeTiSeo getting their own reality show "The TaeTiSeo", which debuted before their second mini album "Holler", was very split. Some Sones felt this is an extremely stupid move especially after Taeyeon's dating scandal, and were tired of all the attention being focused on those three (especially Tiffany, whose alleged attention-seeking tendencies were turning her into the black sheep of the group), while others didn't see a problem with it, saying it's good that Taeyeon isn't shying away from being in the spotlight.
    • "I Got A Boy." The changes in tempo and even style made it a polarizing song among the fanbase. Western music reviewers have appreciated the effort of trying to sound different.
    • Their discography since The Boys album is divisive to say the least. Before that, SNSD's songs were seen as consistently good. 'Gee' was their breakout song, but the pre-Gee era in retrospect is seen as a climb to the top, meaning always improving. Post-Gee albums were also well received, with 'Genie' being considered not only their best era, but best K-Idol era ever. And then "The Boys" came. This is seen as the beginning of the fall.
    • How much effort the group themselves used to put/are putting into their performances is an incredibly hot debate in the fandom.
    • Since Jessica was kicked out of the group, the so-called Soshi Bond note  has taken a hit. Even SONEs don't believe in it anymore, saying instead there are definitely cliques among the group, with the one between Tiffany and Tayeon being the most obvious and notorious. The two are part of the TTS subunit along with Seohyun, who is not part of their clique and it shows. Music videos featuring the trio tend to focus almost exclusively on TaeNy, leaving Seohyun with barely any screentime and often terrible styling. It's also very evident when the group gives public interviews.
    • Almost two years since her forced removal from the group, Jessica revealed that she still keeps in contact with some of the members and that she hoped that Tiffany's solo goes well. The fandom FLIPPED; some with happy tears because it proved to some that there's very little bad blood between the girls and everyone involved had happily moved on and fun little speculations as to who she's still in touch with, and others wished that Jessica would keep SNSD out of her mouth, thinking she was using them to promote her album.
  • Cargo Shipping: Jessica with air conditioners, and her phone, which she even brought with her onstage during a live performance.
  • Covered Up: In the case of their self-titled song, if not for the popularity of the song itself, then for its association with the group.
  • Ear Worm
    • "Oh!", "Gee", "Genie", "Run Devil Run" and "Hoot".
    • Their Japanese audiences also have some that aren't translated cover versions; Mr. Taxi and Bad Girl.
    • There is also "The Boys", "Trick", "Top Secret", and "OSCAR", among others.
    • Ladies and gentlemen, behold - "TOP, Flower Power", "Paparazzi", and the Japanese version of "Boomerang" from the second Japanese album? On the slower side, we have "All My Love Is For You" and "Time Machine".
    • "I Got A Boy" - love it or hate it, this thing will get stuck in your head. "Oh! Oh Oh Eh Oh/Oh Oh Eh Oh/Neo jalnatda jeongmal!"
    • Any of their Japanese singles - "Galaxy Supernova" and "Love and Girls", especially. "In the galaxy (galaxy)!"
    • Their self-titled song. It helps that there are several epic riffs throughout.
  • Epic Riff: The keyboard and guitar riffs in the self-titled song.
  • Fandom Rivalry
    • Most notably with ELFs, Super Junior's fandom. Which is pretty ironic, as both groups are from the same company and support each other very much.
    • Also between 2NE1 fans (Blackjacks) and Sones. Arguments mostly about the looks of the members of each group, and which group is more "talented". Just look at any of the comments in each of their music videos - it's enough to make you want to smack them all upside the head.
    • There was the whole CARTEL incident, a.k.a Black Ocean 2008. Cassies (DBSK fans), ELFs (SJ fans) and TripleS (SS501 fans) turned off their lightsticks at a concert for SNSD and... behaved badly. Suffice it to say that nobody was innocent - Sones apparently had a couple issues themselves - and that is all that we will say about that!
    • Ever since Taeyeon and Baekhyun of EXO were revealed to be dating, it's Sones vs EXO-L.
    • There's nearly always a fandom war between Sones and stans of any girl group (eg. A Pink, AOA) since unwanted comparisons to SNSD are often made.
    • As of Jessica's forced removal from the group, there's Team Jessica vs. Team SM Entertainment, due to SM's habit of smearing their talents who they remove from groups or talents who leave like Han Geng, JYJ, Kris and Luhan from EXO; Team Jessica vs. Team OT8, due to Jessica's statement which stated the other members called a meeting and forced her to choose between her new company and being in the group and the rumor Dispatch note  claimed from an dubious source who was close to the girls stating that Jessica left the group to get married on March of 2015 (didn't happen); Team Jessica vs. Team Taeyeon, due to the widespread speculation that Taeyeon, being the oldest and the leader of the group, had chosen to boot Jessica and that her and Jessica never got along at all.
  • Fanon Discontinuity: Catch Me If You Can is their most polarizing song yet. Even SONEs weren't particularly fond of it. Some tried to defend it saying it doesn't count as a "real" SNSD song because it's a Japanese release, not a Korean one, despite being released for both markets on the same day, and it implies their Japanese discography is not as good as their Korean one; even though most would say it's the opposite.
  • Fan-Preferred Couple
    • TaeNy (Taeyeon x Tiffany). Just try searching up SNSD fanfiction; chances are, at least half of them is TaeNy. Even their own agency seems to know how popular it is and makes use of it (Lost in Love duet anyone?). It has been utterly sunk as of the revelation that Taeyeon is dating EXO's Baekhyun and Tiffany having dated 2PM's Nickhun for a time. Reaction has been... mixed to negative (see Yoko Oh No).)note 
    • There is also the SunByung couple (Sunny x Hyomin of T-ARA), popularized during Invincible Youth's run. Every now and then a news article will spring up showing the girls are still very close, and the shippers come out of hibernation.
  • Germans Love David Hasselhoff
    • Hyoyeon enjoys a lot more popularity in the west, and member Sooyoung is particularly beloved in Japan. In Korea, the usual top favourites are Taeyeon and Yoona, with Hyoyeon and Sooyoung ranking a lot lower in popularity (but still being intensely popular, being members of the National Girl Group).
    • Even after her firing, Jessica is the most popular member in China, to the point she has more fans than all the other girls in SNSD together. It was number one in fancafe charts, until it was replaced by T-Ara, yet she still is the only one listed that is not in a group to score that high.
  • Harsher in Hindsight
    • During a segment of Star Golden Bell, one of the MCs had to guess whose mother was the woman who they had invited. One of the options was Tiffany. In fact, as soon as she appeared, the MC started to think that it had to be Tiffany's, since they really looked alike. All of this happened, of course, before it was revealed that Tiffany's mother passed away before her debut.
    • Jessica's image as an "Ice Princess" on stage, i.e. not smiling all the time, seems to be result of health issues she has which have caused her to faint very often, according to those who know her in real-life and have worked with her.
    • Sunny has been noted for "losing spark" among fans, but she has had chronic knee injuries that have seemingly gotten worse instead of better. She seems to be taking tons of painkillers that affect her on-stage performance, making her more drowsy.
  • Internet Backdraft
    • Never mention the words "plastic surgery" and "Girls' Generation" in the same sentence. It has somewhat died down, with most having come to accept reality for what it is, and not care about it.
    • Bringing up Taeyeon dating EXO member Baekhyun hardly ends well - she's been on the receiving end of one hell of a backlash from EXO fans, who are calling her such things as a "pedophile", even though she's only three years older than Baekhyun. Angry netizens also said that SNSD is now "on a downward spiral" and "should just break up already".
    • Everything about Jessica's departure is nearly impossible to bring up without getting backlash from ANYONE. There's:
      • The discussion of who's to blame and who's the victim which has split the fandom in half - while Jessica does get plenty of hate, a lot also seems to be directed at the other members for booting her or not supporting her, thanks to a statement that Jessica released that claimed the other eight girls were initially supportive of her starting the business before suddenly turning around and telling her to choose between the company and the group. Surprisingly, SM admitted this part of the story.
      • The hot debate of just what made SM kick Jessica out and which stories are true and false. Besides Jessica's statement that the group made her choose between them and her business, there were rumors of Jessica's wanting to leave the group circulating for almost a year before the scandal hit. Then there are those few who believe the less reasonable theory that the booting from SNSD was supposed to be a bluff to hurry Jessica, who had not yet arrived for promotions - which she supposedly seriously, and out of feelings of betrayal, complained on social media before anyone could even realize what had just happened. The reveal that she had officially filed suit to leave SM Entertainment using a Sejong lawyer - despite repeatedly insisting she hadn't been meeting with lawyers at all - did nothing to help her case.
      • And then she revealed that contrary to her previous claims, she was in a relationship with Tyler alongside the release of her mini-album, and she said she keeps in contact with some of the members...even after claiming they were mostly responsible for her departure. The fandom went nuts. It's worth noting though that 1) the incident in which she was forced out had taken place two years ago and emotions (both Jessica's and the girls' could've been running high among other factors, and 2) she could've been denying her recording sessions as a way to keep her plans to release her mini-album a secret as she would later announce her solo album in January/February of 2016 and had been sending out hints of it since early December 2015. Jessica would also later state in an interview with Billboard that she never planned to stop doing music after coming out with B&E.
      • Jessica's company "BLANC" and how legit/successful it truly is is very flame bait-y. It received heat when it was seen out there is already a Japanese sunglasses company with the same name (however she noted this and changed the company's name to BLANC & ECLARE), and the behind the scenes action is very shady since Jessica's business partner and boyfriend Tyler Kwon apparently has a pretty bad reputationnote . And then the announcement in December 2015 that Jessica will be releasing a solo album, and that Tyler had purchased Clear Company, home to Playback (a group which SNSD has publicly supported).
      • The announcement that fans could get a copy of the signed album if they purchased $350 dollars worth of BLANC & ECLARE cosmetics was a little sour for some people.
    • Jessica's departure has even brought attention to her sister Krystal. Krystal has been the subject of several controversies over her sour expression every time she sees SNSD performing, and even walking off the stage to avoid them. It's worth noting that Krystal supported her fellow f(x) member Sulli leaving the group to continue her dreams, and has criticized Jessica in the past when she didn't agree with her, so it's obvious Krystal definitely thinks Jessica has been wronged in this whole fiasco. She even walked hand to hand with Jessica in W Korea Event, just to show her support publicly.
    • SNSD used to sell a sisterly/bff image to the fans, nicknamed "the Soshi bond", which was pretty much destroyed after Jessica's departure and the circumstances around it. Despite the "reveal", some members still mention they believe in the bond, leading to some nasty backlash from some fans for their perceived insincerity.
      • There are also rumours of discord swirling around Tiffany, as some fans have noticed that certain members have been caught rather openly showing their their exasperation and frustration with her. Of particular note is Taeyeon (and later Sooyoung's) showing visible distaste for Tiffany's high notes. Taeyeon was also seen visibly rolling her eyes at Tiffany after the latter requested that Taeyeon join her in praying onstage.
      • This is a good reason why Jessica's departure has split SONEs in regards to Tiffany - many say if someone had to leave the group, it would have been better if it was Base Breaker Tiffany (who many feel "adds nothing to the group", and has a very controversial voice/singing style) than Jessica, who was arguably a better singer (although she has a very polarizing voice herself). Arguments get nasty since SONEs have noticed the person who profits the most from Jessica's departure is Tiffany. Other members such as Sooyoung, Yoona and Sunny have profited somewhat from her departure too (mostly by getting more lines and screen-time), but they have escaped the hate because they have been mostly stuck in the background during their time in the group, and they put effort into trying to make up for Jessica not being there, while Tiffany's ad-libs and "raps" have always been controversial.
    • The destruction of the Soshi-bond image in the eyes of some fans has brought to attention the cliques among the girls - TaeNy (Taeyeon/Tiffany) in particular. Fans of Seohyun are noticing more and more how the TaeTiSeo subunit seems to be more along the lines of "TaeNy feat. Seohyun", with Seohyun given less lines and (some feel) shoddier styling.
      • Just look at the reactions of the other girls during this incident on a radio show.
    • This picture of Tiffany being roughly hugged by OFWGKTA leader Tyler, the Creator led to many allegations and outcries that Tyler had sexually harassed her; these were settled rather quickly, with lots of people complaining on how they thought Tyler was getting flak for his color.
  • Les Yay: How most fans ship them. The girls themselves have talked about their ideal men, stated they would like to settle down and get married (heterosexually) and some have also have been revealed to be dating, but their actions don't do a good job of convincing fans. Gives another meaning to Yuri Fan.
    • An example is when Sooyoung kissed Taeyeon onstage, although that was only one of the most visible as it happened on a music show. They've been kissing each other since long before. They've even stated that Sunny is all the first kiss for everyone in the group.
    • The pairings are divided as follows: Royal (TaeNy, YulSic, YoonHyun, SooSun), Ace (JeTi, HyoYoung, SunYeon), Deuce/Full House (YulTi, YoonSic) and Dice (all other pairings).
  • Memetic Mutation:
    • "Gee" has become one within the StarCraft community due to the line "Gee gee gee gee, baby baby baby" resembling "GG"; short for good game, typed near or at the end of a match. G-Dragon of Big Bang also mentioned it in his song "Leaders": "My name is G-G-G baby baby baby GD GD baby baby." And then Aram of G.I. (Global Icon) had a part in their debut song that went "G - G - G - G.I.".
    • "Youtube is my best friend, is Youtube your best friend?" a cringe-worthy line uttered by Tiffany during the first Youtube Awards.
  • Ship Sinking:
    • TaengSic (Taeyeon x Jessica). No one knows what happened between them or why their interactions just completely stopped. WMG from fans range from them getting into a fight to Tiffany stealing Taeyeon away. Has also sort of become a fandom inside joke. Officially sunk ever since Taeyon was revealed to be dating Exo's Baekhyun.
    • Pretty much all pairings including Taeyeon, Sooyoung, and Yuri were torpedoed ever since they revealed they were all actually dating (men)note  - although Sooyoung is the only one currently still in a relationship and Jessica's gone from the group.
  • She Really Can Act: Sooyoung. She's received multiple awards, been ranked at or near the top of several "Best Idol Actor/Actresses" lists, and has always been spoken of highly by her costars, who were surprised at how much they'd underestimated her.
  • Ship-to-Ship Combat: A lot of fights over ships occur, particularly in the TaeNySic triangle.
  • Signature Song: "Gee", which shot them to their fame. Also see Memetic Mutation.
  • Squick: It was revealed that a 46-year-old man had been pretending to be a video director for SM. This uh "job" of his lead him to do many leaps and bounds beyond the usual creep.
    • He not only started a rumour about an English album that Taeyeon herself had to shut down, he also made a fake casting call for young girls and women to come out and dance for an alleged music video in LA. He had several fake profiles of SNSD members set up (SM has repeatedly stated that no member has Facebook) and used them to make himself look more "real". As a result, he had young women fawning over him, calling him "oppa", "appa" and "papa angel" - allegedly some of them were fake profiles he created. Thus, he came across as borderline pedophilic, regularly interacting with vulnerable underage girls and pretending he knows their idols to manipulate them.
    • He also posted badly edited photos of himself and "official" ID cards (with blatant spelling mistakes and artists listed on the cards whom didn't even belong to SM). It's unclear if he really did work for SM as people have mentioned that, while they did indeed see him at various K-Pop events, his behaviour was very odd (unlike the usual SM representative, he wasn't wearing identification, was wandering around and not doing anything etc). Even when someone from Globalone studios posted a message on his wall telling him not to associate himself with the studio, he promptly deleted it and blocked her. At the very least, Blevins abused his position as an SM staffer.
    • Even after he was finally brought to the attention of SM and was supposedly shut down, his profile has still been spotted. And not only does he still has several fake profiles, he is apparently dating/married to a woman who has changed her display name to "Seohyun Blevins". It's incredibly squicky.
  • What Do You Mean, It Wasn't Made on Drugs?
    • The trailer of their 1st Japanese album. The songs are fine, the visuals are...odd.
    • And then we have the full track digest, from 0:46 onwards.
  • WTH, Costuming Department?: During their early days, Hyoyeon ALWAYS got stuck with the grotesque hairstyles.
  • Yoko Oh No: Girls' Generation and SM Entertainment have been very discreet about disclosing their relationships publicly due to their Contractual Purity. That changed in 2014 however:
    • Five of the nine members were revealed to have been dating (though Hyoyeon's was revealed through a police report from her arrest, and the two have supposedly broken up). Every one of these relationships was well-received — except for Taeyeon, who had started a relationship with Baekhyun from EXO. Taeyeon received a myriad of death threats on her Instagram account and had to post multiple apologies to appease her fans.
    • While fans have started lashing out at SM Entertainment and the other eight members, fans have started blaming Jessica's boyfriend Tyler Kwon, the CEO and Chairman of Coridel Group and the Chairman of Seoulcilite Group, for Jessica's termination from the group.
    • Though some fans saw it coming, there were also negative reactions to Tiffany and Nickhun's dating news in 2014, mostly from Taeyon/Tiffany shippers. So negative that Tiffany once posted a picture on her instagram of her wearing a red Mickey Mouse beanie and shippers raged just because Nickhun's favourite color is red and his favourite cartoon character is Mickey Mouse. TaeNy shippers flooded Nickhun's twitter with hateful messages and death threats and one particular person reveled in the fact that Nickhun blocked them.

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