YMMV: Girls' Generation

  • Base Breaker: A good chunk of the members have both very vocal supporters and anti-fans within the fandom.
    • Is Tiffany a good singer with a great personality, or is she an annoying attention-seeker who needs to shut up and let the other girls have a chance?
      • Is her going to her fellow members' productions and cheering for them an awesome way to show support, or is it just her being obnoxious and over the top as always?
    • Jessica. Lazy and unprofessional or down to earth and realistic? Was she kicked out by SM for no reason, or did she screw up her priorities in favour of her fiancee and her company?
    • Sooyoung. Is she deserving of more lines and attention, or does she add nothing to SNSD and only got into the group because her father is rich? And actress Sooyoung, who doesn't meet the beauty standards of Korean actressesnote  yet has been praised by veteran actors for her skill - is such "ugliness" from an actress unacceptable, or should netizens see past that for her acclaimed talent?
    • Sunny. Talented and adorkable with an extra helping of badass determinator or two-faced annoying attention-seeker who only got into SNSD because her uncle is the founder of SM Entertainment?
    • Hyoyeon. Awesome badass dancer or useless, ugly and can't sing?
    • Yoona. Has she gone into a decline ever since Sooyoung "replaced" her as lead dancer, or is she still at the same level she always was?
  • Broken Base
    • A very mild version, when Tiffany announced in mid 2013 that there would be more singles by TaeTiSeo. Some Sones were delighted, others were... unhappy, feeling the trio were already overexposed especially since "Mr. Mr" already focused greatly on just those three, and some went as far as to call them "Taeyeon and Tiffany feat. Seohyun, Jessica and some other random girls". It doesn't help that it followed Yuri and Hyoyeon announcing that there would be new subunits (and Yuri teased that the next subunit would be YoonYulSic (Yoona, Yuri and Jessica). Since then nothing more has happened, and indeed subunits might be scuppered entirely following Jessica's departure.
    • The reaction to TaeTiSeo getting their own reality show "The TaeTiSeo", which debuted before their second mini album "Holler", was very split. Some Sones felt this is an extremely stupid move especially after Taeyeon's dating scandal, and were tired of all the attention being focused on those three (especially Tiffany, whose attention whore tendencies were turning her into the black sheep of the group), while others didn't see a problem with it, saying it's good that Taeyeon isn't shying away from being in the spotlight.
    • I Got A Boy. The changes in tempo and even style made it a polarizing song among the fanbase. Western music reviewers have appreciated the effort of trying to sound different.
    • Their discography since "The Boys" album is divisive to say the least. Before that, SNSD's songs were seen as consistently good. 'Gee' was their breakout song, but the pre-Gee era in retrospect is seen as a climb to the top, meaning always improving. Post-Gee albums were also well received, with 'Genie' being considered not only their best era, but best K-Idol era ever. And then "The Boys" came. This is seen as the beginning of the fall.
    • The reason given by SM is Jessica was fired for not putting enough effort in the group. Neither do the others though, so why did only Jessica get fired?
  • Cargo Shipping: Jessica with air conditioners, and her phone, which she even brought with her onstage during a live performance.
  • Covered Up: In the case of their self-titled song, if not for the popularity of the song itself, then for its association with the group.
  • Ear Worm
    • Oh, Gee, Genie, Run Devil Run and Hoot.
    • Their Japanese audiences also have some that aren't translated cover versions; Mr. Taxi and Bad Girl.
    • There is also The Boys (Korean/English Versions), Trick, Top Secret and OSCAR, among others.
    • Ladies and gentlemen, behold - TOP, Flower Power, Paparazzi and the Japanese version of Boomerang from the second Japanese album? On the slower side, we have All My Love Is For You and Time Machine.
    • I Got A Boy - love it or hate it, this thing will get stuck in your head. "Oh! Oh Oh Eh Oh/Oh Oh Eh Oh/Neo jalnatda jeongmal!"
    • Any of their Japanese singles - Galaxy Supernova and Love and Girls, especially. "In the galaxy (galaxy)!"
    • Their self-titled song. It helps that there are several epic riffs throughout.
  • Epic Riff: The keyboard and guitar riffs in the self-titled song.
  • Fandom Rivalry
    • Most notably with ELFs, Super Junior's fandom. Which is pretty ironic, as both groups are from the same company and support each other very much.
    • Also between 2NE1 fans (Blackjacks) and Sones. Arguments mostly about the looks of the members of each group, and which group is more "talented". Just look at any of the comments in each of their music videos - it's enough to make you want to smack them all upside the head.
    • There was the whole CARTEL incident, a.k.a Black Ocean 2008. Cassies (DBSK fans), ELFs (SJ fans) and TripleS (SS501 fans) turned off their lightsticks at a concert for SNSD and... behaved badly. Suffice it to say that nobody was innocent - Sones apparently had a couple issues themselves - and that is all that we will say about that!
    • Ever since Taeyeon and Baekhyun of EXO were revealed to be dating, it's Sones vs EXO-L.
    • There's nearly always a fandom war between Sones and stans of any girl group (eg. A Pink, AOA) since unwanted comparisons to SNSD are often made.
    • As of Jessica's forced removal from the group, there's Team Jessica vs. Team SM Entertainment, due to SM's habit of smearing their talents who they remove from groups or talents who leave like Han Geng, JYJ, Kris and Luhan from EXO; Team Jessica vs. Team OT8, due to Jessica's statement which stated the other members called a meeting and forced her to choose between her new company and being in the group and the rumor Dispatch claimed from an anonymous source who was close to the girls stating that Jessica wanted to leave for a while; Team Jessica vs. Team Taeyeon, due to the widespread speculation that Taeyeon, being the oldest and the leader of the group, had chosen to boot Jessica and that her and Jessica never got along at all.
      • Team Jessica vs. Team SM Entertainment is largely Team Jessica among international fans, and Team SM Entertainment among Korean netizens. In fact, SM Entertainment has been described as a clingy ex for its treatment of former employees by international fans. Additionally, Korean fans have complained for having their positive comments about Jessica removed by SM, who is known to reach the media through shady means. Meaning even Korean fans aren't completely against Jessica, they're being shut up. What's worse, the negative comments don't affect the opinion about Jessica in the international fandom, but paint Korean people as very racist and xenophobic.
  • Fan-Preferred Couple - TaeNy (Taeyeon x Tiffany). Just try searching up SNSD fanfiction; chances are, at least half of them is TaeNy. Even their own agency seems to know how popular it is and makes use of it (Lost in Love duet anyone?). It has been utterly sunk as of the revelation that Taeyeon is dating EXO's Baekhyun and that Tiffany is dating 2PM's Nickhun. Reaction has been... mixed to negative (see Yoko Oh No).
  • Harsher in Hindsight - During a segment of Star Golden Bell, one of the MCs had to guess whose mother was the woman who they had invited. One of the options was Tiffany. In fact, as soon as she appeared, the MC started to think that it had to be Tiffany's, since they really looked alike. All of this happened, of course, before it was revealed that Tiffany's mother passed away before her debut.
  • Ho Yay - How most fans ship them. The girls themselves have talked about their ideal men, stated they would like to settle down and get married (heterosexually) and some have also have been revealed to be dating, but their actions don't do a good job of convincing fans. Gives another meaning to Yuri Fan.
    • An example is when Sooyoung kissed Taeyeon onstage, although that was only one of the most visible as it happened on a music show. They've been kissing each other since long before. They've even stated that Sunny is all the first kiss for everyone in the group.
    • The pairings are divided as follows: Royal (TaeNy, YulSic, YoonHyun, SooSun), Ace (JeTi, HyoYoung, SunYeon), Deuce/Full House (YulTi, YoonSic) and Dice (all other pairings).
  • Internet Backdraft
    • Never mention the words "plastic surgery" and "Girls' Generation" in the same sentence.
      • It has somewhat died down now, with most have come to accept reality for what it is, and not care about it.
    • Bringing up Taeyeon dating EXO member Baekhyun hardly ends well - she's been on the receiving end of one hell of a backlash from EXO fans, who are calling her such things as a "pedophile", even though she's only three years older than Baekhyun. Angry netizens also said that SNSD is now "on a downward spiral" and "should just break up already".
    • Everything about Jessica's departure is nearly impossible to bring up without getting backlash from ANYONE. There's:
      • The discussion of who's to blame and who's the victim which has split the fandom in half - while Jessica does get plenty of hate, a lot also seems to be directed at the other members for booting her or not supporting her, thanks to a statement that Jessica released that claimed the other eight girls were initially supportive of her starting the business before suddenly turning around and telling her to choose between the company and the group. Surprisingly, SM admitted this part of the story.
      • The hot debate of just what made SM kick Jessica out and which stories are true and false. Besides Jessica's statement that the group made her choose between them and her business, there were rumors of Jessica's wanting to leave the group circulating for almost a year before the scandal hit. Then there are those few who believe the less reasonable theory that the booting from SNSD was supposed to be a bluff to hurry Jessica, who had not yet arrived for promotions - which she supposedly seriously, and out of feelings of betrayal, complained on social media before anyone could even realize what had just happened.
    • Jessica's company "BLANC" and how legit/successful it truly is is very flame bait-y. It received heat when it was seen out there is already a Japanese sunglasses company with the same name (however she noted this and changed the company's name to BLANC & ECLARE), and the behind the scenes action is very shady since Jessica's business partner and alleged boyfriend Tyler Kwon apparently has a pretty bad reputationnote .
  • Memetic Mutation: "Gee" has become one within the StarCraft community due to the line "Gee gee gee gee, baby baby baby" resembling "GG"; short for good game, typed near or at the end of a match. G-Dragon of Big Bang also mentioned it in his song "Leaders": "My name is G-G-G baby baby baby GD GD baby baby." And then Aram of G.I. (Global Icon) had a part in their debut song that went "G - G - G - G.I.".
  • Narm: A lot of things Tiffany says and does, such as "Youtube is my best friend" when SNSD won the first Youtube Award. Yet, SM doesn't stop from putting her in the spotlight, despite she is prone to repeating her cringe-worthy incidents. Even Sones are tired of her, and since Jessica left, it's expected to get worse. Tiffany's English skills set her up to take Jessica's place in songs, and Jessica sung most of the songs.
    • Averted with Catch Me If You Can, Jessica's lines were distributed equally in the group, allowing for the first time SHY (Sooyoung, Hyoyeon, Yuri) to stand out since...forever. Despite the generally negative reaction the song received, the choreography and Tiffany's limited screentime have been praised as its biggest positive traits.
  • Periphery Demographic: SNSD has lots of fans outside their target demographic eg. ahjussi and samchon fans (middle aged men and uncles, respectively).
  • ShipSinking:
    • TaengSic (Taeyeon x Jessica). No one knows what happened between them or why their interactions just completely stopped. WMG from fans range from them getting into a fight to Tiffany stealing Taeyeon away. Has also sort of become a fandom inside joke. Officially sunk ever since Taeyon was revealed to be dating Exo's Baekhyun.
    • Pretty much all pairings including Yoona, Taeyeon, Tiffany and Sooyoung have been torpedoed ever they're all actually dating (men)note  and Jessica's gone from the group.
  • Ship-to-Ship Combat: So much. Happens a lot in the TaeNySic triangle.
  • Signature Song: Gee which shot them to their fame. Also see Memetic Mutation.
  • Squick: It was revealed that a 46-year-old man had been pretending to be a video director for SM. This uh "job" of his lead him to do many leaps and bounds beyond the usual creep.
    • He not only started a rumour about an English album that Taeyeon herself had to shut down, he also made a fake casting call for young girls and women to come out and dance for an alleged music video in LA. He had several fake profiles of SNSD members set up (SM has repeatedly stated that no member has Facebook) and used them to make himself look more "real". As a result, he had young women fawning over him, calling him "oppa", "appa" and "papa angel" - allegedly some of them were fake profiles he created. Thus, he came across as borderline pedophilic, regularly interacting with vulnerable underage girls and pretending he knows their idols to manipulate them.
    • He also posted badly edited photos of himself and "official" ID cards (with blatant spelling mistakes and artists listed on the cards whom didn't even belong to SM). It's unclear if he really did work for SM as people have mentioned that, while they did indeed see him at various K-Pop events, his behaviour was very odd (unlike the usual SM representative, he wasn't wearing identification, was wandering around and not doing anything etc). Even when someone from Globalone studios posted a message on his wall telling him not to associate himself with the studio, he promptly deleted it and blocked her. At the very least, Blevins abused his position as an SM staffer.
    • Even after he was finally brought to the attention of SM and was supposedly shut down, his profile has still been spotted. And not only does he still has several fake profiles, he is apparently dating/married to a woman who has changed her display name to "Seohyun Blevins". It's incredibly squicky.
  • They Just Didn't Care: The girls have stopped giving decent performances long ago, but it became worse with Jessica's departure. This video shows them not even trying to perform Gee. What's worse, this is exactly what they fired Jessica for.
    • Taeyeon admitted she hates most of the songs they're forced to sing.
  • What Do You Mean, It Wasn't Made on Drugs?
    • The trailer of their 1st Japanese album. The songs are fine, the visuals are...odd.
    • And then we have the full track digest, from 0:46 onwards.
  • WTH, Costuming Department?: During their early days, Hyoyeon ALWAYS got stuck with the grotesque hairstyles.
  • Yoko Oh No: Girls' Generation and SM Entertainment have been very discreet about disclosing their relationships publicly due to their Contractual Purity. That changed in 2014 however:
    • Five of the nine members were revealed to have been dating (though Hyoyeon's was revealed through a police report from her arrest, and the two have supposedly broken up). Every one of these relationships was well-received — except for Taeyeon, who had started a relationship with Baekhyun from EXO. Taeyeon received a myriad of death threats on her Instagram account and had to post multiple apologies to appease her fans.
    • While fans have started lashing out at SM Entertainment and the other eight members, fans have started blaming Jessica's rumored boyfriend Tyler Kwon, the CEO and Chairman of Coridel Group and the Chairman of Seoulcilite Group, for Jessica's termination from the group.
    • Though some fans saw it coming, there have also been negative reactions to Tiffany and Nickhun's dating news in 2014, mostly from Taeyon/Tiffany shippers. So negative that Tiffany once posted a picture on her instagram of her wearing a red Mickey Mouse beanie and shippers raged just because Nickhun's favourite color is red and his favourite cartoon character is Mickey Mouse. TaeNy shippers flooded Nickhun's twitter with hateful messages and death threats and one particular person reveled in the fact that Nickhun blocked them.