These are what we call the 'YMMV items.' Things that some people find in this work. We call them 'your mileage might vary' because not everyone sees these things in the same way. This starts discussions in the trope lists, a thing we don't want. Please use the discussion page if you'd like to discuss any of these items.
A very mild version, when Tiffany announced in mid 2013 that there would be more singles by TaeTiSeo. Some Sones were delighted, others were... unhappy, feeling the trio were already overexposed especially since "Mr. Mr" already focused greatly on just those three, and some went as far as to call them "Taeyeon and Tiffany feat. Seohyun, Jessica and some other random girls". It doesn't help that it followed Yuri and Hyoyeon announcing that there would be new subunits (and Yuri teased that the next subunit would be YoonYulSic (Yoona, Yuri and Jessica). Since then nothing more has happened, and indeed subunits might be scuppered entirely following Jessica's departure.
The reaction to TaeTiSeo getting their own reality show "The TaeTiSeo", which debuted before their second mini album "Holler", was very split. Some Sones felt this is an extremely stupid move especially after Taeyeon's dating scandal, and were tired of all the attention being focused on those three (especially Tiffany, whose attention whore tendencies were turning her into the black sheep of the group), while others didn't see a problem with it, saying it's good that Taeyeon isn't shying away from being in the spotlight.
Is Tiffany a good singer with a great personality, or is she an annoying attention-seeker who needs to shut up and let the other girls have a chance?
Jessica. Lazy and unprofessional or down to earth and realistic? Was she kicked out by SM for no reason, or did she screw up her priorities in favour of her fiancee and her company?
Sooyoung. Is she deserving of more lines and attention, or does she add nothing to SNSD and only got into the group because her father is rich? And actress Sooyoung, who doesn't meet the beauty standards of Korean actressesnote Korean actresses are highly regarded and are expected to have top visuals - which Sooyoung apparently doesn't have due to "having that ugly South-East-Asian look" yet has been praised by veteran actors for her skill - is such "ugliness" from an actress unacceptable, or should netizens see past that for her acclaimed talent?
Sunny. Talented and adorkable with an extra helping of badass determinator or two-faced annoying attention-seeker who only got into SNSD because her uncle is the founder of SM Entertainment?
Hyoyeon. Awesome badass dancer or useless, ugly and can't sing?
Yoona. Has she gone into a decline ever since Sooyoung "replaced" her as lead dancer, or is she still at the same level she always was?
In general: If you look atchartsof thevarious members'solo screentime, it becomes obvious that the "Big Four" (Yoona, Jessica, Tiffany and Taeyeon) have a substantial amount more of lines/screentime than members like Sooyoung, Hyoyeon and Yuri (Seohyun and Sunny fell in the middle). One telling moment was when Jessica was revealed to have had three minutes and fifty seconds more screentime than Hyoyeon - practically the length of "Gee"! It doesn't seem like much at first, but when you think about it, you realize just how unfair it really is.
Yoona. A milder example than the others, she was criticized during SNSD's early days for being constantly at the centre of every performance, the fact that she was featured◊ on the Run Devil Run CD cover and generally "over-exposed" to the detriment of the other members.
Jessica. Her screentime/lines suddenly increased around the time of "The Boys", despite her voice/personality◊ being very divisive in the fanbase. She also drew heat for seemingly not caring about her performances/dances◊ anymore◊ (a popular internet meme is to show gifs of SNSD dancing... and Jessica's will◊ alwaysbe◊ wrong◊). To clarify - Jessica's nickname is "The Ice Princess/Lazy Princess", whose attitude◊ of being "cold, mean and aloof" and known tendency to be lazy◊ and "half-ass" her singing/dancing◊ is considered cute/adorable by some... and irritating/unprofessional by others.
Tiffany, good god. She doesn't have as stable a voice as say, Seohyun or Sunny, but has acquired more and more lines and ad-libs. There's "I Got A Boy" especially the bridge (3:38-3:50), where it's just her and Taeyeon while the others are basically indistinguishable in the background); and then there's their Japanese song "Indestructible", where she sings a good chunk of lines and actually more than the main singers themselves (Taeyeon and formerly Jessica) despite only being a "lead" singer. She even sings more than the entire dance line combined (which admittedly isn't hard to do - they get eight linesnote (one for Yoona, two for Hyoyeon and Yuri and three for Sooyoung) compared to her twelve).
Most notably with ELFs, Super Junior's fandom. Which is pretty ironic, as both groups are from the same company and support each other very much.
Also between 2NE1 fans (Blackjacks) and Sones. Arguments mostly about the looks of the members of each group, and which group is more "talented". Just look at any of the comments in each of their music videos - it's enough to make you want to smack them all upside the head.
There was the whole CARTEL incident, a.k.a Black Ocean 2008. Cassies (DBSK fans), ELFs (SJ fans) and TripleS (SS501 fans) turned off their lightsticks at a concert for SNSD and... behaved badly. Suffice it to say that nobody was innocent - Sones apparently had a couple issues themselves - and that is all that we will say about that!
Ever since Taeyeon and Baekhyun of EXO were revealed to be dating, it's Sones vs EXO-L.
As of Jessica's forced removal from the group, there's Team Jessica vs. Team SM Entertainment, due to SM's habit of smearing their talents who they remove from groups or talents who leave like Han Geng, JYJ, Kris and Luhan from EXO; Team Jessica vs. Team OT8, due to Jessica's statement which stated the other members called a meeting and forced her to choose between her new company and being in the group and the rumor Dispatch claimed from an anonymous source who was close to the girls stating that Jessica wanted to leave for a while; Team Jessica vs. Team Taeyeon, due to the widespread speculation that Taeyeon, being the oldest and the leader of the group, had chosen to boot Jessica and that her and Jessica never got along at all.
Fan-Preferred Couple - TaeNy (Taeyeon x Tiffany). Just try searching up SNSD fanfiction; chances are, at least half of them is TaeNy. Even their own agency seems to know how popular it is and makes use of it (Lost in Love duet anyone?). It has been utterly sunk as of the revelation that Taeyeon is dating EXO's Baekhyun and that Tiffany is dating 2PM's Nickhun. Reaction has been... mixed to negative.
So negative that recently Tiffany posted a picture on her instagram of her wearing a red Mickey Mouse beanie and raged just because Nickhun's favourite color is red and his favourite cartoon character is Mickey Mouse. TaeNy shippers flooded Nickhun's twitter with hateful messages and death threats and one particular person reveled in the fact that Nickhun blocked them.
Harsher in Hindsight - During a segment of Star Golden Bell, one of the MCs had to guess whose mother was the woman who they had invited. One of the options was Tiffany. In fact, as soon as she appeared, the MC started to think that it had to be Tiffany's, since they really looked alike. All of this happened, of course, before it was revealed that Tiffany's mother passed away before her debut.
Never mention the words "plastic surgery" and "Girls' Generation" in the same sentence.
Bringing up Taeyeon dating EXO member Baekhyun hardly ends well - she's been on the receiving end of one hell of a backlash from EXO fans, who are calling her such things as a "pedophile", even though she's only three years older than Baekhyun. Angry netizens also said that SNSD is now "on a downward spiral" and "should just break up already".
Everything about Jessica's departure is nearly impossible to bring up without getting backlash from ANYONE. There's:
The discussion of who's to blame and who's the victim which has split the fandom in half - while Jessica does get plenty of hate, a lot also seems to be directed at the other members for booting her or not supporting her, thanks to a statement that Jessica released that claimed the other eight girls were initially supportive of her starting the business before suddenly turning around and telling her to choose between the company and the group. Surprisingly, SM admitted this part of the story.
The hot debate of just what made SM kick Jessica out and which stories are true and false. Besides Jessica's statement that the group made her choose between them and her business, there were rumors of Jessica's wanting to leave the group circulating for almost a year before the scandal hit. Then there are those few who believe the less reasonable theory that the booting from SNSD was supposed to be a bluff to hurry Jessica, who had not yet arrived for promotions - which she supposedly seriously, and out of feelings of betrayal, complained on social media before anyone could even realize what had just happened.
Jessica's company "BLANC" and how legit/successful it truly is is very flame bait-y. It received heat when it was seen out there is already a Japanese sunglasses company with the same name (however she noted this and changed the company's name to BLANC & ECLARE), and the behind the scenes action is very shady since Jessica's business partner and alleged boyfriend Tyler Kwon apparently has a pretty bad reputationnote he allegedly used his previous girlfriend Gillian Chung to gain a foothold in the entertainment world and then supposedly discarded her for Jessica, who he then proceeded to follow to all her events.
Their discography since "The Boys" album is divisive to say the least. Before that, SNSD's songs were seen as consistently good. 'Gee' was their breakout song, but the pre-Gee era in retrospect is seen as a climb to the top, meaning always improving. Post-Gee albums were also well received, with 'Genie' being considered not only their best era, but best K-Idol era ever. And then "The Boys" came. This is seen as the beginning of the fall.
Memetic Mutation - "Gee" has become one within the StarCraft community due to the line "Gee gee gee gee, baby baby baby" resembling "GG"; short for good game, typed near or at the end of a match. G-Dragon of Big Bangalso mentioned it in his song "Leaders": "My name is G-G-G baby baby baby GD GD baby baby." And then Aram of G.I. (Global Icon) had a part in their debut song that went "G - G - G - G.I.".
Periphery Demographic - SNSD has lots of fans outside their target demographic: i.e. ahjussi and samchon fans (middle aged men and uncles, respectively).
TaengSic (Taeyeon x Jessica). No one knows what happened between them or why their interactions just completely stopped. WMG from fans range from them getting into a fight to Tiffany stealing Taeyeon away. Has also sort of become a fandom inside joke. Officially sunk ever since Taeyon was revealed to be dating Exo's Baekhyun.
Pretty much all pairings including Yoona, Taeyeon, Tiffany and Sooyoung have been torpedoed ever they're all actually dating (men)note Lee Seunggi, Exo's Baekhyun, 2PM's Nickhun and Jung Kyung Ho respectively and Jessica's gone from the group.
Squick: It was revealed that a 46-year-old man had been pretending to be a video director for SM. This uh "job" of his lead him to do many leaps and bounds beyond the usual creep.
He not only started a rumour about an English album that Taeyeon herself had to shut down, he also made a fake casting call for young girls and women to come out and dance for an alleged music video in LA. He had several fake profiles of SNSD members set up (SM has repeatedly stated that no member has Facebook) and used them to make himself look more "real". As a result, he had young women fawning over him, calling him "oppa", "appa" and "papa angel" - allegedly some of them were fake profiles he created. Thus, he came across as borderline pedophilic, regularly interacting with vulnerable underage girls and pretending he knows their idols to manipulate them.
He also posted badly edited photos of himself and "official" ID cards (with blatant spelling mistakes and artists listed on the cards whom didn't even belong to SM). It's unclear if he really did work for SM as people have mentioned that, while they did indeed see him at various K-Pop events, his behaviour was very odd (unlike the usual SM representative, he wasn't wearing identification, was wandering around and not doing anything etc). Even when someone from Globalone studios posted a message on his wall telling him not to associate himself with the studio, he promptly deleted it and blocked her. At the very least, Blevins abused his position as an SM staffer.
Even after he was finally brought to the attention of SM and was supposedly shut down, his profile has still been spotted. And not only does he still has several fake profiles, he is apparently dating/married to a woman who has changed her display name to "Seohyun Blevins". It's incredibly squicky.
Yoko Oh No - Girls' Generation and SM Entertainment have been very discreet about disclosing their relationships publicly due to their Contractual Purity. That changed in 2014 however:
Five of the nine members were revealed to have been dating (though Hyoyeon's was revealed through a police report from her arrest, and the two have supposedly broken up). Every one of these relationships was well-received — except for Taeyeon, who had started a relationship with Baekhyun from EXO. Taeyeon received a myriad of death threats on her Instagram account and had to post multiple apologies to appease her fans.
While fans have started lashing out at SM Entertainment and the other eight members, fans have started blaming Jessica's rumored boyfriend Tyler Kwon, the CEO and Chairman of Coridel Group and the Chairman of Seoulcilite Group, for Jessica's termination from the group.