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  • Anvilicious: Phil Collins' attempts at setting himself up as an artist with a social conscience were less than impressive - "Tell Me Why" was especially embarassing. Rutherford didn't fare much better - "Land of Confusion" was only saved by its sheer energy and the popular Spitting Image video.
  • Archive Panic: With over forty years' worth of material plus all kinds of bootlegs and each member's solo material, new fans can find it all a bit daunting.
    • Anthony Philips' solo catalogue alone (counting his program music, soundtracks and Private Parts And Pieces series) can be hard to keep up with, and very rare finds.
  • Awesome Music: Oh, so many. "Watcher Of The Skies" from Foxtrot immediately springs to mind.
    • Also, "Dancing with the Moonlit Knight", "Dance On A Volcano", "Firth Of Fifth", "Los Endos" and the ending sections of "The Musical Box", "Supper's Ready" and "Cinema Show".
    • Side One of The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway is very much up there too.
      • Side one hell. The whole album is generally considered a masterpiece and the band's Magnum Opus. note  Probably not the place to start for someone new to the band though - Foxtrot and Selling England are good choices.
    • For the post-Gabriel era: "One for the Vine", the "Duke" suite, "Home By The Sea," "Domino," and the various live medleys all come to mind.
  • Broken Base: Oh God, and how! Gabriel vs. Collins, Collins vs. Wilson, etc. etc. etc.
  • Crosses the Line Twice: "Harold The Barrel" from the album Nursery Cryme.
  • Ear Worm: Many of their songs, especially the Phil Collins-led era.
  • Ensemble Dark Horse: Phil Collins came out from behind his drum kit to take over as lead singer of the band, and then went on to have an astronomical solo career. Mike Rutherford has also found solo success with his band Mike + The Mechanics.
  • Epic Riff: "Dance on a Volcano". So epic, they reprise it during "Los Endos". During live performances, they reprise it again at the end.
  • Everyone Is Jesus in Purgatory: Some fans have come up with some rather interesting interpretations for various songs, including the theory that the Eighties pop album Invisible Touch is a concept album about nuclear war.
  • Face of the Band: Phil Collins was definitely this during The Eighties, to the extent that radio DJs would announce Genesis songs as either Phil Collins songs or "Phil Collins and Genesis", as though Genesis were merely Collins's backing band. It also meant that - to this day - long-time fans consider Collins to be singly responsible for the band's move into a more commercial direction, as though the other two members were either completely uninvolved, or somehow forced by Collins to go along.
    • Before this, Peter Gabriel. His theatricality, masks and costumes were a focal point of the band, to the point that many feared the band wouldn't be able to survive without him. It didn't help matters that the media thought Gabriel wrote all of the material (they credited the writing to "Genesis" to avoid in-fighting) and was responsible for all of the sound and creativity of the band. This is why post-Peter albums started crediting individual writers in the band (which actually did lead to in-group arguing and the departure of Steve Hackett) on the album sleeves, at least until they began writing as a democratic group in The Eighties.
  • Fanon Discontinuity: The following people (either individually or in any combination) never left/joined the band: Anthony Phillips, John Mayhew, Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, Phil Collins, and Ray Wilson. Also, no albums were ever recorded with/without some/any/all of these people.
    • Similarly, the band's fanbase is split in half: Those who prefer their Peter Gabriel led albums and those who like Phil Collins-led records. What albums exist usually depend on which side you're on.
    • That majority of old fans were actually quite happy with Phil Collins until the band got poppier to match his solo career. The albums "A Trick Of The Tail" and "Wind And Wuthering" are usually as well loved as the Gabriel albums.
    • Many people, including the band themselves tend to pretend that the album Calling All Stations never happened. None of the songs from that album were performed on the recent reunion tour.
    • Their first album also qualifies. Not only were Phil and Steve not on it, but the band does not own the rights to it, and it is distributed to the few who want to hear it by another company. Thus, most official discographies and catalogues make no mention of it. It's also pretty different from even their second album. Several demo pieces from it (missing the shitty string section forced on the band by manager Jonathan King) did make it onto the band's first box set.
  • Freud Was Right: The Slippermen, and Doktor Dyper's "cure" for same.
  • Germans Love David Hasselhoff: Not that they wren't big anywhere else, but they were huge in Italy, and pretty much from day one (Genesis's Italian pic sleeve singles are usually unique and very collectable). Similarly, Trespass, released to obscurity in England, was the number one album in Belgium shortly after release, leading to a hasty tour of the continent.
  • Misblamed: As mentioned in Face of the Band above, a lot of people think Phil dragged Mike and Tony kicking and screaming into the pop-rock 80's. Word of God (Tony) says that the near opposite is true. If not for him, Mike and Phil would be a straight up pop band, and Tony is the one keeping what little prog-rock influence there is in the band. And even then Tony's written his share of pop songs as well.
    • Tony also gets a hefty share of the blame from the band's fanbase over Gabriel and Hackett's departures. This despite the fact that both have mentioned the level of creative freedom they wanted would have been impossible in any kind of band structure. This has gone as far as claims that he ordered the engineers on Seconds Out to mix Hackett's guitar all the way to the back (something Tony once said as a joke, and Hackett denies ever really happened).
  • Newbie Boom: Following the success of Duke and Abacab, then carried over to the other side of the pond with Genesis.
  • Old Shame: Despite the song as a whole being nearly universally considered Crowning Music of Awesome, the lyrics to Firth of Fifth are considered by Tony Banks to be some of the worst he's ever written. On the reunion tour, they cut the lyrics out entirely and just played the epic middle section as an instrumental.
    • The entire band has been similarly negative about ...And Then There Were Three, recorded in the midst of Hackett's departure and Collins' divorce; the three recording members felt they were making an album simply to make an album.
    • "Who Dunnit?" from Abacab. It was written more or less as a joke, then the joke was taken even further by incorporating it into the tour setlist. To drive the point home, Mike Rutherford plays the drums.
  • Older Than They Think: Hackett made heavy use of the "tapping" and "sweep picking" techniques (often thought to be invented by 1980's heavy metal guitarists) in the early- to mid-70s.
  • Replacement Scrappy: Phil Collins was initially seen as this when he replaced Peter Gabriel. Ray Wilson was seen as this by many fans when he replaced Collins.
  • Sophomore Slump: Averted with Trespass, almost universally considered a huge improvement over From Genesis to Revelation. The band had kept writing songs during their early tours and cherry-picked the numbers that went over especially well for the album.
  • Special Effect Failure: In a documentary, Collins said The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway had at least one in every show they did. For example, one scene required two explosions onstage revealing Gabriel and a mannequin dressed as Gabriel to represent Rael's dual personality. The pyrotechnic expert was a bit overzealous on the explosives, resulting in a charred mannequin.
  • Surprisingly Improved Sequel: The Carpet Crawlers was a long established classic in the band's oeuvre, so when the classic lineup regrouped to rerecord in 1999, many groaned and wondered what the point was. However, when they heard it, a lot of people changed their minds. The rerecording takes the original melody and improves the dramatic qualities of the song. In the original, the melody line is mostly driven by an arpegiated organ, the drums are not really propulsive, and Peter Gabriel's voice couldn't quite handle the low notes. In the rerecording, all these issues are addressed, though the song may seem a bit sleek.
  • Tastes Like Diabetes: "Hold On My Heart" from We Can't Dance.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks: Several things throughout the band's career can provoke this reaction; most obviously, many older fans of Genesis feel this way about the band's output during the 1980's.
    • "Firth of Daryl note ," along with many other examples of the Collins-era band trying to cover Gabriel-era material. On the other hand, Gabriel actually praised Collins' renditions of his songs, claiming that Collins "sang them better" than he did.
    • Can also, oddly enough, refer to the band's choice of equipment. Hardcore fans blame the Korg Wavestation for Tony Banks' muddy, generic sound in the 1990's, and many (and occasionally even bandmembers) will point out that quite a few of the older songs don't sound particularly well on anything but the old, worn-out, tempermental machines they were recorded on note . And let's not get into Phil Collins and drum machines...
  • Tough Act to Follow: What happened after The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, until the band switched genres.
    • Also, Ray Wilson following Phil Collins as lead singer.
    • Collins following Gabriel into a solo career; it was Johnny Carson who once introduced him as "The man who made a career out of being not as good as Peter Gabriel."
    • In a certain sense, Daryl Stuermer's guitar and bass work, along with Chester Thompson's drumming, might get compared and contrasted to the musicians whose contributions they have to recreate in live performance. This might especially be the case for Daryl's recreations of Steve Hackett's guitar work, as unlike Mike Rutherford or Phil Collins, Hackett's physical presence onstage is missing from the trio-era lineup.
  • True Art Is Incomprehensible: The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, arguably. Also, Peter Gabriel's elaborate stage costumes and the bizarre stories he told between songs.
    • The costumes also helped Gabriel with his stage fright too.
  • What Do You Mean, It Wasn't Made on Drugs?: The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, and the surreal, fantastical stage show that resulted. Word of God claims the band were among the least drug-affected of bands in their era. This probably doesn't count Phil Collins, who spent the Lamb tour high as a kite, and "initiated" Hackett into the band by seeing how much Newcastle Brown Ale he could drink and still play the drums at a live gig. For a seventies rock band, that's practically straight-edge, though.
  • The Woobie: Phil Collins (see: Break the Cutie on the main page).

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