YMMV / Flashpoint

YMMV tropes for the comic book Flashpoint

  • Broken Base: The general plot point of Barry saving his mother from Thawne is continuous. Supproters on this say that Barry's actions were selfish and thus had to be punished. Detractors, however, point out that Thawne killing Nora Allen and framing Henry for it was itself a change to the timeline as they were originally alive and able to enjoy their son's success as the Flash until Barry's return in Flash: Rebirth and thus Flashpoint shouldn't have even happened at all because Barry was only undoing the damage Thawne did.
  • Cry for the Devil: This universe's Joker seems to be even crueler than the normal universe's Joker, reaching The Dark Knight levels of Cold-Blooded Torture, including turning Selina Kyle into a quadriplegic and tricking Jim Gordon into murdering Harvey Dent's daughter. And then you find out the Joker's identity: Martha Wayne! As well as the reasons why she snapped.
  • Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy: Between the massive bodycount, the relentlessly Crapsack World, and the whole thing taking place in an alternate universe so it doesn't matter anyway, most readers find Flashpoint very hard to sit through. And that of course not taking into account the massive anguish of Flash through the story due to what he accidentally did.
  • Eight Deadly Words: One reviewer about the event. It's hard to care about the events of an alternate universe that wouldn't exist or matter anyway after a few months. It's harder still when the overwhelming majority of the characters are so hideously unlikeable that you get the impression the world would be better off destroyed. Add in the fact that the only character from "our" DCU is Barry Allen, widely regarded as a Creator's Pet, and you have a comic that winds up mostly being a lot of empty, unpleasant noise.
  • Ensemble Darkhorse: Frankenstein and the Creatures of the Unknown received a lot of praise as well.
  • "Funny Aneurysm" Moment: In the miniseries Batman: Death and the Maidens of the original universe, Bruce once hallucinated meeting his parents after drinking an elixir. They both disapprove their son's costumed crusade. However, Thomas was more understanding, and was mostly unhappy that Bruce has to give up many things to become Batman. And yet here, Thomas is the one who is Batman...
  • Harsher in Hindsight:
    • The Amazons turning into Ax-Crazy murderers of normal humans was mocked back in Amazons Attack, but here, you can't even snark about it.
    • The "One Bad Day" speech in The Killing Joke is already pretty damn harsh, but it hits even harder when we see Martha Wayne becoming the Joker almost immediately after Bruce dies.
  • Jerk Ass Woobie: Martha "The Joker" Wayne. Maybe one of the most brutal incarnations of Joker. And all after her young son died in her arms and she completely lost it as a result.
  • Like You Would Really Do It: Subverted. People think they wouldn't make huge changes to the universe going forward, but then they did.
  • Magnificent Bastard: Michael Desai, the Outsider. He's perpetually two steps ahead of the most powerful heroes and villains in the Flashpoint verse despite never appearing before his tie-in mini.
  • Memetic Mutation: Almost as soon as promotional material (saying things like "The spaceship never crashed") popped up fans started doing their own versions.
  • Mis-blamed: With the sudden cancellation of the ongoing JSA All-Stars, Freedom Fighters, R.E.B.E.L.S., The Outsiders, Batman Confidential, & Doom Patrol monthlies, a number of disillusioned fans blamed Flashpoint and its MANY miniseries as being responsible. (That or that Dan Didio cancelled them for no reason). The real answer was that while they got good buzz, the numbers for each book weren't enough to keep them in production. It was sort of like the Blue Beetle all over again.
  • Narm: The ending of Batman Knight of Vengeance #2 "MARTHA!" It comes across in almost "Goddammit Martha, not this shit again.'' sort of way.
  • Padding: You can literally drop out all of Flashpoint #2 and not miss a damned thing.
  • The Scrappy: Flashpoint Wonder Woman and Aquaman for taking Adaptational Villainy to unbelievable levels.
  • Unfortunate Implications: Several things related to the series have caused controversy.
    • Much head-slapping ensued when the Flashpoint world map was released and people saw that most of Africa is listed simply as "Ape-controlled." Apparently no one at DC thought this might be taken badly when applied to a continent overwhelmingly populated by black people, given the historical tendency for black people to be likened to monkeys and apes in racist propaganda. For the record, "ape" in context refers to Gorilla Grodd, a previously established Flash villain who is literally a gorilla, but the fact that this is the only information we had on the entire continent (besides the fact that a large part of Northern Africa is missing due to the same war that destroyed most of Europe) was the real unfortunate part, and the fact that Batman: Incorporated had done something similar with the "Batman of Africa" (falling into an unfortunate tendency to treat the entire continent like it's one country) a few weeks earlier did nothing to help.
      • Amusingly enough, the Grodd one-shot actually seems to pull a Lampshade Hanging on the last part since he's pissed that no one cares about what's happening in Africa (though see Broken Aesop for why this falls a bit flat since it's technically his fault).
    • But whatever merits Grodd's Lampshading gain are then lost by the fact that the only real resistance he faces during his rampage comes in the form of a band of Child Soldiers and... Catman. That's right; the only costumed guy to face down Grodd is a white guy, doing so on behalf of South Africa.
    • Additionally, a variant cover that was released that showed Wonder Woman holding Mera's decapitated head drew controversy due to its blunt visual (ironically said cover is speculated to be a homage to a similar cover of Crime Suspenstories that was used as an example of bad taste that eventually lead to the creation of The Comics Code).
  • What Do You Mean, It Wasn't Made on Drugs?: Secret Seven.
  • The Woobie:
    • Superman. He crash-landed in Metropolis as a baby, accidentally killing thousands. Then he spent his entire life locked in a lab where he was no doubt experimented on for decades. Rockets for Krypto & Kara eventually arrived, but from the looks of it, they've faired worse than Kal-El (KRYPTO IS DEAD & A FREAKING SKELETON WHEN BARRY FINDS HIM!!). He has never known any human kindness nor contact and is so skinny & pale from NEVER seeing the sun.
      • He did have some human kindness in the form of General Lane who treated him as a son and more than an experiment, and also Kyrpto. But then Krypto was killed after mauling Lex Luthor as a kid, and General Lane was pulled into the Phantom Zone by Subject Zero who Kal helped free, while he protected Lois. He was then put back into the cage by General Adams and told he would live the rest of his life there, only coming out at certain times for tests, while he scribbles a picture of Lois on the ground.
    • Selina Kyle, Oracle. Almost totally paralyzed from a vicious attack by the Joker, she's unable to even wipe the tears from her eyes as she relives it.
    • Harvey Dent's son, who gets kidnapped by the Joker along with his sister, then has to watch his sister get killed by Jim Gordon because she was dressed by the Joker. And later, he has to watch the Joker kill Jim right in front of him.

YMMV tropes for the TV series Flashpoint:

  • Americans Hate Tingle: To put it simply, the show isn't nearly as popular in the U.S. as it is in Canada despite its support from CBS.
  • Cargo Ship: Many people tease Spike about Babycakes and how she was his "girlfriend".
  • Crowning Music of Awesome: The songs that play over the last few minutes of each episode tend to be pretty fitting/awesome. A list can be found here
    • The show's own, unreleased music is also pretty good, but sometimes it transcends to superb. During the fourth episode, Asking For Flowers, a woman has taken the abusive husband of her sister hostage; we get three variations on the same theme. First a sharp, harsh take as the husband manages to get the gun and starts choking out the woman while the team listens in. Then a longer, slower version while Parker distracts the husband with a phonecall and tries to convince him to deescalate, without admitting they know what's going on, building into optimistic as the tactical part of the team sets up their entry. Finally a drums version as he hangs up on Parker and makes as if he's going to shoot the woman, and then turning into relaxed horns to go with Ed Lane's "Put the gun down!" and the husband being cuffed and brought out.
  • Harsher in Hindsight: The episode "Good Cop" is about a cop who gets demonized by everyone because he accidentally shot an innocent kid. A year after that, the death of Trayvon Martin happened.
    • The series finale "Keeping the Peace, Part 2" is haunting considering that it aired in Canada the night before the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in the United States.
      • That episode may also be harder to watch after the Boston Marathon bombings that occurred a few months later.
  • Moral Event Horizon: Any time a hostage taker deliberately executes a hostage, most notably Misha Kondrashoff in "The Fortress" and Goran Tomasic (while his wife wasn't a hostage at the time, he shot her in the back, in cold blood).
    • Also the plane hijackers in "Grounded" where they planted a few of their own among the passengers and when someone tried to be a hero, they shot him down.
  • Stoic Woobie: Sgt. Greg Parker.

YMMV tropes for the Film Flash Point:

  • Broken Base: Is this film overall better or worse than Sha Po Lang?
  • Cliché Storm: The plot of the film is the kind of plot you have seen in ten thousands films. The choreography, on the other hand...
  • Narm: Ma sweeping the blood on his nose while grimacing, spreading it even more across his mouth. The moment is a bit comical given the intensity of the scene.
  • Signature Scene: Donnie Yen's fantastic charging suplex is probably better known in the west than the movie itself.