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* IKnewIt: Fans had been theorising for weeks before this episode was broadcast that "Missy" was short for "Mistress", and that she had a connection to the Master.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The Doctor's response to Clara informing him of Danny's death is to say, "And?" As he's faking the whole thing, it's unclear if he's just trying to avoid giving the game away by SayingTooMuch or if it is a genuine showing of his LackOfEmpathy towards Danny.

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*** A variant of this being fans who wanted Creator/JohnSimm to return as the Master, who eventually did return [[Recap/DoctorWhoS36E11WorldEnoughAndTime two]] [[Recap/DoctorWhoS36E12TheDoctorFalls seasons]] later.
** And a third group who wanted Missy to be the Rani (she is the most common Classic series villain brought up when it comes to returning villains) or someone new.
*** According to the actors, when the reveal scene was shot in a public place, Gomez was in fact instructed to say she was the Rani in order to throw off any lip-readers in the crowd (the real line was added in post-production combined with a close-up where Gomez was instructed to "mouth" the dialogue without actually saying it. This obviously doesn't apply to close-ups where Gomez clearly said "the Master" on camera.)

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*** A variant of this being fans who wanted Creator/JohnSimm to return as the Master, who eventually did return [[Recap/DoctorWhoS36E11WorldEnoughAndTime two]] [[Recap/DoctorWhoS36E12TheDoctorFalls seasons]] later.
later in a "Multi-Master episode" alongside Missy.
** And a third group who wanted Missy to be the Rani (she is the most common Classic series villain brought up when it comes to returning villains) or someone new.
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new. According to the actors, when the reveal scene was shot in a public place, Gomez was in fact instructed to say she was the Rani in order to throw off any lip-readers in the crowd (the crowd; the real line was added in post-production combined with a close-up where Gomez was instructed to "mouth" the dialogue without actually saying it. This obviously doesn't apply to close-ups where Gomez clearly said "the Master" on camera.)



** Clara's attempt to blackmail the Doctor into saving Danny. For many, this was the final straw and many stated their dislike of Clara for being childish enough to be willing to destroy the TARDIS keys (at least, in her head) over Danny (As was proven in Series 1, '''this should never be done'''). Others, meanwhile, felt it greatly expanded on Twelve and Clara's relationship and loved it. The events surrounding the Series 9 finale (in particular, the Doctor executing a variation of what Clara attempted, only cranked up to twelve, has led to this being seen as one part of a bookend for the characters.

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** Clara's attempt to blackmail the Doctor into saving Danny. For many, this was the final straw and many stated their dislike of Clara for being childish enough to be willing to destroy the TARDIS keys (at least, in her head) over Danny (As was proven in Series 1, '''this should never be done''').Danny. Others, meanwhile, felt it greatly expanded on Twelve and Clara's relationship and loved it. The events surrounding the Series 9 finale (in particular, the Doctor executing a variation of what Clara attempted, only cranked up to twelve, has led to this being seen as one part of a bookend for the characters.



-->'''The Doctor:''' Who are you?\\
'''Missy:''' Oh, you know who I am. I'm Missy.\\
'''The Doctor:''' Who's Missy?\\
'''Missy:''' Please, try to keep up. Short for Mistress. Well, I couldn't very well keep calling myself the Master, now could I?
* HilariousInHindsight: Creator/PeterCapaldi played a part in a TearJerker music video by Creator/LewisCapaldi. His character is a man whose wife died and became a heart donor. The saved woman meets Peter's character, grabs his hand and presses it against her scar. What do Whovians think while watching the video? "Doctor Chaaaang!".
* HoYay:
** A bizarre variation involving a GenderBender with the Master, who has been male in numerous incarnations but now goes all-out in a female body. Said female body also tries to kiss Clara, who sadly refuses. Not entirely out of character for the Master, who has had a HoYay-esque relationship with the Doctor since his introduction.
** On Clara's post-it-note RoomFullOfCrazy (to remind her to tell Danny the whole truth), there are suspiciously focused shots on "Maisie" and "Jenny", both of whom she's flirted with in season eight episodes.

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-->'''The Doctor:''' Who "Who are you?\\
you?"\\
'''Missy:''' Oh, "Oh, you know who I am. I'm Missy.\\
"\\
'''The Doctor:''' Who's Missy?\\
"Who's Missy?"\\
'''Missy:''' Please, "Please, try to keep up. Short for Mistress. Well, I couldn't very well keep calling myself the Master, now could I?
I?"
* HilariousInHindsight: Creator/PeterCapaldi played a part in a TearJerker music video by Creator/LewisCapaldi. His character is a man whose wife died and became a heart donor. The saved woman meets Peter's character, grabs his hand and presses it against her scar. What do Whovians think while watching the video? Missy yelling, "Doctor Chaaaang!".
* HoYay:
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HoYay: A bizarre variation involving a GenderBender with the Master, who has been male in numerous incarnations incarnations, but now goes all-out in a female body. Said female body also tries to kiss Clara, who sadly refuses. Not entirely out of character for the Master, who has had a HoYay-esque relationship with the Doctor since his introduction.
** On Clara's post-it-note RoomFullOfCrazy (to remind her to tell Danny the whole truth), there are suspiciously focused shots on "Maisie" and "Jenny", both of whom she's flirted with in season eight episodes.
introduction.



* {{Narm}}: Clara throwing the last TARDIS key into the lava is soimewhat ruinbed by the cartoonist squash sound effect.

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* {{Narm}}: Clara throwing the last TARDIS key into the lava is soimewhat ruinbed somewhat ruined by the cartoonist squash sound effect.
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* AscendedFanon: This is the first time within the TV canon that a Time Lord has changed sex during regeneration, confirming a long-helf belief in the fandom.
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Trying to explain what makes the reveal "obvious".


* CaptainObviousReveal: Missy is the Master.

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* CaptainObviousReveal: Missy is the Master. In [[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E1DeepBreath her first appearance]], she refers to the Doctor as her "boyfriend", implying she already had a personal history with him. Of all the Doctor's individual enemies, including the recurring ones, the Master is the most personal one, as shown in the Tenth Doctor's run-ins with the "Saxon" Master. This was acknowledged in-universe:
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* {{Narm}}: Clara throwing the last TARDIS key into the lava is soimewhat ruinbed by the cartoonist squash sound effect.
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*** A variant of this being fans who wanted Creator/JohnSimm to return as the Master.
** And a third group who wanted Missy to be The Rani (she is the most common Classic series villain brought up when it comes to returning villains) or someone new.

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*** A variant of this being fans who wanted Creator/JohnSimm to return as the Master.
Master, who eventually did return [[Recap/DoctorWhoS36E11WorldEnoughAndTime two]] [[Recap/DoctorWhoS36E12TheDoctorFalls seasons]] later.
** And a third group who wanted Missy to be The the Rani (she is the most common Classic series villain brought up when it comes to returning villains) or someone new.



* HilariousInHindsight: Creator/PeterCapaldi played a part in a TearJerker music video by Creator/LewisCapaldi. His character is a man whose wife died and became a heart donor. The saved woman meets the Peter's character, grabs his hand and presses it against her scar. What do whovians think while watching the video? "Doctor Chaaaang!".

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* HilariousInHindsight: Creator/PeterCapaldi played a part in a TearJerker music video by Creator/LewisCapaldi. His character is a man whose wife died and became a heart donor. The saved woman meets the Peter's character, grabs his hand and presses it against her scar. What do whovians Whovians think while watching the video? "Doctor Chaaaang!".

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