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YMMV: Dino Attack RPG
Acceptable Targets: While the idea itself is frowned upon, Acceptable Targets inevitably appeared in Dino Attack RPG.
Is Rotor truly a practical man who simply runs on cold logic and gets a little too much pleasure out of itnote as would be implied by him being established as a competent leader and Ace Pilot or is he just a sick bastard who delights in inflicting pain on others note as would be implied by his rather vicious No-Holds-Barred Beatdown of a child, his only justification being that she was in the XERRD fortress and must therefore have information, and possibly his tendency to scare his enemies by playing music, or is he a competent leader who often abuses his authority note as would be suggested by his Kangaroo Court, along with threatening Garry into keeping quiet about Jenny's torture, or perhaps he is just an ordinary guy psychologically broken by the horrors of war note as might be suggested by his romance with Cabin, and his failed attempt to adjust to civilian life when the war ends.
Is Plastic Serpent really the low-life credit-stealing scumbag that Snake says he is, or is he just a typical small time crook that Snake greatly exaggerates just to justify repeatedly beating him up for petty reasons?
Angst? What Angst?: Likely to keep the story flowing with so many writers, characters don't dwell on angst.
For example, Rex was rather quickly accepting of his wheelchair-bound fate, only feeling a brief moment of sadness over the loss of mobility in his legs.
Attempted aversion with Hotwire, who did not instantly become accustomed to having a piece of metal attached to the stump of his leg.
Dr. Cyborg's reaction to Contest's death was rather downplayed.
How does A.J. Orange cope with her father, her only living relative, being committed indefinitely to a psychiatric hospital so soon after they finally reconciled? By getting married!
Arc Fatigue: One of the flaws of all three story arcs. In the Goo Caverns, there was a period where there was not much to do aside from just reinforcing walls. On LEGO Island, activity really slowed down after LEGO Island went to the Torn World, and very few members were active in the Antarctica campaign. On Adventurers' Island, through no fault of the RPG itself, the story arc was stalled for nearly a whole year by BZPower's forum update.
Archive Binge: This recruited several members into the RPG, such as Andrewnuva199 and Tacku.
Archive Panic: This likely turned off many would-be players who saw that the Dino Attack RPG is over 200 pages.
Author's Saving Throw: Switching Rex and Dr. Rex's bodies essentially nullified the whole plot twist about Rex being a Mutant T-Rex, and in doing so saved the character from being alienated from the rest of the cast and having potential g-modding abilities. Similarly, Frozeen coming Back from the Dead got rid of his G.E. Body and cured his sticking-out-like-a-sore-thumb status.
Awesome Ego: Despite (or perhaps, due to) his overly boastful attitude, Adventure is a fairly enjoyable character.
Awesome Music: Surprisingly for a text-based RPG, this actually does exist in the form of mixing various songs to create a soundtrack for Dino Attack RPG.
"In The Maelstrom Temple" is a thirty-minute-long mix representing Dino Attack Team's battle against XERRD and Stromlings in the Maelstrom Temple. The music video provides a series of scenes from the battle recreated in LEGO Digital Designer, which is a nice added bonus.
"Anyone Can Die" is a ten-minute-long mix representing the deaths of Amanda Claw, Michelle Glados, and Trouble during the Final Battle.
BIONICLEMeetsExo-Force RPG fits all the criteria for sure. It came out of nowhere, made no sense even within Dino Attack RPG's rather boundless limits of sense, and was never mentioned again (aside from the occasional Discontinuity Nod).
Any scene with Baldrick, who always comes out of nowhere, makes some stupid comments, talks about his "genius plans", and never has any relevance to the story at hand.
If you consider it canon, then the whole scene with the hotel owner certainly qualifies.
PeabodySam attempted to do this to Specs and Digger, especially during the Final Battle, by downplaying Digger's idealism while playing up Specs's scientific nature and Digger's thrill seeking.
Cliché Storm: Probably every cliche known to man has appeared somewhere in this RPG.
Complete Monster: For the most part, this has been averted, since nearly every villain has some redeemable trait... and then there's these guys.
The Brickspider Bot v1.0. Simply put, the Brickspider Bot is a cold-blooded killer, with quite a body count during the battle for LEGO Island. The Brickspider Bot also assisted Dr. Rex in leading the Dino Attack Team to the trap in Quadrant 14, which took even more lives. It was also noted that the Brickspider Bot is a grave robber who picks apart dead bodies to find ways to improve itself. It was created to be a mere mook, but Evil Ogel and General Evil realized that it was too intelligent and too evil, and so they knew it had to be destroyed. Even Cyber-Bully was disgusted by the Brickspider Bot's presence. The Brickspider Bot feels sadistic pleasure in torturing and terrorizing its victims before killing them in cold blood. The sole reason the Brickspider Bot wants to see the apocalypse happen is because it revels in the death and destruction it will cause, i.e. In Love with Your Carnage. Never portrayed sympathetically, and ultimately killed by the heroes.
Michelle Glados. She is willing to kill a world's population in a horrible apocalypse that she helped to bring about... you know, For Science! The fact that she suggests this so emotionlessly only makes it worse; although she rarely shows emotion, she feels no regrets over what she has done, and her emotionless exterior actually masks a sadism rivaling that of Loop and the Brickspider Bot. Otherwise, one might argue that her lack of caring only makes her an even greater monster. She knowingly took a group of Dino Attack agents, disguised as her own mooks, and sent them to the front lines of the battlefield where they were shot and killed by their own teammates. Then, she activated poisonous gases to treat the survivors with a slow, agonizing death. But the greatest Player Punch of all was when she killed Amanda Claw and Trouble, two beloved long-runners of the Dino Attack RPG, which numerous players attested to having radically altered their perception of the RPG as a result. Her presence usually elicits complete disgust from those around her. Even if she does have a Freudian Excuse in the form of a Friendless Background, that's no excuse for her behavior today, as called out by Frank Einstein. When Glados and her fellow scientists realized that they were being manipulated by the Darkitect all along, they were all given a chance of redemption. Most of the other scientists took that chance and, by the end of the final battle, were fighting alongside the heroes. Glados did not. In fact, she barely even acknowledged the possibility that she could have redeemed herself, instead choosing to continue pursuing her own goals up until her death.
Baron Typhonus, the Darkitect. He is considered to be on nearly-Eldritch levels of unspeakable horrors. He wants to destroy the entireplanet... and then, from there, the rest of the universe. Being the RPG's only Omnicidal Maniac, he is frequently a target of Even Evil Has Standards and Evil Versus Oblivion.He actively plays with the minds of numerous characters, toying with their emotions to increase their suffering or bend them to his will. He has even brought peoples' worst fears to life in some of the cruelest ways possible. One of the worst things he has done on-screen is his Divine Intervention, saving Dr. Rex from death, but in doing so, leaving him in a state of endless pain and agony while reducing him to little more than a puppet that he could control, forcing him to keep fighting a battle he no longer wanted to fight. That's right. The Darkitect turned Dr. Rex, who was a monster in his own right, into a woobie. The Darkitect has no regret or remorse for anything he does. When his minions, nothing more than tools to accomplish his goals to him, outlive their usefulness, he offs them without a single second thought. In fact, throughout everything he does, he remains arrogant and smug about it, enjoying seeing the pain he inflicts upon others. While he cannot be killed, his presence is indefinitely banished from Earth, which was the only way the RPG could have a remote chance at a happy ending.
Counterpart Comparison: Because they were both Anti-Hero primary characters, comparisons inevitably arose between Dust and Trigger. The fact that many saw Trigger as failing to live up to Dust's legacy was one reason that led to his status as a Replacement Scrappy.
The very existence and role of Plastic Serpent in Dino Attack RPG is the result of a Critical Research Failure by Atton Rand. After several RPG players mistook Snake for an Expy of Solid Snake when he was actually meant to be a Captain Ersatz of Snake Plissken, Atton Rand "did the research" and came to the conclusion that Solid Snake was a shameless rip-off of Snake Plissken. After that, he continuously referred to Solid Snake as a horrible knockoff, and just to drive the point home, he introduced Plastic Serpent, who was intended to be an Expy of Solid Snake (except they really do not have much in common) and proceeded to depict Snake beating up Plastic Serpent on three different occasions as a Take That to Metal Gear. When other players such as PeabodySam and Andrewnuva199 tried to suggest that Solid Snake could have been a homage or loving tribute rather than a shameless knockoff, Atton Rand would not even consider the possibility. How is this a Critical Research Failure? For all the "research" Atton Rand claimed to have performed to come to the conclusion that Solid Snake was a Snake Plissken rip-off, just Google the words solid snake plissken. The fourth result clearly states that Hideo Kojima asked John Carpenter for his blessing, and Carpenter approved. The comments on this thread also show that this was plainly obvious to most fans of the franchise. Atton Rand's harsh accusations towards Solid Snake were easily disproved by the fourth result of a simple Google search. That is how it is a Critical Research Failure.
After the death of Amanda, Atton Rand immediately seized the opportunity to make a Call Back to an earlier scene by bringing Amanda's body into the hospital wing where it would be seen by Pierce. In doing so, he completely neglected to notice that there was no way Amanda's body could have been retrieved at that point, since she was with Rex in the middle of the battlefield, surrounded by hungry Mutant Lizards, with Michelle Glados about to shoot Rex, and an explicit note from PeabodySam informing his fellow players not to interfere. Atton Rand was quickly called out on it by Andrewnuva199, and seemed surprised that no one had retrieved Amanda's body yet, suggesting that he did not even read PeabodySam's post when he wrote his own.note If you're wondering how this could have been possible, avmatoran and a few other players did comment OOC on what just happened, so Atton Rand could have possibly read those comments without reading the full IC post. Atton Rand later tried to cover up his mistake by claiming that he was initiating Anachronic Order, but his reaction to learning that Amanda's body was not yet retrieved suggests otherwise.
After failing to explain it Atton Rand himself later realized that he doesn't know for sure how he missed that detail. It's possible that he may have only read PeabodySam's post as far as the actual death of Amanda, skimmed the rest, saw other people's reactions and then felt compelled to find some way to respond to such a significant event (considering how long Amanda had been in the RPG her death was rather shocking to the other players).
In a Steam chat, Atton Rand was surprised to learn that Mutant T-Rexes had laser vision. During the Final Battle. After countless accounts of Mutant T-Rexes using laser vision in the RPG's lifespan. For someone who had been in Dino Attack RPG for about four years at the time, that certainly comes across as a Critical Research Failure.
Snake was supposed to be a likeable anti-hero just like his inspiration, but unlike his namesake he didn't have as much of a context to act the way he did (Snake Plissken at least had the excuse of living in a crime-filled post-apocalyptic future). As a result, he ended up coming off as a complete Jerkass. To add insult to injury, the guy who was supposed to be a low-life scumbag in comparison ended up being a Designated Villain, seeing as Snake's motivation for wanting to beat him up seemed incredibly weak.
Trigger is a similar case. He kept being presented as though he was the Only Sane Man, but every other second he was insulting other agents or accusing them of incompetence. The fact that other players' developments kept causing Trigger's "sane" opinions to be proven wrong didn't help.
Dust would apparently be an example of this done right, given that despite his fanbase he spent most of his time in the RPG double-crossing or otherwise getting in the way of everybody.
Firecracker, a character inspired by the Surreal Humour of John Mallory in Hitler Rants, was supposed to be an amusing comic relief. However, outside of the parody context of the Hitler Rants and in the more down-to-earth reality of Dino Attack RPG, it turns out that apparently there's nothing funny or heroic about a man whose defining characteristic is an overt obsession with blowing things up.
Duke. This was a guy's primary character (and in this RPG all players are supposed to be on the same side, meaning he was supposed to be a good guy). His role was (thankfully) fairly brief, but the majority of his actions consisted of insane hate crimes against anyone in the team with the slightest idealistic beliefs. It came as quite a relief to players when Duke was finally locked up in a maximum security prison and there was actually a movement to ensure he stayed there.
Designated Villain: People were supposed to be cheering over Plastic Serpent's repeated beatdowns, but this became something of a problem because they were never given any real establishing of the character as being unlikeable outside of potentially unreliable statements from a crooked scumbag.
Ending Fatigue: After the Final Battle, activity in the RPG dropped significantly. A few players wrapped up their stories shortly after the battle, but for the most part, the RPG went through three months of sci-fi debates and theoretical actor picks with an ending or two to a player's story in between, mostly caused by players' procrastination and intervention from the real world. It reached a point where PeabodySam had to set a deadline for endings to be submitted so the RPG could be wrapped up once and for all.
Trouble's popularity was what got him promoted from what should have been a one-shot character to one of Rex's best friends. During his long-term absence, there was quite a bit of demand for his return.
You'd think that the sidekick to a Replacement Scrappy would just become an even worse case of The Scrappy, but being a Foil to the rather unlikable Trigger actually made Montoya a rather popular character.
Esoteric Happy Ending: Sure, the world is saved from the Maelstrom and the Mutant Dinos and everyone can carry on with their lives. However, it is not a happy ending for everyone. So many have died in the war itself. Many of their loved ones, such as Talia Kaahs and Helen Rutherford, will be mourning in grief. Many veterans, including Kate Bishop and Sam Race, are shellshocked and will suffer from PTSD. Others, such as Pyro, will no longer be fit for society and must be committed to a psychiatric hospital for their own safety. The point is that it is inane to say that Dino Attack RPG has a happy ending where everyone lives happily ever after, but as YMMV on this, it ranges from writer to writer (for example, Atton Rand sees the ending as much more of a Downer Ending, while PeabodySam prefers to see it as a Bittersweet Ending).
Fair for Its Day: Rotor has been criticized as a counter-productive attempt to undo Atton Rand's earlier Demonization of realist agents. However, during the LEGO Island Arc shortly before, one of, if not the most prominent realist character was the over-the-top Cam O'Cozy, with other realists being depicted cast as a Straw Character at best. Also its worth mentioning that long before that was the even more infamous Kotua. note Technically, Greybeard was one of the first realists and depicted as a likeable character, but at the time of the LEGO Island arc, PeabodySam was not posting frequently, meaning his characters did not appear as often. Rotor's depiction as a competent leader whose choices, while morally questionable, did usually tend to have some sort of cold logic behind them and were in fact beneficial helped to change the tone from strictly Black and White Morality to Grey and Grey Morality. This step downward from being a Complete Monster committing acts of genocide for no good reason to a morally ambiguous Anti-Hero may have helped make way for more likeable realist characters, Cabin being a good example.
Faux Symbolism: Dust assumes a crucifixion pose after being shot. It does not mean anything; it just looks dramatic.
Atton Rand's early work in the RPG was about Zenna, Axle, and Elizabeth going on zany, over-the-top, almost cartoonish shenanigans (the current canonicity of which is debatable). These once silly events seem much more bitter now that Atton Rand constantly strives for realism.
Cam O'Cozy, especially because he simply refused to stay defeated for long. After seemingly falling to his death on a bomb, he returned as an antagonist and was defeated, returned in a post by imperial officer and was quickly defeated (mainly due to negative reactions from other players), and reappeared one last time for his Robotic Reveal.
There was also the Brickspider Bot, who had a habit of sneaking up on people.
Jackson Lake kept bringing Cane and Loop back out of nowhere.
PeabodySam selected Dust as that guy from that show's delegate in December 21, 2010, stating that Dust seemed to be the most likely character of that guy's cast to survive the Adventurers' Island story arc. Although he went out of his way to make sure that Rotor ended up in the Maelstrom Temple to retain a bit of continuity with a throwaway line in the alternate ending, PeabodySam was dead wrong about Dust's survival.
How many times have the writers of Dino Attack RPG declared that their early work is Old Shame and wish that they could go back and delete it? This became much Harsher in Hindsight once the original Dino Attack RPG was turned into one of the most extreme cases of Missing Episode. All that Old Shame is gone for good... happy now?
In the Final Battle, the original main villain finds himself rejected by his own family. He is horribly mutated into a monstrous reptilian creature that breathes purple fire, and his body is possessed by a malevolent black/purple-themed demon who has been manipulating him the whole time and now has hijacked the plot, becoming the true main antagonist. The possessed villain is forced to keep fighting a battle he no longer wants to fight, and the heroes engage him in final battle atop a great tower in a major city. Upon his defeat, a wave of "light" energy is released, cleansing the area of the demon's "dark" energy. Does this sound familiar? Well, guess what? This was written several months before the Ninjago series finale!
When it was time to unmask Pyro, there was some dispute over just what would be under the mask; and after it was pointed out that he had a "wife and kids" Atton Rand suggested that could still theoretically mean that "he" is actually a homosexual woman. He eventually ran with this idea but also showed Andrea Jackson being subject to hallucinations, possibly suggesting some form of schizophrenia. If this video is anything to go by, then two out of three may actually be right in regards to TF2 Pyro, and not necessarily the one you'd expect.
Gains bonus points for Hilarious in Hindsight when you consider that the real Dino Attack RPG Pyro is actually very homophobic.
Alan Pierce was originally developed as a possible love interest for Zenna. Those plans were later changed, and Pierce instead became the lover of Sarah Bishop and father of Kate Bishop. This makes the original story plans a little bit creepy when you realize that Zenna is only five years older than Kate.
Atton Rand portrayed Dietrich "Medic" Luzwheit in a very negative light in Dino Attack RPG. Once Atton Rand actually started playing Team Fortress 2, he found that, out of all the classes, he was best at playing... wait for it... the Medic.
General's death was inspired by The First Wave, a SFM animation based on Mann Versus Machine. Shortly before that, General stood beneath Dr. Rex's armored foot, barely holding up its crushing weight with his bare hands. This scene is quite similar to Stop that tank!, another SFM animation based on Mann Versus Machine, which was released several months later.
In "Dino Attack in a Nutshell", Dust and Dr. Cyborg were represented as Sniper and Engineer, respectively. Now that their respective players, that guy from that show and avmatoran, are playing Team Fortress 2, guess which class each one mains as?
At one point in Dino Attack RPG, taking advantage of the versatility of LEGO, the heroes rebuild a castle into an aircraft. Years later, this same concept would be used in one of the sets for The LEGO Movie, 70806 Castle Cavalry.
Inferred Holocaust: The initial Dino Attack itself. Mutant Dinosaurs appeared all over the world, often times without any warning, in highly-populated areas. Sure, Alpha Team managed to evacuate populations to Antarctica, but some refugee facilities in Antarctica cannot hold a planet's population. Fridge Horrifically, that means much of the world population either died in the initial invasion or never made it to Antarctica in time.
For that matter, it is possible that some people did make it to Antarctica, but for one reason or another weren't able to get into the refugee facilities, and ended up freezing to death.
Like You Would Really Do It: Usually, when a player does something that would contradict what they would be expected to do, other players doubt that it's really for real. Usually, they're right, but there are a few exceptions.
PeabodySam's strict policy against bringing back inactive players' characters caused other players to doubt that Kotua was real when Rex saw him in the Maelstrom Temple. They were right.
When Amanda was drowned by Perfect Chaos and an anonymous female Dino Attack agent started talking to Pterisa, everyone automatically and correctly assumed that drowned!Amanda was an illusion and the female Dino Attack agent was the real Amanda, because they doubted that PeabodySam would have actually let Perfect Chaos drown her. They were right. PeabodySam deliberately tapped into this because he did not want the illusion of drowned!Amanda to come across as a Disney Death.
When Kat was killed by Loop, some players predicted that she would return somehow. They were right.
Following the revelation that Rex's Days Are Numbered, avmatoran immediately proposed that PeabodySam would find a way to cure Rex's condition. Similarly, when Rex was paralyzed from the waist down, Stranger guessed that a Deus ex Machina would cure Rex's paralysis. They were wrong.
Specs is The Mole? Like PeabodySam Would Really Do It. Oh, would you look at that... he didn't.
The Brickspider Bot v1.0 is one of Jackson Lake's favorite villains. It inspired much of Loop's characterization.
Dust was particularly fun to write arguments with, particularly for Andrewnuva and his characters Rockford and Semick.
Atton Rand openly admitted that when he first introduced Trigger, he had a bit too much fun writing him, though this was mainly due to writing a character of this kind being a new experience. He also had fun writing the over-the-top Firecracker.
Super-spicy-tongue-melting-jail-cell-door-opening-hot pizza.Explanation An Overly Long Gag that, after being revived by Toa Antrakha during the Goo Caverns Story Arc, underwent Memetic Mutation and became widely used, even spreading to RPGs completely unassociated with Dino Attack RPG.
PeabodySam's Disease.Explanation A severe condition consisting of a combination of Ridiculous Procrastination and a very busy schedule, named after self-admitted procrastinator Peabody Sam.
The Kate Bishop Drinking Game.Explanation A Drinking Game invented by PeabodySam as a means of poking some light humor at the rather-depressing story of Kate Bishop. The rules are simple: take a shot every time Kate Bishop cries. According to avmatoran, trying this Drinking Game with apple juice and no alcohol can still make the player sick.
Conga line of power.Explanation A reference to Dino Attack: Legacy, in which Dino Attack Team's attacks on the XERRD laboratories are represented as a line of Dino Attack agents involved charging through a laboratory and leaving behind a mess.
When SUDDENLY DINOSAURS!Explanation A reference to Dino Attack in a Nutshell, wherein the phrase is used to describe Mutant Dino invasions of LEGO City.
Rex, after Andrewnuva199 rewrote the "Weird Al" Yankovic song "CNR" as "EAR" to over-hype Rex's awesomeness.
In one photograph, Dust was depicted as shirtless, and that guy from that show justified it by flatly stating that Dust doesn't need a shirt. Cue a series of Chuck Norris Facts starring Dust...
Memetic Molester: Andrew Jackson, who was unshaven, sweaty, and only in his underwear mere seconds prior, whispering into the ear of a completely-unresponsive Rex. Brikman McStudz was reportedly in stitches over this one.
Nobody could take Fogel's name seriously, much to PeabodySam's confusion.
When illusion!Naomi said "We should make out in front of him" to illusion!Fitz in front of Hertz, even though it was supposed to be a serious moment playing off of Hertz's worst fears, the sheer bluntness of the statement made it come across as potential Narm material, which was actually done intentionally to convey the juvenile nature of Hertz's fears and give an impression of the ridiculousness of his slightly unhealthy attachment to Naomi.
Brikman McStudz: [in response to a tumblr post complaining about the RPG] WE DID IT TEAM.
that guy from that show: I think ultimately this comes down to the idea that there is no such thing as bad publicity. In all honesty, I fully expected that Dino attack RPG would remain in a dark corner of TV tropes [...] If dino attack RPG were to become something akin to a minor internet meme I could not deny my happiness. [...] We all put our hearts into dino attack RPG and we had fun doing it. I think it would be a bigger tragedy if that work was forgotten. [...] Even if what's being said is less than flattering, Iím still happy that what we did is something worth talking about. [...] Whether it's good or bad, I feel that our passion deserves to be talked about. Who knows, maybe if some ambitious young man or woman actually chooses to come over and read our work they might discover something great. That curiosity is why there is no such thing as bad publicity.
One of PeabodySam's major concerns is that he does not want the Final Battle to end this way.
Padding: Much of the events that transpired after the XERRD Fortress battle and before the journey to the Maelstrom Temple, especially following the Stromling attack on the camp. It says a lot that, in-universe, Stromling!Zachary had to reset his "You Have Sixty Hours" ultimatum because Dino Attack Team was taking so long to get going.
Kat was a popular sidekick character among players, which made her death all the more shocking.
Anyone who was familiar with the Team Fortress 2 cast felt that the deaths of the Second Headquarters Squad made for a very painful read.
Adventure, Amanda Claw, and Trouble, three beloved NPC sidekicks to Rex, all kicked the bucket in quick succession during the final battle. Of the three, Amanda Claw especially came as the biggest Player Punch.
Putney Swope Panic: This sort of feeling could happen from reading a great deal of the early RPG if you can find it.
Relationship Sue: PeabodySam fears that Talia Kaahs and Shannon Grimton may be examples of Relationship Sues, since they were created to be the love interests of General and Frozeen, respectively, but never received as much development as Amanda did.
For most of the Adventurers' Island Story Arc, Rotor was The Scrappy due to being a very counter-productive attempt to reverse the Demonization of realist agents. Once he started cleaning up his act, starting with the battle for the Maelstrom Temple, and showed his skills as a great commander and pilot during the Final Battle, reception warmed up for him, to the point where most players wanted to see Rotor become Atton Rand's new primary character. Then again, this might also have to do with Rotor seeming not all that bad in comparison to Trigger and Snake, both of whom became Scrappies.
Even the readers who couldn't stand Pharisee'sBlack and White Insanity had to admit that his final appearance, in which he is in a psychiatric session with Dr. Saran and reveals much of his backstory and psyche, made for an incredible read.
This also ended up happening with Jackson and Dactyl. The reason for this is because the latter was introduced at the beginning of At War's End, when many players were keen to get the plot moving from where Dino Attack RPG had left off, and Atton Rand had to rush the development of their background.
that guy from that show admits he may have created one with Hertz and Naomi. Writing romance is not one of his strong suits and as a result most interactions between them ends up being a very large tumor that he tries desperately to fix.
Brikman McStudz fears he had created one with Zelda and Nazareno.
PeabodySam fully admitted that the relationship of Frozeen and Gromtin was a Romantic Plot Tumor, especially due to being introduced almost at the last minute and thus being rushed.
The Scrappy: For every well-loved and popular character, there was also and equally despised individual:
Duke... just Duke. Where to begin? Given the entire drive of his character was the complete and total destruction of anyone with even the slightest idealistic beliefs. Even the people that weren't at that point writing under the assumption that all realists were evil and idealists were good despised him. It got to the point where, despite being a player's primary character, nobody wanted to let him escape when he was finally locked up in a maximum security prison, where we can probably assume he is due for a life sentence if not the electric chair.
Cam O'Cozy: If it weren't for this guy, Duke might not have been quite so bad. After all, he was the one who ascended the idealist-realist feud to a whole new level of violence. He just wouldn't stay defeated, either, and when he escaped a maximum security prison - much like Duke - players' reaction was so negative that he was immediately defeated, and in his next appearance he was finally killed off following a Robotic Reveal.
French Fries is an interesting case, as he is this both among the players and in-universe. At first he was supposed to come off as a Reasonable Authority Figure, but once the Antarctica riots got out of control Atton Rand decided to run with the idea of French Fries being a clueless looney. However, he was also very much aware of this stance, and brought French Fries back near the end specifically to allow his fellow players to get back at him for all the trouble he put them through (though admittedly the results were far more brutal than originally anticipated).
After the attack on the XERRD Fortress, Rotor quickly became The Scrappy due to his mistreatment of Kate Bishop, trial and near-execution of a T-1 Typhoon squad, and his torture of Jenny Strangebrick and Tom for what may have been simply for sick enjoyment. He was only considered to be Rescued from the Scrappy Heap after he cleaned up his act starting with the Maelstrom Temple battle, and because he actually started to look not all that bad in comparison to two newly-introduced characters, Trigger and Snake - to the point where most players wanted Rotor to be Atton Rand's primary character instead of Trigger!
Baldrick, who is little more than a walking Big Lipped Alligator Moment and yet another Captain Ersatz to add to the list. In addition to having no important impact on the plot, only slowing it down long enough for him to talk about his so-called "ingenious plans", he sticks out like a sore thumb and often interrupts the mood of the current scene, making him seem like an out-of-place attempt at comic relief.
When his own primary character of Zenna ended up in a coma due to massive blood loss, Atton Rand decided to try Playing Against Type, going against his usual idealistic all around good-natured women in favor of a cold-blooded anti-hero, who would also follow as a Spiritual Successor to the very popular anti-hero Dust. Unfortunately the resulting character of Trigger acted like a Jerkass to his fellow cast members, which came as a unexpected shock to players who were familiar with the friendly Zenna, and unlike the more interesting and complex Dust, Trigger's motivations were far less complex and interesting, making him seem shallow in comparison; as a result, he became a Replacement Scrappy on two fronts. Reception started to warm up with a series of flashbacks detailing his rivalry with Amanda (and in the process introduced his partner Montoya, who was ironically had a significantly warmer reception) until he went and deserted the team, which again took chilled his reception. Eventually, the whole deal got so out of hand that Atton Rand eventually killed him off and humiliated him further with a humorous afterlife scene that also poked fun at an earlier Deus ex Machina... and that was not as well-received as he'd hoped.
Stromling!Palmer was originally created to fill in the void left open by the Zachary's redemption and Ahua's sudden death. Unfortunately, the idea wasn't too well received by other players.
Saved by the Fans: If it were not for her popularity and demand for her return, Zenna would have spent the rest of her days in a coma.
Scrappy Mechanic: Reinforcing the cavern walls of the Goo Caverns, a rather boring task that served as Padding during the second and third acts of the Goo Caverns Story Arc. The fact that most of the work was immediately undone by the Quadrant 14 volcanic eruption didn't help matters.
Shallow Parody: Plastic Serpent is a rather harsh Take That to Metal Gear without actually having much to do with Solid Snake himself. It doesn't help that Atton Rand admitted to have never actually played the Metal Gear games.
Scout suggests that Medic and Heavy were more than "brothers". Interestingly, while this is a running joke among some Team Fortress 2 players, Dino Attack RPG plays this for neither humor nor fanservice but actually for drama, since it makes Medic's death all the more heartbreaking for Heavy.
And then there's Snigger.
One of Jackson Lake's posts suggests this exists between Larson and Mort.
Jackson Lake more or less sent the Kattwire ship to Davy Jones's locker. Also Atton Rand originally hinted at a Pienna romance, an idea that was abandoned in favor of Piershop when Pierce was revealed to be Kate's biological father.
While Atton Rand did toy with some ideas for Snigger (being a closeted homosexual could be an interesting explanation for why Trigger is so cold, especially if he lived in a largely homophobic community), Snigger is not going to happen, what with Snake ditching Trigger and the latter's feelings on being double-crossed (and his death).
Although they managed to confess their love in the end, Nazareno's death destroyed the chance of Nazarelda coming to fruition.
that guy from that show is expressly opposed to Sharisee shipping, although Atton Rand alluded to it at the end of the RPG, when Shaw attempted to comfort Pharisee- seeing as her spirituality put her in a position where she could better understand him.
As stated above, Tex and Chompy have never met over the course of the RPG. Most of the pairings with Vinyaya that Zachary created would also apply.
Despite the fact that the closest thing to an interaction is them both just missing each other (Pharisee approached Pierce after Shaw left with a separate group), Sharisee does make some degree of sense, what with the two characters both being semi-religious individuals seeking comfort in faith. It could theoretically be the basis for a very personal connection.
A possible canon example: Larson and Mort met following the final battle. The next post they appeared in drops some subtext that they were romantically attached.
Snark Bait: Rex and Amanda's Romantic Plot Tumor proved to be quite snark-worthy. Additionally, many players found it impossible to take Future Evil Ogel's name, Fogel, seriously.
Take That, Scrappy!: YMMV, but seeing as Trigger did not exactly have warm reception among players, the fact that Trigger was killed off in an unceremonious fashion (and, in a non-canon ending, ended up being Amanda's roommate in the afterlife) might suggest a bit of this as the motivation behind his death.
The reintroduction of the Octosaur was meant to build up a certain amount of fear with the realization that they were still around and still a formidable adversary- but after its one reappearance it was never seen or mentioned again, even though such a creature could have been an interesting way to raise the stakes on Adventurers' Island (perhaps providing a broken bridge of sorts to keep people deserting so easily) or even in the final battle of LEGO City.
Probably didn't help that the Octosaur was largely overshadowed by various other, bigger developments over the course of the RPG, as well as new players who didn't know of or remember its reintroduction.
Given that much of the Conkers Bad Fur Day cast is based on famous fictional characters, some people have theorized that Ze Professor von Kriplespac is an Expy of Dr. Strangelove. Dino Attack RPG has the characters Dr. Strangebrick and Zed Provhezor working for XERRD... which means that XERRD somehow recruited someone inspired by Dr. Strangelove and someone inspired by a Dr. Strangelove Expy. This means that it could have potentially been hilarious to see Provhezor and Strangebrick interact, but sadly, they never shared any screentime together before Provhezor was killed.
The final conversation between Shaw and Pharisee could have been an extremely emotional and philosophical sequence between two characters of faith; one who used for comfort under desperate circumstances, and one whose faith has warped his mind and left him to question his entire life. Sadly, That Guy From That Show refused to write his sides of the conversation.
Unintentionally Sympathetic: When Atton Rand wrote the fight scene between Snake and Plastic Serpent, he'd intended it to be representing Snake Plissken getting revenge on Solid Snake for what he saw as the latter ripping him off.note What Atton Rand failed to realize was that Solid Snake was a tribute, not a rip-off, to Snake Plissken, and John Carpenter himself gave his blessing to Solid Snake. In order to get this message across, he tried to write Plastic Serpent to sound like a low-life criminal scumbag that made Snake look honorable by comparison, complete with references to him screwing Snake over and trying to steal credit for his actions. Players still found themselves relating to him though, the reason being that Atton Rand was already writing Snake as an unsympathetic jerk. Furthermore, instances of Plastic Serpent screwing Snake over have Noodle Incident status since we never actually saw any of that happen in-game. Instead, all we saw was Snake inflicting a seemingly unprovoked No-Holds-Barred Beatdown. Given all that, it's infinitely easier to sympathize with Plastic Serpent in this scenario.
Rotor was introduced by Atton Rand in an attempt to undo his earlier Demonization of realists with a sympathetic realist character. At first, Rotor wasn't so bad. Even when he made it clear that he was willing to exploit Kate Bishop as a means to getting to Wallace Bishop, who seemed to be the most dangerous enemy on the island at the time, it was an understandably realist outlook on being willing to do what must be done. And then, he's scolding his T-1 Typhoon crew for not being willing to do what must be done; okay, fair enough, Greybeard's done it before... wait a second, is he ordering his own men to be executed by firing squad by means of Kangaroo Court? And now he's torturing prisoners, with a heavy dose of subtext that he doesn't even believe that they have the info he seeks; he might just be doing it For the Evulz? We're supposed to like this guy? He's no better than any of the previous realists Atton Rand introduced!
Fortunately, Rotor finally regained some sympathy when he started to clean up his act. That, and the fact that the two following Unintentionally Unsympathetic characters were introduced and made him look sympathetic in comparison...
Atton Rand had, to a certain extent, intended Trigger to be a sort of Spiritual Successor to Dust, inspired by his popularity to attempt to write an anti-hero of his own. Unfortunately he had the opposite reception which Atton had intended. He did attempt to salvage some dignity by at least giving Trigger a memorable death scene, but whether that succeeded is debatable.
Snake is a similar deal, as like his namesake he was intended to be likeable despite being an uncaring anti-hero. This backfired horrendously, especially when he was meant to look honorable in comparison to Plastic Serpent.
In-universe, Enter and Return are looked down upon by the majority of doctors and medics in Dino Attack RPG and are largely considered lunatics who have no idea how to practice medicine (though, on the few occasions where Enter and Return are allowed to operate, they perform exceedingly well despite their bizarre methods). Since many of Dino Attack RPG's players are LEGO Island fans with fond memories of Those Two Guys, Enter and Return are much more popular among players than they are in-universe.
With the exception of Rex and those who were close to him, Trouble was an infamous symbol of, well, trouble, among Dino Attack agents, especially for the moral issues he raised when he fathered hatchlings (i.e. should tamed Mutant Dinos be allowed to breed while the war is still going on?) and the various conflicts between idealists and realists he started (including, most notoriously, the whole Kotua crisis). Out-of-universe, Trouble is an Ensemble Darkhorse and, during his long absence from the RPG, many players wished to see him return.
The Untwist: This happened multiple times, with a few notable examples including "Rex is a mutant", "Specs was not The Mole after all", and "Septimus's true identity is Swerve", which a number of people called long before the reveal.
Wangst: Okay, Kate Bishop, we get it! You don't belong on the battlefield! We get it! You don't need to cry every other post just to remind us of this fact!
It got so depressing to the point where, just to add a little lighthearted humor to the subject, PeabodySam suggested turning Kate's crying into a drinking game.
What an Idiot: In keeping with his inspiration, Baldrick is this to the extreme. Where to begin? His "escape kit" contains some of the most useless items imaginable (such as a small painted wooden duck in the event of being caught near a lake, so that the escapee can balance it on their head). He thought a serious message trying to alert agents of the imminent execution of the very people he just pathetically tried to help escape was in fact a hilarious joke, offered a just-released prisoner the "escape kit" right in front of a space police officer, then walked up to the man who tried to spread the warning to tell him how much he loved his "joke".
Blaire Darkling to an extent, though this is mostly the work of too many characters going after Blaire while Brikman McStudz had intended to only have his main cast fight him.
Kotua had Villain Sue written all over him during his time. It certainly did not help that most of his vehicles and minions were Nigh Invulnerable and/or armed with unbelievably high tech, and he had a tendency to just show up and attack fellow players whenever he pleased.
Duke... just Duke. It seemed that he existed for no reason other than to cause trouble for the idealists, from getting powerful explosives out of nowhere and rigging them up around a Dino Attack meeting without anyone noticing to escaping from a high-security prison with very little difficulty.
Admittedly, it probably didn't help that this was around the same time as the equally-infamous Cam O'Cozy. YMMV on which one is worse.
Stromling!Palmer, who was introduced mere moments before the Darkitect, threatened to upstage the latter by casting illusions and summoning an army of Nigh Invulnerable Stromlings as soon as he revealed his true form, both abilities far too powerful for a mere Stromling to have, especially when compared to his predecessors Zachary Virchaus and Achu. This led to the Darkitect actually telling Palmer off, revealing that the Darkitect was actually the one who was casting the illusions and was annoyed that Palmer was arrogant and presumptuous enough to think that it was his illusions instead.