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YMMV / Beast Machines

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  • Alternate Character Interpretation:
    • Tankor. The writers intended him to have chosen evil of his own free will after having been twisted by his time under Megatron's control. A popular fan theory is that he wasn't evil — his actions were caused by input from his awakened spark being filtered through a shell programme. Both interpretations fit what we see on the screen. (Given that, upon his death, he seemed genuinely repentant, the Shell Program makes a lot of sense.)
    • Was Megatron just pretending that Savage/Noble was a wild animal driven purely by instinct, or was he really like that and useful?
    • At what point did Silverbolt really become aware that he had been reprogrammed into Jetstorm - and start enjoying the experience of being an evil monster? When Blackarachnia originally awakened Silverbolt's mind in Jetstorm's body his personality appeared to be more or less the same, but when she brought him back completely in season 2 he had clearly changed from Nice Guy Knight in Shining Armor to a guilt ridden loner (in the form of a samurai condor) who was understandably upset over his tenure as Jetstorm. If he didn't realize what he was doing until after the initial reawakening, was it really the Jetstorm personality refusing to be changed back, or was it Silverbolt speaking through Jetstorm?
  • Ass Pull: Though well-received, the reveal that Thrust actually has Waspinator's spark rather than Silverbolt's borders on this.
    • How the Hate Plague was dealt with. Since the original solution - the Matrix of Leadership - was out of the question, Optimus had to craft an answer that even the Transformers Wiki admits was pulled "out of his monkey butt".
  • Audience-Alienating Premise: One reason why it was so ill-received when it first came out. The surviving heroes of the Beast Wars now forced underground on their own homeworld, their species subjected to a virtual genocide, and struggling to survive against an overwhelming evil force, all set against a backdrop of things like nature vs. technology.
  • Better on DVD: The series really does work better as a single narrative rather than as an episodic series.
  • Complete Monster: Megatron was already a huge bastard in Beast Wars. This show, however, takes it Up to Eleven. Here, he's responsible for the de-sparking of 99.99% of all the Transformers on Cybertron, meaning, effectively, he stole their souls. Then, he tore apart every last one of those vacant bodies and recycled them into his Vehicon drone army. When some of the last Maximals known to exist crashland on what is now his planet, he captures them, gloat over them, and seeks to de-spark them now too. And, finally, he decides to devour/absorb all the sparks he's stolen, becoming God in the process.
  • Contested Sequel: Between longer story arcs, and a darker tone compared to Beast Wars, fans of the original either think this was a good follow-up, or a joke to the franchise.
  • Continuity Lock-Out: A common complaint of the show was that the continuity was so strong that the show was impossible to follow unless one started from the beginning. Yet still, at a length of only twenty-six episodes, this is not as much of a drawback as it could be.
  • Critical Backlash: There were some Beast Wars fans who still enjoyed the show as well as newcomers. Most of the complaints were about the many changes to the characters' personalities and behavior.
  • Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy: It's pretty dark right from the get-go and doesn't let up, so it can be tricky to sit through until the ending.
    • Case in point: The Weak Component. You'd expect Blackarachnia, Cheetor and Nightscream to cut Rattrap some slack, since he's just getting used to his new body. Instead, they all pick up the Jerkass Ball and drive him to go to Megatron for some weapons upgrade. What a loyal and understanding group of friends.
  • Dork Age: Often considered one for the Beast Era of Transformers, due to a massive tone shift from Dramedy to angsty Villain World story. It used to be considered this for Transformers as a whole — then Transformers Energon came along.
  • Ensemble Darkhorse:
    • The Vehicon Generals are fondly remembered. Whenever Beast Machines is referenced in later continuities, it's the Vehicons who usually get the nods. Of the Generals, Thrust is held in high regard because of his personality, and Jetstorm remains the most popular because of his theatrics.
    • Diagnostic Drone was well-liked, enough to appear in other continuities after Beast Machines.
  • Franchise Original Sin: Inverted! A lot of aspects from this show that people complain about (stronger continuity, darker storytelling, In-Name-Only characters, etc.) would later be used to good effect by later Transformers series such as the Dreamwave and IDW comics, Transformers Animated, and Transformers Prime. One could consider this show an experimental first step before it's ideas, themes, and methods were perfected by later incarnations of Transformers.
  • Genius Bonus: The title of the episode "Prometheus Unbound" refers to the Greek legend of Prometheus. Anyone who knows about the myth will get why that is notable. Let's just say that it heavily foreshadows how the series ends.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight: According to a Fox Kids press release, the original name for the series was going to be Beast Hunters.
  • It Was His Sled: Thrust is actually Waspinator. Even people who haven't seen the series know it.
  • Jerkass Woobie: Nightscream has pretty solid reasons for being messed up... yet the fan consensus seems to be that his annoying qualities outweigh his sympathetic ones and he spends a lot more time angsting than he really should.
  • Magnificent Bastard: Megatron is still the master of this. Tankor tries to be this, but Megatron seriously out gambits him.
  • Narm: The bizarre designs for the Maximals' robot modes are a little hard to take seriously at times. In particular: Rattrap having a wheeled axle in place of legs, Blackarachnia's Klingon forehead, Nightscream's floppy hair and general plastic-surgery looks, and the way every character's eyes pointed in two different directions on a regular basis.
  • Nightmare Fuel:
    • Megatron apparently runs on this instead of Energon... He started by spreading a deadly virus across the planet, followed that up by building an army out of mecha-corpses, and decided to finish by stealing the souls of his entire species long before the maximals landed. He only got worse from there.
    • Blackarachnia's faceplate coming up, revealing the extra sets of eyes. Talk about putting your Game Face on.
  • Scapegoat Creator: Bob Skir received a great deal of criticism from the fandom - to the point where he had to cancel a convention appearance because he was receiving death threats. While he was indeed one of two story editors, he was blamed for everything a given fan had an issue with. Not exactly fair, especially as Skir didn't develop the series himself and was working from what Marv Wolfman started. Notably, Marty Isenberg (the other story editor) never received such vitriol and his being named story editor of a later show was not met with disdain. This all may have been an unfortunate result of Skir making himself available via his website to fans, who incorrectly took him as the ultimate authority of the show.
  • The Scrappy: Nightscream was this when the series was originally airing. The fans have mellowed towards him in recent years, but he's still a somewhat disliked character.
  • Shocking Swerve: Thrust being Waspinator instead of Silver Bolt, and Silver Bolt actually being Jetstorm when all of the earlier hints stated that Silver Bolt was Thrust.
  • Take That, Scrappy!: In "Survivor," Nightscream belittles the rest of the team for losing the Beast Wars. Rattrap responds by knocking him to the floor:
    "You watch your mouth, junior! I've lost friends in that war."
    • For some, Optimus became The Scrappy due to his endless and self-righteously indignant babbling about how "WE NEED TO RESTORE THE BALANCE!" and becoming so fanatical that he was like a Knight Templar. Thus when Cheetor called him out on his plan to obliterate all the mechanical life on Cybertron—which essentially would have made Optimus an eco-terrorist—many fans rejoiced upon hearing Cheetor's speech. Many felt that Optimus had degenerated into a nutjob who was fanatically following the orders of the vague and mysterious Oracle without question, and needed to be snapped out of it.
      • It helps that the entire point of the first season finale and second season opener seemed to have been about how Optimus was descending into fanaticism and needed to stop himself. He's even brought that delving into that made him Not So Different from Megatron to the point where, a bit in dream sequence, Megatron himself calls him out for it.
  • Tear Jerker: Savage/Noble's death.
    • Optimus learning what really happened to Rhinox - prompting the big ape to let out a Big "NO!".
    • Blackarachnia initially reawakening Silverbolt's mind inside Jetstorm's body and the two are briefly reunited before the Jetstorm personality reasserts itself. There's something undeniably heartwarming about the scene, from Silverbolt referring to her as the "dark poison" of his heart, followed by Blackarachnia affectionately observing "There's only one Transformer who could say something that corny with a straight face..."
  • Tough Act to Follow: Beast Wars was (and still is) seen as one of, if not THE greatest Transformers shows ever and the one that single-handily rescued the franchise from the Dork Age that was Generation 2. So of course Beast Machines was going to have a hard time measuring up.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks:
    • And how. The changes to several of the character's personalities were a very sore point for fans of Beast Wars, for one.
    • While the animation was an improvement, the redesigns for the Maximals weren't as liked. Whenever newer toylines/fiction reference the Beast Era, the designs from Beast Wars are usually given the homage.
  • Vindicated by History: Thanks to the Unicron Trilogy's overall bad reception, this series is often seen in a much better light. It's hardly universal, of course, but still quite a feat considering the backlash it once received.
    • Similar to the series, Nightscream (who was a major Scrappy when the series first aired) has gained some fans in recent years, due to future characters being much less likeable. However, he's still a somewhat disliked character.