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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After all the complaints about how Malcolm has been given a pass by all the characters for his evil deeds, this episode seems to have been written to pacify those complaints. All of Malcolm's past crimes are brought up by the various characters, and they make it clear that he'll never be forgiven for them.
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Capitalization was fixed from YMMV.Arrow S 4 E 13 Sinsofthe Father to YMMV.Arrow S 4 E 13 Sins Of The Father. Null edit to update page.
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this is weird
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* MoralEventHorizon: Malcolm spends the entire episode passing it, but Nyssa passes it at the beginning, when she not only holds Thea's cure hostage, but threatens the city unless Oliver kills Malcolm. It's ultimately subverted in her case, as she has a HeelRealization and decides to disband the League and destroy her father's ring.
* {{Narm}}: The burning of the Demon's Ring. While it does make a powerful statement that Nyssa is no longer a prisoner of her father's shadow, the fact that it melts easily makes it look like the ring is made of cheap materials. This is mostly TruthInTelevision as precious metals like gold and silver ''do'' melt easily with gold being one of the softest metals there is-its part of the reason they're turned into wearable jewlery in the first place.
* {{Narm}}: The burning of the Demon's Ring. While it does make a powerful statement that Nyssa is no longer a prisoner of her father's shadow, the fact that it melts easily makes it look like the ring is made of cheap materials. This is mostly TruthInTelevision as precious metals like gold and silver ''do'' melt easily with gold being one of the softest metals there is-its part of the reason they're turned into wearable jewlery in the first place.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Malcolm spends the entire episode passing it, but Nyssa passes it at the beginning, when she not only holds Thea's cure hostage, but threatens the city unless Oliver kills Malcolm. It's ultimately subverted in her case, as she has a HeelRealization and decides to disband the League and destroy her father's ring.
* {{Narm}}: The burning of the Demon's Ring. While it does make a powerful statement that Nyssa is no longer a prisoner of her father's shadow, the fact that it melts easily makes it look like the ring is made of cheap materials. This is mostly TruthInTelevision as precious metals like gold and silver ''do'' melt easily with gold being one of the softest metals there is-its part of the reason they're turned into wearable jewlery in the first place.ring.
* {{Narm}}: The burning of the Demon's Ring. While it does make a powerful statement that Nyssa is no longer a prisoner of her father's shadow, the fact that it melts easily makes it look like the ring is made of cheap materials. This is mostly TruthInTelevision as precious metals like gold and silver ''do'' melt easily with gold being one of the softest metals there is-its part of the reason they're turned into wearable jewlery in the first place.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Nyssa credits Laurel most of all for her decision to turn her back on her family's legacy and disband the League of Assassins, [[ThePowerOfFriendship which stems from the two of them bonding due to the death of Sara]]. Which means that the end of a centuries (at least) long secret society which has devoted itself to shaping world events owes its destruction, in part, to a shared meal of french fries and milkshakes.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Nyssa credits Laurel most of all for her decision to turn her back on her family's legacy and disband the League of Assassins, [[ThePowerOfFriendship which stems from the two of them bonding due to the death of Sara]]. Which means that the end of a centuries (at least) long secret society which has devoted itself to shaping world events owes its destruction, in part, to a [[TastesLikeFriendship shared meal of french fries and milkshakes.]]
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* HarsherInHindsight: Malcolm's betrayal of Team Arrow was foreshadowed back in "Legends of Yesterday" when he collected Vandal Savage's remains to resurrect him, even though the man just tried to kill Thea.
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* {{Narm}}: The burning of the Demon's Ring. While it does make a powerful statement that Nyssa is no longer a prisoner of her father's shadow, the fact that it melts easily makes it look like the ring is made of cheap materials.
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* {{Narm}}: The burning of the Demon's Ring. While it does make a powerful statement that Nyssa is no longer a prisoner of her father's shadow, the fact that it melts easily makes it look like the ring is made of cheap materials. This is mostly TruthInTelevision as precious metals like gold and silver ''do'' melt easily with gold being one of the softest metals there is-its part of the reason they're turned into wearable jewlery in the first place.
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Whats with this sword and not bows and arrow nonsense? Malcom is a master sowardsman
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* BadassDecay: Malcolm, who only lost to Oliver once thanks to a near-sacrifice move, and last season held off both Nyssa and Oliver at the same time, gets [[CurbStompBattle curbstomped]] by Oliver here. Arguably justified because they're fighting with swords, not bows and arrows, and Oliver has been improving his skills in the face of greater threats while Malcolm has not.
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* BadassDecay: Malcolm, who only lost to Oliver once thanks to a near-sacrifice move, and last season held off both Nyssa and Oliver at the same time, gets [[CurbStompBattle curbstomped]] by Oliver here. Arguably justified Justified because they're fighting with swords, not bows and arrows, and Oliver has been improving his skills in to the face of greater threats while point where he surpassed Ra's al Ghul, who Malcolm has not.was too afraid to face.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After all the complaints about how Malcolm has been given a pass by all the characters for his evil deeds, this episode seems to have been written to pacify those complaints since all of Malcolm's past crimes are brought up by the various characters, and they make it clear that he'll never be forgiven for them.
* BadassDecay: Malcolm, who only lost to Oliver once thanks to a near-sacrifice move, and last season held off both Nyssa and Oliver at the same time, gets [[CurbStompBattle curbstomped]] by Oliver here.
** Nyssa, to an lesser extent. She has to blackmail Oliver to fight Malcolm, because she is afraid that she can't defeat him, when in a previous season, she did so. Later on, she struggles in a brief skirmish with Malcolm.
* CharacterRerailment: After the bizarre attempt to turn Malcolm into a quasi-ally in the face of all the horrible stuff he's done, here he's turned back into a straight villain, complete with a betrayal that Oliver will clearly never be able to forgive even with everything else he let go for Thea's sake.
* BadassDecay: Malcolm, who only lost to Oliver once thanks to a near-sacrifice move, and last season held off both Nyssa and Oliver at the same time, gets [[CurbStompBattle curbstomped]] by Oliver here.
** Nyssa, to an lesser extent. She has to blackmail Oliver to fight Malcolm, because she is afraid that she can't defeat him, when in a previous season, she did so. Later on, she struggles in a brief skirmish with Malcolm.
* CharacterRerailment: After the bizarre attempt to turn Malcolm into a quasi-ally in the face of all the horrible stuff he's done, here he's turned back into a straight villain, complete with a betrayal that Oliver will clearly never be able to forgive even with everything else he let go for Thea's sake.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After all the complaints about how Malcolm has been given a pass by all the characters for his evil deeds, this episode seems to have been written to pacify those complaints since all complaints. All of Malcolm's past crimes are brought up by the various characters, and they make it clear that he'll never be forgiven for them.
* BadassDecay: Malcolm, who only lost to Oliver once thanks to a near-sacrifice move, and last season held off both Nyssa and Oliver at the same time, gets [[CurbStompBattle curbstomped]] by Oliverhere.
here. Arguably justified because they're fighting with swords, not bows and arrows, and Oliver has been improving his skills in the face of greater threats while Malcolm has not.
** Nyssa, toan a lesser extent. She has to blackmail Oliver to fight Malcolm, because she is afraid that she can't defeat him, when in a previous season, she did so. Later on, she struggles in a brief skirmish with Malcolm.
Malcolm. Again, arguably justified because she was in a cell and not training for several months.
* CharacterRerailment: After the bizarre attempt last season to turn Malcolm into a quasi-ally in the face of all the horrible stuff he's done, here he's turned back into a straight villain, complete with a betrayal that Oliver will clearly never be able to forgive even with everything else he let go for Thea's sake.
* BadassDecay: Malcolm, who only lost to Oliver once thanks to a near-sacrifice move, and last season held off both Nyssa and Oliver at the same time, gets [[CurbStompBattle curbstomped]] by Oliver
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* CharacterRerailment: After the bizarre attempt last season to turn Malcolm into a quasi-ally in the face of all the horrible stuff he's done, here he's turned back into a straight villain, complete with a betrayal that Oliver will clearly never be able to forgive even with everything else he let go for Thea's sake.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Malcolm spends the entire episode passing it, but Nyssa passes it at the beginning, when she not only holds Thea's cure hostage, but threatens the city unless Oliver kills Malcolm.
* {{Narm}}: The burning of the demon's ring. While it does make a powerful statement that Nyssa is no longer a prisoner of her father's shadow, the fact that it melted easily made it look like the ring is made of cheap materials.
* {{Narm}}: The burning of the demon's ring. While it does make a powerful statement that Nyssa is no longer a prisoner of her father's shadow, the fact that it melted easily made it look like the ring is made of cheap materials.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Malcolm spends the entire episode passing it, but Nyssa passes it at the beginning, when she not only holds Thea's cure hostage, but threatens the city unless Oliver kills Malcolm.
Malcolm. It's ultimately subverted in her case, as she has a HeelRealization and decides to disband the League and destroy her father's ring.
* {{Narm}}: The burning of thedemon's ring. Demon's Ring. While it does make a powerful statement that Nyssa is no longer a prisoner of her father's shadow, the fact that it melted melts easily made makes it look like the ring is made of cheap materials.
* {{Narm}}: The burning of the
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** Nyssa, to an lesser extent. She has to blackmail Oliver to fight Malcolm, because she is afraid that she can't defeat him, when in a previous season, she did so. Later on, she struggles in a brief skirmish with Malcolm.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Malcolm spends the entire episode passing it, but Nyssa passes it at the beginning, when she not only holds Thea's cure hostage, but threatens the city unless Oliver kills Malcolm.
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* {{Narm}}: The burning of the demon's ring. While it does make a powerful statement that Nyssa is no longer a prisoner of her father's shadow, the fact that it melted easily made it look like the ring is made of cheap materials.
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* CharacterRerailment: After the bizarre attempt to turn Malcolm into a quasi-ally in the face of all the horrible stuff he's done, here he's turned back into a straight villain, complete with a betrayal that Oliver will clearly never be able to forgive even with everything else he let go for Thea's sake.
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* BadassDecay: Malcolm, who only lost to Oliver once thanks to a near-sacrifice move, and last season held off both Nyssa and Oliver at the same time, gets [[CurbStompBattle curbstomped]] by Oliver here.
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* BadassDecay: Malcolm, who only lost to Oliver once thanks to a near-sacrifice move, and last season held off both Nyssa and Oliver at the same time, gets [[CurbStompBattle curbstomped]] by Oliver here.here.
* HilariousInHindsight: Nyssa credits Laurel most of all for her decision to turn her back on her family's legacy and disband the League of Assassins, [[ThePowerOfFriendship which stems from the two of them bonding due to the death of Sara]]. Which means that the end of a centuries (at least) long secret society which has devoted itself to shaping world events owes its destruction, in part, to a shared meal of french fries and milkshakes.
* HilariousInHindsight: Nyssa credits Laurel most of all for her decision to turn her back on her family's legacy and disband the League of Assassins, [[ThePowerOfFriendship which stems from the two of them bonding due to the death of Sara]]. Which means that the end of a centuries (at least) long secret society which has devoted itself to shaping world events owes its destruction, in part, to a shared meal of french fries and milkshakes.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After all the complaints about how Malcolm has been given a pass by all the characters for his evil deeds, this episode seems to have been written to pacify those complaints since all of Malcolm's past crimes are brought up by the various characters, and they make it clear that he'll never be forgiven for them.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After all the complaints about how Malcolm has been given a pass by all the characters for his evil deeds, this episode seems to have been written to pacify those complaints since all of Malcolm's past crimes are brought up by the various characters, and they make it clear that he'll never be forgiven for them.them.
* BadassDecay: Malcolm, who only lost to Oliver once thanks to a near-sacrifice move, and last season held off both Nyssa and Oliver at the same time, gets [[CurbStompBattle curbstomped]] by Oliver here.
* BadassDecay: Malcolm, who only lost to Oliver once thanks to a near-sacrifice move, and last season held off both Nyssa and Oliver at the same time, gets [[CurbStompBattle curbstomped]] by Oliver here.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After all the complaints about how Malcolm has been given a pass by all the characters for his evil deeds, this episode seems to have been written to pacify those complaints since all of Malcolm's past crimes are brought up by the various characters, and that they will never forgive him for them.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After all the complaints about how Malcolm has been given a pass by all the characters for his evil deeds, this episode seems to have been written to pacify those complaints since all of Malcolm's past crimes are brought up by the various characters, and they make it clear that they will he'll never forgive him be forgiven for them.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After all the complaints about how Malcolm has been given a pass by all the characters for his evil deeds, this episode seems to have been written to pacify those complaints since all of Malcolm's past crimes are brought up by the various characters, and that they will never forgive him for them.
