Wallbangers: Death Battle

While Ben and Chad do what they can to figure out who would most effectively win the resulting fight, the fans of the inevitable loser might be sour about the outcome, which is to be expected in a series like this. However, there are times where they make some pretty glaring oversights. Please makes posts about given episodes in chronological order for the sake of coherency.

  • In the Vegeta vs. Shadow Death Battle they say Vegeta has the endurance to survive a nuclear explosion when in the canon he had been shown to surpass Frieza, a being who could tank planetary explosions half-dead with no ki left, when he turned into a Super Saiyan meaning his level of durability has to be much, much higher, which is a minor detail overall, but considering how well-researched they claim to be...
  • Even though the Mario vs. Sonic Death Battle was a fair fight with a nice bit of research for powers, there is one critical detail forgotten: Mario has powers outside of power-ups. They clearly know what they are doing, but the fact that Mario can punt a fortress away, dodge cannonballs, and launch massive fire from his hands without the Fire Flower should be worth something.
    • The fact that they mention Mario losing mainly because he cannot match or check Sonic's speed, after neglecting to bring up F.L.U.D.D. at any point during the battle. Not only could the rocket and turbo functions give Mario a better fighting chance since turbo allows Mario to run fast enough to cross bodies of water, but the amount of water that would end up all over the ground could potentially hinder Sonic's speed or send him sliding around uncontrollably.
    • Mario isn't even that slow, all things considered. He's fast enough to cross-bound dozens of feet in a second or two as well as running on top of a body of water and straight up a ninety-degree surface. And since we're mentioning Super Speed, where was Mario's Super Strength? Sonic can smash through most anything, yes, but this is only when he's gathered momentum. Mario can perform feats of even greater physical bulk from practically a standstill. Such as plucking up creatures several times his size from under him in seconds, or pummeling through a monster made of stone damn near twenty feet tall, and punch creatures his size so hard they go reeling for distances minimum a yard or two.
    • Intelligence and skill were also not included. Sonic is rash, and tends to act on the spur of the moment, and has been said to outright refuse the methods of others as he rebelliously clings to his own. While Sonic does know some actual combat, his most utilized strategy is going to full speed in order to sail through hordes of enemies since without his speed his strength is very unremarkable. While Mario has had his hotblooded moments, he's a far more composed fighter on the whole. He's been shown developing new strategies in the middle of battle, and the art of turning a foe's strength against them is literally one of the oldest tricks in his book. Not only that, he's actually taken on seasoned martial artists in his world and come out on top. The show of ability doesn't lie; Mario would easily think to just grab Sonic's arm as he raced past and fling him into the nearest wall full-swing. Bam, instant concussion. This really isn't hard.
    • Mario getting tired during the fight after using the Mega Mushroom. Take it from a guy who has played New Super Mario Bros.; you do not get stunned after using a Mega Mushroom. This seemed solely to be there for Sonic to get a killshot.
      • Herein is also the biggest problem with the fight. The whole "Super Sonic recovers wounds" thing isn't just something that only exists in the Archie Comic, it is the exact opposite of what actually happens. Want to know what told us that? An actual freaking Sonic the Hedgehog game. Sonic becomes exhausted to the point of passing out. The worst part? The way the Mega Mushroom works in reality also restores Mario to his normal form if he'd been reduced to his Small state. In other words, the effects of their ultimate items were reversed. Mario received a detrimental effect while Sonic gained a recovery.
  • Clearly the hosts know nothing about Michelangelo from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Saying Michelangelo would be the first to fall is inaccurate for so many reasons. First, Mikey is often said to have the most potential of the four. Second, his overcomplicated weapons (which, as they failed to notice, he never has trouble using) just prove how Brilliant but Lazy he is. Third, Mikey was Battle Nexus Champion. And one of his opponents was Raph, no less.
    • The admission in the video was that they threw the fight so Mikey couldn't win. Hence the "he'd better not!" remark.
  • Master Chief vs. Doomguy ignores one of Doomguy's most iconic abilities, the Berserk-enhanced punch. The Berserk power-up increases punching power by a factor of 10; even one of Doomguy's normal punches is as powerful as a pistol shot. While Master Chief's close-combat abilities can be said to be superior (and thus not have it affect the fight's result), it still seems weird that they would leave that out of the fight. In addition, both Master Chief and Doomguy are notable users of melee weapons (the energy sword and the chainsaw respectively), yet the entire fight was more or less a gun battle.
  • Eggman vs. Wily. Metal Sonic should not have been counted as the winner! They should've just counted the fight as a draw since both of the characters' tools (Eggman's being Metal Sonic, and Wily's being the Robenenza Virus) ended up causing their demises.
    • That's not even counting the fact that Wily brought Roboenza with him, when the same didn't happen to Doc Robot and Evil Energy.
    • Oh, by the way? Roboenza does not work that way. It does not remotely work that way. They say multiple times in-game, no less, that it does not work that way. You want to know what Roboenza does? It weakens afflicted robots for an extensive period of time before going berserk. But why does it do this? Because Wily deliberately designed it as such. He wanted afflicted robots to have time to recognize their peril, so they would obey his commands to work for him in exchange for a cure. And this is not an assumption, he outright admits as much when he drops the act.
    • Also, Metal Madness does not work that way, either. Metal Sonic literally becomes the head of the thing. That's all. He needed an entire flying fortress to pick apart and recreate into a giant doombot body. And while we're on the subject, he couldn't even do that. Reason being before he became Metal Madness, he needed to copy data from Chaos, Shadow, and Team Sonic. That was the entire plot of Sonic Heroes. in order to do what he did, he would have to recreate everything that transpired in Sonic Heroes. Way to be, guys. Way to be.
  • Cloud vs. Link. First there is the major difference in equipment selection. Link is optimized with some of his best gear from multiple games. Cloud? He's given good armor, and the almighty Ribbon Accessory (Status Immunity), but he's given just his Buster Sword. That's it, no Ultima Weapon, no First Tsurugi (AKA, the Fusion Swords, which give dual wielding and multiple combat tool), just his starter sword, which is an amazing far cry from almost every other combatant in the series who gets access to every significant piece of equipment and ultimate ability within reason.
    • Additionally they glossed over Cloud's Materia option, giving him use his Default Lightning and Fire Materias (Though at Mastered levels), due to only his Buster Sword having any Materia slots (and just two at that) for the fight. While ignoring a very wide selection of materia options he has (Restore, Poison, Mystify, Seal, Transform, and Destruct come to mind). No summons, no ability materia, No Stat Enhancement Materia, no heals, no other attack spell.
    • Z-targeting, a gameplay targeting mechanic for the 3-D Nintendo 64 and onward console Zelda games, apparently translates to "instant reaction speeds" for Link. Yet, in Dissidia: Final Fantasy Cloud has access to something similar in the form of the L-Button targeting.
    • Additionally, it is notable that they glossed over Finishing Touch when discussing Limit Breaks, which is notable for petrifying or paralyzing alongside instantly killing or damaging enemies. The fact that the attack is executed in such a way as to not be feasibly blocked by a shield. Glossing over this alongside stripping Cloud of any other choice of magic materia alone (Restore, Poison, Mystify, Seal, Transform, and Destruct come to mind) and strangely limiting him to Dissidia interpretations of his abilities while ignoring the aforementioned L-Button targeting suggests that either research was glossed over or information presented and used was deliberately manipulated to give Link the win.
  • They ignored Pikachu's Pokédex entry. And choosing size over power is absurd, and comparing Pikachu to an electric eel? Seriously? To size that up, that's like comparing a wrestling heavyweight to a rat because they're both mammals. Even within the anime, Pikachu has been seen taking command of various Pokémon to stage uprisings against the oppressor of the day (usually Team Rocket), so he isn't completely ineffectual without Ash.
  • In Goku versus Superman the creators refuse to employ power scaling and since they include GT, they barely brush the surface of all that they could have done to help Goku win the fight (since later on in a separate video they claimed that they were trying to give Goku a better chance yet they show no clear sign of actually adhering to this); for example, the remark in the show that Kid Goku in his normal state could "light up a galaxy." Using deductive analysis and power scaling, in-universe General Rilldo was confirmed to be as strong as Kid Buu was, and Goku matched him pretty well in base form until he started powering up (first with parts from his dead minions and then all the metal from the planet), and then he went Super Saiyan to counter that. With power scaling, this proves that during the Buu Saga, Super Saiyan 3 Goku was capable of galactic level change, and the many levels of Super Saiyan multiply his already galactic level power even higher. Or to list another example of power scaling, they fail to comprehend something many Goku fans on the side of this debate now do; that since Frieza was fully capable of withstanding the force of an exploding planet half-dead with little to no ki left, and since the cells of the Cell Juniors were based off Cell, who carried the cells of Frieza, Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, who destroyed eight Cell Juniors effortlessly with one punch each, can therefore blow up planets with a single punch, and the non-canon movies further bear this out (where Gohan killed Frieza with one punch, just like the Cell Juniors) if they had bothered to include them (and they include GT, so canon is not an issue for them). And Super Saiyan 4 Goku was much stronger than Super Saiyan 2 Gohan. Yet none of this is even given a moment's thought. Oh, and Goku started the fight, purely because they don't want Superman to be the aggressor yet it still ends with Superman blowing up the Earth.
    • What was up with their adamant refusal not to nerf Superman? I get that even with Super Saiyan 4, Pre-Crisis Superman would've been overkill, but even the information for Post-Crisis Superman they gave was rife with withheld information. For his speed, they only used one feat where he flew to the sun and back in about a minute or so, but he has flown from Vega to Earth in a matter of minutes before, a feat that would require him to move several million times the speed of light. For his sun dip, the "Our Worlds at War" comic did not indicate a time span of 15 minutes, it looked more like 3 minutes, but the biggest problem was the measly planet he moved was fired against him with jets being powered by Imperiex (the living embodiment of the DC Big Bang). I get that they were trying to soften the blow for Goku fans, but sheesh.
      • The biggest fumble with their whole approach to Superman in this Death Battle was how they adamantly insist the Man of Steel has no limits, but outside the Silver Age Superman, who was retconned away, and Superman Prime One Million, who exists in the future, Superman, contrary to popular fan opinion, does indeed have limits and has proven them time and time again. If they wanted to go with a version of Superman that had no limits, they should have stuck with Silver Age Superman or Superman Prime One Million, but instead, they grab Post-Crisis Superman and treat him in a way he was never meant to be written, which is not only an insult to the DBZ fans watching, but the DC fans who genuinely love Superman, not the myth that has popped up surrounding him and his abilities, which is the type of Superman Death Battle went with.
      • They stated that the Man of Steel has no limits to his power because his solar energy can rise infinitely as long as he is under either a yellow or blue sun. Also, they showed what Post-Crisis Superman can do, and talked about some of his feats, but not all of them, as most of his feats were not factored into the Death Battle, simply to give Goku a winning chance.
      • But the point they still refuse to grasp is that Superman has limits which he's proven that he and other characters have confirmed in the comics outside of Silver Age Superman and Superman Prime One Million.
    • Their biggest Wall Banger to date has to be their fanboy assertions that Goku has never moved beyond destroying a single planet when the anime, the manga, Toei guidebooks, and even people who helped make the Dragon Ball franchise have backed up Cell's boast that he could have destroyed the solar system, which moves them far from being mere planet busters as they seemed to think Goku is and not only proves they aren't half as well-researched as they claim to be, but also that they refuse to debate with DBZ fans on our own terms like they did for Superman. Oh, and then they turn around and insist Goku Can't Catch Up to Superman no matter how strong he gets in any Super Mode he has, yet they significantly strip him of most of his strength by refusing to admit Cell could destroy solar systems, which makes Super Saiyan 2 a stellar buster instead of a planet buster, just so they could give Superman the win. Further discussed here.
  • Ryu vs. Scorpion seems like a sound match at first unless you're an actual Street Fighter aficionado, at which point the lack of elaboration cannot be ignored. Wiz and Boomstick incorporated no mention of feats of physical strength or endurance beyond Scorpion's ability to be reduced to a skeleton. As a result, many, many watchers had no idea that Ryu's present canon strength training is lifting a boulder carrying a man who himself is carrying another boulder. Or that his Evil Ryu state boosts him past Akuma, who can both destroy an island under his fist and shatter an asteroid in one punch. Not only that, seeing as how they love to do conglomerates of character portrayals, Ryu survived being punched from the Earth into the moon. The point here is that while Ryu and Scorpion were shown to be similar in terms of skill, Ryu greatly outclasses him in terms of these factors. How conveniently left out.
  • The Kirby vs. Majin Buu Death Battle has the most wall-banger moments to date. The episode itself is full of bogus claims and half-truths. Like Kirby's Hypernova being able to devour worlds. Which isn't even remotely true, by the way. Or how Majin Buu is so fragile that even bullets can affect him (which is sort of true, but not entirely). Even though we clearly see him survive getting thrown through mountains, plateaus, and buildings. As well as running clean through cars. Not to mention surviving a full-powered ki blast from both Dabura and SSJ3 Goku all without even the need to regenerate. Feats that should be impossible if he was as fragile as they claimed he was. Not to mention according to their own claims in the Goku vs. Superman Death Battle since Buu is capable of producing enough force to destroy cities and planets without suffering recoil, then he must be able to withstand it (this is what they used to determine Goku's max damage output). And all of these are just the tip of the iceberg.
    • They pretty much fail to mention virtually any of Majin Buu's abilities, and those that were mentioned weren't used properly in the Death Battle (yeah, Majin Buu can't fire the chocolate beam out of his hand).... and yet they turn around and give Kirby an ability he has only used once in the entire franchise and in a dream no less! (The whole swallowing the Warp Star to get the Star Rod happens in a dream and it's unknown whether he even possesses this ability at all in real life.)
    • It gets even crazier near the end of the video where they say that Kirby can survive planet-sized "explosions" without a single scratch while Majin Buu would have gotten blown to pieces; this is at best a half-truth. Anyway, here is why this is completely nuts; the "explosion" that fails to scratch Kirby also failed to scratch King Dedede and his Waddle who were all in the blast range. In fact, in spite of the Dream Stoke being not only warped around the planet but rooted into it, the explosion causes virtually no collateral damage. The Dream Stoke "exploding" should've caused some serious damage, all things considered, but it didn't. In fact, it didn't seem to leave a dent in the grass. Even crazier is the claim that this "explosion" was somehow equal to the explosion that blew up Majin Buu into bits even though, you know, that explosion vaporized the Earth. So, I guess they assume since the two blasts are sort of the same size they must have equal power even though there is literally nothing that would suggest this.
      • It's even worse than that since we see Buu being destroyed by a planetary explosion, sure, but he regenerates almost instantly without any apparent drain to his power level whatsoever and in fact it's highly possible he runs on infinite energy (remember Gohan's comment that he could feel a deep well of power coming from him that seemed to go on forever?), meaning that there could literally be nothing that would ever tire him out, and this is further backed up as he uses his newly learned Instant Transmission technique to travel to hundreds of planets within the space of minutes and blow them up over and over without appearing even the slightest bit weakened, and, going by the manga, it's outright confirmed if left to his own devices, the natural outcome will be the complete destruction of entire galaxies.
    • All of that's not even the worst part of this Death Battle; it gets even stupider when you consider how the Death Battle actually plays out. During the battle, Kirby was not only able to keep up with Majin Buu (without his Warp Star, mind you), but was able to effortlessly evade and counter Majin Buu's attacks even though according to their own calculation of Goku's speed as a Super Saiyan 3 and the fact that Majin Buu was able to keep up that speed should mean Majin Buu's speed should be somewhere between 5,000 and 200,000 times the speed of sound!
    • Or how Kirby was able to inhale Buu even though Buu should have been both strong enough and fast enough to evade it.
    • Also the ending makes even less sense the more you think about it. There are sooooo many reasons for why that shouldn't have worked at all it's hilarious: 1) The planet burst should not be able to maintain its shape and consistency considering it was forcefully sucked through and expelled from an opening way smaller than it 2) Buu should have been capable of deflecting it like he did when his Kamehameha was reflected back at him 3) Buu should have also been able to stop it and catch it like he did with the Spirit Bomb 4) It should be in his power to detonate it manually like Frieza did when Mirai Trunks caught his planet burst or like what Kid Buu tried to do with the Spirit Bomb 5) Ki blasts in DBZ should normally detonate on impact anyway unless it was caught, deflected, or held together by another source of ki, or if it was specifically designed to cut through or restrain someone, so there is no way it should have been able to carry Buu all the way into the sun 6) Majin Buu should have easily regenerated from the piece of him left on the floor since according to DBZ, Majin Buu needs to be completely atomized in order to die and even a single piece can reform into a new Buu, and 7) Majin Buu has been shown surviving the planet burst multiple times minutes from each other with no effort so simply reflecting it back shouldn't have killed him. And all these reasons are on top of the one mentioned in the Death Battle: "Buu should have been able to dodge it!" With or without Instantaneous Movement.
    • But wait, there's more! During the show they conveniently forgot to mention some very important details considering Kirby feats on top of the whole using dream feats. Like how Kirby split a planet in one punch, they failed to mention that the punch measured 201 megatons considering how much this show usually stresses the importance of measurements.
  • Ragna the Bloodedge vs. Sol Badguy is probably one of the lamest fights yet, even if you exclude the animation.
    • Many times throughout Ragna's backstory and attribute explanation, the words "We don't know!" come up, as if they failed to adequately do the research on Ragna and the BlazBlue setting even during the setup for the Taokaka vs. Felicia match. Coupled with Sol Badguy burning the BlazBlue script at the end, one has to wonder if their confusion gave way to spite.
    • Nu-13 has no role in the matchup whatsoever. This may be an Obvious Rule Patch since outside interference typically isn't allowed in a Death Battle, but considering Ragna's lifelink means he can't die unless it happens in tandem with her, and that his full Black Beast transformation can't happen without her (in his CS bad ending, Ragna's Azure Grimoire goes berserk, but he remains humanoid throughout; in the Chronophantasma ending, Nu attacked Ragna just before he transformed in front of Noel and Jin), it leaves a glaring hole in the argument in question.
    • Sol's resistance to the Backyard is not innate to his own body and soul; it was a gift from That Man partway through Guilty Gear 2: Overture. Furthermore, it's still a dangling question in the canon whether or not it was permanent like Death Battle was treating it.
  • Toph vs. Gaara. Gaara having gold dust and Toph being able to bend it, which is top-to-bottom wrong for a lot reasons and goes against what's explicitly stated in both works. There's no indication that Gaara has gold dust as a permanent part of his arsenal. While it was critical to one of his victories, outside that specific situation it does nothing for him and it definitely does not, as Death Battle mentioned, give him more control over his sand's weight. In fact, it's explicitly stated that mixing gold dust in sand makes sand manipulation harder. So there is no good reason for Gaara to have that in his sand. Even if he did, Toph wouldn't bend it for the reason Death Battle gives which was, "Gold contains traces of iron and copper and can be metal-bent." None of those can be metal-bent. Metalbending works by bending the impurities inside the metal, not the metal itself.
    • Remember, she bends the impurities in metal. And gold is naturally made with those traces inside it. Logically, some earth is also inside it. As for the gold being a factor, it was more for completion sake than a determining factor.
      • They're talking about specks of dust of which the earth material in them would be near nonexistent. The main problem is how Death Battle's research not only came to the conclusion that he had it as a permanent part of his arsenal despite it being explicitly stated that mixing gold dust in sand makes sand heavier and harder to manipulate but also that having gold dust gives him more control over his sand's weight, an ability stated absolutely nowhere in the series.
    • And then there's Toph being able to control Gaara's sand at all, considering the fact it's infused with his chakra, or life essence. There's a reason why Bloodbending is generally done under the full moon (or in the case of Yakkon and his sons), after years of training specifically to do this. Not to mention the fact that Gaara can simply overpower her with his sheer volume of sand considering that the only beings in the Avatar universe who could hope to get close to Gaara's level in amount is the Avatar in their Avatar State, which is the Avatar tapping directly into an ancient being of unfathomable power and the expertise of hundreds of master Benders.
    • It's pretty ridiculous how little of an advantage Gaara's ability to fly gave him just because Toph can sense earth not connected to the ground which 1) was stated vaguely in a trivia blurb from the Avatar Extras and Death Battle should have used evidence from the actual show to form an idea about range of this sense 2) Gaara's been shown to be capable of flying hundreds of feet in the air, and can cover huge distances in minutes. Even if she did know where he is in the air, the extent of Gaara's flying capabilities would have made it almost impossible for her to get near him or attack him. Combine that with his ability to control sand even from miles away to attack or spy on people, he could easy create a situation where she would be completely on the defense.
    • The fact that Death Battle refuses to even acknowledge that Avatar: The Last Airbender and Naruto exist on a completely different power tier so that it doesn't come across as an analysis in character abilities so much as a badly-done trolling of the anime community. Summed up the best in this video.
  • Why did they make Chuck Norris vs. Segata Sanshiro in first place? Thought Justin Bieber vs. Rebecca Black would be the only joke match.
    • Goomba vs. Koopa is also a joke battle.
    • It was an awesome fight, though.
  • Batman vs Captain America: Not the fact that Batman won, but the post-fight explanation as to why. A) Relying on the cliched "Batman is Crazy-Prepared" meme - which apparently translated into "spam booby traps from a weapon that only exists in one continuitynote " B) Saying Batman's fighting skill would overcome (not just counter) Cap's physical advantages because Batman has mastered ALL THE STYLES while Cap is "merely" very good. Cap is explicitly one of the best hand-to-hand fighters in the Marvel Universe with years of experience taking of foes at and above his weight class. Something the Death Battle crew ignores to genuflect at the feet of The Bat God.