are a sizable religious cult in this universe
Why? Because the spirits of the Dark Carnival are real
. Though they're far too fringe to be considered a mainstream religion, their followers make up a group almost as large as the Cthulhu cult
, and they're classified as religious terrorists in some parts of the world. Oliver Haddo tried to recruit them into his group at one point note
, but they just trashed his headquarters and showered him with Faygo.
- Or perhaps they're a Spin off of the Hi Hats street gang
Because if you're going to become an all-powerful Mega Corp.
with a monopoly on space exploration, what better place to start? In Century: 2010
, they'll appear in the background as the manufacturers of an iPod/iPhone analogue that shows up everywhere. It wouldn't be 2010 without one, after all...
- Alternatively Apple could become Aperture Science. The timelines don't quite work out, but both companies, founded by gaunt, eccentrically brilliant men who died before their time because of a painfully slow disease, have a fondness for manufacturing powerful computers with user-friendly, smooth, white designs. After all, what's Siri for the iPhone but a less powerful, less homicidal version of GLADOS?
- Alternatiely alternatively, Fatboy Industries and their uMaster technology.
is this universe's version of the iPod/iPhone
Before it was the universe's greatest supercomputer, it started out its life as an all-purpose entertainment storage device that everyone on the planet wound up owning. It'll show up in Century: 2010
when it's still in its "entertainment device" phase.
They started out as one of the world's first big software corporations before eventually making the brain-interface computers used by cyberspace cowboys to jack into the Matrix. They're also the manufacturers of a video-game console called the "X-Deck
", which eventually evolves into the ever-popular Simstim deck.
Well, it is
supposed to be a Crisis Crossover
of all fiction, and it's dabbled in everything from Victorian Adventure novels, to 1950s spy serials, to Jack Kerouac
, HP Lovecraft
, and Charlie Chaplin
so far. It seems like Westerns would be a logical step. The Man With No Name is one of the most iconic heroes out there, and he'd probably still be alive (though aged
and possibly retired
) by the 1890s. At some point, when the League was really strapped for cash, they tracked him down to steal the cache of gold that he wrested from the Confederates in The Good The Bad And The Ugly
- Perhaps his real name is William Munny. Alternately, he's another immortal who has appeared as many variants of the "Man With No Name" archetype through the years. Or he's a time traveler whose real name is Roland Deschain.
- Or that portal in the top room of the Dark Tower actually sent Roland into a parallel Earth, where he decided to forget his quest and spend his life wandering through the West. He doesn't have a name because the portal erased all memory of his previous life, and he genuinely doesn't know his own name.
Alan Quatermain becomes Alan Moore
I sat around and this just came to me (way too much time on my hands). In the Leagues universe all fiction is true and is actually a biography of true events right? And also all books in our universe was written in the Leagues universe too right? Well then this series has to also exists in the League's universe, but most of this stuff was secret government missions, so no one would know what happened, and because of the Ingsoc years, its thought that all these people really were fiction. So then only a person with first person knowledge of these events would be able to write them, and considering that Alan Quatermain is both immortal and apparently dissapears after the epilogue of 1969, it is possible that he took up a pen name, grew a beard, and began to write these down as comics. It also explains why in the first two volumes, Quartermain was an Author Avatar for Moore, becuase in this universe he is him.
- Jossed; Allan dies at the end of Century 2009, with a funeral vaguely reminiscent of his burial in the film.
Mars, in this universe, eventually becomes known as Arrakis
I doubt this was intentional, but still...the outfit that Gullivar Jones wears in the second volume reminded me a lot of a Fremen stillsuit, complete with a gasmask and Arab-inspired robe/burnoose combo. Combined with the various Middle-Eastern motifs in the Mars scenes (hell, the book opens with Gullivar riding a flying carpet), it seems more than a little bit reminiscent of Dune
. Then again, if The Invisible Man
and H. G. Wells
both exist in the same universe around this time, it's a pretty safe bet that The Time Machine
exists as well. It's entirely possible that one or more of the characters could have used it to visit the future that Frank Herbert described in the Dune
books. And Gullivar and John Carter did
mention the Molluscs performing genetic experiments during their time on Mars. Maybe the Sandworms are the descendants of one of these experiments.
- The existence of the The Time Machine was confirmed in the Story Allan and the Sundered Veil, in which he fights alongside Allan against Lovecraft's Great Old Ones, so the theory definitely works.
- It may or may not have been intentional, but Jess Nevins also noted the connection in his annotations for Volume 2, mentioning that Gullivar seems to be drawn with eyes that are a lot bluer than the other characters in the series, possibly in reference to the Eyes of Ibad exhibited by users of the Spice. You're not the only one who noticed it.
- Same passage also notes that Gullivar could well be a Fictional Counterpart of Lawrence of Arabia, which Paul Atrides also was for Frank Herbert. Is it possible that Paul here is a fabricated identity created by Gullivar?
- As for chronology problems, they were mostly glossed over in the case of 1984's Ingsoc government, so why not here?
Jonathan Harker wasn't necessarily the bad guy in his marriage with Mina.
In the League
universe, Jonathan Harker has apparently discarded Mina and divorced her because of his disgust with the severity of the injuries she received at the hands of Dracula and her now being "soiled" goods. But in the original novel Dracula
, Jonathan is a more loyal, caring and loving husband than this later coldness would have us believe. So why did Jonathan and Mina split up?
It's worth noting that everything we hear (what little we hear) about the breakdown of Mina's marriage comes from Mina herself. Mina is not only bitter about her marriage, but is also noticeably neurotic and insecure about her injuries. She wears the long scarf twenty-four seven to obscure them; she is touchy about any mention of her history (both about her divorce and before); and, when she realizes that Allan has seen her scars after their night of passion, she automatically believes the worst about his reaction, so much so that she treats him coldly until he manages to convince her to let him hear him out.
It's possible that Harker wasn't disgusted by Mina's injuries at all — or, at least, wasn't as disturbed as Mina would have us believe. But Mina, already sensitive to the point of neurosis about her injuries, managed to convince herself that Jonathan felt that way about her. Then she treated him just like she did Allan; and, since Harker had hidden his own traumas at the hands of Dracula, he didn't
force the issue. The resulting lack of communication eventually poisoned the marriage so badly that divorce was the unfortunate conclusion.
Even if Jonathan WAS the bad guy in his marriage to Mina, it wasn't her scars that caused it.
Mina had once been a relatively proper Victorian woman, but her harrowing experiences with Dracula left her emotionally unavailable, and also quick to pick a fight and defend herself. Jonathan had been raised with a blinkered view of how a woman should behave, and when she began to deviate from that, he found it hard to articulate his real displeasure with her, and settled on using her scars as the excuse.
- She noticeably became hugely aroused when Alan licked her scars, similar to the way a Vampire Bat will lap up blood after the initial puncture with its dry tongue - an implication that she is familiar with the feeling, and that she finds it a turn-on. Possibly she developed her complex out of sexual guilt about how much more sexy the Count was compared to good old Jonathan?
At some point the League will meet other immortals
Scottish immortals who ritualistically chop off the heads of other immortals
. One of whom looks a lot like Jimmy...
The James Bond
character in Black Dossier is not the same man who appears in the Bond novels and movies.
As in the original Casino Royale
movie (and one of the theories on the James Bond
WMG page), the name is passed on to whatever agent currently holds the 007 rank.
- He's certainly not Pierce Brosnan. But it's possible that he's Roger Moore.
- It could be the James from the novels. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen doesn't pay much attention to the continuity of the films, just classic literature.
- But they do use characters from movies — for example, Hynkel from The Great Dictator.
- Yes, but there does seem to be a distinct preference for the original versions of various characters, regardless of which medium they first appeared in. Hynkel first appeared in his movie, Bond did not.
- Seeing as it is set in 1958 and he's just returned from Jamaica, it would place him within the timeframe of the book, set in 1958. The film was set in 1962. This Bond also resembles the novel Bond.
- I'm inclined to agree. On the other hand, Sean Connery's Bond as he appears in the film version of Goldfinger can be found in Century 1969.
- Alternately, Bond bathed in the life-restoring fire from She just like Alan and Mina did, and he remains an active secret agent from the 1950s up to the 2000s. Considering how iconic the character is, it would make sense to have him remain an active player in the series through several successive decades (unlike a lot of other characters in the series, his popular exploits aren't confined to a single brief time period).
- 2009 makes it clear that that Bond was supposed to be Connery (and his final fate is a fittingly Moore-like response to his role in the movie. The various other Bonds that appear in 2009 cover the rest of his incarnations, right up to Daniel Craig.
- Close. Connery actually shows up, sans-hairpiece, as one of the movie Bonds. It's implied that the original James Bond is the one from the Fleming novels.
- This troper wants to believe that the original, literary Bond is the David Niven incarnation, as he's Bond for Casino Royale. After that his nephew (Jimmy!) takes over, and goes on to become the Sean Connery-incarnation Bond. (Still haven't worked out film vs. book chronology entirely, but it's a start).
- Actually works out pretty well, if we assume several incarnations were in the field at once (and remember, we see both Daniel Craig and Roger Moore together in Century: 2009).
- And Daniel Craig also lived through the events of Casino Royale... because... uh- it's a simulation organized by M, based on the earliest 007 case, to test him? Maybe?
Lazenby was, in this universe, the only Bond who was actually a decent human being
Only actual martial artist to play Bond, so presumably more of a threat in a fight. Plus, Lazenby quit being Bond after his agent warned him that such a misogynistic character couldn't survive through the liberal seventies- misogyny is one of Moore's major complaints against Bond. Plus, he may have married Emma/ Tracy, so he's obviously not as much a bastard as Connery!Jimmy.
"A bookish academic who is also an expert vampire-killer." Did I just describe Van Helsing or Giles?
- The Watchers' Council was technically founded in ancient times. Van Helsing was either a member or worked alongside them. He was so influential that he helped turned it around.
- Moore has stated that he wants to use Buffy for the last chapter of Volume 3, so I wouldn't be surprised if this was canon.
- Van Helsing's (allegedly) Dutch, while the Watchers originated in Africa. Is it possible the organization switched custody during the Boer Wars? It'd be pretty typical Moore to blend popular culture with controversial history.
The pool of immortality is the remains of a crashed TARDIS
Though it usually grants straight-up immortality, some people who bathed in it do die & regenerate. Alan died of old age before becoming "A.J.", Ayesha went from being African to Asian at some point, ina turned blonde (although her scars remained, possibly due to being supernatural). It is said to be something that fell from outer space, so it's as good an explaination as any. We know The Doctor exists in the Leagueverse, as his TARDIS shows up briefly in Black Dossier & NTA makes a brief mention of the Silurians, connecting them with The Creature from The Black Lagoon.
- Mina's blondness is in fact an effect she created via a wig or dye or something. In her adventures post-fountain, Pre-Dossier, she retains her brunetteness.
- Jossed by the first issue of LOEG: Century - it's a product of a black monolith
- Mina's blondness nature have been denied on Century Issue 2. She just dyed her hair blond, and now she's back being a brunette, though her color is a bit more of red than before (maybe she just died a little red, or its just color issues).
The creators of Superman apparently based Metropolis partly on Toronto and partly on Cleveland, Ohio. And when Mina and Allen went to America per Black Dossier, they didn't visit Metropolis. Because it was in another country. Therefore, our Big Blue Boy Scout is secretly... a Canuck. Don't ask me about all the Superman knockoffs this world must have, though.
Just as Orlando surpassed his father Tiresias in gender-bending, Jack will surpass Orlando in immortality and promiscuity.
- Unfortunately you forget that Jack got his revivication abilities from Rose a.k.a. the Bad Wolf Entity, he did not inherit them like Orlando.
- Orlando didn't inherit them either, he got them from the Ugandan pool with a smashed monolith.
The world of the League is actually the Land of Fiction from the Second Doctor
serial "The Mind Robber"
Pretty strait forward. Note that when the Doctor bumped into Lemuel Gulliver, he was incapable of realizing that his world was "unreal"- he couldn't perceive the Master's robot guards. So clearly the whole League-verse is just a constructed reality located adjacent
to the Whoniverse, and none of the fictional inhabitants notice any of it. If you need any further proof, the First and Eleventh doctors can be seen in Century: 2009, looking as if they're involved in something serious- definitely getting involved in some new Land of Fiction- oriented adventure.
The various "higher powers" - the gods and the Great Old Ones and whatnot - will one day evolve into the Arisians and the Eddore from the Lensman series.
Hey, en't no one else around to do the job.
- For this to take place, the Lensman timeline has to start fairly soon- requiring that World War III break out. Eep!
The Elder Gods belong to the same race of beings as the Ainur
The Sorns exist on Barsoom, suggesting that it is the same world as Malacandra
. Numenor is mentioned in That Hideous Strength
If by the time the series catches up to the modern day Oliver Haddo, i.e., every dark wizard from British fiction, isn't referred to by some variant of "He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named", this troper will eat his hat.
Word of God
- If not Voldemort, then Harry Potter himself definitely will. King's Cross has already been established as an important locale, so it's not unlikely that we we'll see a black haired young man with a familiar scar on his forehead walking along in the background.
- For what it's worth, Moore already featured parody versions of Harry Potter and Dumbledore in the Smax miniseries.
- Also, Hogwarts is already in, at least by implication - Century includes a mention of 'the franchise express' departing from Victoria Station. So if the train's there, presumably so are all the characters.
- Tom Riddle appears as himself but he isn't an avatar or expy of Crowley until he ends up possessed by Haddo's spirit.
- Indeed cleared in 1969 - Tom Riddle is the latest host to Oliver Haddo's spirit.
- In fact, based on what we now know of both Haddo's soul and Harry's origin story, it's possible that a grown-up Harry could be the villain of the third installment. Consider - Haddo's soul passes through three hosts, choosing a younger body to live longer. Harry had a portion of Riddle's essence, hence his Parseltongue. Little bit of misdirection in the final book, and oh look, Haddo has given up his previous body for a younger one, and gets to carry out his endgame.
- Roughly confirmed. While Riddle's not the Big Bad, Harry is although he hasn't held true to Haddo's goals as of yet.
states that a Sikh terrorist descended from Nemo will appear in the final volume. There are few other Sikh villains said to live in this time period that would fit.
- I... I think my head just broke from how cool that would be...
- Is it possible the terrorist is V? I don't know how the years mesh up, but being a Sikh (or a known descendant of Nemo for that matter) would be enough to get someone sent to the camps.
- That would be wonderful, but in the Graphic novel, V died in 1998 bringing down Norsefire with him. Though, if the image of 2009 in Century: 1969 is anything to go by, it's likely that old regimes die hard.
- Not so. A cursory inspection of the collected V for Vendetta shows V to be alive and well at the end of the story...
- Apparently josses by Century 2009, where the descendant is revealed to be the unremarkable "Jack Nemo."
- But this could still work; if Little Jack takes the nickname Khan (after Shere Khan, a famous tiger from his home country), he could be Khan No-name, the Sikh.
The Golliwog is the same race as the creators of the TMA Monoliths
- He has already been stated to hail from a "dark matter dimension" and made of a material that completely absorbs light. Since the first issue of Century has him sailing to the moon, we may see him make a connection to his home world via the monoliths.
By the final issue of Century, Emma Peel will become the next "M"
- In the Black Dossier she was offhandedly referred to as "Em," and we know that she will eventually rise through the ranks of British Intelligence. If the Bond-as-codename theory is correct and the League follows this theory, the Bond of the final volume will be Daniel Craig's incarnation, who answers to an M played by Judi Dench. Emma could fit this role nicely.
- Alternatively, the role of M will bee taken by Malcolm Tucker. After all, he seems to run everything else in British government.
- Confirmed in Century: 2009.
Morlocks, the Time Traveler, and characters from Metropolis
have already appeared in League canon. The future in The Time Machine
was, according to Wells, the result of trillions of years of class division (Metropolis) and division of labor (Brave New World) brought about by industrialism and capitalism (Atlas Shrugged).
- Then the ending of Metropolis was a Pyrrhic Victory.
- All of this works except for Metropolis. It's already canon that the titular Metropolis is actually Berlin in the early 20th century. The robot Maria was a member of the German league as early as the 1910s, as established in Black Dossier.
- If we're talking about dystopic and apocalyptic fiction, thought, Mad Max could easily fit.
- I'd like to imagine that the Mad Max dystopia is isolated in Australia. The reckless driving may also be what finally kills the last of the Liliputians
- All of this will probably be in the far future...and both Danger Days and the Mushroom War probably has something to do with Orlando.
- THX 1138 also takes place in the future. But it happens a century after Brave New World. Apparently, some kind of nuclear war happened since then, which resulted humanity to live underground. After the end of the movie, THX chose to live above the surface and mingled with any surviving humans and became the founding father of the Eloi society.
- Actually, it does not seem hard to picture Atlas Shrugged happening sometime after World War II. Jet planes are described as a technology that is relatively new and television is described as a novelty rather than something commonplace, putting the technology level at the 1950s. Also, there is mention to "People's States" in South America and Europe, capitalism as we know it is an ideal from the 19th century, and countries around the world are seeing big-government Marxist statism ... fitting in with the establishment of Ingsoc and Big Brother in Britain.
All, and I mean ALL, of the Post-Apocalyptic forms of work (comics, manga, films, literature and music) will be depicted, or exist along, after some kind of nuclear war
- From Danger Days, to The Stand, Mad Max, Y: The Last Man, I Am Legend, Desert Punk, and even some zombie stuff, it will all coexist in a post-apocalyptic world, and all would be like turfs and gangs, all divided into a big nothing world, desert and destroyed.
While female, Orlando was Freya from Merlin
- Well, it's already stated in Black Dossier that he boinked the magus, so... there it goes.
will only become active in the 1960s
Its a widespread factoid that the first Batman story cribs its story nigh-word-for-word from a The Shadow
story. So, here goes: all the adventures that are specific to Golden Age
Batman are actually Shadow adventures. Batman will start sometime in the 60s, and be accompanied by some twit kid who says "Holy invisibility!" a lot.
- In the Wold Newton timeline, Batman's Golden Age adventures and the LXG are canon. The 60s Batman could be Dick Grayson and 60s Robin is probably Bruce Wayne Jr.
- Batman would start being active in 1939, when he first appeared.
The History of the Batman
- Contrariwise, there have been multiple Batmen through out Gotham's lifetime. First was Bruce Wayne, who continued his vendetta of crime with a child sidekick named Dick Grayson, sooner later replaced by Jason Todd when Grayson became Nightwing. However, Bruce Wayne would suffer from a mental breakdown after Jason Todd was murdered by the Joker, forcing him to retire.
- After Bruce's forced retirement, Dick took on the role with his side kick Bruce "Damian" Wayne Junior. This Batman was the one we saw in the 60s, more light-hearted and hip, but over time, he couldn't handle the heavy stress work from being Batman, he gave the title to his recently ressurected brother, Jason Todd.
- However, Jason Todd's tenure as Batman was noted for his heavily aggressive attitude, but he was later calmed by a young Tim Drake and lost most of his homicidal tenancies. His tenure was short, for he was soon crippled (mentally and physically) by a South American Terrorist named Bane. He would later return to the anti-hero world as the Red Hood.
- His tenure was replaced by a certain Jean-Paul Valley, who was a poor choice in Jason's part and mentally unwell. This forced Dick Grayson to return as Batman and remove Jean-Paul forcefully from his tenure as Batman.
- Alan Moore won't miss the chance!
- It would make a lot of sense if he did. One of the main conceits of the series is that the world of fiction is a strange mirror to our own world, and events in fiction run parallel to the world of fact, a la the Hitler/Hynkel doubling. At the end of V for Vendetta, the film version at least, everyone in Britain marches on Parliament wearing V's mask. In real life, that iconic V mask has been used by the hacking group Anonymous as well as the Occupy movement around the world. The world of fiction in V for Vendetta spilled over to the world of fact. It wouldn't be out of place to see a protest featuring people wearing V's mask in the final volume of Century at all, even if the story *wasn't* set in a world of fiction.
is another immortal from the Pool Of Life
Before the end of the 20th century, our heroes will live through some kind of nuclear exchange
A lot of fiction has been made based on the idea that there was some kind of atomic war in the three generations after World War II
. A lot
. If its coming, then we ought to see it sometime around The Eighties
, since atomic war fiction before then tends towards potenially kick-ass after-effects (example off the top of my head - Asimov's "I, Robot" collection), while fiction during and after then points up potentially horrific side-effects (Threads
, Mad Max
), while also marking a rise in the number of guntoting goons in pop fiction
. Maybe it ties into the Crisis on Infinite Earths
, maybe it doesn't. Whichever, our protagonists better dress up warm
, and start watching out for cyborg-versus-atomic-zombie brutality
- It's possible that The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy will be involved. In Black Dossier, Oliver Haddo pointed out that the number of Smarra (the harlot said to bring the end of the world) had a sacred number of four hundred and forty-two. If this is the case, the number forty-two might play a role in the Apocalypse.
Notes on world leaders
From 2000 to 2008, the American President was John Blutarsky
. In 2008 he was replaced by David Palmer
- More likely it would be Jed Bartlet, followed by Matthew Santos. Especially since The West Wing's rogue state of Qumar is going to play a major role in 2009.
- It should probably be added that at the time he was partially based on one senator Barack Obama, therefore lending himself as a perfect fictional stand-in.
- The parallels to Obama are too perfect not to use. The final election as depicted on The West Wing between Arnold Vinick and Matthew Santos had eerie similarities to the real election between Obama and McCain, something which didn't go unnoticed by the American media.
- The 2008 election was between David Palmer and Teddy Bridges.
- David Palmer turns out to be president in Century: 2009. Which raises the question of what happened with the Santos election. (Assassination? Backs down in favor of Palmer? Maybe Palmer in the League-verse is candidate of a third party?)
- Given that Santos had no V.P. (after Leo McGarry's death on election night), perhaps Palmer was his V.P. and then Santos either quit or was murdered.
- Or perhaps Santos was killed by the Toclafane during The Master's invasion of Earth, and Palmer (as VP) succeeded him.
- Blutarsky remained a member of the U.S. senate, alongside illustrious names like Arthur Petrelli and Robert Kelly.
- Both of whom, incidentally, were ardent supporters of The Kane Act, which cracked down on super powered entities using their abilities to fight crime during the third term of Max Foster.
- In the Fifties, nuclear catastrophe was narrowly averted by President Merkin Muffley, aided by an eccentric German scientist. The scientist later became Secretary of State under Max Foster.
- David Palmer never got to finish his term as President, as Keyser Söze infiltrated the US Congress under the alias "Francis Underwood", and eventually managed to oust Palmer and become president himself.
- Keyser Söze eventually backed his long-time ally/protege Alexander "Lex" Luthor in a successful bid for the presidency.
- Thomas Carcetti was elected President in 2024, after a long stint as Governor of Maryland. He presided over the war with the city-state of Zero One in Qumar.
- Also Tom Davis is almost certainly the British Prime Minister.
- All but confirmed - in interviews Moore mentioned writing dialogue for Malcolm Tucker at one point.
- Adenoid Hynkel's middle name was "Gloriana". You know why.
- In that case, "Springtime For Hynkel" must be a Tony-award winning classic.
- Timothy Keagan, Max Foster, Fidel Castro and Robert McNamara once fought zombies in the Pentagon.
- Abraham Lincoln was the one of the first Male Slayers.
- The 80's saw way to US President Robert Redford and U.K. Prime Minister Helen Atcher.
- Let's not forget the lukewarm and bureaucratic government of Jim Hacker.
- Max Foster was a martial artist who once put out a drug that shrank black men's dicks.
- It's an outright fact that Timothy Keagan was assassinated from a grassy knoll, though it's unknown who the gunman that killed him was due to the ludicrously large amount of gunmen at the mound who claimed responsibility for killing him, some though suspect that a bullet didn't kill him but rather a mutant did.
- Sometime in the sixties, several significant communist leaders participated in a British quiz show. Among those present were Bordurian dictator Kurvi-Tasch and General Alcazar of San Theodoros.
- Clayton M. Abernathy became President in the early 2010s.
- Right-wing folk singer Bob Roberts won the 90's election with over half of the votes, but only served halfway through the thirty days when he was outed by a brother and a sister from Springfield for using the names of the deceased as voters and tricking him to confess by claiming he was Birth Barlow's puppet.
Harry Potter is the Moonchild
If Voldemort has received the Crowley expy and the Moonchild may still take decades to create, it only follows...
- Well, that couuuuuld make sense. However, as the last issue of Century is set on 2010, and Harry Potter is no longer a child (more likely, an auror, maybe), and the Moonchild is told to be born on the year of 2010, then the chances are harsh. Let's wait to see.
- Depends on how a Moonchild works - Harry could be the vessel for Moonchild-related energies that are summoned into him (and seeing as how Haddo has a variation on Crowley's "love is the law" phrase at the end of his treatise on the gods in Black Dossier, and how Harry is infused with his mother's love, it's certainly possible that he's undergone initial preparation (disclaimer: I know very little about Thelema or Crowley's novel The Moonchild, so I could easily be talking out of my arse)).
- Regarding Potter and connections to Crowley - I doubt that Rowling studied much about the occult, despite accusations lobbied against her by certain religious groups. Mythology, sure, but not Crowleyan occultism. Still, one thing came to mind - Crowley's "Liber 777" describes how divine knowledge reaches humanity through the Sephirot in a path that resembles three backwards sevens, hence the title. It's possible that this Moonchild is meant to be a magical savior, connecting humanity to the path of the divine a la the ending to Alan Moore's Promethea. As such, it would make sense for Haddo/Crowley to mark his Moonchild with a symbol of *three sevens in the shape of a lightning bolt.*
From Monty Python's Life of Brian
, Brian is set like a messiah, just like Jesus. And, as we have seen through the comics that real life figures have been replaced by his fictional counterparts (The Beatles — The Rutles, Adolf Hitler — Adenoid Hynkel, Queen Elizabeth — Queen Gloriana, Mick Jagger and The Rolling Stones — Turner Purple and The Purple Orchestra), it could make sense that Brian is the League's Christ figure (without replacing the names of "Jesus" or "Christ", as they were just translations of the real name of Jesus).
This is, of course, assuming that Jesus existed on real life, and I presume the League's universe would take Brian as a messiah (being humans too, they would, I presume). Don't start a flame religious war here, it's just a WMG that occured to me.
- This theory would only work if Brian was a Jesus stand in. But the film clearly states that Brian is not the messiah (he's a very naughty boy!) and he is not Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus himself appears twice in the film - once during the Nativity and once preaching his Sermon on the Mount. And in both instances Jesus was depicted in an orthodox Christian way. In the League universe, Jesus is likely still Jesus. Brian's cult probably sputtered and died soon after his crucifixion. Although a Gnostic-style cult centered around Brian might be interesting...
- A theory about Brian being the real messiah, and not Jesus, on the League's universe? That would be something.
- In this universe, it's probably more likely that Karl Glogauer is Jesus.
- Or the Caveman from "The Man from Earth." Or any other fictional version of Jesus.
- A statue in The Black Dossier seems to suggest that this world's equivalent of Christ is Ben Hur.
- If either of these guesses are true...why aren't either of their names being used when Commandment number 3 gets broken?
- Technically, they would still say "Christ" either way, since "Christ" just means "anointed". It's possible that the phrase "Ben-Hur Christ!"/"Brian Christ!" just never really entered the popular lexicon in this world, since neither of them really have the same ring as "Jesus Christ!"
- Orlando actually does say "Jesus Christ" when she recognizes Alan in Century: 2009.
- The League-verse's Magi got it wrong (uh... twice). Or they just decided to choose Jesus over Brian because they didn't want to have to include Brian's mother in the New Testament (could you blame them?).
- Of course, if Brian is the Messiah, that would make Naughtius Maximus the Christian God...
- The League-verse's Dr. Caligari is the one from the hallucination, not the actual psychiatrist. And we see evidence that the cop purgatory from Ashes to Ashes exists in the League-verse, not as a separate dimension. So maybe the fictional counterpart thing isn't 100% strait forward.
I'd pay money to see this.
- Maybe it will be something of fiction? I think Moore would like to (maybe) depict the kids playing video games of varied forms.
- Oh, but could you imagine the red tape to get that through? I mean, O'Neill was able to get Snow White into a couple of frames in the Blazing World but I'd imagine anything remotely later would be more like a Lawyer Unfriendly Cameo. But if they could, maybe in the way the above Troper suggested, or in the inevitable space travel adventure, the allusions to the interconnectedness of those worlds their implications within this realm of fiction would be quite something.
The League will visit another planet.
- Moore has pretty much confirmed this...hopefully Ivalice will be the planet in question.
- A likely guess would be Mars, for a good poetic reason.
Referring to the above WMG Morshu will join the League.
It's unlikely, but if he did they'd never be short on rupees.
The Big Brother government will make a comeback in some form.
When Norton warps into 2009 we see a symbol on a guard's shield that resembles a similar logo on the door of the Ministry of Love in Black Dossier. The difference this time round is that the world is more like the reality show
than George Orwell's novel
The League will fail to stop the Moonchild - and this will be a good thing!
Anyone who's read Alan Moore's other work - Promethea in particular - knows that he's actually a very big fan of Crowley. Making him just a straight up villain seems far too simple a move for Moore to pull. In Promethea the "unending aeon" Crowley predicted brought down the world. Not the planet or humanity, but our destructive system of governments, bureaucracy, and everything that oppresses us. The Moonchild in this story might turn out to be the best thing to happen to the world, bringing down governments and allowing for pure freedom of imagination. So if the Moonchild is Harry Potter as others have said, Moore might be paying a huge compliment to J.K. Rowling!
Or he may just make Potter out to be a bastard. We know that he's done worse to other beloved characters.
- You've definitely got a point there, though it should be noted that most of Crowley's analogues so far have been villains in their original texts, magnificent bastards perhaps, but stlll villains. Despite this I'm still inclined to agree with you and think that the resistance to the so-called Moonchild is Moore's way of demonstrating society's fear of change, which has caused culture to stagnate and become repressed.
- Semi-Jossed; Harry has basically been manipulated by Haddo all through his life in Century 2009, and is reminiscent of an incredibly spoilt brat with an insane level of power. However, Haddo's Moonchild isn't the apocalyptic being he predicted, but Haddo's decapitated head - taken by Harry - now predicts that Mina and Orlando will be the harbingers of a strange and terrible aeon in the Antichrist's place. So the Moonchild was meant to be pure evil, but wasn't quite all he was... Chalked up to be, to make a Bondian pun.
The UN unsuccessfully attempted to form an international League in The Nineties
We know that Captain Universe answers to the UN to a certain degree, so even though evidence of the original 1898 league has been all but erased, the concept of putting together a team of 'Special' individuals is still present and may have been used to bridge international relations. The league would be helmed by an aged Captain Universe, with potential members including an overpowered anime/manga character (Take your pick, but I'm thinking Goku
; a delegate from Russia, a jaded product of the collapsed Soviet Union
and an African warlord, in line with the League's history of taking in monsters. The league is of course disbanded, possibly following their failure to prevent 9/11 or its fictional stand-in. I'm not too sure about the specifics so any other suggestions are more than welcome.
- Hum. Mac? Stealing the identity of Dr Sidney Zweibel (who went into Witness Protection under the alias Seth Brundle and tragically vanished), he'd probably be useful as a techie for such a group. While gaining degrees under human pseudonyms - Ian Malcolm, David Levinson - and doing some "vacationing", of course.
- Darkman. Fits with the "monster" thing.
- Anna Espinosa, during her... wild years. Somehow.
- Sagat, mauy thai expert and mercenary. He might have been persuaded to chip in in exchange for certain charges being forgotten.
- Marv, badass on par with Chuck Norris (though not nearly as powerful.)
- Jason Voorhees. The League aren't averse to taking in invisible rapists, rampaging monsters, or terrorists in submarines — they probably wouldn't lose much sleep over hiring a serial killer. With the right amount of brainwashing and/or mystical control, he'd be a good guy to have on their leash.
- An aging Dr. Daisuke Serizawa, who'd been presumed dead and in hiding since the 1950s, served as the team's science advisor, and used his experience with unusual creatures to help the team battle supernatural threats.
- Jason Scott, Trini Kwan, and Zack Taylor, a trio of teenagers hailing from Angel Grove, California, joined after the League discovered them at a peace conference in Switzerland. They used their martial art skills and past experience with monsters and robotics to help the League battle extraterrestrial threats. Later, Jason had to leave the League when someone was needed to take the Gold Ranger power.
- Black or the Minotaur, either one really. If the theorized League led (presumably) by Phileas Fogg is any example, preteens have been in Leagues so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch that the ultraviolent Black might have ended up in it. Of course though, The Minotaur is apparently a separate entity so it's just as likely (if not more so) that he'd be part of this group, the League has no problem recruiting monsters into their group...and the Minotaur is even tough enough to fight professional alien assassins, assassins who pretty much take down all the threats to Snake wherever else they go.
- Deadpool, it may seem unlikely but he is pretty much an all around powerhouse, not to mention a complete nutjob, since the government has no trouble recruiting loonies (see Hyde or Griffin) he'd fit right in...plus they'd probably involve superheroes at some point.
- Duke, while a good deal of his schemes have failed in the past someone like him would probably either make a good member or handler for the group (he's not that much better than Campion Bond after all.)
- All their cases come from tapes produced by Carl Kolchak, a Chicago reporter heavily involved with the supernatural.
Notes on companies, brands, and public figures
Moore has stated that Driveshaft
and the actor Vince Chase
would be alluded to. What other brands, bands and actors would 2009 feature? Would teenagers pirate the latest Kirk Lazarus
movie on Aperture
brand laptops? At night would they choose between take out at Krusty Burger
? Do fans gather in The Metaverse
to argue over the latest episode of Inspector Spacetime
- In this world, the fictional show Galaxy Quest is probably their equivalent of Star Trek.
- Kiss Saves Santa is a popular holiday classic.
- Wormhole X-Treme! is a classic sci-fi series in reruns that spawned two spin-offs, Wormhole: R'lyeh and Wormhole: Total Perspective Vortex.
- Angus McGyver worked as a consultant for the show for several years as a post-retirement job.
- Superhero comics are probably not that big a deal anymore, but with the anniversary of a few significant deaths coming up, studios are working on some big budget biopic films.
- Based on a series of documents leaked around a decade ago about a weird division of MI6 in the Victorian period, which quite caught the public imagination at the time, a few writers have tried their own take on the idea. Of course, no-one really cares about those stories anymore.
- Ron Nasty was shot in 1980 by a deranged gunman named Holden Caulfield
- Which has spawned a conspiracy theory in which Nasty's murder was actually caused by novelist Richard Bauchman and US Presidents Lancelot R. Gilligrass and Robert Redford.
- Some variations of the theory accuse Ben Ravencroft instead of Bauchman, sometimes connecting it to Ravencroft's alleged ties to black magic.
- After the Water-gateway Scandal, The US Congress lowered the age of eligibility for presidency to appease the youth vote and they, in turn, elected Prez Rickard, a teenaged middle-american who was an idealist who pardoned Gilligrass and lead the way for better gun control laws.
- The biggest progressive rock band was Pink Floyd, named for the nickname of its lead singer and songwriter Floyd "Pink" Pinkerton, who suffered from a temporary yet disturbing mental breakdown in 1980. According to press reports, he was in ill mental health and on drugs but pushed onstage, and he went on a wild anti-Semitic, racist, and homophobic rant while apparently hallucinating that he was in some Neo-Nazi rally.
- After a failed attempt at starring in a television show, Mia Wallace became one of Hollywood's biggest actresses with her breakout role in Kill Bill. From Dusk Till Dawn is also fictional.
- "Ayn Rand" was a pen name used by industrialist and philosopher Andrew Ryan, who created another identity so that he could publish books on his ideas while hiding out in Rapture. He figured that writing as a woman would make his philosophy seem less threatening.
- Nozz-a-la is an iconic American soft drink, known for its distinctive red and white logo with the curly script and its ad campaign with the polar bears. That soft drink company that sent representatives to the North Pole to meet Santa Claus was actually the Nozz-a-la Company.
- Big Brother is one of the most controversial TV shows in the world due to being named after the Totalitarian Government from the early 20th century.
- Which is really saying something when other contemporary shows include Celebrity Rape-an-Ape, Total Drama Island, Drawn Together, and Sex House.
- But that does not even come close to The Truman Show, where a human being lived in an artificial island society unaware that his life was a television program and everyone around him was an actor. People were split on the morality of this situation: many enjoyed the show and even felt comfort from it, while others felt that this was a form of enslavement. Regardless, the program changed television history and made the reality show popular beginning in the 1990s.
- Reality shows based around Paranormal Investigation remain popular despite the deaths of the Grave Encounters crew and the Spirit Seekers.
- GameaVision is a Video Game company known for it's infamous history during the Larrity-Era in the 80's.
- Kiddy Kastle is a theme park franchise and a known competitor of Thrillville and Fun-Fun Mountain.
- There is rumored to have been an episode of Deadliest Warrior that featured The Men in Black vs Torchwood Institute, but all records and taping of the episode were lost and the hosts and crew having no memories of the days during filming.
- Fix-It Felix Jr., Hero's Duty and Sugar Rash are the hottest video games on the market and Fix-it Felix Jr and Sergeant Calhoun is a popular pairing between the fans.
- C.C.'S Pizza is one of the hottest pizza joints worldwide and was founded by the alleged Great-Great-Great Granddaughter of American Revolution figure Cameron Clemons or C.C., who took a bullet for Washington during the Siege of Yorktown and 'died'.
- Presidential candidate Charles Palantine was almost killed by a crazed gunman named Travis Bickle.
- Journalist Raoul Duke was an avid critic of the Foster Administration.
- John Malkovich quit his acting career around 2000, but went on to become one of the most respected puppeteers in history.
- Randy "The Ram" Robinson was the most popular American professional wrestler in the history of the sport, and helped make pro-wrestling what it is today. His feud with the "The Ayatollah" is legendary among wrestling fans.
- Cream Sponge Para Litefoot sneakers were a popular brand of shoes among teenagers in the 1920s. They enjoyed an unexpected resurgence in the 1990s, though, when they received a Celebrity Endorsement from famed basketball player Sky Davis.
- Martin Luther King Junior, having been shot April 4th, 1968, went into a coma that lasted until October 27, 2000. He amassed a lot of great publicity, even a movie deal. Unfortunately, his comments on a talk show about "turning the other cheek to the enemy" caused uproar and him becoming a social pariah. He later tried to reinvigorate his image but he was so disgusted by modern black culture and the world turning on him, he gave out a huge rant and later left for Canada. This inspired many African-Americans to take up political activism and have improved on their culture. King later died in Vancouver, British Columbia at the age of 91.
- The Theory of Natural Selection was developed in the mid-19th century by naturalist Stephen Maturin, who developed his notes on species differentiation while studying the wildlife of the Galapagos Islands during the Napoleonic Wars, when he served as a ship's surgeon aboard HMS Surprise. Much to his dismay, his ideas on "survival of the fittest" were co-opted by many corporate leaders in the late 1800s, who adopted the philosophy of "Social Maturinism" to justify their ruthless tactics. After his death, his name was vilified by many fundamentalist Christians, who considered his scientific explanation for the origin of animal species to be heretical. This led to a much-publicized trial in the 1920s, when a schoolteacher in the small town of Hillsboro was arrested for teaching Maturin's theories, and lawyers Matthew Harrison Brady and Henry Drummond duked it out in the courtroom over his fate.
- A popular, non-vampire themed media to spork is the Sci-Fi novel Lord of the Swastika by famed pulp fiction writer and Hynkel supporter, A.E. Hilter.
- The direct-to-DVD horror film Cleaver developed a cult following in the late 2000s as a So Bad, It's Good classic.
- Many would even consider calling it a modern The Man From Pluto. A Cold War allegory flick that went down hill when the director, Walter L. Ford replaced the lead actor, Paul McNewman with his boyfriend, a stagehand named Gus Duncz.
- A Kentucky woman wrote a series of children's books called My Little Horsey.
Notes on Celebrity Scandals
- Beloved 80's children's TV host, Stanley Spadowski revived flank during a stand up routine, by calling a heckler a Mutie!
- London Tipton, Hotel heiress and star of the Reality Show, The Suite Life reached real infamy for the leaking of a video staring her and Todd St Mark.
- Many children and parents were shocked when upstart children's entertainer and ventriloquist Arthur Crandall of ''The Gabbo Show'' called the children watching his show "Little SOBs" on (unintended) live television. Recently he has been on a reality tv show were celebrities compete in a dance contest.
- Speaking Springfield celebrities, famous B Movie star and beloved Saturday Night Live alumni, Troy McClure was murdered by his wife, Selma Bouvier-McClure, who at the time was strung out on drugs given to her by a friend of McClure, Matthew Brock. Brock was later punched out by another of McClure's friends, movie critic Jay Sherman.
- 1981 saw Zazz Blammymatazz's lead singer, Leonard Rockstein AKA Doctor Rockso, caught by police officers having sexual relations with an under-aged girl.
- Newark-born actor Andrew "Large" Largeman was one of the most recognizable sitcom stars of the 2000's, but his career was unexpectedly derailed when investigative journalist Lois Lane exposed his connections to Newark mobster Tony Soprano, who helped him on the road to fame.
The regions in the Pokémon
franchise are the geologically warped remains of Japan
Personally, I blame a technologically top-heavy Laputa
around the latter half of the 20th century. Would you trust those TV Geniuses
with nuclear technology?
The Moonchild will be an AI
, considering the themes of the work. Skynet
, the Machines
, and HAL 9000
could be failed experiments by companies infiltrated by Haddo's followers after the repeated failures of the Rosemary's Baby
strategy mentioned in Century:1969.
The League will live through the beginning of the Sixth World
However the lineline syncs up, by January 2013, The Sixth World has begun
. This, along with a bucketload of plans that have been footling away in the background, leads to vampires "coming out of the coffin"
, just in time to join a load of magical beings emerging. Haddo and Propero shout "Just as planned!" in unison, then sheepishly offer to buy each other a beer
. This change to the social landscape resets the corporate dystopia that had been forming, but by the end of the 21st century it is right back where it was in 2008.
That wasn't Mary Poppins at the end of Century...
... that was Thursday Next
The League didn't just visit Twin Peaks
when in Oregon
It also visited Gravity Falls
...after all, another town full of bizarre occurrences wouldn't miss their attention, but then again...
They barely managed to escape getting cau-
- Anyone else wish to try their luck?
The League has encountered one before, it's possible others existed as well.
Prospero will become a villain.
When reading the newest volume I noticed some rather odd things concerning Prospero.
- 1, he seemed to treat the League rather oddly, specifically as if he didn't need them anymore.
- 2, Haddo mentioned a 'strange and terrible new aeon' that Mina and Orlando heralded, and also mentioned a 'subtle game', John Subtle being an alias of Prospero.
- 3, He could have prevented the Antichrist the whole time, he mentioned scrying note Alan with Mina and Orlando when they faced the Antichrist, but if he could see the future then why didn't he just give direct instructions to the League back in the sixties? A lot of blood would have been saved otherwise.
Now as for what his motive would be I don't know, but in the Black Dossier it was said that the League was made to bridge the gap between mankind and the fairies, plus he also wanted the Shakespeare folio that said this...so maybe he's trying to bring back the faerie, but the question is...if that is his goal why would the faerie race's return be done with the amount of manipulation Prospero did?
- Not to mention, Prospero seems to have some kind of agenda concerning the black Monoliths from 2001 in Minions of the Moon. If Vol. 4 really does take the League to outer space, Minions seems like a major setup for that in retrospect.
The new Nautilus is a spaceship
Jack Nemo said that they might need his new Nautilus sooner due to the condition of the skies...so maybe that's what he meant, a way of Earth?
The League will now consist of...
Mina, Orlando, Emma Night, the Gally-Wag, and Jack Nemo.
Many popular works of fiction take place in The Matrix
In is timeline, the war with Skynet ends with the machines withdrawing to build their own civilization in the Middle East, a massive, automated city called Zero-One. There are no humans for hundres of miles, save for the artificially grown ones used as batteries/cluster-computers by the machines and a rumored underground city. These cloned humans are fed an artificial reality to keep their minds active.
- Presumably, a young scientist named Bolivar Trask had something to do with the technology that drives said machines' weapon systems (which is why they're still called "Sentinels" by the Zero-One period).
- X-Files is a strong candidate, since extraterestrials are commonplace in the League's reality. Maybe Mulder and Scully were actually "debugging" programs and didn't even know it. It would make sense that the machines limited their simulation to just Earth/Humans for a number of reasons, namely that it's just easier. So naturally, when a rogue program manifests as an alien/vampire/whatever, the system would try to cover it up. Just about any other alien conspiracy story would work as well.
- Remakes and reboots. For instance, if Golden Age Marvel/DC characters exist in the League universe, maybe the Marvel Cinematic Universe/Dark Knight Saga happened in the Matrix. The movies establish that the Matrix was revised to more accurately reflect human history. In the League universe, that would make it a pretty interesting place! Maybe all the other versions of those character existed in past "versions" of the Matrix.
Moore's made a Deus Ex
reference, plus mentions of the Mogul oil company and Tesco as portrayed in Time Trumpet are giving the impressions of corporations that secretly control more than we know...so this might not be out of impossibility...Hell, even Fu Manchu exists in TF2 as well.
Charles Foster Kane will appear in the next story, and he wants the Pool of Immortality
In the description to the upcoming "Nemo: Heart of Ice," Pirate Jenny's voyage to the South Pole is financed by "An influential publishing tycoon, embarrassed by the theft of valuables belonging to a visiting Ugandan monarch." Other sources say that the opening scene of the story will take place in New York before going to Antarctica. Publishing tycoon in New York? Kane seems an obvious fit. Not sure who the Ugandan monarch could be, but the Pool of Kor is located in Uganda in the League 'verse. Perhaps Kane wants to delay his final word?
- Confirmed, or at least the part about Kane.
- Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Moore was already planning this part back when The Black Dossier came out. The first time I read that one, I found myself wondering why the 1950s "M" didn't look anything like Orson Welles, since we're told that Harry Lime was one of his many alter-egos. But if he was already planning on adding another famous Orson Welles character in a future volume, it makes sense.
- The other explanation is that the Harry Lime in Black Dossier is not the American version played by Orson Welles, but the British version from the novel. I'm sure Moore chose this version because making Harry Lime M is too perfect to pass up, but it would just be too hard to explain how an American racketeer became the head of British Intelligence.
- OR... in the film The Third Man, the man who supposedly kills Harry Lime in the sewers of Vienna was the same person who played M first. Maybe Lime had his face altered to resemble his in order to infiltrate MI6? Wouldn't explain why Jimmy knows who he really is, or why he takes it so calmly, but still. Can't be a coincidence.
They did perform "flesh mechanics" on prisoners during their time on Mars, so wouldn't they have tried to create a perfected soldier at some point? Marvin is probably the result of one of these experiments that was left behind on Mars when the Molluscs left to invade Earth. When he was finally found and awakened (presumably by John Carter or one of the Tharks
) he decided to devote his life to finishing what his creators started. But since he was an imperfect specimen with an incomplete brain, he wound up wasting his time with inept attempts to destroy
Earth instead of conquering it.
It makes sense, then, that he'd spend so much time getting into skirmishes with Funny Animals
: in the League
universe, most talking anthropomorphic animals (probably including Bugs Bunny
and company) were the result of Doctor Moreau's
experiments. And who was singlehandedly responsible for the Molluscs' defeat in Volume 2? Doctor Moreau, of course. The poor guy wants vengeance on the "children" of the man that killed his creators.
There must be some way of working Orson Welles
' War of the Worlds
broadcast into the League
universe in some way. Now Charles Foster Kane is going to play a big role in Heart of Ice
, so wouldn't he be the best guy to work it in? Maybe he's a history buff who's fascinated by the Mollusc invasion, and he'll do an "educational" radio broadcast about it that'll make everybody think they've returned. Or maybe he'll intentionally try to convince the world that they're back as part of some Evil Plan
. Spin it any way you want. It could work.
- Maybe, since 1938 was, of course, an election year, he faked a Martian invasion as a false flag operation in order to ensure the reelection of President Buzz Windrip.
- In the newsreel after his death, Kane was briefly shown standing beside Hynkel, so that's certainly plausible in-universe...
- It's more likely that Kane's radio stations tried to warn the US of an actual alien invasion at Grover's Mill, New Jersey, but was brainwashed into doubling back on their report and claiming that it was a radio show. All as a coverup for the arrival of the Red Lectroids
- The Molluscs return with a twisted plot to turn everyone into Scotsmen and win at Winbledon. Kane's announcements are instrumental in saving the world.
"Heart of Ice's" lauded technological adventurers could be...
The Shadow, G-8 and Tom Swift. Prof. Henry Jones Sr.
could be the archaeological adviser.
- Contrariwise, Doc Savage is among the adventurers...the era fits and he'd definitely be among the most famous of the 'technological adventurers.'
The visiting Ugandan monarch could be...
A relative of Allan Quatermain's friend Umslopogaas? Either that or a very, very young Jaffe Joffer.
At some point, Moore will cover anime
And it will be epic
! Japan would likely be technologically advanced, the military would feature giant robots in lieu of tanks, and there will be loads of chicks
Notes on World War II
Some details on the Second World War are already covered in these books, but not much is really said (maybe Moore's saving it for a later novel?).
- Howard Stark worked on the Manhattan Project.
- The European theater of the war ended when, according to official reports, a group of Jewish-American commandoes teamed up with a traitorous SS officer to kill Adenoid Hynkel and the top Nazi Party members in a burning movie theater (there are contradictory reports for why it was on fire, but the official story states it was caused by the explosives two of the commandoes had).
- The Justice Society of America were formed by Doctor Fate at the behest of the Blazing World so that they could subtly influence the course of the war. By directing the supers to punch the hell out of Nazi special agents, they prevented the special agents from tipping the balance of the war.
- Lobster Johnson punched out Gellert Grindlewald.
- A Race of giant lizards from Outer Space, appeared during the middle of the war and invaded. They were most historically known for their invasion of the Domination of Draka.
- A time traveling Nazi nearly won WWII, losing only due to the efforts of Freedom Force.
- The war was also ended with the help of the Cobra Unit.
- The famed adventurer Dr. Clark Savage Jr. was active in quite a few secret missions for the OSS, and served as a mentor, of sorts, to the archaeologist Henry Jones Jr., who was involved in several similar missions. Savage wound up with severe PTSD after one mission went wrong, leading to his retirement after the war.
- Rabbi Loew and the Golem of Prague both actively contributed to resistance efforts in Nazi-occupied Eastern Europe.
- The Battle of the Bulge was won with aide of one, "Steely Phil", who tricked the Nazi soldiers in the area into eating all of his tainted canned meat supplies.
- Among the many, many occult related activities Hynkel and the Nazis were involved with, the plans for an artificial vampire army (AKA Order #666) was created on orders of Hynkel and spearheaded by an unnamed Nazi Major. Two teenagers working for the Hellsing Organization (Walter C. Dornez and a mysterious teenaged girl named "Girlycard") were sent to stop this plan in Warsaw, Poland. "Girlycard" was also sexually involved with the teenaged Queen of England, particularly during the London Blitz.
- Mad Scientist Doctor Barbara Blight tried to sell nuclear bombs to Hynkel (who was in his 'Chinese Doctor' phase at the time) only to be thwarted by officers of the Time Police and both agents of ACME and VILE.
- A U.S. soldier gets killed for fouling up.
Notes on student massacres
Notes on the Future
By 2009, Ms. Peel questioned the existence of the Martian attack, even though this event should be well within the bounds of recorded history and, you know, alien invasions are pretty significant anyway. Clearly MIB is responsible for fabricating the history we all know about.
Who'd honestly put it past Tyler? For all we know, they're the LOEG version of Anonymous.
Every unexplained phenomenon in the series is being hunted by two secret rival organizations.
These two orginizations
are always trying to steal objects from the other in the belief that they are better suited to keep the universe safe from dangerous phenomena and they each believe that the other will only end up using the various dangerous entities and objects for their own gain.
Notes on wars and battles
- U.S. General George Armstrong Custer will always be remember for raping Sitting Bull's daughter against a cactus until he got struck threw the head by an arrow, during the battle of Little Bighorn (or, in certain circles, Battle of Little Bit Horny)
- The United States fought a long, arduous guerilla war with the machine-controlled city-state of Zero One near Q'umar, starting in the 2020s. It was the latest in a long line of conflicts in the region.note
James Bond is meant to be this world's analogue for Ian Fleming
A few characters already have been implied to be stand-ins for their creators (like Norton, and Stardust is called an abusive drunk, just like Fletcher Hanks). And think about it; Fleming worked for a spy agency and became famous for over-sexualized, wish-fulfillment-type action stories, exactly like Jimmy.
Working off of that, Fleming's relative Christopher Lee once played
the quintessential yellow peril character- maybe Dr. No isn't entirely imaginary after all.
Going off of the theories about characters in the League universe being (to some extent) stand-ins for the authors that created them, this would make sense, given the Real Life
friendship between Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
and Harry Houdini
Read Volume III and Heart of Ice and tell me if I'm wrong.
There is a curious pocket dimension of the Blazing World dedicated to slashfic
Things we know about the Blazing World: it's a place where the fantasy becomes reality, it's host to worlds within worlds and everyone is doing everything with everyone else
- even more so than in the Leagueverse proper. So it only makes sense that there are mirror-worlds in which even the people who weren't doin' it are doin' it. And let's not forget the potential for crossovers, in and out of universe - sociopath Jimmy Bond/antichrist Harry Potter anyone? Needless to say, if Orlando ever found this place we'd never see hir again.
Who else held the title of "M" in past and future Leagues?
- The famed archaeologist Professor Marcus Brody was the "M" of an American League that formed after World War II. He faked his death after secretly using the Holy Grail to make himself immortal, and formed a new League based at Barnett College (which also housed a cache of magical artifacts that he amassed from his past travels).
- The German aristocrat Baron Munchausen was the "M" of a League that formed in 18th century Europe. He was also The Man Behind the Man who bankrolled Gulliver's League.
- The Irish business magnate Artemis Fowl, who was known by the cryptic monogram "M.M." as an adult (for Mud Man, an affectionate nickname that an old friend once gave him) formed his own League in the late 21st century, and shortened his traditional monogram to just "M".
- The powerful sorcerer Merlin was the "M" behind Britain's first known League, the Knights of the Round Table. Following Arthur's death, which led to the permanent dissolution of Merlin's League, Merlin's old apprentice Morgana (also known as Morgan le Fay) formed a new League by recruiting the most powerful magic-users in Europe at the time.
- "Hank", strange visitor from the future, master of secret knowledge no other magician can match
- Esther Mikaelson
- The Destroyer, Esther's husband, and the group's hatchetman
- The immortal Vampire elder Marcus Corvinus, the first known Vampire, formed a League composed of the most powerful Vampires, Werewolves, Demons and Dark Necromancers in Medieval Europe. His League, a sort of Evil Counterpart to Morgana's League, became his private force of spies and assassins. They also helped him check the actions of the increasingly powerful Death Dealers, who grew beyond his control when he was forced to share power with Viktor and Amelia.
- The famous Florentine political philosopher Niccolo Machiavelli (a prominent Assassin) formed a League during the Renaissance, using his political connections.
- Angus MacGyver was the leader of a Pan-American League in the late 1980s and early 1990s.
- Forrest Gump, a quasi-adventurer, former astronaut, former shrimping mogul, Veitnam veteran idiot savant.
- Cyber Six, a Brazilian superhuman created by a nazi scientist and her brother, a genetically altered Panther with the brain of a human, Data Nine.
- Doctor Hadji Quest, a former boy adventurer, now renowned scientist with expertise on engineering, biology and magic.
- Robert Muldoon, former Game Warden at John Hammond's Jurassic Park in Costa Rica, an experienced hunter and tracker with knowledge of some of the deadliest predators in the natural world.note
- In the 12th century, a farcical League was founded by Rashid ad-Din Sinan—also known as Al Mualim—the Mentor of the Levantine Assassins, though secretly a Templar—in order to both track down pieces of Lost Technology as well as eliminate his competition among the Templars. The membership of this League was mostly comprised of Assassins from all over the world.
- Altaďr Ibn-La'Ahad, one of the most skilled Assassins of all time and one of Al Mualim's personal proteges
- Robin Hood, an English crusader who fought alongside Richard the Lionheart during the Crusades.
- The philosophical giant Pantagruel, whose father Gargantua had previously served in Machiavelli's League.
- The legendary Chiss military genius Mitth'raw'nuruodo (better known as Grand Admiral Thrawn) formed his own League as a secret personal strike force while serving in the Galactic Imperial Navy, hoping to one day use them to overthrow Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader. He used the monogram "M" to hide his identity from his superiors in the Empire, and his true identity remained unknown until his death.
- The famed Maia sorcerer Mithrandir (better known as Gandalf) oversaw the creation of the first League in recorded history: the Fellowship of the Ring.
- After "The Moonchild" tried to destroy the world in 2009, one of the sole survivors of his rampage went into hiding under a monogrammatic pseudonym and endeavored to protect the Wizarding and Muggle worlds from further such threats with the help of Britain's last few great magic-users. Her name? Minerva McGonagall.
- In the late 1990s and the 2000s decade, a League was formed by Russian Ultranationalist leader Vladimir Makarov to pursue his own goals, and was a major participating force in the Russo-American War (known by some as World War III).
- Wow, could anyone please try to propose the members of the Leagues each of these "M"s oversaw?
He/she has already shortened his/her name and started going by "Lando" in 2009
, right? You can bet your ass that by the time the far future rolls around, he/she is gonna be lounging in a tricked-out penthouse in Cloud City, surrounded by a harem of half-naked Green Skinned Space Babes
. Sure, he/she would have to get permanent blackface sometime before then. But let's be honest: this is an Alan Moore series
. If he wasn't afraid of getting shit for "The Doctor
" and "The Moonchild
", I doubt he'd shy away from putting Orlando in blackface.
- Maybe this could be done without blackface; since Orlando is of Greek origin and has spent a lot of time in sunnier climes, he... she... shkle has probably worked up a pretty dark tan. The real problem is that Star Wars explicitly takes place a long time ago, although, given all the bizarre plot devices that exist in-universe, that may not be such a problem.
Knowing what we know about his/her personality, is it really much of a stretch to picture him/her owning a strip club between tours in the Army? The cast of The Wire
is already a confirmed part of the League
universe (aside from John Munch
and his family, Stringer Bell and Slim Charles appear in a street scene in 2009
, and there's a "Marlon Little" mentioned in "Minions of the Moon" who may be Omar's father). And The Wire
just so happens to include a supporting character who's actually named "Orlando". Coincidence?
Notes on Colleges.
- Since the fifties, modern colleges have gained an infamous reputation for hilariously bizarre hijinks. Hell, one college even started because of this.
- Barnett College in upstate New York, which was once home to a certain archaeology professor named "Jones", is the site of a vast secret cache of mystical artifacts that Jones amassed from his past travels. As such, it's a frequent magnet for the supernatural (not unlike Miskatonic University farther north). The college's dean, Professor Marcus Brody, briefly served as the "M" of an American League during World War II, and used Barnett as a secret base.
- The Sentinel, in Charleston, SC, is one of the most highly regarded military colleges in the United States. Many notable American military officers studied there, including Thaddeus "Thunderbolt" Ross, Buck Turgidson and Benjamin "Hawkeye" Pierce.
- The University of Wallamaloo is the most prestigious college in Australia.
Volume 4 will be spanning the course of three books
It will be taken as another trilogy, with the books being based on 2010, 2011 and 2012. Moore did say say he based 2009 on things that were already have happened and couldn't see too far into the future and maybe he also planned on having a Grand Finale
Building on the post-apocalyptic Theory posted before
A new League is formed by various post-apocalyptic series' protagonists. It happens when Mr. House, with New Vegas under threat from the NCR and Caesar's legion
, finds that a new threat is rising: The unstoppable army of God Emperor Raoh
. Pressed to deal with the problem, House sends the Courier to find the only man capable of defending his city from Raoh: The man with the seven scars. Kenshiro agrees to aid House in stop Raoh and Caesar's legion and on the way, find allies in various other apocalyptic wanderers. They get their name when House refers to them as "Some kind of league. A league of Extraordinary Gentlemen."
Any suggestions for members of the League? So far I've only got Kenshiro as the Leader or the Heart of the team. On the villains side, I imagine a power struggle between Raoh, Caesar and other despotic post apocalyptic warlord types.
As for any inconsistencies in the various series time-lines: 1984 didn't happen in 1948 and Henry Jekyll committed suicide in 1886, but the series ignored those.
Notes on oceanography
There was a League of some sort during the Renaissance
This League was likely a Multinational Team
comprised members from all over Europe and maybe the Middle East as well, and included:
At some point, this League went on an expedition into Hell itself
, joined a conspiracy to depose the Pope
, and traveled to the New World
A Japanese League was started in 11th century
This League was founded by the M
inamoto clan and two of its founding members were Prince Genji
and a samurai who was trained all over the world to fight the evil Aku after his homeland was conquered
. One of the League's benefactors around the year 1600 was a Shogun named Toranaga who decided to become a patron of the Japanese League after meeting an Englishman named John Blackthorne, who was also a member of this era's Japanese League
. In the Victorian/Meiji period, Nemo traveled to Japan
and encountered some members of the Japanese League, including Kenshin Himura
Notes on Anthropomorphic Animals
Humans on Mars
John Carter and Gullivar Jones aren't the only humans on Mars, nor are they the first. In fact, they were preceded by almost twenty years by another
American who was astral-projected to Mars as a result of a mortal wound which prevented him from ever returning to Earth. He wandered Mars for eons, gradually attaining god-like powers and becoming King of Mars. His name was Abraham Lincoln