"There's a 68.71 percent chance you're right."
Ed Dillinger Jr WON'T be a villain in the sequels.Probably a Jerkass anti-hero. It's unlikely he got to be a member of the board thanks to daddy's influence: after all, Ed senior's name should be pretty much mud considering his theft of Flynn's games. Junior probably clawed his way to the top, and it's more likely he despises his father for being a talentless thief.
Tron isn't dead.We did not see him de-rez. Also, Tron has survived multiple "deaths" (the destruction of the solar sailer in TRON, as well as getting knocked off a ledge in Legacy AND his ship exploding), qualifying him for "character with the ability to survive certain death."
Castor/Zuse is Sander Cohen's program.Audiences could just see Castor screaming "Fly away, little moth, fly!" and "Smile! Smile, Quorra!" as he was dancing during the club fight scene.
Castor/Zuse is Excalibur.He's a completely white, noisy, egotistical, pompous Large Ham with a cane. And he dances at the worst moments. Obviously Excalibur is a constant in multiple universes...or something.
If a sequel gets the greenlight, Quorra will become similar to NiaThink about it. Even though she's an intelligent Action Girl of Legacy, she still has a naive, child-like personality, especially when it comes to topics surrounding the real world. So when Quorra starts living with Sam, she would find adapting to the real world to be difficult. She would also probably lack knowledge of regular customs and surprise others in the real world with quirky misunderstandings. Doesn't stop Sam from loving her though, hence why he will probably propose to her sometime during the sequel.
Beck, the protagonist of the upcoming spinoff animated series, is an ISO.Judging from the synopsis found in the website for Disney XD, Beck is a young, impulsive program who wants to save his friends and his home from Clu. This description is very similar to that of the ISOs on The Grid. Moreover, being an ISO would add further urgency to Beck's mission since Uprising will take place sometime before or during The Great Purge.
The coup wasn't entirely a surprise to Kevin FlynnWhen Sam brings up the command history on Kevin's computer, it shows he had recently been editing a file called last_will_and_testament.txt.
Even if Clu had gotten out, his army would not be able to do much and would be beaten back before even taking the city.
Kevin Flynn died long before TRON: Legacy. "Old Flynn" is another avatar program, just like Clu.Flynn created it (I'll call him Good!Clu) with more sensible guidelines (and without the mistakes he made with Clu) after the coup, to help him and Quorra against Clu. An earlier attempt of Clu to get to the Real World was stopped by a Heroic Sacrifice by Flynn which didn't involve merging, since...
Alternately, we're dealing with a Nobody and a Heartless.
Humans and programs can't actually merge.
Dillinger Jr. will be the villain of the sequelBecause you don't just get Cillian Murphy to play the son of the original film's villain and only have him for ONE SCENE! It's gotta be setup. Dillinger Jr and his program vs Sam, Quorra, Tron and maybe Flynn or another program based on Flynn.
Kevin Flynn isn't dead.In the excerpt from Digital Frontier on the Flynn Frontier site, one of the sentences is "the easiest way to fix a problem is by restarting," followed by Flynn's agreement. Clu and the altered Grid had definitely fallen into the definition of "a problem," and chances are likely that Flynn assumed he'd die as a result of neutralizing Clu; however, as the ISOs established, even the Creator doesn't know everything about the Grid. Flynn's User-ness will neutralize Clu, yes, but Flynn himself - as the God of the Grid, and a User - will remain. What follows will be a reboot of the Grid itself, complete with restoring from backup the various programs, including an earlier, pre-Rinzler version of Tron. The ISOs, though, may be gone for good, since as spontaneous programs I'm not sure they'd have backups/"original" templates to restore from.
The ISOs will come back.It's possible that, since the ISOs seemingly appeared out of nothing, that more of them may appear on the Grid at some point. The sequel could possibly even be about Sam and Quorra's efforts to recreate them based on Quorra's own ISO code. The ISOs are one of the most unique parts of the TRON lore and they seem too important to just leave without exploring their possibilities.
CLU has all of Flynn's memories and emotionsIt could be that CLU has all of Flynn's memories up until the point of his creation. As Flynn said in the beginning of the film, he's basically a copy of Flynn created to look after the Grid while he's away and do everything he would have done if he'd been there. This is why he's so keen to murder Sam instead of using him as, say, a hostage, or putting a tracking device on him and letting him "escape" - he does in fact feel some sort of love for Sam and doesn't like it, so he decides to kill him in the games and get all those messy feelings out of the way.
Clu's plan for world domination is just a distractionClu has all of Flynn's memories and understands what it means to be out in the real world. This is supported by the fact that he isn't confused by what he sees when he views Sam's memories and even "expected more", which indicates that Clu himself was able to imagine the real world conditions which would lead to Sam being more accomplished (and even be able to formulate an idea of what is successful in the real world vs. unsuccessful). Clu should have realized that "perfecting" the real world is a nonsensical and stupid idea. Apparently Flynn's vision of perfection within a computer system when he made Clu was homogeneity, but there's no way Flynn's idea of a perfect world was the same, unless he was a secret white supremacist or something (unlikely). Clu may have been perfectly earnest in his attempts to create a perfect system, but by the time he's supposedly plotting to take over the world what Clu really wants is just to escape to the real world all by himself. He got bored of being the boss (and the Grid is pretty dismal when you think of it - always night time, no plants or animals, everything is the same) and now he just wants to go "back" to being a human in the real world (which he would remember being, if he had all of Flynn's memories). In fact, he's stopped thinking of anything in the grid as being "real", which is why he has such a callous disregard for the lives of other programs. He flips out at Kevin's house while looking at his reflection and remembering how he was created because it reminds him that he's not "real" himself. However, he can't go back unless he has Kevin's disk. All the mayhem he was making was to give Kevin the impetus to go somewhere where Clu could steal his disk. He had to give that stupid speech to his stupid brainwashed army so that none of his freer-thinking goons would catch on that Clu was only out for himself. In fact, he wanted Kevin's disk to be stolen back temporarily so that he could get it all by himself without seeming suspicious.
Kevin Flynn and Clu have a symbiotic relationshipThe death of one would cause the death of another, which is why Clu doesn't kill Flynn on the walkway, and they can feel each other's emotions which is why Flynn's resistance only makes Clu's program stronger and why Flynn has taken to meditation and other such activities.
Clu is a split personality of Kevin Flynn, not a program proper.Zen!Kevin is the superego and Clu is the id. The recompilation at the end of the movie didn't kill Flynn; it reconstituted him.
The Light-Jets stall because their programming is derived from/based on flight simulator plane data.Not as character-centric as the other WMGs here so far, but after a heated debate with friends where this was the main complaint, this troper finally thought of an explanation. Light-jets are rather similar to light-cycles, except they fly. Flynn programmed them, if I recall correctly (which I may not as it's been ages since I've seen the original Tron), the light-cycles came from a video game that Flynn made. So, when time came to make light-jets, Flynn just took the appropriate bits from the light-cycles and the appropriate bits from another video game, a flight simulator, to make a base for the programming, then built them from there. After all, if code for something already exists...but this would explain why they stall and behave like actual planes in a world with decidedly different physics: they're still programmed to react to atmosphere and gravity realistically because the planes in the simulator that parts of their data came from were programmed to do that same.
The significance of the name Rinzler is... ?I got nothing. Anybody have any ideas or know of anything? I'm not sure if it's a valid use of the WMG page to solicit guesses, but it's worth a shot.
Kevin's disc was necessary to use the Portal because he had Root privileges.Clu, only having Admin privileges, could not access the Portal, and Sam only has User Privileges.
Sending the carrier through the Portal would have resulted in disaster, assuming it was able to go through at all.The carrier and its occupants would have rematerialized in the basement of Flynn's Arcade, which was not big enough for them to fit. Possibly, they wouldn't have rematerialized at all, either being kicked back or being stuck in limbo. Of course, Clu doesn't know this because he has never seen the other side of the Portal. He is assuming that there's another portal in the middle of nowhere on Earth too.
Scott Pilgrim vs. The World takes place in the TRON universe.Specifically, the movie takes place inside the game based on the books. Ramona is a User, obviously.
Rinzler's real identityHe is obviously
Flynn was planning on taking Sam into the Grid to meet Quorra the next day, before he was trapped there.Flynn tosses a coin to Sam, suggesting the next day they go to the arcade to play a few rounds. Flynn was really going to take Sam through the fake door behind the TRON stand-alone and into the Grid, as he promised to do. But why take Sam when Flynn hadn't invited Alan, his closest confidant? Flynn had been raving to Alan a few days before that something miraculous was happening (the discovery of the ISOs, obviously), but why didn't Flynn take Alan to see? Because the real miracle going on with the ISOs was that they could "create" their own programs outside of Flynn's programming: namely, they could mate and have children. And Quorra was the first child born of the Grid. Flynn had probably calculated that by the next day (due to the time dilation effects) Quorra and Sam would be about the same age...
Flynn was only alive because the computer was shut down.A LOT more time passes on the grid than outside, right? Flynn should have died of old age long before Sam arrived. The solution? Shutting down the system puts the grid and everyone in it into suspended animation. Sam turns the computer back on and the grid resumes as if nothing happened.
Most programs are not intelligent, except for the ISOs.This is something that was at least strongly hinted in the original Tron, but seems weaker in this movie. When a person is digitized, they see things in a way which is made comprehensible to their minds, which includes seeing the programs as people and their actions as people's actions. The programs are not actually intelligent any more than they actually look like people. Another related possibility is that they are shown that way for sake of the audience. It's similar to movies with talking animals. We're not supposed to imagine that animals really are sentient with the full implications of that—it's not slavery to keep chickens or murder to swat bugs, even in A Bug's Life. It's just a way of letting us relate to the characters. Likewise, these are just computer programs.
The Programs are Homunculi, created by digital means, and powered by a spark from their User's soul.There's a great little scene in the first flick where Walter Gibbs (Encom's founder) is chewing out Dillinger, and part of his rant is that "Our spirit remains in every program we create for this system!" Flynn goes down the digital rabbit hole and finds doppelgangers of the people he knows who are oddly similar to them, and yet developed in an entirely different direction. This mixed with Word Of God saying that Programs retain emotional impressions and personality traits from their User...and it looks like what Gibbs said metaphorically is actually quite literal. This is also why Flynn had to sadly admit to his son that "[Clu] is me."
If Quorra re-enters the Grid, she will become something greater than either a User or an ISO.She's been rendered unto a human once she entered the real world. If she were to re-enter the Grid, she'd still be naively brilliant, as ISOs are, but now augmented by the powers of a User.
The essential problem is that Clu doesn't smoke nearly as much pot as Flynn did in the eighties.
Encom is an Expy of Apple.
Zuse and Gem escaped the End of Line club before it exploded.We never actually see them derezz, and by the time the place explodes, Clu and company are already a fair ways away from the place. Zuse also "plays all the angles" and couldn't have possibly dismissed the likelihood that Clu would backstab him for it.
The FLYNN'S arcade sign was a clue that Flynn survivedWhile its been obviously not used since the 80's, it may be symbolic that the S is flickering, Sam is the last FLYNN left...The S struggling to stay on could allude to Flynn equally trying to struggle back to life inside the Grid... so once again, there would be Flynns.
Sam's mother was a programSpecifically one created by Flynn himself. He managed to materialize her in the real world which is why Kevin knew it could be done. It's also possible that Sam himself was conceived in the computer world (an early version of The Grid Kevin was working on) and born in the "real" world.
Alan knew the whole time exactly where Kevin Flynn was.But he didn't know how to get there. It's possible that after his disappearance the publicly-known digitizing laser lab was shut down and its equipment scrapped or re-purposed. Alan didn't know about Kevin's secret lab but knew of his work on The Grid and probably learned of Kevin's original adventures in the Encom 1 Grid after he returned. He may have even helped re-write Tron to help Kevin and be his own avatar on the Grid, the same way Clu was Kevin's. As to why he sent Sam to the arcade rather than going himself, it's because he's simply too old. When he got the page from the arcade, he figured out that Kevin must have had a secret lab hidden away and was trapped on the Grid calling for help. He sent Sam because he had a better chance of not only understanding the equipment, but also getting his father out.
Tron is related to Protoman.exeOr, more specifically The Protomen's interpretation of the digital consciousness of a fallen hero. Power Trio (or a Four Temperment Ensemble if you add Mercury) is just too good not to imagine. However... Think on it: If F-Con did their homework, they might have figured Flynn was onto something after Digital Frontier was published. Even better, Word Of God from Monolith states that F-Con's CEO is Dillinger Sr., who already knew about Master Control's sentience and plans. The Ghost In The Machine comic (written in 2003) also says Flynn mysteriously vanished after a few years back in the analog world. In the game itself, Tron's gone Chekhov M.I.A. — retiring after Master Control's defeat with no one in any system knowing where he vanished to. Better, Alan's slated upgrade to his program was suspended in 1984, on Flynn's orders. In the game, it's never stated why, but if you go with the Legacy canon, it would have been right about the point where the Grid was being constructed. In Tron 2.0's Back Story, Master Control ran the digitizer. When it was destroyed, Encom was forced to rebuild the laser algorithms from scratch. However, Flynn's pattern was likely stored, meaning he was the only one who could get in and out. So, quietly, he appropriates one of the backup lasers (you never have one of an expensive experiment like that) and uses it to experiment on his own. This would also help explain why he didn't tell anyone - without those algorithms, no one could follow him safely. Sometime between Flynn's vanishing act and the events of 2.0, F-Con (Dillinger Sr.) acquired a lot of what should have been proprietary information about the laser. Did Flynn's "in case I vanish" notes and letter get stolen as an act of corporate espionage? Worse, you need to have access to a phone line to contact a pager. So, where did Clu score a modem? There are also the matters of Datawraiths and F-Con personnel (Crown, Popoff, and Baza) who were never retrieved from the system. Top it off with the lock in the arcade basement. The key in the lock was far too shiny to have been sitting there since 1989; someone else had access. Did Clu have some "friends on the other side?" Lora also got Put on a Bus to Washington DC, but we have no idea what happened after that, and she's conspicuously absent in Legacy-verse, aside from an appearance in the ARG. Maybe the accident mentioned in 2.0 happened, but with a less-fatal, (but still damaging), result? And if you did some Canon Welding with the two, it's entirely possible that Alan started putting a lot more time and effort into Roy's "under the table" effort after seeing cyberspace for himself...
A successful TRON franchise will start a Fashion MovementIt will get that distinctive look out there and some people will jump on it.
Edward Dillinger is not the son of Ed Dillinger; he is the son of the MCPThe MCP actually placed a backup of itself in the real world during the events of the original movie. The rules for returning to the real world in the sequel don't seem to apply in the original system (especially since Flynn didn't have his disc at the end, it fell off his back when he got knocked off the bridge of the Solar Sailer). Therefore there's nothing saying that the MCP couldn't have popped into the world at any time he wanted once the digitizing laser was built. This is backed up by the fact that the voice of Dillinger's father in the Flynn Lives segments sounds like the MCP and not Ed Dillinger/Sark. (and yes, I am aware they were both voiced by David Warner)
The Grid has a limited number of models for programsWhen Sam fights a guy in Disk Wars and says "I have a three-inch version of you on my shelf" it's not the same program, just one who looks the same.
1980's Encom was run by Mages
Ed Dillinger Sr has discovered the grid.Chew on this: A lot of people are debating who Ed Jr. is talking to in the bonus feature of the Tron Blu-Ray. He calls him Dad, but the voice sounds identical to the Master Control Program, not to mention it says End Of Line. Well, my theory is that at some point after the first film, Ed Sr. discovered exactly how Flynn exposed him. He found out how to get onto the grid and decided to take advantage of it. Seeing how the MCP almost became powerful enough to take over the Pentagon and the Kremlin, if Dillinger were to discover the grid, this same power would probably be what he would go after, with his main goal to get Encom back (but just like the original MCP, he will probably eventually try to take over more) so this theory says that Dillinger has entered the grid, and stayed there so he could evolve himself into a new MCP, with his son playing the same role that Ed Sr. played to the original Master Control. (My only guess as to why he hasn't taken over the Pentagon yet is that either he doesn't have enough power because he doesn't have as much knowledge of the grid, or he did all this within the last year.)
Sam and Quorra don't really love each other that way.As others have said, the movie portrays their relationship from more of an emotional angle than a physical one (they never even kiss!). There's also a scene where Sam and Quorra talk about how they both like Jules Verne, along with other evidence that Flynn has essentially been raising Quorra to be Sam's Distaff Counterpart. It would be like finding your half-sibling after your father left and started another family. Thus, any relationship between Sam and Quorra beyond a familial one would probably get very squicky, very fast.
Clu made a deal with Rumpelstiltskin somehow to get control of the Grid. And/Or the Grid is affected by the same curse as StorybrookeOnce Upon a Time has been established to be in the same universe, judging from Henry's game of choice being Space Paranoids, and carting around a Tron lunchbox. Jefferson's Hat would be as good as a laser for traveling between worlds. And the timeline of Storybrooke's withdrawal to the "real" world matches up with Clu's creation date. Say Rumpelstiltskin was able to get a hold of the hat and travel there, or maybe send the White Rabbit through in order to set up shop as Zues and make deals on his behalf. In the process, he starts cutting deals. Clu wants out. He wants to make everything "perfect," but everything comes with a price. The price? Flynn's son...Rumple always did have a thing for first born children.
Clu isn't the one who sent the message...Zuse was. When Sam Flynn bled at the hands of Rinzler, Clu was as surprised as everyone else that he bled rather than shed voxels, but "Castor" seemed to know him almost on sight despite his physical appearance being so generic aside from his face.
Clu's intentions with Quorra were NOT to rape her.While, at a first glance, Clu's encounter with Quorra looks like an instance of I Have You Now, My Pretty, paying more attention to the way he acts reveals that it might not be the case. First, he is not caressing her hair, he is picking up a strand of it between his fingers and observing it. Second, when he sees the ISO symbol on her shoulder, he covers it with her sleeve, so that she will show less skin than before. That is not the behavior of a molester. He was probably observing her structure in order to use her code in some way (probably turning her into a mook), and covering the ISO symbol was a way to tell her that soon she would not be any different from a regular program.
Zuse is still aliveHe defines "Sneaky-ass Bastard", and there was way too much time between the last time we saw him (as Clu was leaving) and the explosion of the End of Line Club. If he didn't have an escape route for just such an eventuality, I'll derezz my hat and eat the voxels.
CLU's rectification program only works on weaker programs. Those incompatible with Rectification go into the Games.Why is it, out of the dozen or so programs on the Recognizer, only Sam and "Not the games." are chosen for the games, while every one else is assigned "Rectify"? The guard appears to be analyzing them somehow before making his decision. Perhaps he was scanning them for vulnerabilities? Sam, as a User, wouldn't have any, and perhaps "Not the games." had worked himself up into such a state that his code wouldn't respond properly. After all, they even took the damaged growler next to Sam.
Ed Dillinger Jr will start out as a villain in a sequel.He'll begin the movie working with the MCP/'Dad', but will do a Heel-Face Turn after getting clued in to the identity of the one he's communicating with and just how bad 'the plan' really is. Essentially a combination of the 'Ed Dillinger Jr WON'T be a villain in the sequels' and 'Dillinger Jr will be the villain of the sequel' wild mass guesses above.
CLU wasn't trying to get Sam onto the Grid.The page was sent to Alan Bradley. He was aiming for TRON's creator. Maybe to see if he could create new programs, but probably just as bait, since that's exactly how he used Sam, who was even more effective at it.
Characters from "TRON: Uprising" will appear in the third Tron movie.Maybe in flashbacks so we finally get some resolution to the story; I think we can all agree that Clu taking HIS ENTIRE ARMY to Argon City was an awful way to end the series. Honestly, the series was just too good for it to be thrown away so completely. Heck, I'll even settle for a Freeze-Frame Bonus cameo if that's what it takes.
The Grid from the first movie wasn't literal reality, but provided Flynn with the inspiration for his new one in Legacy.It's very unlikely that the vast majority of programs running on early '80s computers would be complex enough to appear as fully sentient beings, with the MCP being the only exception as it is clearly becoming sentient in the 'real world' too. (This is an anomaly really unless the world of TRON is several decades more advanced technologically than the real world, which the story doesn't really seem to allow for all that much- honestly, only Flynn thought of wi-fi back in '85 yet we have sentient programs and dematerialising laser devices?). It's far more likely that the computer world of the first movie is a dream-rationalisation produced by Flynn's mind interacting with the computer, in which he "sees" the simple programs as if they were real people. But the experience would leave a lasting impression on Flynn, enough for him to recreate it as a means of pursuing his own lines of research on far more advanced hardware several years down the line, possibly specially developed for the task.
The Grid is a very primitive version of The Matrix.Kevin Flynn is the Oracle, Clu is the Architect, and Rinzler is Agent Smith.