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There are two Cagallis.
Just like in Star Wars: The Phantom Menace, there's actually a Cagalli who is Izumi's daughter (and not Kira's sister) that the "original" Cagalli was surgically altered to resemble. After Gundam Seed, Athrun broke up with Kira's sister and started dating the identical appearing but totally different in personality Princess Cagalli. Princess Cagalli confused many outsiders who assumed the scrappy freedom fighter and the Princess were the same person.
The Super Robot Wars version of Destiny is the canon one. The anime was propaganda created by Kira to make him look better.
Due to so many people saying "What the Hell, Hero?" over the course of the Second Bloody Valentine War, and the realization that he had been in the wrong while Shinn had been in the right, Kira commissioned an anime retelling of the war, subjecting Shinn to Flanderization and propelling Kira to godhood.
Mu La Flaga did die at Jachin Due.
Neo Roanoke is another, more successful clone of Al Da Flaga, or of Mu himself, and his memories of being Mu are the result of some kind of previously-repressed psychic Newtype resonance between himself and Mu.
Cosmic Era Newtypes eventually play by After War Gundam X rules.
Next series, Kira will get his hands on a Destroy Freedom Gundam or somesuch with Satellite DRAGOONs, whose Satellite Cannons are tied to a limiter pendant carved from Evidence 01 by Andy and worn by Lacus. Eventually, however, he is brought down by Lowe Gear and his Astray Powered Red Frame Sturmangriff (Jess Rabble is driving the mecha horse). Afterwards, George Glenn's ghost calls forth an armada of space whales to destroy the PLANTs, deciding Coordinators really aren't worth all the Wangst.
The Space Whales evolved from humans.
If Turn A is canon & all Gundam stories take place in the same universe, they may be descendants of a previous generation of Newtypes. If not, they may be time travellers from a future where Coordinators have been altered so heavily they no longer resemble humans.
The plot is so screwed up because everyone in the series is suffering series wide Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
When you think about, Gundam SEED was a non stop real life horror
movie for the in universe people, both villain and good guy, and it didn't get any better at any point for ANYBODY. Even the ending didn't really lift the depressing feeling, and the "Break the World" incident followed by the failed nuclear assault on the PLANTS sure as hell didn't disabuse ANYONE that the horror had ended. Given that everyone is suffering neverending PTSD, it would explain Shinn's neverending Wangst, Durandal's idiotically idealistic "Destiny Plan", Rey's need to relive Creuset's f'ed up life, Logos' insistence on fighting a losing battle, and much of the repeated military idiocy on both sides.
In short, the whole universe of Gundam SEED Destiny is drenched in emo, and thus NO ONE was able to make a decent decision through its entire run.
Cagalli is, in fact, an Innovator who set about to sabotage SEED Destiny so it wouldn't be as hard of a an act to follow for 00
Cagalli's SEED powers are just careful misdirection and relabeling her Innovator skills. After discussing and planning everything out with Ribbons and comapany, she deliberately "picked" up the Idiot Ball as part of her Batman Gambit. From there, it was all a matter of Obfuscating Stupidity to throw everyone off while manipulating everyone off their character rails. Her piloting absence in Z stems from the fact people found out and naturally were furious. She was re-allowed to take part in K since 00 was wrapping up and the Seasonal Rot had made her suffer enough.
Durandal and Shinn is the cynical Dumbledore/Harry mentor kind of relationship taken to its logical conclusion.
No seriously, hear me out. In a Dumbledore/Harry type of relationship the mentor is a protective figure, shielding them from other figures of authority, helping them out of trouble, excusing punishments or lessening them, secretly slipping them information, and looking the other way in regards to rules. They do this because they assure the hero that they are a good, heroic person, who only breaks the rules because he has a just reason and the mentor only trusts him to do this because he is special and trustworthy. Now, if you did this with a normal teenager, what would happen? They'd let the power go their head and become a righteous little bastard, of course. And what sort of person would let any kid, even a good one, get away with so much? Right, a mentor who is only using that kid for their own ends. That's essentially why Shinn derailed at the end of the series. He's had an authoritive older figure that he greatly admires tell him that he is special and incredibly talented, rewards him with super powerful weapons, gets him out of trouble when he committed treason because they 'needed his strength', 'entrusted' with bringing peace and told that his motivations are just. Naturally, Shinn realizes he can get away with anything because he's always right, and everyone who disagrees must be wrong. He never reigns in his anger because he's rewarded for his results in battle. He's essentially kid who's been spoilt silly and then given keys to a super weapon. Durandal, of course, isn't doing this because he thinks Shinn is so wonderful and perfect, but because he's very easy to manipulate. All he needs to do is butter him up, convert him to his side, and sic him on the enemy. He's basically got a dangerous attack dog that will never, ever question him. If Shinn ever died in battle and Dunrandal won, there's no question he'd move to the next young cadet.
Fllay and Lacus were actually the same person and Lacus is Seed Destiny is the Rau. And 'Jesus Yamato' is actually a clone of Kira made by him.
In the beginning there was the Multi-Verse, the original idea of SEED with Fllay as a pilot and a tragic ending where her and Kira truely loved one another and were killed in combat. When the multiverse combined Lacus and Fllay were different enough that they existed as seperate beings instead of combining like other characters, Fllay was afraid she would cease to exist if Lacus came around and when Rau killed her she simply reunited with Lacus. However when Kira killed Rau he used his Newtype powers to place a part of his Psyche into Lacus and slowly take her over.
A few things happen now, Lacus meets a young Meer and transfers the combined Lacus/Fllay persona into her, which is why she believed she was Lacus but still felt fake. Kira who was depressed from Fllays death retreated to an undisclosed location and studied cloning creating a clone of himself, a being who could serve justice and feel emotions but never get emotionally connected to feel the pain he felt. He dubbed the clone 'Jesus' Yamato and sent it into the world to replace him. Meer met Durendal and explained the situation who promised her that he would prevent Rau from carrying out whatever plan he has and helps raise Rey into an opposite of Rau and he takes Shinn as his personal choice for a Champion.
The destiny plan called for Shinn to be mentored by Rey who would then be tragiclly killed in battle causing Shinn to seek to protect the world from anything along side the help of his girlfriend Lunamaria. The problem was with JESUS Yamato now replacing Kira Meer couldn't contact him for the plan and uncontested Rau took over Lacus and pretended to be her.
The assaination attempts were staged poorly by Rau himself to throw suspicion onto Durendal who he felt was a possible threat to him, Durendal getting flustered when Rau took over the television broadcast was because he was a fake Lacus. In truth he DID have the real Lacus Clyne.
At some point Lacus and Fllay body hopped into Cagalli who needed to wait for a time when Rau was weak to put them back into there body and stomp Rau out. The problem was that Durendal had to alter the Destiny Plan to stop Rau from creating a giant war, using the tested and working method from mars he attempted to put the same system in place on Earth but left the option open for any company to refuse it, Scandinavia and Orb refused but Orb chose to react violently as Durendal grew more frustrated with Rau. Hence the final battle of the series and Jesus being a near invincible god. Now a lot of this needs proper placement since I forget events but the end result is that Lacus was Rau, Kira was a clone and Durendal was a tragic good guy.
Durandal has mind control powers
Explains Shinn's actions in the last quarter of the series perfectly, beginning from the scene when he was chasing Athrun. He seems confused and torn about his motivations and actions, stuck between what his best friend and his respected commander is saying. Then, he thinks of what Durandal said, and BAM, mind control kicks in, and all the doubts float away to be replaced with a firm belief that anything that Durandal says= truth, therefore if Durandal says that his plan will end war, then anyone who is against Durandal is against ending war.
Lunamaria and Shinn's relationship
Luna always admired and loved Athrun because of his status, but also admired Shinn for his piloting ability. When she found out Athrun had betrayed them, she was at a loss. How could the man she admired so much have betrayed them? To make matters worse, her sister had also left with him. Their deaths left a huge hole in her heart. Then, she sees Shinn, the man who killed them, apologising to her. She collapses crying onto him, and he holds her, comforting her. This man, who is a great ace like Athrun, is comforting her in ways Athrun never did, even though he is the one that killed her preciosu sister. The next day, she is given his old mobile suit. They talk before going into battle, and Luna comes to the conclusion that Athrun betrayed them, 'tricked' them for all this time. She writes off Meyrins betrayal as Athrun 'tricking' her, giving Luna another reason to hate him. However, this love she has for Athrun won't go away. So she goes to the next best thing, Shinn Asuka, ace pilot, who comforts her and says he'll protect her. Luna convinces herself that she really loves Shinn, and hates Athrun. This allows her to patch up the wounds created by the loss of her crush and her sister.
Shinn had already lost two girls in his life. He's already failed to protect two people he loved. And now, a person he truly trusts had betrayed them, running away. Shinn is torn. He can't match the Athrun that he trusts and admires with the Athrun that just told him the path he is following is wrong. Shinn remembers the people he lost, and goes into a rage. How dare this stuck-up person say that he is wrong? He was trying to stop any of these losses happening again. He followed this path for that reason. Therefore Athrun must be wrong. He must want these tragedies to keep happening. So Shinn goes into a rage, and destroys the suit with Athrun and Meyrin in. Then, he goes back to the ship, and sees Luna. The sister of the girl he killed. He says 'sorry'. What else can he say? He was right, Athrun was wrong, therefore anyone with Athrun must be wrong. Then Luna starts the cry. She clings to him and sobs into his clothes. Suddenly, Shinn remembers. Stellar used to cry like this. Stellar would stop crying when he held her. So Shinn holds onto Luna, to block out the memories of Stellar, so he doesn't have to see the similarities between her and Luna. The next day, Luna seems scared about going into battle. Stellar used to be scared of going into battles. So Shinn tells her that he will protect her, because that's what he'd tell Stellar. Then, Luna hugs him again. Shinn understands. This girl needs his support, like Stellar did. He won't fail this time. And he remembers Stellar's last words, 'I love you'. That must be why he couldn't protect Stellar, because he didn't love her enough. So Shinn kisses Luna. He decides he will love this girl, love and protect her, and therefore stop the pain of the past, and so he will never lose a girl he cares about again.
(This doesn't explain how Shinn/Luna is true love, but it makes sort of sense for how it began. I suppose it could grow from here, like Kira/Flay, or something.)
Luna never loved Athrun at all and was merely keeping tabs on him
Luna was the one who observed Athrun during his meeting with Kira, seeing if he was going to be truly loyal to ZAFT. Any and all attempts to romance him were merely under orders and make sure that Athrun Zala, one of the great ZAFT's heroes-turned-traitors, stayed with them this time. Her interest in Shinn, however, was genuine, and her opening up to him after he apparently killed Athrun stemmed not only from grief of Meyrin's death but also the first chance to ever show him that she did care for him.
Phantom Pain was a testbed for Newtype pilots
The Federation realised how awesome Gilbert Durandal is a Time Lord
He regenerated into Ingram Prisken. They have the same hair.
Logos Does Not Exist
Or at least not in the form that Durandal claims it does. Think about it: Durandal claims that Logos is an Ancient Conspiracy that convinces people who would normally be all about peace and love to go to war with one another and commit rampant slaughter. He claims that Blue Cosmos is just a front for them, and that Djibril is really interested in making money, not killing every Coordinator. He then proceeds to produce a list of politicians (all of whom just happen to be his enemies) who are Logos members.
Seriously, stop and read that over a couple of times. Without Durandal's oratorical ability behind it, that sounds ridiculous doesn't it? Wait, it gets worse. Even if you accept what Durandal says at face value, there are two more huge stumbling blocks to the "Logos as Ancient Conspiracy theory".
1: There are apparently no members inside ZAFT. If you were running an organisation dedicated to convincing people to go to war with one another so that you could sell weapons to both sides, wouldn't it make sense to have people in both camps? After all, it's not like you're hindered by ideology or convictions or anything like that, it's all about the money, right? Yet Logos not only has no members in ZAFT, it apparently has no members in the Earth Forces countries that support Durandal. We aren't told that they've been arrested or anything like that, they just don't seem to be there. Isn't that suspicious?
2: If Blue Cosmos is just a front, than that means that Djibril and Azrael were both faking their hatred of Coordinators. Full stop. That simply isn't possible. Both men were absolutely consumed with hatred for Coordinators. Azrael died leading a nuclear assault on ZAFT, and Djibril is ecstatic when he fires Requiem at Durandal and the colonies. And they aren't stooges or dupes or anything like that, Durandal says flat out that Djibril is the leader of Logos. And another point, connected to this one: there is no profit in the apocalypse. If Logos is out to make money through war it should be setting off dozens of little ones, not trying to support an all out genocide that will result in the deaths of half their clientele. It's not only evil, it's bad business.
When I first watched this show, I assumed that Durandal had invented Logos, and was claiming that all of his political enemies belonged to it in order to get them arrested or killed without making himself hated. Rewatching it, I realised that Djibril does mention the name during one of his early appearances. He never however, says what Logos does. My theory therefore, goes like this: Logos is a global network of hate groups, including Blue Cosmos, and a variety of other anti-Coordinator and racist organisations in other countries. Durandal, found out about this network, and decided to use them to justify his war, but very cleverly, fudged their real purpose. After all, saying that he's after anti-Coordinator groups wouldn't necessarily get him a lot of Natural support. Saying he's after a group that deliberately engineers wars in order to profit from them, on the other hand, will get him the support of every gullible person who isn't a total psychopath. Moreover, it allows him to add people to his list of "Logos" members who aren't affiliated with Blue Cosmos or any of its associates.
Why is this important? Because it let's him start a witch-hunt against any Earth politician—Blue Cosmos member or not—who might be able to rally people against the Destiny Plan. All Durandal has to say is "he's a member of Logos" and the poor sap's career is over. He/she can't even deny it by saying they aren't a Blue Cosmos member or that they have a pro-Coordinator record, because after all, that's not what Durandal's accusing them of. He's accusing them of being rich, and powerful, and in a position to influence the outcome of the war. Durandal can keep adding people to his list (and does: remember when he and Rey told Shinn that both Athrun and Cagalli's Orb had sold out to Logos?) and no one will ever question him, since he's the only one who supposedly has the list of Logos' members. At any other point in time this plan would be ludicrous, but in a climate of fear and uncertainity like the one in Destiny, it can (and almost does) succeed brilliantly. The people of earth are so desperate for peace and an end to the bloodshed that they'll accept everything Durandal says as proof and follow the Chairman into his Brave New World, convinced that they've rid themselves of the evil-doers in their midst when in reality, all they've done is kill the only people who might have kept them independent.
In conclusion, Logos is a sham, a fraud, a fantasy concocted by Durandal in order to give the people of Earth something to turn their hatred against. It allows the Chairman to elminate all his rivals swiftly and efficently, all while continuing to appear to be an accepting Messiah figure.
Lacus is another Ultimate Coordinator
For one thing, it's obvious that she possesses a SEED factor like Kira. For example, when she is contemplating the nature of war in episode 49 of Gundam SEED, you can see that her eyes have dialated, indicating that she has entered 'SEED mode'.
However, the real smoking gun is when you realize that she seems to have the same ESP factor unique to those connected with the Ultimate Coordinator project. When Rau attacked the Eternal during the final battle, Lacus commented on a 'strange feeling', much like Mu and Kira had commented on earlier. Plus, in Destiny, she seems to be able to sense Kira too, and vice versa, such as when the Eternal is under attack by ZAFT and during the final battle when Kira returns from wreaking Rey's machine. Since it's unlikely that she's a clone like Rau and Rey, the only other option is that she is, like Kira, an Ulimate Coordinator, or at least an imperfect one like Canard.
There are two kinds of Coordinators
On the one hand you have the combatants, graced with enhanced reaction times, resistance to G forces, ect. Like Shinn, Athrun and the majority in existance. On the other you have the leaders, like Lacus and Durandal, graced with manipulative ability and frightning charisma. The two kinds exist to do diffrent jobs, hence diffrent genetic predispositions. the Destany Plan is essentally built off that concept. So what is Kira? 'The Ultimate Coordinator' Ultimate as in Final. A Coordinator with both combat and leadership potental, explaining how he can both win mobile suit battles and sway people. Worse, the combination of reaction time and ability to read bodylanguage (which can to a point be translated to mobile suits) has a synergistic effect. He seems to react to people impossibly fast because he is reading their cues faster, and then reacting faster on top of that.
Rau le Creuset engineered the entire Bloody Valentine War
There were a couple coincidences that went into making the war play out the way it did. None of them so egregious that they're obviously suspicious, but they do form a noticeable pattern, and as a high-ranking ZAFT commander in contact with the other side, Rau would have been able to make them happen. He seems to have a particular style. He masks his true objective behind a larger tragedy.
Lacus Dust = Predecessor to GN Particles?
Neo Died When He Intercepted the Tannhauser
Durandal might have lost the war, but he still won the argument when it comes to the Destiny Plan.
Gilbert Durandal is Mitsuo Fukuda!
Forget about Kira and Lacus as author avatars. Such claims seem biased as the fandumb wishes to storm on the series even more. Gilbert Durandal makes a lot of sense as an author avatar. All his thoughts are based on the First Bloody Valentine War. He had a mate named Rau Le Creuset who wished to kill them all (sounds like somebody famous in Sunrise?) but Durandal is against such massacre. He instead wishes to gain people's approval so he gets a Lacus Clyne impersonator, Meer Campbell. He also wishes an ace pilot so he gets Shinn Asuka whose Destiny Gundam was originally going to be Kira's second suit in SEED but was ditched.
Durandal confesses when presenting Destiny and Legend that he originally wanted Kira on their side to become ZAFT's ace. Furthermore, his former lover, Thalia Gladys works alongside him in the same way the writer Chiaki is Fukuda's wife. Thalia often doubts Durandal's actions and plan which leads her to turn against him in the finale. Since the two die, there have been no sequels. On a sidenote, Durandal edited the video of the Battle of Berlin to make people think that Shinn defeated Stella's mobile armor and thus, make him the hero or protagonist. Didn't Fukuda trick us with that in Destinys beginning?
The TV series' ending was the director checking if we are as naive or temperamental as Shinn Asuka.
The series' finale resulted in a lot criticism that added that Gilbert Durandal was a hero and that Kira and his friends were wrong in attacking him. Durandal managed to get everybody's attention by editing tapes and making motivational speeches containing several lies. This is how Shinn Asuka was made into one of his subordinates who lost his mind in the final battle in the same way as the viewers. He never learned of the truth and his last scene was him crying alongside Lunamaria in their defeat. The fandumb acted the same way and started misusing Word of God stating that Durandal was a good guy. Looks like a lot of viewers can be really as naive as Shinn. This could mean that while Durandal represents director Mitsuo Fukuda Shinn represents the viewers.
Then the OV As and the series' compilations films were released and what chamges happened? We got further proof that Durandal was behind several murder attempts and that he schemed to kill Kira Yamato. The Astray series went through the same road. Shinn also got a better ending as he is able to find an answer to what he can do with his life. Did this change the opinion from most of the viewers? ...oh boy, we are worse than Shinn.
Kira Yamato prefers violent chicks.
Lets see Kira's love interests. His first love was Flay who was so racist she manipulated Kira into killing other Coordinators. Kira didn't mind because he loves her. Then we have Lacus who is actually a pacifist and Kira starts living with her after she participates in the war.
Okay that wasn't violent but the SEED Destiny Character Theatre selfparody takes it to an extreme. During a ZAFT mission whose objective was ruining Kira and Lacus' relationship, Shinn Asuka crossdresses as Lacus in a concert to make Kira be disgusted. In the concert Shinn destroys the entire scenario, murders Orb captains (again...) and puts the whole area in fire. Once the real Lacus appears and Shinn dies consumed by his own fire, Kira confronts Lacus... he is delighted exclaiming she "has never been better as tonight" so he gives her flowers in congratulations.
The same could be said about Kira's friends. Athrun Zala? A long story of battles. Shinn Asuka? "I am the one who will defeat you, right now!!" You get the idea.
The couples in Destiny are a reflection of Fukuda and Morosawa's marriage.
Think about it for a moment:
Rau Le Creuset didn't orchestrate the war instead he became the Gundam equivalent of Deadpool .
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