Gavroche is female.
The lack of capable female characters in Les Mis has bugged me for some time, so I propose we insert one. It's plausible that Hugo wouldn't catch on to the proper gender of an outspoken prepubescent, or would ignore it if he did know, since in the world of Les Mis all small girls are supposed to play with dolls as children so that they can stay home and take care of children when they get married.
- *SNERK* Ahem, the above troper may be interested in this: This troper's father, a longtime fan of the musical, insists that the cast is tight, in a pinch a petite young woman is recruited to play Gavroche. This troper doesn't buy it, partially because seeing a very tall boy as Gavroche already breaks suspension of disbelief on that account. However, it is stated in the books that Madame Thénardier lavishes all her love on her girl children and hates her boys for no real reason, just 'cause. (For the Evulz.) Unless Madame doesn't fancy tomboys, or unless there was very bad lighting in the Thénardier's inn...
- The above troper's father was correct. This troper was a cast member in her high school production of Les Mis and both casts used small girls as Gavroche (we were lucky to get enough boys to cover the all male parts like the students, bishop, guards, and leads). But yes, in the book it was pretty clear that Madame Thénardier didn't like her sons at all and it was apparent that her dislike of Gavroche began at infancy (when Cosette is a child at the inn, the book describes Gavroche crying from his cradle and no one going to check him), so the tomboy factor wouldn't even matter.
- Professional productions also have female Gavroches if all the normal boy actors are unavailable. It can take some time to realise that the person singing is actually female if you aren't right up against the stage.
- That said, I actually like this theory.
- This troper does too. But in a pinch, if we really needed girls, I'd do the proper Self Insert thing and make one of the Amis a girl. Probably Jean Prouvaire.
- Speaking from the standpoint of a girl who has played Gavroche and read the book, I believe that he's a he. I got the role because the other boy's voices were too low and I can play male. It really all depends on who you can choose from.
- It's mentioned that the Thenardiers mistreat their male children. Why would "she" give up a life of ease to be a street urchin?
Jean Valjean is Napoleon
He was born in 1769. His "prison" sentence begins in 1796, the same year Napoleon commands his first army. He is released from "prison" in 1815 right after Waterloo. While a body double is sent to St.Helena, Napoleon meets up with one of the Bishops he appointed who helps him assume a new identity. Napoleon's secret double agents allow him to gain a fortune quickly and become Mayor.
Javert goes mad after falsely accusing Mayor Madeleine and imagines the rest of Les Mis
Jean Valjean is just a petty criminal. He assumes the false name Champ and is arrested for stealing apples. HE dies while trying to save a prisoner fallen from the galley ship. Javert falsely accuses Mayor Madeline of being Valjean due to superficial similarities. The arrest of the real Valjean, and his treason against an authority figure drive Javert mad with guilt. HE imagines Valjean/Madeleine into a demigod that he wrongly pursues. His suicide is the result of Mayor Madeleine forgiving him for his betrayal, which he imagines as an epic battle. Javert transfers out of M- and continues to pursue his imaginary Jean Valjean even after his death. After a random revolutionary spares his life, Javert imagines that Valjean/Madeleine has spared him again.
On My Own is being sung to Cosette.
Éponine usually imagines Marius when she's alone, but since she knows she'll be seeing Marius soon, she imagines admitting her love for him to Cosette. She reassures Cosette that she knows it's "only in [her] mind" and "only on [her] own". She really was in love with Marius and not just an idealized version of him, but couldn't admit it to him or Cosette without upsetting them.
Take a look at the trailer
is going to be about Cosette and Valjean's first meeting in the woods
; there are a couple of shots of young!Cosette in the woods and Valjean meeting her, talking to her, and walking her out. If I recall correctly, this happened in the book but not any stage productions. Putting two and two together, it wouldn't surprise me if they decided to put that in. Also, it would be absolutely adorable
- Jossed, sort of. It happens on the ride back from the woods.
The film will switch the order of the songs "I Dreamed A Dream" and "Lovely Ladies".
In the trailer, Fantine is singing "I Dreamed a Dream" with shorn hair and dressed a little on the trampy side. Usually, she sings this number before "Lovely Ladies", but they will be reversed for the film. "The Lovely Ladies" number will be performed at least mostly intact since the prostitutes in the trailer look more like they're performing a musical number than randomly prowling the streets for Johns.
- If this happens it will make an already tear-jerkery song all the more tragic...
Javert's first name is Valentine or something similar.
It would give a nice symmetry to his hunt for Valjean (Jean Valjean - Valentine Javert), and also explain why his first name is never brought up in a book which spends so much time on small, seemingly unimportant details. Presumably the 'real'
Javert never used it and did his utmost to cover it up out of embarrassment.
Valjean and Wolverine are related.
Not a direct descendant, of course, seeing as how Valjean's only child was adopted. In the film of the musical, Valjean is shown visiting a grave just after his release from prison. If both his sister and nephew were dead, there would be two graves. In the nineteen years Valjean was in prison, his sister died and the nephew got a job as a cabin boy on a ship bound for Canada. Eventually, he settled in Canada and made a new life for himself, eventually becoming the ancestor of James Logan, AKA Wolverine. Incidentally, Valjean himself was a mutant which would explain his super strength.
- Valjean has no idea what happened to his sister's family except that, four years after being locked up, his sister and her youngest child (she has seven) were in Paris by themselves.
Valjean and Conan are related.
Valjean possesses superhuman strength and uncanny climbing abilities, both traits associated with Cimmerians. Also, Conan was king of Aquilonia, which was located in roughly the same geographic location as France. Valjean's ancestors could be the result of one of King Conan's many conquests.
Eponine would have ended up like Fantine, had she survived the barricades.
This arises from the musical similarity between "Fantine's Death" and "On My Own."
This troper didn't realize that the two songs were essentially the same melodic line until she looked at the sheet music for both. Musicals tend to reuse melodic lines, but Boublil and Schoenberg have already proven that they like reusing melodies to show similarities between characters ("What Have I Done?" and "Javert's Suicide," anyone?). "Fantine's Death" being the same melody as "On My Own"
subtly hints that Eponine
would have had a similar story to Fantine if she hadn't given her life for Marius.
- This troper thought the similarity wasn't necessarily due to similar storylines but that both of them gave away everything for love. Which kind of explains why she appeared with Fantine at the "Epilogue" - both of them were thanking Valjean for saving the ones they loved the most (Marius and Cosette).
- OP here. That might also be part of it, but I think it also adds another layer to the story if Eponine and Fantine have similar stories, connected primarily by Cosette. "Fantine's Death" and "On My Own" are both about Cosette in a way. It's pretty obvious in "Fantine's Death," but "On My Own" is performed after Eponine delivers Marius's letter to Valjean, signifying that she's 'giving Marius up' to Cosette in a way.
Les Miserables is already Adaptation Overdosed
and gender flips
aren't unheard of in adaptations of works, so why not?
Marius was fated by God to die with the others at the barricade, but Valjean traded his life for his own.
I always thought it was a bit odd how, at the very end, Valjean dies from...seemingly nothing. He was a bit old at that point, but he didn't seem sick or feeble at all. Plus, it's a little too dramatically convenient how he dies as soon as Marius and Cosette get married, so they get to make the big rush and get to him just in the nick of time. My thought is that Marius was meant to die just like the rest of the barricade boys, but Valjean's prayer in "Bring Him Home" legitimately changed God's mind. So, the Lord spared Marius and kept Valjean alive just long enough to get Marius home and see him married, then took Valjean's life in place of Marius'.
- In the Polish translation of "Bring Him Home" it seems so even more. One line is something like "If you have to take, take me".
- Javert has trouble identifying him, only recognizing him for his strength, and fingering another person as Prisoner 24601. And Marius, according to an explanation on this very wiki, knows that Valjean was at the barricade but "as time passes he has a difficult time believing that it was actually Valjean and not just some random guy who looked like him."
The page mentioned in the line "On this page, I write my last confession" contains the entirety of the book version of Les Miserables.
- Valjean just has really small handwriting.
- The page mentioned in the song could be the last page of the Brick before Valjean dies, and the parts after his death are written in by Marius/Cosette. This is now part of my headcanon.
Javert's first name is Inspector.
Gavroche said his name
was Inspector Javert.
- Gavroche is also a little kid with little to no education, so he might not understand the difference between a title like "Inspector" and someone's name. Though that would be pretty funny.
The Thénardiers put human meat in the sausages.
Would you really put it past them?
- And since Monsieur Thenardier moved to America, Azelma taught her children this practice, and Azelma's descendants are the bosses from The Jungle.
- AND Mme. Thénardier in the 2012 movie and Mrs. Lovett from Sweeney Todd (the cannibalism musical) are played by the same actress (Helena Bonham Carter). If you ever time travel to 1800s, don't eat any meat in Europe...
Who else would be so fixated over a loaf of bread?
Eponine can't sing
The book says alcohol wrecked her voice. What the audience hears in the play is what Eponine thinks she sounds like.