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Hence why the are not among the 4 masters of the elements in the Mars Lighthouse and partly why [[spoiler:All of the ones you fight possese the ability to turn into dragons]]. They could also be Dragons proper, merely taking human's form (perhaps they have been forced to, ala [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia Archaneia]]'s dragons).
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Hence why the are not among the 4 masters of the elements in the Mars Lighthouse and partly why [[spoiler:All of the ones you fight possese the ability to turn into dragons]]. They could also be Dragons proper, merely taking human's form (perhaps they have been forced to, ala [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia [[Franchise/FireEmblem Archaneia]]'s dragons).
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** Which leaves us with [[strike:YaoiGuys]] bachelors Piers and Felix.
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** Which leaves us with [[strike:YaoiGuys]] bachelors Piers and Felix.
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* Crown is [[VideoGame/{{Touhou}} the strongest, and also a genius]]. Look at him/her, s/he's got the hair, the [[AnIcePerson elemental affinity]], and the triangle-patterned clothing...
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* Crown is [[VideoGame/{{Touhou}} [[Franchise/TouhouProject the strongest, and also a genius]]. Look at him/her, s/he's got the hair, the [[AnIcePerson elemental affinity]], and the triangle-patterned clothing...
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*** It's not a dress, [[Disney/TheEmperorsNewGroove it's a robe]].
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*** It's not a dress, [[Disney/TheEmperorsNewGroove [[WesternAnimation/TheEmperorsNewGroove it's a robe]].
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This has already been speculated above, but let's analyze it a bit more. Karis has purple eyes, and Ivan is the only other character with that eye color. Karis's hair color is green, a mixture of blue and yellow. Ivan has blonde hair and Mia has blue hair (though you could argue [[YouFailBiologyForever that genetics don't work that way]], but this is a fantasy world where alchemy exists, so...). Karis has a little cape-thingy like Ivan, and she wears mostly white like Mia. Plus, she's a wind adept, so evidence strongly points to her at least being Ivan's daughter. To keep up with new (allegedly truthful) information given to us, this would make her Rief's sister since Ivan has been confirmed to be her father and Mia is Rief's mother.
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This has already been speculated above, but let's analyze it a bit more. Karis has purple eyes, and Ivan is the only other character with that eye color. Karis's hair color is green, a mixture of blue and yellow. Ivan has blonde hair and Mia has blue hair (though you could argue [[YouFailBiologyForever [[ArtisticLicenseBiology that genetics don't work that way]], but this is a fantasy world where alchemy exists, so...). Karis has a little cape-thingy like Ivan, and she wears mostly white like Mia. Plus, she's a wind adept, so evidence strongly points to her at least being Ivan's daughter. To keep up with new (allegedly truthful) information given to us, this would make her Rief's sister since Ivan has been confirmed to be her father and Mia is Rief's mother.
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* Felix: ''Banished'' from Vale due to breaking their laws involving Sol Sanctum. Before they wise up and revise those laws, he's gone. He's currently hermiting it up somewhere in the woods and chases kids off his front lawn with Earthquake spells and shaking a big stick at them. Matthew's party will run into him during the course of the adventure and he will rip their shit up in a HopelessBossFight, but then he'll realize he's dealing with his friends' children and that they have to deal with Alex in some fashion and [[TheMentor takes them in to train them]]. He will get a CrowningMomentOfAwesome by completely beating the crap out the current villain when they attack our new heroes.
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* Felix: ''Banished'' from Vale due to breaking their laws involving Sol Sanctum. Before they wise up and revise those laws, he's gone. He's currently hermiting it up somewhere in the woods and chases kids off his front lawn with Earthquake spells and shaking a big stick at them. Matthew's party will run into him during the course of the adventure and he will rip their shit up in a HopelessBossFight, but then he'll realize he's dealing with his friends' children and that they have to deal with Alex in some fashion and [[TheMentor takes them in to train them]]. He will get a CrowningMomentOfAwesome SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome by completely beating the crap out the current villain when they attack our new heroes.
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[[WMG: The ShiningForce and VideoGame/GoldenSun universes are one and the same]]
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[[WMG: The ShiningForce VideoGame/ShiningForce and VideoGame/GoldenSun universes are one and the same]]
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Hence why the are not among the 4 masters of the elements in the Mars Lighthouse and partly why [[spoiler:All of the ones you fight possese the ability to turn into dragons]]. They could also be Dragons proper, merely taking human's form (perhaps they have been forced to, ala [[FireEmblemAkaneia Archaneia]]'s dragons).
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Hence why the are not among the 4 masters of the elements in the Mars Lighthouse and partly why [[spoiler:All of the ones you fight possese the ability to turn into dragons]]. They could also be Dragons proper, merely taking human's form (perhaps they have been forced to, ala [[FireEmblemAkaneia [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia Archaneia]]'s dragons).
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* Felix: ''Banished'' from Vale due to breaking their laws involving Sol Sanctum. Before they wise up and revise those laws, he's gone. He's currently hermiting it up somewhere in the woods and chases kids off his front lawn with Earthquake spells and shaking a big stick at them. Matthew's party will run into him during the course of the adventure and he will rip their shit up in a HopelessBossFight, but then he'll realize he's dealing with his friends' children and that they have to deal with Alex in some fashion and [[TheObiWan takes them in to train them]]. He will get a CrowningMomentOfAwesome by completely beating the crap out the current villain when they attack our new heroes.
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* Felix: ''Banished'' from Vale due to breaking their laws involving Sol Sanctum. Before they wise up and revise those laws, he's gone. He's currently hermiting it up somewhere in the woods and chases kids off his front lawn with Earthquake spells and shaking a big stick at them. Matthew's party will run into him during the course of the adventure and he will rip their shit up in a HopelessBossFight, but then he'll realize he's dealing with his friends' children and that they have to deal with Alex in some fashion and [[TheObiWan [[TheMentor takes them in to train them]]. He will get a CrowningMomentOfAwesome by completely beating the crap out the current villain when they attack our new heroes.
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[[WMG:Donpappa, Dodonpa's son, will be in the fourth game.]]
After all, if the fourth game will revolve more around in-land Angara, including Kalay, Mt. Aleph, and Tolbi, who's to say Lunpa won't be brought up again?
After all, if the fourth game will revolve more around in-land Angara, including Kalay, Mt. Aleph, and Tolbi, who's to say Lunpa won't be brought up again?
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[[WMG:Piers is named for Creator/PiersAnthony.]]
In his ''Literature/ApprenticeAdept'' series, one of the two worlds is basically ruled by powerful mages called Adepts, much like this world presumably was in TheTimeOfMyths when Piers was growing up.
In his ''Literature/ApprenticeAdept'' series, one of the two worlds is basically ruled by powerful mages called Adepts, much like this world presumably was in TheTimeOfMyths when Piers was growing up.
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* Gaia got absolutely wrecked and had to be put on the divine equivalent of life support via alchemy. When said alchemy got sealed away, things got absolutely horrific as she started fading, such as the whole Gaia Falls problem and later the psynergy vortexes in Dark Dawn as she requires more energy after the massive defect followed by a resurgence which alerted her to the presence of that required energy.
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* Gaia got absolutely wrecked (resulting in the aforementioned geological weirdness) and had to be put on the divine equivalent of life support via alchemy. When said alchemy got sealed away, things got absolutely horrific as she started fading, such as the whole Gaia Falls problem and later the psynergy vortexes in Dark Dawn as she requires more energy after the massive defect followed by a resurgence which alerted her to the presence of that required energy.
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* Gaia got absolutely wrecked and had to be put on the divine equivalent of life support via alchemy. When said alchemy got sealed away, things got absolutely horrific as she started fading, such as the whole Gaia Falls problem and later the psynergy vortexes in Dark Dawn as she requires more energy after the massive defect followed by a resurgence.
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* Gaia got absolutely wrecked and had to be put on the divine equivalent of life support via alchemy. When said alchemy got sealed away, things got absolutely horrific as she started fading, such as the whole Gaia Falls problem and later the psynergy vortexes in Dark Dawn as she requires more energy after the massive defect followed by a resurgence.resurgence which alerted her to the presence of that required energy.
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[[WMG: Golden Sun is an alternate Earth ravaged by a war of the mostly greco-roman gods that released a lot of magic and messed with the continents, as well as jamming the existing landmasses over a gigantic plateau.]]
The gods got pissed for whatever reason and shot each other with super-awesome divine superweapons and this kind of broke things. The wonky mythology is a result of neighboring pantheons edging in and survivors having to deal with the fallout from so much weirdness. Some of the likely results and tidbits are as follows (feel free to add):
* Gaia got absolutely wrecked and had to be put on the divine equivalent of life support via alchemy. When said alchemy got sealed away, things got absolutely horrific as she started fading, such as the whole Gaia Falls problem and later the psynergy vortexes in Dark Dawn as she requires more energy after the massive defect followed by a resurgence.
* Atalanta and a few other figures became low-ranking and summonable gods to deal with problems as they cropped up.
* The fates and furies and minor/other-pantheon deities like Iris and Cybele and other ancillary or auxiliary deity or deity-like entities became much more prominent as they replaced dead/incapacitated deific functions.
* The aforementioned massive magic release and life support alchemy put so much magic into the world that jenei and Adepts in general began to crop up from being filled with it.
* Monster races spawned as the various monsters created by or before the war kept growing out of control.
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*** [[spoiler: Arguably it's subverted, Alex does appear, but he's not the main villain and he doesn't hijack the plot. In fact, he actually helps you fight the Tuaparang at the end of the game (for his own benefit)]].
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[[WMG: Alex, Karst, and Agatio spend most of TLA hiding on Piers' boat]]
Specifically, from the point where Felix's group first met Karst in Madra, up until Jupiter Lighthouse. They found the ship first, but couldn't use it, as they didn't have the Black Crystal. Karst overheard Felix's group talking about the boat, and she told Alex and Agatio about it. Once Piers opened the door on the ship, Alex and company followed them inside and hid somewhere while they exterminated the jellyfish things. Once the ship was moving again, they just decided to hang there in the lower levels of the ship while Felix did all the work. However, they got fed up with waiting while Felix went on side-quests, and emerged at Champa to try to get Felix to hurry things up. Then, they sneaked back on the ship before Felix's group made it back. After all the business at Jupiter Lighthouse, they just stole Isaac's ship.
Specifically, from the point where Felix's group first met Karst in Madra, up until Jupiter Lighthouse. They found the ship first, but couldn't use it, as they didn't have the Black Crystal. Karst overheard Felix's group talking about the boat, and she told Alex and Agatio about it. Once Piers opened the door on the ship, Alex and company followed them inside and hid somewhere while they exterminated the jellyfish things. Once the ship was moving again, they just decided to hang there in the lower levels of the ship while Felix did all the work. However, they got fed up with waiting while Felix went on side-quests, and emerged at Champa to try to get Felix to hurry things up. Then, they sneaked back on the ship before Felix's group made it back. After all the business at Jupiter Lighthouse, they just stole Isaac's ship.
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** Alternatively, [[spoiler:the Tuaparang]] waited for alchemy's return, and like suggested above, are planning on reshaping Weyard in their own image.
** Hmm... dunno about them being the BigBad, but if they have their records from the old days then they should have noticed Weyard's decline, having a bird's eye view of the continents eroding.
*** Which could mean that Sheba was [[XanatosRoulette deliberately placed on Weyard to catalyze or assist the return of Alchemy.]] Which she ultimately did.
** Hmm... dunno about them being the BigBad, but if they have their records from the old days then they should have noticed Weyard's decline, having a bird's eye view of the continents eroding.
*** Which could mean that Sheba was [[XanatosRoulette deliberately placed on Weyard to catalyze or assist the return of Alchemy.]] Which she ultimately did.
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** Alternatively, [[spoiler:the Tuaparang]] waited for alchemy's return, and like suggested above, are planning on reshaping Weyard in their own image.
** Hmm... dunno about them being the BigBad, but ifimage. If they have their records from the old days then they should have noticed Weyard's decline, having a bird's eye view of the continents eroding.
*** Which could meaneroding. Thus, this means that Sheba was [[XanatosRoulette [[GambitRoulette deliberately placed on Weyard to catalyze or to assist the return of Alchemy.]] Which she ultimately did.
** Hmm... dunno about them being the BigBad, but if
*** Which could mean
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[[WMG: [[spoiler: Isaac]] must die ]]
When The Wise One [[spoiler: sabotaged the Mars Star in the beginning of the first game]] it gave [[spoiler: the main character some of the ultimate power so that Alex couldn't get ahold of it even if his plan succeeded. Since it did,]] the obvious conclusion would be to eliminate the second vessel, thus gaining the full effect.
When The Wise One [[spoiler: sabotaged the Mars Star in the beginning of the first game]] it gave [[spoiler: the main character some of the ultimate power so that Alex couldn't get ahold of it even if his plan succeeded. Since it did,]] the obvious conclusion would be to eliminate the second vessel, thus gaining the full effect.
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[[WMG: [[spoiler: Isaac]] Isaac must die ]]
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When The Wise One [[spoiler: sabotaged the Mars Star in the beginning of the first game]] it gave [[spoiler: the main character some of the ultimate power so that Alex couldn't get ahold of it even if his plan succeeded. Since it did,]] the obvious conclusion would be for [[spoiler: Alex/Arcanus]] to eliminate the second vessel, thus gaining the full effect.
When The Wise One [[spoiler: sabotaged the Mars Star in the beginning of the first game]] it gave [[spoiler: the main character some of the ultimate power so that Alex couldn't get ahold of it even if his plan succeeded. Since it did,]] the obvious conclusion would be for [[spoiler: Alex/Arcanus]] to eliminate the second vessel, thus gaining the full effect.
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[[WMG: [[spoiler: Alex's]] next grand master plan after Dark Dawn is simply to kill [[spoiler: Isaac.]] ]]
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[[WMG: [[spoiler: Alex's]] next grand master plan after Dark Dawn is simply to kill [[spoiler: Isaac.]]]]
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[[WMG: [[spoiler: Alex's]] next grand master plan after Dark Dawn is simply to kill [[spoiler: Isaac.]]]]]] ]]
