The Beyond Suit and Bruce's training is at least in part a tribute to Dick Grayson (as Nightwing).
Don't know if this has been noticed, but check the design of the suit. Very similar to the Nightwing outfit. It's been shown that Bruce and Dick never reconciled, and its understandable if Bruce considers that a failure and is trying to make up for it by training Terry. Terry himself shares a lot with Dick (and other teen superheroes) with his attitude and sense of humor (we are shown that he's fundamentally different from Bruce in that he likes to talk
)), except he's still fairly dark and serious (like Nightwing, compared to Robin). It can't be definitively known if Bruce's training would have had any effect on this, but its not too much of a stretch to think that Bruce acknowledge's some of Dicks better points (he is kind of a young Ace
in the DCU) and try to instill those into Terry.
- He also played by the JL's rules, tried for teamwork, and won their trust in decent time. Bruce was generally a bit more reticent. Of course, Terry's backing down in the end does show that he has some of Batman's loner nature, but it's not defining him like it did with Bruce.
- If it is because of Nightwing, it has nothing to do with Terry. The suit Terry steals at the beginning of the series is the one Bruce was wearing when he retired. It must have resizing technology to fit snugly on Terry's slighter frame.
Nightwing was horribly injured.
That's why he quit.
- Barbara's line seems to suggest that he's still operating though. Otherwise she would have told Terry to "Look up a guy called Dick Grayson."
- No, she didn't want to assume that Terry knew Nightwing = Dick Grayson. It's bad form to just give out a secret identity, and he didn't know that she was Batgirl until she walked into the Batcave.
- Except their initial conversation where Barbara told Terry about why she quit being Batgirl started with "So you and Dick Grayson..."
- That still doesn't make any sense, why would she tell him to look up someone who's not operating under that name anymore? Dick's as good at covering his tracks as Bruce and if he doesn't want to be found he won't. And she told him about Tim pretty easily.
- Go back and watch Return of the Joker again and pay particular attention to just before the flashback starts. Barbara straight up tells Terry that Nightwing is Dick Grayson when she mentions he'd left for another city.
- Confirmed. The new comic (2010) shows what happened to Dick. The Joker, with a tommy gun. That's what happens when you jump in front of a maniac with automatic weapons three times a day. He still survived (although barely) and retired as a vigilante after his recovery.
- Related to the comic book thing above, so Dick was shot before Tim was captured and tortured? So the Joker took both Robins out of the game? It'd be a Retcon in either case. Barbara's narration in ROTJ only says that Dick had left Gotham to establish himself in another city, not that the Joker had already nearly killed him, too. Considering that the context of the conversation was Terry wanting to know why the Joker was such a blight over the Batfamily and who he should be looking into to figure out his identity, it would have been incredibly remiss of Barbara not to go into that story, too.
- Come now, everyone knows that the Joker is the only one allowed to harm a Bat and let is stick. Not even Darkseid can break that rule. It had to have been the Joker.
- Besides, Dick wouldn't have come up. Barbara was uncomfortable talking about his near death. They had been close. But the severity of the injuries combined with it not being the impetus for Joker hatred meant it was relatively unimportant. The Joker shot up Dick. These things happen. Birds fly, fish swim, The Joker shoots machine guns at people. But he crossed the damn line with Tim. Anyone who's ever been psychologically tortured will tell you it's WAY better to catch a bullet then to get brainwashed and abused. Plus, Dick was basically an adult. Tim Drake was a kid. Batman has a thing about victimized kids.
Nightwing is still operating.
Why would Barbara tell Terry to go looking for someone who doesn't exist anymore? Dick simply changed his costume to keep up with the times, and Bruce just put the old one on display because he likes to keep things. It's not like Nightwing was identified solely
with Batman; he's a fairly well known and respected superhero in his own right, and in the mainstream comics he's pretty much considered the linchpin that holds the whole damn mess together. There isn't a single superhero that wouldn't answer his call or bow to his experience, and yes, that includes Superman and
- Jossed if the latest comic book is taken into account.
- Less-so in Batman Beyond 2.0. Clearly Bruce got his wish to get Dick back into the field... but whatever happened in the one year Time Skip, it seems Dick's replaced Bruce as Terry's Mission Control for some unknown reason.
The chair was evil
Aquagirl is Arthur Jr.'s daughter
The Aquaman seen in the picture in "The Call" has his old look, rather than the new one he got fortysomething years earlier. Also, he had a son back then
. Do you really think he would have two kids with an age difference of a few decades?
Obviously, the Aquaman seen in "The Call" was the new
Aquaman, aka the old one's son, Arthur Jr, aka the guy whose dad cut his own hand off when the evil uncle nearly had him killed. Retcons
apply to animated adaptations of comic books, too.
- Jossed. Paul Dini specifically stated she was the daughter of Aquaman and Mera. Unless you're implying something Oedipal occurred, I think you're gonna have to chalk this one up to Atlantean lifespans.
- When was this Jossed? If it was sometime during the Justice League run I'd understand. But if it was mentioned during the actual air time of BB I'd chalk that up to not having that stuff fully planned ahead.
Bruce has a liver disease
His eyes look jaundiced. That generally means liver disease (such as Hepatitis, liver failure, etc.).
- They pulled something similar when they redesigned Commissioner Gordon in the earlier series. Bruce does have obvious heart problems that could contribute to that.
- Also, doesn't Bruce sport "liver spots" on his hands?
- Confirmed in the new comic series, Bruce is hospitalized for liver failure and receives a liver transplant that saves his life.
Mad Stan was originally part of The System.
More specifically, he was the Chief of the Army
. After being fired by the Vice President for nearly starting a war with Mars, he became disillusioned with the establishment and its incompetent leaders and made them
his new enemy. This is the only thing that changed about him.
Terry's younger brother will be Robin
It's bound to happen sooner or later. He will be inspired by his older brother, Terry, to the point that he might end up wanting to be a superhero himself and assist him.
- Executive Meddling actually tried this at one point (except making Matt Kid Batman instead of Robin). Thankfully, it didn't work out.
- Kid Batman would have sucked, but Matt as Robin could have been awesome.
- Matt LOOKS like Robin. Grow him about a foot and give him a costume, he's Tim Drake. Minus the dead da... Well, he doesn't have the hyperactivi...oh. Shit. I think he might be Tim Drake. Oh well. Could have been Jason Todd. THAT would suck.
- This troper accepts this as his personal canon. And it happened some time between the series and "Epilogue". He could very well take on the name "Red Robin".
- Word Of God says Matt is also genetically Bruce's son, and the current run of Batman comics definitely depict a genetic aptitude toward being a Robin.
Max will be either Robin or Oracle
She already helps out sometimes with the research part, which makes her fit the Oracle role. On the other hand, if she ever gets a strength-enhancing suit like Terry she could conceivably become Robin.
- Or Batgirl.
- I was praying for this when I first watched Batman Beyond. Although, for some reason it seems like she would be sexier in the Robin style costume...
- No I do not want to analyze what that says about me.
- I always had Max pegged as Batwoman (she explicitly says she doesn't want to be Robin), Melanie as Batgirl (in keeping with the DCAU tradition of romantic attraction between Batman and Batgirl), and Matt as Robin.
- Confirmed in the comic. She takes over Undercloud, a hacker collective under the impression that they're fighting the establishment, and with Bruce's blessing, establishes a network much like Oracle's to help Terry (Bruce even references Oracle short of actually naming her).
Superman knows the truth about Terry being Bruce's biological son
- At the end of "The Call Part 2", Clark invites Terry to join the Justice League full-time, and mentions that Bruce had technically only been a part-timer. Terry replies "I guess we have something in common then," as he walks away. Superman quietly remarks "More than you know, son. More than you know."
Now obviously, he could have just meant that Terry had something in common with Bruce in terms of personality, but it's certainly possible that Superman was aware of Terry's true parentage. This is a guy who can see DNA after all.
Consider the fact that in the JLU episode "Epilogue", Bruce had apparently known the truth about Project Batman Beyond for quite some time by that point. It's possible that Superman also found out about Project Batman Beyond at some point but kept quiet about it out of respect for both Terry and Bruce.
Look at the technology in the DCAU.
Inspired by the above WMG and a never-written fanfic by this troper, look at the facts. The only two people in the DCAU that Harley has sparks with are Pamela
After working as the Joker's henchgirl for so many years, it's obvious she wasn't going to be able to ever have a normal relationship. Perhaps she just so happened to run into Jack on a blind date or in his alternate persona, Creeper still recognized her scent. She decides that a guy whose similar enough to her last beau without all the abusive qualities is a pretty nice deal and they eventually get married. Thus, it also explains the Dee-Dees offbeat personalities, since some of those toxins and chemicals probably messed up the DNA down the line.
Tim Drake is the father of Harley's grandchildren.
Started off from the thing developed in On Leathery Wings
that turned an unfortunate scientist into a bat like creature. It has been refined to work for any animal.
- ...isn't that just canon? or at least heavily implied canon?
The new BatSuit was made for or by Batwoman
Am I the only one who noticed that the bat symbol for Batwoman and Terry are the same? Both share a similar color theme, mostly black with a few splashes of red.
- At least part of the technology for the new suit is from the suits of the Batwomen in Batman: Mystery of the Batwoman so it is possible that Bruce took some inspiration from the design as well.
Who is Curare?
Well, let's take a gander. Best assassin in the League of Assassins, female, never see her face - could she be an alternate universe Cassandra Cain?
- Here's a good one: Curare is Blade from Terry's high school. They have the same voice actress (Melissa Disney), and the girl's name is Blade, which is Curare's trademark weapon. Therefore, Curare is Blade wearing blue skin-paint and apparently an ugly facial mask under her veil.
Ghoul is, in some way, related to Jonathan Crane, the Scarecrow.
Take a look at him. He's pretty lanky and he clearly modelled his costume after him.
- He could maybe be his son, following in his footsteps.
- He may have some relations to Penguin. Since his voice actor mimics Christopher Walken's voice. An early script revealed that Max Shreck was Penguin's older brother.
- Ghoul and Terminal were both voiced by Michael Rosenbaum (not that that means much in the DCAU), they both had vaguely skeletal Joker paint, both spoke in monotones. Maybe Carter decided to make himself scarier after juvie and adopted the appearance of Scarecrow, who would have been well known to Jokerz members as one of their idol's contemporaries. In one of the tie-in comics it mentions that for a time he was imitating Two Face, so maybe he went through villain "phases".
They both hate super-powered humans and costumed vigilantes. Norman could be Eiling's (illegitimate) son. Or even his nephew who respects him and joins the army in his honor.
Bonk is Bane's grandson.
This is just speculation but I'm just wondering how he was able to match the Batsuit's strength...personally I think it's because Bane was his grandfather.
Grandma Harley is not Harley Quinn.
They just happen to have the same name.
- Jossed. Word Of God says Nana Harley is indeed Harley Quinn.
Bruce (of the main timeline unabused by Chronos) did
remember traveling into the future by the time Batman Beyond
And more importantly, he remembered meeting Terry McGinnis and learning he would take up his mantle as Batman. When the two finally met when they were chronologically supposed to, Bruce decided to wait and see how events unfolded. And then Terry stole his batsuit to go avenge his father. In all honestly, he really was going to let Terry get his way and take care of business in the end. He just wanted to make sure Terry learned his lesson about not running off with old Bruce's things behind his back
- He and John retained their memories of the time travel incident afterward, though Diana did not (presumably because she died). If John could remember his son from the future (he mentions Warhawk to Hawkgirl in a later JLU episode) then surely Bruce should also.
The metal is stored in liquid form in the Batsuit until the wearer performs a specific hand motion, then the metal comes out of the wrist in a pre-programmed form. It can even change color to red and black.
pointed this out!
Barbara Gordon becomes Oracle.
After she retires from her job as police commissioner, she becomes Oracle.
- If she was, she'd have shown up in Epilogue. Safe to say that Bruce is the only one that ever does mission control in the Batcave,
Tamara is related to Ace
(Ace the girl, not Bruce's dog.)
They are visually similar. Both have black hair, spooky eyes, psychic powers of illusion, and are both pretty powerful. Ace is obviously more powerful, but she went through the Training from Hell
with Cadmus, who experimented on her to enhance her power.
Tamara couldn't be a direct descendant since Ace died young
, but (depending on whether Ace's parents ever recovered from their catatonia and had more children) she could be a niece or a cousin.
The T's were originally founded by Mister Terrific
Their face... thingies look really similar to the T-Mask. My theory is that Mister Terrific, getting old, realised he couldn't carry on as a vigilante (just like Batman), but decided to recruit a bunch of people who could. This might have worked for a bit, but eventually, Mister Terrific died, and the gang went off the rails. This is the source of their rivalry with the Jokerz - it began as genuine crimefighting but degenerated into pettiness.
This may also be part of the reason Bruce was so leery to let Terry on as Batman.
Before 2.0, Bruce stopped mentoring because Terry got hit by some form of Joker toxin
Going by the info from Issue #2, Ghoul
apparently scored with a modified strain of Joker toxin
that affected Terry so badly that it damaged his private life and almost killed him via cardiac arrest, if the hints with the mayor are anything to go by
. Bruce, having had enough of anything Joker
-related harming the people in his life or condoning them putting themselves in harm's way, decided to bow out of crimefighting for good.
Terry wanted to keep being Batman and couldn't be stopped from it, so Bruce let him take the suit. Dick took him in.
- Supported by the behaviour of those close to Terry: Dick wants Terry to talk about it and looks like he's been trying to get Terry to ease off for quite some time, but Terry won't have any of that and throws himself into work; Dana also wants to talk about it and shows great concern for him even though Terry broke up with her (and it's implied their break-up was a very hasty response to whatever had happened); Terry's conversation with his mother on the phone appeared muted and strained, as if she was calling to check up on him. On Bruce's end it's supported by his insistence that Clark leave him alone as soon as Clark brings up Bruce and Terry's severed ties, going as far to say to never bother him with the fact that Clark's powers are going haywire again, indicating that Bruce would much rather just not bother with anything related to detective work anymore, yet he can't help but check up on Terry and hope that he's doing okay.