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**** The movie isn't actually *that* faithful and clearly misses the point of several scenes, it seems actually quite likely [=McDuffie=] didn't consult them, or at least not knowing it doesn't indicate whether it was or wasn't the intent. For instance, the whole point of Luthor having a bat in the opening scene, per Morrison, is that there *isn't* an apparent connection between it and what the bomb is doing (to indicate how his mind operates on whole another level), yet the movie has the bomb grab a big stick to hit things with. Most Morrison's "scholars" would argue writers, even respected ones, not understanding the subtext of their work is actually a very common occurence.
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** Except that ''ComicBook/WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow'' was not canonical, it was an imaginary story and stated as such. The last "canon" Pre-Crisis story was DC Comics Presents #97.

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** Except that ''ComicBook/WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow'' was not canonical, it was an imaginary story and stated as such. The last "canon" Pre-Crisis story was DC ''DC Comics Presents Presents'' #97.




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*** Point taken.
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* ASBAR takes place in the same universe as ''The Dark Knight Returns'' where Superman is shown to be alive and well. ''All-Star Superman'', meanwhile, ends with Superman going to fix the sun. And since this Superman appears in DC One Million as the Supes that had been fixing the sun until the 853rd century he can't ''also'' go on to become a tool of the Government only two or three decades after this story.
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[[WMG: Leo Quintum is Leopold from the future.]]
They both redhead, Leopold wearing Superman suit and Quintum is a fan of Supes, and his hame is ''Leo''pold. So, he evolved to the human form at some point (maybe even with Luthor's help) and then travelled back in time.
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* In Issue 12, Superman's last words to Luthor are "You could have saved the world YEARS ago if your tried, Lex". Leo's dialogue later includes the line, "A world without Superman...THERE'S a challenge to human ingenuity". Superman has challenged him to be better, having seen how good he COULD be through Superman's eyes. That's also why Superman gave him the super-powers formula; knowing that Leo is Lex, he knew not only that Leo had already known what it was like to take the formula, but had also not attempted to make some more of it since returning to the present.

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* In Issue 12, Superman's last words to Luthor are "You could have saved the world YEARS ago if your you tried, Lex". Leo's dialogue later includes the line, "A world without Superman... THERE'S a challenge to human ingenuity". Superman has challenged him to be better, having seen how good he COULD be through Superman's eyes. That's also why Superman gave him the super-powers formula; knowing that Leo is Lex, he knew not only that Leo had already known what it was like to take the formula, but had also not attempted to make some more of it since returning to the present.

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** Another subtle, textual clue is the names themselves: Lex vs Leo. The obvious hint is they only differ by one letter, but the subtle, important hint are the letters in question: x vs o. Traditionally, x is short for 'wrong' and o is short for 'right'. It's not hard to see a repentent Luthor changing his name in this way, with this simple symbolism.
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[[WMG: [[AllStarSuperman All-Star Superman]] and [[AllStarBatmanAndRobin All-Star Batman and Robin]] are set in the same universe.]]

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Specifically, ''ASS'' follows ''ASBAR''. Superman is actually fairly new to the superhero scene. Because he doesn't to cause unnecessary problems, Superman defers to the aggressive and confident Batman. But as we all know, this Batman is kind of crazy. When Batman's series ends, Superman decides that Batman's ways are dangerous, unnecessarily violent, and just plain nuts. Superman also realizes that if he's going to make a difference, he needs to have more confidence about his {{LawfulGood}} philosophy, and in Jonathan and Martha Kent's teachings. With this brave, bold new outlook, Superman leaves Batman behind to lead by example, inspiring geniuses like Quintum, making friends like Jimmy Olsen and Lois Lane, and changing the entire world for the better. Which, of course ultimately leads to the events of ''All-Star Superman.''

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Specifically, ''ASS'' follows ''ASBAR''. Superman is actually fairly new to the superhero scene. Because he doesn't to cause unnecessary problems, he's inexperienced, Superman defers to the aggressive and confident Batman. But as we all know, this Batman is kind of crazy. When Batman's series ends, Superman decides that Batman's ways are dangerous, unnecessarily violent, and just plain nuts. Superman also realizes that if he's going to make a difference, he needs to have more confidence about his {{LawfulGood}} philosophy, and in Jonathan and Martha Kent's teachings. With this brave, bold new outlook, Superman leaves Batman behind to lead by example, inspiring geniuses like Quintum, making friends like Jimmy Olsen and Lois Lane, and changing the entire world for the better. Which, of course ultimately leads to the events of ''All-Star Superman.''
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* As for the movie, there's no reason that it isn't just an alternate continuity. [=McDuffie=] might not have known Leo Quintum was implied to be Luthor, and so he changed the ending from Kal-El giving the Superman 2 formula to Quintum to Luthor doing it. It could just because in that version Luthor is NOT Leo Quintum. Who knows?
** Considering that [=McDuffie=] and Morrison are both long-time DC writers, and that Morrison is one of the biggest names working for DC at the moment, and that the movie was ''very'' faithful to the comic, it would seem rather unlikely that [=McDuffie=] wouldn't have consulted Morrison while writing the script, or at least sent the script to him for his approval. So yeah, it might be an alternative continuity, but if Morrison meant Quintum to be Luthor, I'm sure [=McDuffie=] would have known about it. In my opinion the movie actually gives Luthor a better ending than the comic, because now we get to ''see'' his HeelFaceTurn instead of theorizing there ''might've'' been one, based on a few esoteric clues. Being oblique is not necessarily the best way to tell this story.

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* ** As for the movie, there's no reason that it isn't just an alternate continuity. [=McDuffie=] might not have known Leo Quintum was implied to be Luthor, and so he changed the ending from Kal-El giving the Superman 2 formula to Quintum to Luthor doing it. It could just because in that version Luthor is NOT Leo Quintum. Who knows?
** *** Considering that [=McDuffie=] and Morrison are both long-time DC writers, and that Morrison is one of the biggest names working for DC at the moment, and that the movie was ''very'' faithful to the comic, it would seem rather unlikely that [=McDuffie=] wouldn't have consulted Morrison while writing the script, or at least sent the script to him for his approval. So yeah, it might be an alternative continuity, but if Morrison meant Quintum to be Luthor, I'm sure [=McDuffie=] would have known about it. In my opinion the movie actually gives Luthor a better ending than the comic, because now we get to ''see'' his HeelFaceTurn instead of theorizing there ''might've'' been one, based on a few esoteric clues. Being oblique is not necessarily the best way to tell this story.
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* Perhaps it's not Luthor, but Luthor's subconscious that created this plan? On one hand, Luthor's a genius; on the other, he's a raging egomaniac. He ''could'' figure out that Clark is Superman, but he's too arrogant to actually consider the possibility- he's also too arrogant to admit that he was ''actually fooled'' by the disguise. But because Lex is so smart, his brain still devises plots based on this information, even as it shields him from the truth.
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[[WMG: [[AllStarSuperman All-Star Superman]] and [[AllStarBatmanAndRobin All-Star Batman and Robin]] are set in the same universe.]]
Specifically, ''ASS'' follows ''ASBAR''. Superman is actually fairly new to the superhero scene. Because he doesn't to cause unnecessary problems, Superman defers to the aggressive and confident Batman. But as we all know, this Batman is kind of crazy. When Batman's series ends, Superman decides that Batman's ways are dangerous, unnecessarily violent, and just plain nuts. Superman also realizes that if he's going to make a difference, he needs to have more confidence about his {{LawfulGood}} philosophy, and in Jonathan and Martha Kent's teachings. With this brave, bold new outlook, Superman leaves Batman behind to lead by example, inspiring geniuses like Quintum, making friends like Jimmy Olsen and Lois Lane, and changing the entire world for the better. Which, of course ultimately leads to the events of ''All-Star Superman.''

And that's why Batman never shows up in ''All-Star Superman''.
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* If that would be the case, it would contradict ''WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow'', the canonical last story of the Superman of that continuity. For example, the way Lois Lane finds out about Superman's secret identity is different in the two stories.
** Except that ''WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow'' was not canonical, it was an imaginary story and stated as such. The last "canon" Pre-Crisis story was DC Comics Presents #97.

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* If that would be the case, it would contradict ''WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow'', ''ComicBook/WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow'', the canonical last story of the Superman of that continuity. For example, the way Lois Lane finds out about Superman's secret identity is different in the two stories.
** Except that ''WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow'' ''ComicBook/WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow'' was not canonical, it was an imaginary story and stated as such. The last "canon" Pre-Crisis story was DC Comics Presents #97.
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[[WMG: Doomsday didn't overwhelm Jimmy's nervous system partly because they're psychologically incompatible.]]
Doomsday was all survival instinct; his only emotions were fear and rage. That flies in the face of Jimmy's character -- he's affectionate, loyal, and trusting -- and specifically his attitude towards Superman. With Jimmy being cued by the signal watch (a symbol of their relationship) and motivated by a desire to save his friend, Doomsday couldn't get a foothold.
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** Nevertheless, there are many things in All-Star Superman that don't support it taking place in the continuity suggested above. For example, the staff of the Daily Planet includes Cat Grant, a post-Crisis character. Leo Quintum is a world-renowned scientist and a friend to Superman, yet he is never mentioned before this story, which would be rather odd if this story was in regular continuity. The version of Parasite in All-Star Superman doesn't look like the pre-Crisis Parasite, he has the more monstrous look of his post-Crisis counterpart. The pre-Crisis Bizarro was a clone created by Luthor, and Bizarros eventually settle on the planet "Htrae", but here Bizarros originate in the "Underverse". And so on...

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** Nevertheless, there are many things in All-Star Superman that don't support it taking place in the continuity suggested above. For example, the staff of the Daily Planet includes Cat Grant, a post-Crisis character. Leo Quintum is a world-renowned scientist and a friend to Superman, yet he is never mentioned before this story, which would be rather odd if this story was in regular continuity. The version of Parasite in All-Star Superman doesn't look like the pre-Crisis Parasite, he has the more monstrous look of his post-Crisis counterpart. The pre-Crisis Bizarro was a clone created by Luthor, and Bizarros eventually settle settled on the planet "Htrae", but here Bizarros originate in the "Underverse". And so on...
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** Nevertheless, there are many things in All-Star Superman that don't support it taking place in the continuity suggested above. For example, the staff of the Daily Planet includes Cat Grant, a post-Crisis character. Leo Quintum is a world-renowned scientist and a friend to Superman, yet he is never mentioned before this story, which would be rather odd if this story was in regular continuity. The version of Parasite in All-Star Superman doesn't look like the pre-Crisis Parasite, he has the more monstrous look of his post-Crisis counterpart. The pre-Crisis Bizarro was a clone created by Luthor, but here Bizarros come from the Underverse. And so on...

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** Nevertheless, there are many things in All-Star Superman that don't support it taking place in the continuity suggested above. For example, the staff of the Daily Planet includes Cat Grant, a post-Crisis character. Leo Quintum is a world-renowned scientist and a friend to Superman, yet he is never mentioned before this story, which would be rather odd if this story was in regular continuity. The version of Parasite in All-Star Superman doesn't look like the pre-Crisis Parasite, he has the more monstrous look of his post-Crisis counterpart. The pre-Crisis Bizarro was a clone created by Luthor, and Bizarros eventually settle on the planet "Htrae", but here Bizarros come from originate in the Underverse."Underverse". And so on...

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** Except that ''WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow''was not canonical, it was an imaginary story and stated as such. The last "canon" Pre-Crisis story was DC Comics Presents #97.

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** Except that ''WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow''was ''WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow'' was not canonical, it was an imaginary story and stated as such. The last "canon" Pre-Crisis story was DC Comics Presents #97. #97.
** Nevertheless, there are many things in All-Star Superman that don't support it taking place in the continuity suggested above. For example, the staff of the Daily Planet includes Cat Grant, a post-Crisis character. Leo Quintum is a world-renowned scientist and a friend to Superman, yet he is never mentioned before this story, which would be rather odd if this story was in regular continuity. The version of Parasite in All-Star Superman doesn't look like the pre-Crisis Parasite, he has the more monstrous look of his post-Crisis counterpart. The pre-Crisis Bizarro was a clone created by Luthor, but here Bizarros come from the Underverse. And so on...
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** "Quint" denotes the number five. Lex Luthor's inmate number is shown to be 221. 2, 2 and 1 have a sum of 5(a [[IncrediblyLamePun "Quint-sum"]], if you wanna stretch). Associating a set of numbers - or any symbol, label or name - with a character is ''not'' the kind of opportunity Grant Morrison tends overlook.

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** "Quint" denotes the number five. Lex Luthor's inmate number is shown to be 221. 2, 2 and 1 have a sum of 5(a [[IncrediblyLamePun "Quint-sum"]], "Quint-sum", if you wanna stretch). Associating a set of numbers - or any symbol, label or name - with a character is ''not'' the kind of opportunity Grant Morrison tends overlook.
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** Except that ''WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow''was not canonical, it was an imaginary story and stated as such. The last "canon" Pre-Crisis story was DC Comics Presents #97.
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* If that would be the case, it would contradict ''WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow'', the canonical last story of the Superman of that continuity. For example, the way Lois Lane finds out about Superman's secret identity is different in the two stories.
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[[WMG: Leo Quintum is [[{{Watchmen}} Adrian Veidt]] ]]

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[[WMG: Leo Quintum is [[{{Watchmen}} Adrian Veidt]]
After staying in his own universe long enough to make sure his awful plan was successful, he hopped universes and adopted a less classical, more whimsical persona to try to amend for what he'd had to do back home by working hard to save a different world through more constructive means.
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* In some continuities, Luthor figures out that Kent is Superman pretty quickly... and then dismisses the idea, because Luthor, in his arrogance, could not conceive that a man as powerful as Superman would pretend to be a clumsy, oafish nobody like Kent. Part of why he thinks this way, is because if Luthor had power like that, he would spend all of his time either using it, or rubbing it in peoples faces, and as Luthor assumes that his response to a given situation is the most logical one, combined with the fact that he can't ignore that Supes is very intelligent, means he assumes Superman should have the same reaction.
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**** Not working out would eventually make your muscles diminish, but it wouldn't change your basic body structure. For example, Luthor clearly has broader shoulders than Quintum, and those aren't just gonna disappear even if he isn't working out anymore.
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[[WMG: ''All-Star Superman'' takes place in the post-Crisis, pre-''[[ComicBook/TheManOfSteel Man of Steel]]'' continuity.]]

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[[WMG: ''All-Star Superman'' takes place in the post-Crisis, post-''Crisis on Infinite Earths'' #10, pre-''[[ComicBook/TheManOfSteel Man of Steel]]'' continuity.]]

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