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In spite of the Titans being the heroes, audiences often found themselves unable to sympathize with them due to their actions.


  • Dick is constantly blaming Bruce/Batman for his own excessive violence against his foes, and, if Trigon's nightmare world is anything to go by, seems to have internally demonized his adoptive father into someone who would go and brutally kill the entire Gotham rogues gallery after just one particularly bad day. The first few episodes of Season 2 do not help matters, as Bruce confirms he let Dick be Robin in hopes of helping him find a way to cope with his emotions surrounding his parents and their murders and we still don't get to actually see Bruce in action, and therefor still don't get to see how apparently brutal he's become. So it comes off more like Dick, an able bodied and minded adult who is actively deciding to continue being a brutal vigilante despite his claims of wanting to quit, is instead blaming Bruce for his own decisions and actions instead of taking responsibility himself. Pushing the matter even further is that his fellow former Titan, Donna, is in a very similar boat to him, but is living a relatively normal and successful life while also being a vigilante and also not resorting to the excessive violence that Dick does.
    • However, "Barbara Gordon", the premiere of Season 3, shows that Dick's resentment toward Bruce wasn't completely unfounded. Although, given this is three seasons in people having this reaction to Dick is more than understandable, as the show took a long time to show characterization in Bruce that would justify Dick's feelings of hostility.
  • Throughout season 1, Dick attempts to abandon the group on multiple occasions. The worst example being his attempt to leave Rachel with Hank and Dawn, not only being inconsiderate to their life plans and the fact that they may very well not be able to take care of a child they barely know for a number of social and economic reasons (least of all being her difficult to control powers), but also actively triggering Rachel's abandonment issues. Hank calls Dick out on this, but he's treated as being in the wrong for pointing out how shitty it was of Dick to attempt to do this to the three of them.
  • Rachel's behavior towards Gar is winning her little favor within the fandom. He's one of her biggest supporters, having left the Doom Patrol (his surrogate family) to travel with her, Kory, and Dick in order to support her. Along the way he's not only protected her by mauling one of the Asylum's staff to death in episode 7, an act that clearly left him traumatized, but also managed to break Trigon's hold on her after being nearly beaten to death in the season 2 premiere. Despite all this, she's extremely inconsiderate of his feelings and emotional well being, and repeatedly lashes out at him despite him never being anything other than helpful to her.
    • This gets particularly bad in season 2 episode 5, where she acts extremely self-righteous. She gets confrontational and yells at him for "keeping secrets" from her and how he and Jason should have let her come because her powers are "more effective" than his. Then she yells at him some more when he points out she's being a complete Hypocrite given the fact that she's actively trying to hide the fact that her powers are getting out of control despite the fact that she nearly killed Jason due to what amounts as a super powered temper tantrum. Not helping is that later in that very episode she would have killed Rose if not for the other girl's Healing Factor (thus making her claims that her powers are somehow "better" than his invalid). The fact that she actively blames him for Jason's kidnapping despite Gar already having a blatant Guilt Complex over the whole ordeal, and more or less says to his face that he's useless, certainly isn't making her very easy for the audience to cheer for this season.
  • Dawn, Hank, Rachel, and Donna get hit with this hard in the seventh episode of season 2. During this episode they find things relating to their personal lives messed with; Dawn finds the picture of the deceased boy she and Hank had befriended out in the open (she kept it in her dresser), Raven's room gets graffitied with crucifixes, Hank finds a bottle of booze in his room, and Donna finds the same brand of bottle soda that Garth gave her on her bed. It's a clear attempt to mess with their heads and we're supposedly meant to sympathize with them. However, who do they decide is the most likely person to have done all this? Jason, the kid who just got back from being tortured by Slade and nearly falling to his death. The four of them immediately jump up his ass with accusations all while having absolutely zero proof that he did any of this. It also requires a certain level of Insane Troll Logic on their part when you realize there was no way for Jason to know about Hank's former alcoholism or the sentimental value of a soda bottle. Not helping matters is the fact that Jason is clearly suffering from PTSD throughout the episode and their verbal assault on him ends up leading to him nearly committing suicide. By the end of it the four of them do not come out looking OK.
    • For more context, Rachel storms into his room screaming at him and flinging around accusations while he's in the middle of having an episode all while barely restraining her powers (the thing that nearly killed him in a prior episode) and shoving him around. She then chases him out into the eating area and continues to throw accusations his way in front of the adults, again, without any proof. You'd expect at least the more mild-mannered Donna and Dawn to act like adults in this situation and try to to actually figure out what's going on... Instead, they jump on the blame game alongside Rachel and Hank in a matter of seconds and with very little prompting. Jason would have very likely committed suicide because of the four of them had it not been for Dick's timely arrival.
  • As mentioned in the Alternative Character Interpretation page, Dawn in general is this for many a viewer due to the show treating her as if she's a case of Women Are Wiser and having her act as a Morality Pet to both Hank and Dick. For many, these traits come off as Character Shilling due to how toxic of a person she comes off as.
  • Aside from everything mentioned above, there's also Dawn, Donna, Hank, and Slade; all blaming Dick for Jericho's death, despite all of them being responsible for the lead up to that situation at varying extents. Dawn and Slade come off as particularly bad, since Dawn was the one to encourage Dick to "be Batman" (behavior that's previously established to have been very bad for Dick's mental health), and Slade being a Professional Killer who actively engaged Dick, thus putting Jericho in danger, instead of just using his many skills to run off, and being the one to land the killing blow on his own son in the ensuing fight. There's also The Reveal that the other Titans blamed Dick for it when they thought Dick had simply arrived to the scene too late and that Deathstroke killed Jericho prior to Dick's arrival. They then proceed to split up the team again once they learned the full truth, still blaming Dick for everything and not taking up any responsibility. It comes off as a major case of the four of them pulling a Never My Fault and using Dick as The Scapegoat. Even Rachel, who hasn't been so sympathetic recently, nonchalantly calls Donna out on this.
  • When Season 3 starts, Jason Todd ends up being killed by the Joker thanks to his own reckless bravado—and both Starfire and Barbara diss him for being so stupid. While they are obviously having a hard time mourning, and indeed Barbara does show a greater concern for Jason's death when she calls Bruce out for not showing it, Jason was clearly having a very hard time adjusting to the experiences he had been put through in Season 2 by his "friends", and, while he's far from sympathetic in that regard, tried to get help, only for Bruce to inadvertently drive him into the Scarecrow's manipulative cycle of revenge. Thus, this comes off as Last Disrespects, especially in Starfire's case, as, instead of helping Gar and Connor (who were close with Jason) to grieve, tells them not to do what he did—and she didn't exactly help him out much in Season 2 either.
  • The show in Season 3 plays up Blackfire's plight a lot setting up her history as The Un Favourite despite acknowledging that Blackfire never actually knew any of the things that she'd have a reason to be angry about. So despite the fact that the show essentially tried to play her up as The Woobie she has killed multiple people including Faddei and the woman whose body she invades/controls as of the Season 2 finale. Granted the last one which is the most egregious may not even be in continuity anymore Retcon as it was ignored after it happened.
  • The sixth episode of Season 3 showed that six years ago, Dick and Barbara went on a crime spree that lasted at least two weeks where they stole valuable items from museums. This heavily conflicts with their actions in the present, especially Barbara who's portrayed as being disillusioned by Batman and wants to stick as close as possible to the rules while proving the GCPD can deal with Gotham's criminal elements. Also her reasons for committing crimes make her come across as being petty, as she is simply annoyed that she's the perfect daughter and is tired of following the rules, while dismissing her father's work and claiming she wants to do real good. While it can be assumed that she simply outgrew this attitude over the next few years, it still makes her come across as a hypocrite even if nobody was shown to get hurt.
    • With Dick however, there is a way to interpret him more sympathetically. Given that Season 3 is set in 2021 then these flashbacks would have occurred in 2015, a year after the Titans disbanded following the deaths of Garth and Jericho. So it's entirely reasonable to assume that Dick was just trying to cope with his guilt over what happened, so while it doesn't excuse his actions it does make them understandable.
  • By and large, most of the Titan's disdain towards Jason's Faceā€“Heel Turn in Season 3, aside from Garfield (who's actively trying to help him out) and Dick to an extent. While they're justified at how he killed Hank by tricking Dawn into blowing him up and the fact he's willingly working with the Scarecrow to target Gotham, they conveniently forget the reason Jason was driven down that path was because they were such jerks to him in Season 2 when he was at his lowest point and nearly drove him to suicide. The fact that only Dick and even Hank acknowledge how they drove him over the edge, while Kory, Rachel, and Dawn conveniently forget their role in it, makes them look worse off by comparison.

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