History Trivia / ThomasSanders

* DawsonCasting: When Thomas started doing his High School Vines back in 2013, he was already 24 years old, however [[OlderThanTheyLook he looked so young that everybody assumed he was really a teenager, and some still think it nowadays.]][[note]][[https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/2007_2017.jpg There was a pic in some [=YouTube=] unofficial Vine compilations]] that showed a photo of Thomas as a child and another photo as an adult, the adult photo said it was from 2017, but younger photo said it was from 2007, when in reality it probably was from the late 1990s, 2000 at the latest, as in 2006 he was already 17 years old.[[/note]] When he grew too old to convincingly play a teenager, and also to avoid any misconstructions, he phased out the high school student character in 2017, except for a remake of an old Vine he did in 2018, and from then on, in the High School Shorts, he would exclusively play the Teacher Guy.[[note]]The Teacher Guy had already been appearing in the High School Vines from 2014, combining his appearances with the student character's ones.[[/note]]

** After Thomas stated in a livestream that he considers his fans to be a sort of family, this mutated into ''Fam''ders.

* ActorSharedBackground: As confirmed by one of Thomas' [[https://78.media.tumblr.com/5cda6caf318fe9f570c072c177eb90d4/tumblr_pd674q7XtW1txo1pj_540.jpg tweets]] Elliott from Cartoon Therapy is non-binary and uses they/them pronouns just like their actor, Joan. Also from Cartoon Therapy, Kai has Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, just like the actor portraying him, Talyn.

* FanNickname: Sleep, from the Sanders Shorts, is given the name "Remy" by the Fanders, for the REM phase of sleeping. Some Fanders have also proposed Brian for Brain.
** During the "content drought" of summer 2018 (when Thomas was taking a break from producing long, intricate videos), some of the fans coped by nicknaming ''every identifiable character'' from the Vines and Sanders Shorts. Examples include Nate (the slow-motion crimefighter, from "procrasti-'''nate'''") and Toby (October).

* [[YouGottaHaveBlueHair You Gotta Have Purple Hair]]: It all started [[https://twitter.com/ThomasSanders/status/883452578520018945 as a tweet]] in July 2017 where Thomas said he wanted to dye his hair purple, but he was afraid of changes, being followed by a lot of replies by Fanders encouraging Thomas to do it. Thomas finally dyed his hair purple in August 2, 2017 and loved the result. Since then, it has become one of the most distinctive traits of his appearance, and even though he returned to his natural brown hair in 2019, he's kept being represented in fan-art almost always with purple hair.

* [[YouGottaHaveBlueHair You Gotta Have Purple Hair]]: It all started [[https://twitter.com/ThomasSanders/status/883452578520018945 as a tweet]] in July 2017 where Thomas said he wanted to dye his hair purple, but he was afraid of changes, being followed by a lot of replies by Fanders encouraging Thomas to do it. Thomas finally dyed his hair purple in August 2, 2017 and loved the result. Since then, it has become one of the most distinctive traits of his appearance, and even though the purple color has faded from time to time, he's kept being represented in fan-art almost always with purple hair.
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%%* QueerCharacterQueerActor: Thomas Sanders has confirmed to be gay, and Thomas, the character from Sanders Sides, is also gay. However, by "Learning New Things About Ourselves", only Virgil has explicitly confirmed canonically to be gay.[[note]]Roman has only mentioned canonically that he's "not straight" and that he's "between princes and princesses", which strongly hints at the possibility of Roman being bi, though this is not confirmed. Later he remarked to he lost when thinking about a "stereotypical relationship between a man and a woman", which hints on him to be gay. Neither Logan nor Patton (and much less Deceit) have ever done themselves the slightest mention about their own sexualities in-universe, although, when Logan at one moment said "So, let me get this straight", Roman answered with a significant "Good luck with that", which hints at Logan not being straight, with all the possibilities this implies.[[/note]]
%%* ScheduleSlip: A common occurrence is Thomas announcing that a video is going to be posted soon, only for unforeseen issues (usually technical difficulties or something similar) to push the video back by a day or two. There is a running joke between him and Fanders about how every time he's published a teaser trailer of a video with a specific release date, that has jinxed the video and for one reason or another, usually unexpected technical issues, he was unable to release the video on the date specified on the teaser.

* ActorSharedBackground: As confirmed by one of Thomas' [[https://78.media.tumblr.com/5cda6caf318fe9f570c072c177eb90d4/tumblr_pd674q7XtW1txo1pj_540.jpg tweets]] Elliott from Cartoon Therapy is non-binary and uses they/them pronouns just like their actor, Joan.

* [[MissingEpisode Missing Episodes]]: Thomas [=YouTube=] channel was started back in 2009. Between that year and 2014, he published several [=YouTube=] videos that later, between 2014 and 2015, were subsequently hidden or deleted for one reason or another. There are references on his Twitter account, on tweets dating back to 2013, that he had published lots of covers of songs by that date, citing titles like "Wonderwall", among others. Up to 2019, only three of these covers had survived: the "Cup Song", "A Dream is a Wish Your Heart Makes" and "Snow in Venice". The rest were hidden or deleted. Some more recent [=YouTube=] vlogs have also been deleted or hidden out of view, among them the "Halloween Thriller Vlog" from 2016 (previously known as "Halloween Vlog Gone Wrong"), the first installment of the "Prank Phone Challenge" series he did with Leo the Giant, and the prank he did on [=ComicCon=] 2015 where he was disguised as an old man who wouldn't stop farting. This last one is still available only on the Internet Archive. On 2019, one of the hidden videos, an a-capella cover of "Falling" by Alicia Keys he did back in 2011 was made public again after Thomas attended a special concert by Alicia Keys during a [=YouTube=] convention for creators he attended.

* DawsonCasting: When Thomas started doing his High School Vines back in 2013, he was already 24 years old, however [[OlderThanTheyLook he looked so young that everybody asumed he was really a teenager, and some still think it nowadays.]][[note]][[https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/2007_2017.jpg There was a pic in some [=YouTube=] unofficial Vine compilations]] that showed a photo of Thomas as a child and another photo as an adult, the adult photo said it was from 2017, but younger photo said it was from 2007, when in reality it probably was from the late 1990s, 2000 at the latest, as in 2006 he was already 17 years old.[[/note]] When he grew too old to convincingly play a teenager, and also to avoid any misconstructions, he phased out the high school student character in 2017, except for a remake of an old Vine he did in 2018, and from then on, in the High School Shorts, he would exclusively play the Teacher Guy.[[note]]The Teacher Guy had already been appearing in the High School Vines from 2014, combining his appearances with the student character's ones.[[/note]]

* PlayingAgainstType: Thomas became huge in Vine playing nice, funny and lighthearted characters. Then, on the peak of his Vine popularity, he was cast as the psychopath serial killer J.D. from "Heathers: The Musical", which, as he said, he saw as an oportunity to expand his boundaries and grow as an actor, but which forced him to publish a vlog where, apart from promoting his new show, he gave a serious warning to his habitual viewers to seek for parental permission if they were underage before trying to see him in this show, so far away from his usual stuff.
%%* QueerCharacterQueerActor: Thomas Sanders has confirmed to be gay, and Thomas, the character from Sanders Sides, is also gay. However, by "Learning New Things About Ourselves", only Virgil has explicitly confirmed canonically to be gay.[[note]]Roman has only mentioned canonically that he's "not straight" and that he's "between princes and princesses", which strongly hints at the possibility of Roman being bi, though this is not confirmed. Later he remarked to he lost when thinking about a "stereotypical relationship between a man and a woman", which hints on him to be gay. Neither Logan nor Patton (and much less Deceit) have ever done themselves the slightest mention about their own sexualities in-universe, although, when Logan at one moment said "So, let me get this straight", Roman answered with a significant "Good luck with that", which hints at Logan not being straight, with all the possibilities this implies.[[/note]]
%%* ScheduleSlip: A common occurrence is Thomas announcing that a video is going to be posted soon, only for unforeseen issues (usually technical difficulties or something similar) to push the video back by a day or two. There is a running joke between him and Fanders about how every time he's published a teaser trailer of a video with a specific release date, that has jinxed the video and for one reason or another, usually unexpected technical issues, he was unable to release the video on the date specified on the teaser.

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* FunTShirt: He has [[TheMerch several t-shirts available]], one of which has one of his Misleading Compliments split to the front ("They'll never find your body...") and back ("...more beautiful than I do!").

* CreatorsFavorite:
** Thomas enjoys playing Virgil, but has the most fun with Patton and Roman.
** Joan's is Logan but they admit that all of the characters are growing on them.
** Talyn's is Patton.
* CreatorsFavoriteEpisode:
** Thomas' favorite episode from "Sanders Sides" is "Making Some Changes!", since he was able to direct his friends and see them act as his characters.
** Joan's favorite episodes are "Am I Original?", "Fitting In (Hogwarts Houses!)", and "Accepting Anxiety". They also have a special place in their heart for "Alone on Valentine's Day" because it was the first episode they wrote with Thomas.

* EnforcedMethodActing: In a sense. Thomas has mentioned that he usually films Virgil's scenes last, since Virgil wears heavy makeup that's hard to get all the way off. By then, Thomas is usually exhausted and ready to quit -- which actually works out very well, since Virgil is much more low-key and grouchy than the other characters.

* IKnewIt:
** [[http://hearts-rogue.tumblr.com/post/170463765736/arc-sstrash-so-my-theory-for-the-next-sanders This theory]] shows that "Moving On: Part 2" foreshadowed the appearance of a new side and his nature.
** [[https://quinintheclouds.tumblr.com/post/172835020374/predictions-for-the-new-sanders-sides-video This theory]] predicted "Why Do We Get Out of Bed in the Morning?" accurately.
** In "Dealing With Intrusive Thoughts," Virgil reveals he's a former Dark Side. Cue 99% of the Fanders screaming "CALLED IT!"

* QueerCharacterQueerActor: Thomas Sanders has confirmed to be gay, and Thomas, the character from Sanders Sides, is also gay. However, by "Learning New Things About Ourselves", only Virgil has explicitly confirmed canonically to be gay.[[note]]Roman has only mentioned canonically that he's "not straight" and that he's "between princes and princesses", which strongly hints at the possibility of Roman being bi, though this is not confirmed. Later he remarked to he lost when thinking about a "stereotypical relationship between a man and a woman", which hints on him to be gay. Neither Logan nor Patton (and much less Deceit) have ever done themselves the slightest mention about their own sexualities in-universe, although, when Logan at one moment said "So, let me get this straight", Roman answered with a significant "Good luck with that", which hints at Logan not being straight, with all the possibilities this implies.[[/note]]
* RealLifeWritesThePlot: Events that occur in Thomas' real life are frequently mentioned/focused on in episodes of Sanders Sides.
* ScheduleSlip: A common occurrence is Thomas announcing that a video is going to be posted soon, only for unforeseen issues (usually technical difficulties or something similar) to push the video back by a day or two. There is a running joke between him and Fanders about how every time he's published a teaser trailer of a video with a specific release date, that has jinxed the video and for one reason or another, usually unexpected technical issues, he was unable to release the video on the date specified on the teaser.
* TeasingCreator: In the [=VidCon=] Q&A, it was mentioned that Deceit has a name and that there are two Dark Sides in the works.
* ThrowItIn: The second part of Roman's line of "Sorry, I'm not thinking straight... ever. I'm not straight!" in "Moving On: Part 2" was allegedly just a line Thomas ad-libbed and it was kept in. The same happened with the last part of the line "Oh, my gosh, I will kill both of you, with my bear hands... and this sword!"
* TrollingCreator: In the [=VidCon=] Q&A, when asked for his given name, Deceit just kept giving random answers. [[ConsummateLiar To]] [[BlatantLies no one's]] [[ILied surprise]].
* WhatCouldHaveBeen:
** According to a [[https://thejoanglebook.tumblr.com/post/170558165627/how-long-has-deceit-been-in-production-so-to?is_related_post=1#notes tumblr ask from Joan]] (who is the co-writer for the Sanders Sides), Deceit was supposed to be the ''second'' Dark Side to be revealed.
** In the [=VidCon=] Q&A, Virgil was considered to be named "Payton" since they think that he and Patton are "two sides of the same coin" and "Ethan" after ethos/ethical appeals.
* TheWikiRule: [[https://sanders-sides.wikia.com/wiki/Sanders_Sides_Wiki This wikia dedicated to the Sanders Sides series.]]

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!!General Trivia:
* Joan started co-writing the Sanders Sides series on the 8th episode, "Alone On Valentine's Day!".
* Talyn, who had already been present in the series as an editor and making props among other tasks (they made the laptop prop that Logan throws at Thomas' head), stepped in as a makeup artist for Virgil's eyeshadow in "Accepting Anxiety: Part 2". Initially, they were going to do makeup in that episode only (to apply the effect of the eyeshadow gradually appearing on the other Sides); however, the new look on Virgil was so highly praised that Talyn remained doing Virgil's makeup permanently, replacing Thomas, who did his own makeup earlier with an eye pencil.
* In the first installments, the ''Sanders Sides'' series was untitled, and the Sanders Sides at first did not have an official group name, being simply called by their individual nicknames or with the "My Personality" group name. The name "Sanders Sides" was gradually introduced out of universe after a few installments, but it wouldn't be up until episode 9 from season 1, "My Personality Q&A", when the first partially in-universe reference to them would be as "Sanders Sides", in the hashtag that Thomas uses to receive questions for the Sides, [=#AskSandersSides=] (oddly enough, as the title still referred to them with the old "My Personality", in the last use of this term).[[note]]Later on, this episode was conveniently retitled as "Sanders Sides Q&A"[[/note]] The first completely in-universe mention of the term "Sanders Sides" would be one episode later, in "Am I Original?" when Thomas says that Virgil had been so chill "in the last couple of ''Sanders Sides'' videos" and Virgil answers "Sometimes I just gotta be me... an." The title wouldn't appear on-screen, though, up until the beginning of season two, "Fitting In".

* ThrowItIn: The second part of Roman's line of "Sorry, I'm not thinking straight... ever. I'm not straight!" in "Moving On: Part 2" was allegedly just a line Thomas ad-libbed and it was kept in.

* [[MissingEpisode Missing Episodes]]: Thomas [=YouTube=] channel was started back in 2009. Between that year and 2014, he published several [=YouTube=] videos that later, between 2014 and 2015, were subsequently hidden or deleted for one reason or another. There are references on his Twitter account, on tweets dating back to 2013, that he had published lots of covers of songs by that date, citing titles like "Wonderwall", among others. Up to 2019, only three of these covers had survived: the "Cup Song", "A Dream is a Wish Your Heart Makes" and "Snow in Venice". The rest were hidden or deleted. Some more recent [=YouTube=] vlogs have also been deleted or hidden out of view, among them the "Halloween Thriller Vlog" from 2016 (previously known as "Halloween Vlog Gone Wrong"), the first installment of the "Prank Phone Challenge" series he did with Leo the Giant, and the prank he did on [=ComicCon=] 2015 where he was disguised as an old man who wouldn't stop farting. This last one is still available only on the Internet Archive. On 2019, one of the hidden videos, an a-capella cover of "Falling" by Alicia Keys he did back in 2011 was made public again after Thomas attended a special concert by Alicia Keys during a YouTube convention for creators he attended.

* QueerCharacterQueerActor: Thomas Sanders has confirmed to be gay, and Thomas, the character from Sanders Sides, is also gay. However, by "Learning New Things About Ourselves", only Virgil has explicitly confirmed canonically to be gay.[[note]]Roman has only mentioned canonically that he's "not straight" and that he's "between princes and princesses", which strongly hints at the possibility of Roman being bi, though this is not confirmed. Later he remarked to he lost when thinking about a "stereotipical relationship between a man and a woman", which hints on him to be gay. Neither Logan nor Patton (and much less Deceit) have ever done themselves the slightest mention about their own sexualities in-universe, although, when Logan at one moment said "So, let me get this straight", Roman answered with a significant "Good luck with that", which hints at Logan not being straight, with all the possibilities this implies.[[/note]]

* QueerCharacterQueerActor: Thomas Sanders has confirmed to be gay, and Thomas, the character from Sanders Sides, is also gay. However, by "Learning New Things About Ourselves", only Virgil has explicitly confirmed canonically to be gay. Roman has only mentioned canonically that he's "not straight" and that he's "between princes and princesses", which strongly hints at the possibility of Roman being bi, though this is not confirmed. Later he remarked to he lost when thinking about a "stereotipical relationship between a man and a woman", which hints on him to be gay. Neither Logan nor Patton (and much less Deceit) have ever done themselves the slightest mention about their own sexualities in-universe, although, when Logan at one moment said "So, let me get this straight", Roman answered with a significant "Good luck with that", which hints at Logan not being straight, with all the possibilities this implies.

* QueerCharacterQueerActor: Thomas Sanders has confirmed to be gay, and Thomas, the character from Sanders Sides, is also gay. It is generally implied that the Sanders Sides are all gay too, because they are parts of Thomas' personality, but only Virgil has confirmed canonically to be gay. Roman has only mentioned canonically that he's "not straight" and that he's "between princes and princesses", which strongly hints at the possibility of Roman being bi, though this is not confirmed. Neither Logan nor Patton (and much less Deceit) have ever done the slightest mention about their own sexualities in-universe.

* [[MissingEpisode Missing Episodes]]: Thomas published at the time several [=YouTube=] videos that later were subsequently deleted for one reason or another. There are references on his Twitter account, on tweets dating back to 2013, that he had published lots of covers of songs by that date, citing titles like "Wonderwall", among others. Only three of them have survived: the "Cup Song", "A Dream is a Wish Your Heart Makes" and "Snow in Venice". The rest were deleted at some point. Some more recent [=YouTube=] vlogs have also been deleted or hidden out of view, among them the "Halloween Thriller Vlog" from 2016 (previously known as "Halloween Vlog Gone Wrong"), the first installment of the "Prank Phone Challenge" series he did with Leo the Giant, and the prank he did on [=ComicCon=] 2015 where he was disguised as an old man who wouldn't stop farting. This last one is still available only on the Internet Archive.

* ActorSharedBackground: As confirmed by one of Thomas' [[https://78.media.tumblr.com/5cda6caf318fe9f570c072c177eb90d4/tumblr_pd674q7XtW1txo1pj_540.jpg tweets]] Elliott from Cartoon Therapy is non-binary just like their actor, Joan.

* QueerCharacterQueerActor: Thomas Sanders has confirmed to be gay, and Thomas, the character from Sanders Sides, is also gay. It is implied that the Sanders Sides are all gay too, because they are parts of Thomas' personality, even though there are not many mentions in-universe about that. The only one who has openly spoken in-universe about it, Roman, has only mentioned that he's "not straight" and that he's "between princes and princesses".

* In the first installments, the ''Sanders Sides'' series was untitled, and the Sanders Sides at first did not have an official group name, being simply called by their individual nicknames or with the "My Personality" group name. The name "Sanders Sides" was gradually introduced out of universe after a few installments, but it wouldn't be up until episode 9 from season 1, "My Personality Q&A", when the first partially in-universe reference to them would be as "Sanders Sides", in the hashtag that Thomas uses to receive questions for the Sides, [=#AskSandersSides=] (oddly enough, as the title still referred to them with the old "My Personality", in the last use of this term). The first completely in-universe mention of the term "Sanders Sides" would be one episode later, in "Am I Original?" when Thomas says that Virgil had been so chill "in the last couple of ''Sanders Sides'' videos" and Virgil answers "Sometimes I just gotta be me... an." The title wouldn't appear on-screen, though, up until the beginning of season two, "Fitting In".

* ScheduleSlip: A common occurrence is Thomas announcing that a video is going to be posted soon, only for unforeseen issues (usually technical difficulties or something similar) to push the video back by a day or two.

* [[MissingEpisode Missing Episodes]]: Thomas published at the time several YouTube videos that later were subsequently deleted for one reason or another. There are references on his Twitter account, on tweets dating back to 2013, that he had published lots of covers of songs by that date, citing titles like "Wonderwall", among others. Only three of them have survived: the "Cup Song", "A Dream is a Wish Your Heart Makes" and "Snow in Venice". The rest were deleted at some point. Some more recent YouTube vlogs have also been deleted or hidden out of view, among them the "Halloween Thriller Vlog" from 2016 (previously known as "Halloween Vlog Gone Wrong"), the first installment of the "Prank Phone Challenge" series he did with Leo the Giant, and the prank he did on [=ComicCon=] 2015 where he was disguised as an old man who wouldn't stop farting. This last one is still available only on the Internet Archive.