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* ActingForTwo: The English and Japanese voice actors for Jonathan and Walter are shared with [[spoiler:the alignment leader they fuse to create, Merkabah and Lucifer respectively.]]

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* ActingForTwo: ActingForTwo:
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The English and Japanese voice actors for Jonathan and Walter are shared with [[spoiler:the alignment leader they fuse to create, Merkabah and Lucifer respectively.]]respectively]].
** In the dub, The Terminal Guardian and the protagonist are voiced by the [[Creator/KeithSilverstein same person]], though any conversations these two have are pretty one-sided due to the protagonist being a HeroicMime.



* TalkingToHimself: In the dub, The Terminal Guardian and the protagonist are voiced by the [[Creator/KeithSilverstein same person]], though these conversations are [[HeroicMime pretty one-sided.]]
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* PlayingAgainstType: Creator/BrycePapenbrook, known for his KidHero and {{Keet}} roles like [[Manga/BlueExorcist Rin]], [[LightNovel/{{Durarara}} Masaomi Kida]], [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyIX Zidane]], and [[LightNovel/SwordArtOnline Kirito]], voices Issachar, the friend of the main character who also has an upbeat attitude...until he's rejected by the Samurai's Gauntlet. Things get worse after [[spoiler: he becomes [[WasOnceAMan a demon]].]] And things get worse than that after [[spoiler:the omnicidal White appear, with the leader based on Issachar.]]

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* PlayingAgainstType: Creator/BrycePapenbrook, known for his KidHero and {{Keet}} roles like [[Manga/BlueExorcist Rin]], [[LightNovel/{{Durarara}} [[Literature/{{Durarara}} Masaomi Kida]], [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyIX Zidane]], and [[LightNovel/SwordArtOnline [[Literature/SwordArtOnline Kirito]], voices Issachar, the friend of the main character who also has an upbeat attitude...until he's rejected by the Samurai's Gauntlet. Things get worse after [[spoiler: he becomes [[WasOnceAMan a demon]].]] And things get worse than that after [[spoiler:the omnicidal White appear, with the leader based on Issachar.]]
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* FanNickname: "El Presidente" for the [[WakeUpCallBoss surprisingly difficult]] Ose guarding the Shinjuku Terminal, coming from his description in the Compendium as a "President of Hell."
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*** According to revealed material about the second arc, it was supposed to take place in [[ExtyYearsFromNow 201X]] and was going to act as a sort of interactive backstory for the Resurrection Arc. It also reveals that Kenji was originally going to have a much more central role.

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*** According to revealed material about the second arc, it was supposed to take place in [[ExtyYearsFromNow [[YearX 201X]] and was going to act as a sort of interactive backstory for the Resurrection Arc. It also reveals that Kenji was originally going to have a much more central role.
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* TroubledProduction: While a more subdued case than most, the game suffered from the new and old members of Team Maniacs having different ideas of what to do with the game causing a drift between them, with the old guard wanting to stick to series standards while the new wanted to input things they where accustomed to such as "sweet" female characters and various classic anime tropes. Incidentally, this is why despite being announced as the Chaos and Law heroes, respectively, from the very start of the game, Walter and especially Johnathan don't really fit their alignment until [[spoiler:they abruptly go full Chaos and Law]] near the end of the game.

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* TroubledProduction: While a more subdued case than most, the game suffered from the new and old members of Team Maniacs having different ideas of what to do with the game causing a drift between them, with the old guard wanting to stick to series standards while the new wanted to input things they where accustomed to such as "sweet" female characters and various classic anime tropes. Incidentally, this is why despite being announced as the Chaos and Law heroes, respectively, from the very start of the game, Walter and especially Johnathan Jonathan don't really fit their alignment until [[spoiler:they abruptly go full Chaos and Law]] near the end of the game.

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* BadExportForYou: The game's European release came well over a year after the Japanese and North American ones. It was in English only, in contrast to the standard of European-release games being available in multiple languages, and was available only for digital download, unlike the Japanese and North American releases which are both available in physical form as well.

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* BadExportForYou: ActingForTwo: The English and Japanese voice actors for Jonathan and Walter are shared with [[spoiler:the alignment leader they fuse to create, Merkabah and Lucifer respectively.]]
* BadExportForYou:
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The game's European release came well over a year after the Japanese and North American ones. It was in English only, in contrast to the standard of European-release games being available in multiple languages, and was available only for digital download, unlike the Japanese and North American releases which are both available in physical form as well.



*** Thankfully averted since the release of [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse the sequel]], which, in order to bolster interest on its sales, lifted the region lock from these countries. ''Three years later'', yes, but hey.

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*** ** Thankfully averted since the release of [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse the sequel]], which, in order to bolster interest on its sales, lifted the region lock from these countries. ''Three years later'', yes, but hey.
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* RecycledScript: The game borrows a lot of elements and plotlines from [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI the first SMT]] with things such as [[spoiler:the protagonist meeting the alignment representatives in a dream, the protagonist loosing a close one to demonic forces early on, Lilith's involvement in the plot and her attempted execution (only this time the roles are revered), ICBM attacks against Tokyo, the Demon Summoning Program distributed as shareware, Masakado’s Katana being presented to the protagonist, the protagonist has to present a matchbook gain entry to a location, and so forth.]]
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* TroubledProduction: While a more subdued case than most, the game suffered from the new and old members of Team Maniacs having different ideas of what to do with the game causing a drift between them, with the old guard wanting to stick to series standards while the new wanted to input things they where accustomed to such as "sweet" female characters and various classic anime tropes. Incidentally, this is why despite being announced as the Chaos and Law heroes, respectively, from the very start of the game, Walter and especially Johnathan don't really fit their alignment until [[spoiler:they abruptly go full Law and Chaos, respectively,]] near the end of the game.

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* TroubledProduction: While a more subdued case than most, the game suffered from the new and old members of Team Maniacs having different ideas of what to do with the game causing a drift between them, with the old guard wanting to stick to series standards while the new wanted to input things they where accustomed to such as "sweet" female characters and various classic anime tropes. Incidentally, this is why despite being announced as the Chaos and Law heroes, respectively, from the very start of the game, Walter and especially Johnathan don't really fit their alignment until [[spoiler:they abruptly go full Law Chaos and Chaos, respectively,]] Law]] near the end of the game.
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* TroubledProduction: While a more subdued case than most, the game suffered from the new and old members of Team Maniacs having different ideas of what to do with the game causing a drift between them, with the old guard wanting to stick to series standards while the new wanted to input things they where accustomed to such as "sweet" female characters and various classic anime tropes.

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* TroubledProduction: While a more subdued case than most, the game suffered from the new and old members of Team Maniacs having different ideas of what to do with the game causing a drift between them, with the old guard wanting to stick to series standards while the new wanted to input things they where accustomed to such as "sweet" female characters and various classic anime tropes. Incidentally, this is why despite being announced as the Chaos and Law heroes, respectively, from the very start of the game, Walter and especially Johnathan don't really fit their alignment until [[spoiler:they abruptly go full Law and Chaos, respectively,]] near the end of the game.
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*** According to revealed material about the second arc, it was supposed to take place in [[ExtyYearsFromNow 201X]] and was going to act as a sort of interactive backstory for the Resurrection Arc. It also reveals that Kenji was originally going to have a much more central role.
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* LateExportForYou: While the North American version was only released two months after the Japanese version, Europe had to wait another ''fifteen months'' to get their own version.
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** According to the Megaten Maniax book, the original script Kaneko had created for the game was so massive, it is described to have been able to fill upwards of 7 to 8 volumes of Japanese novels. Supposedly it was split into two huge parts internally called the Resurrection arc and the Destruction arc. The game is mostly based on the content in the Resurrection arc, while the material of the Destruction arc mostly went unused.
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*** Thankfully averted since the release of [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse the sequel]], which, in order to bolster interest on the sequel, lifted the region lock from these countries. ''Three years later'', yes, but hey.

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*** Thankfully averted since the release of [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse the sequel]], which, in order to bolster interest on the sequel, its sales, lifted the region lock from these countries. ''Three years later'', yes, but hey.
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*** Thankfully averted since the release of [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse the sequel]], which, in order to bolster interest on the sequel, lifted the region lock from these countries. Four years later, yes, but hey.

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*** Thankfully averted since the release of [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse the sequel]], which, in order to bolster interest on the sequel, lifted the region lock from these countries. Four ''Three years later, later'', yes, but hey.
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*** Thankfully averted since the release of [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse the sequel]], which, in order to bolster interest on the sequel, lifted the region lock from these regions. Four years later, yes, but hey.

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*** Thankfully averted since the release of [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse the sequel]], which, in order to bolster interest on the sequel, lifted the region lock from these regions.countries. Four years later, yes, but hey.
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*** Thankfully averted since the release of [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVFinal]], which, in order to bolster interest on the sequel, lifted the region lock from these regions. Four years later, yes, but hey.

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*** Thankfully averted since the release of [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVFinal]], [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse the sequel]], which, in order to bolster interest on the sequel, lifted the region lock from these regions. Four years later, yes, but hey.
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*** Thankfully averted since the release of [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse]], which, in order to bolster interest on the sequel, lifted the region lock from these regions. Four years later, but hey.

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*** Thankfully averted since the release of [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse]], [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVFinal]], which, in order to bolster interest on the sequel, lifted the region lock from these regions. Four years later, yes, but hey.
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** Same goes for the players living in Central America or South America. For some unexplained reason, these were region-locked from acquiring the game via Eshop. Importing a physical copy was the solution for these, if expensive, but it still would keep those players locked from acquiring the DLC all the same, leaving them with an incomplete game in comparison to other countries.
*** Thankfully averted since the release of [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse]], which, in order to bolster interest on the sequel, lifted the region lock from these regions. Four years later, but hey.
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* TalkingToHimself: In the dub, Issachar and the protagonist are voiced by the [[Creator/BrycePapenbrook same person]], though these conversations are [[HeroicMime pretty one-sided.]]

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* TalkingToHimself: In the dub, Issachar The Terminal Guardian and the protagonist are voiced by the [[Creator/BrycePapenbrook [[Creator/KeithSilverstein same person]], though these conversations are [[HeroicMime pretty one-sided.]]
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* FanNickname: "El Presidente" for the [[WakeUpCallBoss surprisingly difficult]] Ose guarding the Shinjuku Terminal, coming from his description in the Compendium as a "President of Hell."

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** The standard Samurai uniforms used to be gray and black until they decided that it wouldn't make sense for the Black Samurai to be considered conspicuous if all Samurai wore dark uniforms so they switched over to blue and white.

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** The standard Samurai uniforms used to be gray and black until they decided that it wouldn't make sense for the Black Samurai to be considered conspicuous if all Samurai wore dark uniforms so they switched over to blue and white.white.
** The audience room of Mikado Castle was cut as a visitable location because of how little importance the king ended up having in the game itself.


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** Reverse Hills had some content that was too graphic for a Cero C rating, so they toned it down.
** The designer of Chemtrail, Tamotsu Shinohara, had initially wanted to put Illuminati symbolism in its design as part of its conspiracy theory aspect, like a one eyed pyramid imprinted on its stomach, before deciding that it might cause problems later and scrapped the idea.
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** Akihabara was originally going to be explorable before being cut entirely.

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** Akihabara was originally going to be explorable before being cut entirely. It's explained in-universe as the Ashura-Kai destroying the ward in what appeared to be a military strike.

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* TroubledProduction: While a more subdued case than most, the game suffered from the new and old members of Team Maniacs having different ideas of what to do with the game causing a drift between them, with the old guard wanting to stick to series standards while the new wanted to input things they where accustomed to such as "sweet" female characters and various classic anime tropes.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Much of the characters have beta designs. Most notably, the standard samurai outfit used to be gray and Jonathan used to look like an older [[VideoGame/Persona3 Ken Amada]].

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Much of the characters have beta designs. Most notably, the WhatCouldHaveBeen:
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standard samurai outfit Samurai uniforms used to be gray and black until they decided that it wouldn't make sense for the Black Samurai to be considered conspicuous if all Samurai wore dark uniforms so they switched over to blue and white.
** Lucifer Palace and Purgatorium were originally the final dungeons for the opposite alignment route, Lucifer Palace for the Chaos route and Purgatorium for the Law route, they were switched for symbolism.
** An idea that went unused for Lucifer Palace was Lucifer's eye being seen in windows, watching the party as they make their way through the dungeon.
** Akihabara was originally going to be explorable before being cut entirely.
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Jonathan used to look like an older [[VideoGame/Persona3 Ken Amada]].
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I'm not English now. North American, if you please. England is in Europe and surprisingly enough, speaks English.


* BadExportForYou: The game's European release came well over a year after the Japanese and North American ones. It was in English only, in contrast to the standard of European-release games being available in multiple languages, and was available only for digital download, unlike the Japanese and English releases which are both available in physical form as well.

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* BadExportForYou: The game's European release came well over a year after the Japanese and North American ones. It was in English only, in contrast to the standard of European-release games being available in multiple languages, and was available only for digital download, unlike the Japanese and English North American releases which are both available in physical form as well.
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Hey Its That Guy cut by TRS decision. Ditto for Hey Its That Voice.


* HeyItsThatGuy: This is the first game in the series to have Guest Artists design some of the demons. [[BrokenBase Reception has been mixed.]]
** [[Series/KaizokuSentaiGokaiger Yasushi]] [[Series/KamenRiderKabuto Nira]][[Series/KamenRiderDenO sawa]]: [[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/a/a5/Centaur_SMTIV.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130906164719 Centaur]], [[http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/b/be/Medusa_SMT_IV.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130906081202 Medusa]], [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/6/6d/Smtiv_Asmodeus.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121012225902 Asmodeus]], [[http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/2/2b/Michizane_SMTIV.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130906162059 Michizane]], [[spoiler:[[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/b/b9/Lucifer_smt_4.png/revision/latest?cb=20130906211305 Lucifer]], [[http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/7/78/Masakado_Complete_Form_SMTIV.png/revision/latest?cb=20130710192505 Masakado]]]]
** [[Series/SamuraiSentaiShinkenger Tamotsu]] [[Series/KamenRiderOOO Shino]][[Series/TokumeiSentaiGobusters hara]]: [[http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/f/f5/Minotaur_SMTIV_Full_Artwork.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130906025607 Minotaur]], [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/6/63/Napaea_SMTIV_Official_Artwork.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20151209191733 Napaea]], [[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/e/e4/Dullahan_SMTIV.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130906023937 Dullahan]], [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/7/7d/Smtiv_Kouga_Saburou.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121012225846 Koga Saburo]], [[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/d/dc/Tenkai_SMTIV.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130906162212 Tenkai]], [[http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/5/53/Chemtrail_SMTIV.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130906162513 Chemtrail]], [[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/c/c2/Ancient_Day_SMT4.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130619223800 Ancient of Days]], [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/4/4d/Sanato_SMT4.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130619225123 Sanat]]
** [[Series/{{Garo}} Keita]] [[Series/KidouKeijiJiban Ame]][[Series/ChoujinkiMetalder miya]]: [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/c/cf/Smtiv_raphael.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121012225242 Raphael]], [[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/5/5d/Gabriel_SMTIV.png/revision/latest?cb=20130623013336 Gabriel]], [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/2/2f/Michael_SMTIV.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130623013551 Michael]], [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/f/f1/Uriel_IV.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140801004537 Uriel]], [[spoiler:[[http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/9/96/SMTIV_Lilith.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20151013125623 Lilith]], [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/6/6c/Merkabah1stform.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140907040821 Merkabah]]]]
** [[Series/ChoujuuSentaiLiveman Kyoma]] [[Anime/ShinkonGattaiGodannar Aki]]: [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/9/9d/Kuebiko.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121013043130 Kuebiko]]
** [[Film/TokyoGorePolice Yoshihiro Nishimura]]: [[http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/5/50/Smtiv_omoikane.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121012225618 Omoikane]], [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/6/6a/Pluto_SMTIV.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130807005534 Pluto]], P-Army, [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/4/43/SMTIV-YasoMagatsuhi.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130730233618 Yaso Magatsuhi]]
* HeyItsThatVoice: [[VideoGame/KidIcarusUprising Palutena]] is MissionControl [[Creator/AliHillis once more]]. Amusingly, both characters [[spoiler:are BigGood goddesses.]]
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Much of the characters have beta designs. Most notably, the standard samurai outfit used to be gray and Jonathan used to look like an older Ken Amada.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Much of the characters have beta designs. Most notably, the standard samurai outfit used to be gray and Jonathan used to look like an older [[VideoGame/Persona3 Ken Amada.Amada]].
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** [[Film/TokyoGorePolice Yoshihiro Nishimura]]: Omoikane, Pluto, P-Army, Yaso Magatsuhi

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** [[Film/TokyoGorePolice Yoshihiro Nishimura]]: Omoikane, Pluto, [[http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/5/50/Smtiv_omoikane.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121012225618 Omoikane]], [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/6/6a/Pluto_SMTIV.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130807005534 Pluto]], P-Army, [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/4/43/SMTIV-YasoMagatsuhi.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130730233618 Yaso MagatsuhiMagatsuhi]]

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