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* UnexpectedCharacter: Sara is shocked to learn that Slade has a son named Grant. Amusingly, she acts surprised that Slade had a son at all, inspite of the fact she knew of his other son Joe.

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* ContinuitySnarl:
** Rip mentions in the PilotEpisode that the entire team has minimal effect to the timeline, yet Star City utterly descended to {{Dystopia}} with Oliver saying that Sara and Ray being there during the uprising could have been a game changer. Though Rip could have been talking about his era which is more than a hundred years into the future, making any damage from the Legends being gone long over and done with. It is also pointed out that Ray and Sarah probably wouldn't have been able to change the outcome of the uprising, but Sarah nonetheless feels they could have made a difference.
** Sara has no idea that Slade has a child, despite hearing that from Oliver in Lian Yu when he was calming Slade down (then again, he mentioned Joe not Grant).
** Snart mentions that, as bad as he is, he would never leave one of his teammates to die. This is in spite of the fact that in his premier episode Snart [[BadBoss callously murdered]] one of his men for trying to back out of a job and then told two others that he would hunt them down when he found him. Then again this may just be the difference between TrueCompanions and [[WhatMeasureIsAMook mooks]].



-->'''Sara:''' They said you were dead!
-->'''Oliver:''' [[DespairEventHorizon Well, they're not wrong.]]

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-->'''Sara:''' They said you were dead!
-->'''Oliver:'''
dead!\\
'''Oliver:'''
[[DespairEventHorizon Well, they're not wrong.]]



* SeriesContinuityError:
** Rip mentions in the PilotEpisode that the entire team has minimal effect to the timeline, yet Star City utterly descended to {{Dystopia}} with Oliver saying that Sara and Ray being there during the uprising could have been a game changer. Though Rip could have been talking about his era which is more than a hundred years into the future, making any damage from the Legends being gone long over and done with. It is also pointed out that Ray and Sarah probably wouldn't have been able to change the outcome of the uprising, but Sarah nonetheless feels they could have made a difference.
** Sara has no idea that Slade has a child, despite hearing that from Oliver in Lian Yu when he was calming Slade down (then again, he mentioned Joe not Grant).
** Snart mentions that, as bad as he is, he would never leave one of his teammates to die. This is in spite of the fact that in his premier episode Snart [[BadBoss callously murdered]] one of his men for trying to back out of a job and then told two others that he would hunt them down when he found him. Then again this may just be the difference between TrueCompanions and [[WhatMeasureIsAMook mooks]].



* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: For some reason no mention is made about Connor's sister, Sara. Similarly, Grant's brother, Joey, is also not mentioned. And while Slade is mentioned by name, his ultimate fate and what relevance that has to Grant's motives are never revealed.

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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: For some reason no mention is made about Connor's sister, Sara. Similarly, Grant's brother, Joey, is also not mentioned. And while Slade is mentioned by name, his ultimate fate and what relevance that has to Grant's motives are never revealed.revealed.
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* AbsenteeActor: Vandal Savage does not appear in this episode.
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* ExtyYearsFromNow: The episode is set 30 years into the Series/{{Arrowverse}}'s current time.

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* ExtyYearsFromNow: ExtyYearsFromPublication: The episode is set 30 years into the Series/{{Arrowverse}}'s current time.
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* BeardOfSorrow: Oliver is sporting a BadassBeard, but he's so broken (both literally and figuratively) after everything that has happened.

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* BeardOfSorrow: Oliver is sporting a BadassBeard, beard, but he's so broken (both literally and figuratively) after everything that has happened.

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Flashpoint hadn't happened yet.


** Oliver being alive was spoiled by the trailers, sneak-peeks, social media and [[SpoilerOpening the OBB of this very episode]].
*** Not to mention the fact that [[KidFromTheFuture Eobard Thawne]] had previously [[Recap/TheFlash2014S1E22RogueAir mentioned]] that Oliver lives well until his 80s.

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** Oliver being alive was spoiled by the trailers, sneak-peeks, social media and [[SpoilerOpening the OBB of this very episode]].
*** Not to mention the fact that [[KidFromTheFuture Eobard Thawne]]
episode]]. To be fair, him surviving this long had previously [[Recap/TheFlash2014S1E22RogueAir mentioned]] that Oliver lives well until his 80s.been mentioned by Eobard Thawne.



* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: For some reason no mention is made about Connor's sister, Sara (probably because she no longer exists after Flashpoint). Similarly, Grant's brother, Joey, is also not mentioned. And while Slade is mentioned by name, his ultimate fate and what relevance that has to Grant's motives are never revealed.

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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: For some reason no mention is made about Connor's sister, Sara (probably because she no longer exists after Flashpoint).Sara. Similarly, Grant's brother, Joey, is also not mentioned. And while Slade is mentioned by name, his ultimate fate and what relevance that has to Grant's motives are never revealed.

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* AchillesInHisTent: This era's Oliver Queen is NotQuiteDead, but instead secluded himself in the ruins of his old Bunker.



** Oliver mentions Slade Wilson's plan to destroy his life, which was the focus of ''Arrow's'' second season.

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** Oliver mentions Slade Wilson's plan to destroy his life, which was the focus of ''Arrow's'' second season.of Season 2.



** Grant Wilson is defeated the same way his father was over thirty years ago - being bound by a bola arrow.
* CelebrityParadox: Mick makes a ''Series/HappyDays'' ShoutOut. The show famously has Creator/RonHoward, who is the RealLife father-in-law of Seth Gabel aka the first Count Vertigo.

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** Grant Wilson is defeated the same way his father was over thirty years ago - being -- bound by a bola arrow.
* CelebrityParadox: Mick makes a ''Series/HappyDays'' ShoutOut. The show famously has Creator/RonHoward, who is the RealLife father-in-law of Seth Gabel aka a.k.a. the first Count Vertigo.



* ChekhovsGun: When Sara, Connor and Rip first dropped by to the Arrow Bunker, Sara sees an [[ArtificialLimbs prosthetic arm]] lying around in a corner. The now handicapped Oliver will later use it after he regains his funk.

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* ChekhovsGun: When Sara, Connor and Rip first dropped by to the Arrow Bunker, Sara sees an [[ArtificialLimbs prosthetic arm]] lying around in a corner. The now handicapped now-handicapped Oliver will later use it after he regains his funk.



** Oliver knows Kendra due to the events of “Legends of Today” and “Legends of Yesterday”.

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** Oliver knows Kendra due to the events of “Legends of Today” and “Legends of Yesterday”."Legends of" two-parter.



** Snart mentions that, as bad as he is, he would never leave one of his teammates to die. This is in spite of the fact that in his premier episode Snart [[BadBoss callously murdered]] one of his men for trying to back out of a job and then told two others that he would hunt them down when he found him. Then again this may just be the difference between TrueCompanions and [[WhatMeasureIsAMook mooks]]

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** Snart mentions that, as bad as he is, he would never leave one of his teammates to die. This is in spite of the fact that in his premier episode Snart [[BadBoss callously murdered]] one of his men for trying to back out of a job and then told two others that he would hunt them down when he found him. Then again this may just be the difference between TrueCompanions and [[WhatMeasureIsAMook mooks]]mooks]].



** Rip tells the team that "[[SelfFulfillingProphecy the events that they dread could very well come to be due to their actions to prevent them.]]" Later on, Prof. Stein's attempts to dissuade Ray from taking a romantic interest in Kendra (to prevent Jax from having competition in a suitor) end up spawning such a romantic interest to begin with.

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** Rip tells the team that "[[SelfFulfillingProphecy the events that they dread could very well come to be due to their actions to prevent them.]]" them]]". Later on, Prof. Stein's attempts to dissuade Ray from taking a romantic interest in Kendra (to prevent Jax from having competition in a suitor) end up spawning such a romantic interest to begin with.



* HesBack: After some persuasion from Sara, Ollie dons his old costume and shows that old age and a missing arm haven't slowed him down in the least.

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* HesBack: After some persuasion from Sara, Ollie dons his old costume and shows that old age and a missing arm haven't didn't slowed him down in the least.



** Sara calls out Rip on his constant exposition of messing with the timeline despite the fact that that is exactly why he recruited them in the first place.

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** Sara calls Rip out Rip on his constant exposition of messing with the timeline despite the fact that that is exactly why he recruited them in the first place.



* IChooseToStay: Played with. Sara decided to stay in 2046 against Rip's wishes to stop Grant Wilson and his pals, but Rip ultimately decided to have TheTeam help her.

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* IChooseToStay: IChooseToStay:
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Played with. Sara decided to stay in 2046 against Rip's wishes to stop Grant Wilson and his pals, but Rip ultimately decided to have TheTeam help her.



** The new Green Arrow is John Diggle Jr. who goes by the name "Connor Hawke" who in the comics was Oliver's son.

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** The new Green Arrow is John Diggle Jr. who goes by the name "Connor Hawke" Hawke", who in the comics was Oliver's son.



** The trailers show the ruined Star City with the tag line: "You have failed this city."

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** The trailers show the ruined Star City with the tag line: tagline: "You have failed this city."



** Mick just [[Film/TheDarkKnight wants to see the world burn.]]

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** Mick just [[Film/TheDarkKnight wants to see the world burn.]]burn]].



** the insult Grant Wilson throws at Connor for being "a punk in a costume" is reminiscent of the ones Terry [=McGinnis=] gets in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond''.
** Grant Wilson's Deathstroke costume uses blues and grays instead of Slade's gold and orange. In the comics, Grant's Deathstroke-patterned costume as Ravager was predominantly blue and gray.
** Oliver's [[ArtificialLimbs prothetic arm]] is reminiscent of Roy's in the comics (though it Oliver's doesn't function as an ArmCannon).

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** the The insult Grant Wilson throws at Connor for being "a punk in a costume" is reminiscent of the ones Terry [=McGinnis=] gets in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond''.
** Grant Wilson's Deathstroke costume uses blues blue and grays gray instead of Slade's gold and orange. In the comics, Grant's Deathstroke-patterned costume as Ravager was predominantly blue and gray.
** Oliver's [[ArtificialLimbs prothetic arm]] is reminiscent of Roy's in the comics (though it Oliver's doesn't function as an ArmCannon).



'''Oliver:''' Either way, [[LegacyCharacter it's Green Arrow.]]

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'''Oliver:''' Either way, [[LegacyCharacter it's Green Arrow.]]Arrow]].



* ShipTease: Toyed with Ray, Jax and Kendra. ShipSink ensues pretty quickly, as Kendra makes it clear that she is not ready for something like this yet.

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* ShipTease: Toyed with Ray, Jax and Kendra. ShipSink ShipSinking ensues pretty quickly, as Kendra makes it clear that she is not ready for something like this yet.



** When asked where next, Rip says the question is "[[JustForFun/InspectorSpacetime not where, but when]]". Apparently he's a ''Series/{{Community}}'' fan.

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** When asked where they'll head to next, Rip says the question is "[[JustForFun/InspectorSpacetime not where, but when]]". Apparently he's a ''Series/{{Community}}'' fan.
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** Oliver knows who Kendra is due to the second annual {{Crossover}} with ''Series/TheFlash2014''.
** Barry did not show up due to disappearing in 2024.

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** Oliver knows who Kendra is due to the second annual {{Crossover}} with ''Series/TheFlash2014''.
events of “Legends of Today” and “Legends of Yesterday”.
** It is believed Barry did does not show up appear due to disappearing in 2024.his 2024 Crisis disappearance.



** Rip mentions in the PilotEpisode that the entire team has minimal effect to the timeline, yet Star City utterly descended to {{Dystopia}} with Oliver saying that Sara and Ray being there during the uprising could have been a game changer. Though Rip could have been talking about his era which is more than a hundred years into the future, making any damage from the legends being gone long over and done with. It is also pointed out that Ray and Sarah probably wouldn't have been able to change the outcome of the uprising, but Sarah nonetheless feels they could have made a difference.

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** Rip mentions in the PilotEpisode that the entire team has minimal effect to the timeline, yet Star City utterly descended to {{Dystopia}} with Oliver saying that Sara and Ray being there during the uprising could have been a game changer. Though Rip could have been talking about his era which is more than a hundred years into the future, making any damage from the legends Legends being gone long over and done with. It is also pointed out that Ray and Sarah probably wouldn't have been able to change the outcome of the uprising, but Sarah nonetheless feels they could have made a difference.
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** Snart mentions that, as bad as he is, he would never leave on of his teammates to die. This is in spite of the fact that in his premier episode Snart [[BadBoss callously murdered]] one of his men for trying to back out of a job and then told two others that he would hunt them down when he found him. Then again this may just be the difference between TrueCompanions and [[WhatMeasureIsAMook mooks]]

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** Snart mentions that, as bad as he is, he would never leave on one of his teammates to die. This is in spite of the fact that in his premier episode Snart [[BadBoss callously murdered]] one of his men for trying to back out of a job and then told two others that he would hunt them down when he found him. Then again this may just be the difference between TrueCompanions and [[WhatMeasureIsAMook mooks]]
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** Also played with with regards to Mick. He makes it very clear to Snart that he wants to stay in 2046 but Snart forcibly prevents this by knocking Mick out and taking him back to the Waverider.
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* ChekhovsGun: When Sara, Connor and Rip first dropped by to the Arrow Bunker, Sara sees an ArtificialArm lying around in a corner. The now handicapped Oliver will later use it after he regains his funk.

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* ChekhovsGun: When Sara, Connor and Rip first dropped by to the Arrow Bunker, Sara sees an ArtificialArm [[ArtificialLimbs prosthetic arm]] lying around in a corner. The now handicapped Oliver will later use it after he regains his funk.



** Oliver's ArtificialArm is reminiscent of Roy's in the comics (though it Oliver's doesn't function as an ArmCannon).

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** Oliver's ArtificialArm [[ArtificialLimbs prothetic arm]] is reminiscent of Roy's in the comics (though it Oliver's doesn't function as an ArmCannon).



-->'''Oliver:''' Nice shooting, John.
-->'''Connor:''' [[ThatManIsDead It's Connor!]]
-->'''Oliver:''' Either way, [[LegacyCharacter it's Green Arrow.]]

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-->'''Oliver:''' Nice shooting, John.
-->'''Connor:'''
John.\\
'''Connor:'''
[[ThatManIsDead It's Connor!]]
-->'''Oliver:'''
Connor!]]\\
'''Oliver:'''
Either way, [[LegacyCharacter it's Green Arrow.]]
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** Oliver missing an arm is the same as what happens to him in ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns.''

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** Oliver missing an arm is the same as what happens to him in ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns.''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns.''
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* BadassGrandpa: Oliver still looks and fights good at 61.

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It's not quite a high fashion item here, closer to The Apunkalypse wear.


* BadassLongcoat: Well it's a jacket, but the leader of the roaming gang wears a puffy fur coat of piecemeal pelts. Mick gets it when he takes over the gang.



* PrettyInMink: Mick is so pimp in his new fur coat.
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: For some reason no mention is made about Connor's sister, Sara (probably because she no longer exists after Flashpoint). Similarly, Grant's brother, Joey, is also not mentioned ([[AllThereInTheManual Possibly because a tie-in novel reveals he was killed shortly after Slade returned to Australia]]). And while Slade is mentioned by name, his ultimate fate and what relevance that has to Grant's motives are never revealed.

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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: For some reason no mention is made about Connor's sister, Sara (probably because she no longer exists after Flashpoint). Similarly, Grant's brother, Joey, is also not mentioned ([[AllThereInTheManual Possibly because a tie-in novel reveals he was killed shortly after Slade returned to Australia]]).mentioned. And while Slade is mentioned by name, his ultimate fate and what relevance that has to Grant's motives are never revealed.
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* ExtyYearsFromNow: The episode is set 30 years into the Franchise/{{Arrowverse}}'s current time.

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* ExtyYearsFromNow: The episode is set 30 years into the Franchise/{{Arrowverse}}'s Series/{{Arrowverse}}'s current time.
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: For some reason no mention is made about Connor's sister, Sara. Similarly, Grant's brother, Joey, is also not mentioned ([[AllThereInTheManual Possibly because a tie-in novel reveals he was killed shortly after Slade returned to Australia]]). And while Slade is mentioned by name, his ultimate fate and what relevance that has to Grant's motives are never revealed.

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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: For some reason no mention is made about Connor's sister, Sara.Sara (probably because she no longer exists after Flashpoint). Similarly, Grant's brother, Joey, is also not mentioned ([[AllThereInTheManual Possibly because a tie-in novel reveals he was killed shortly after Slade returned to Australia]]). And while Slade is mentioned by name, his ultimate fate and what relevance that has to Grant's motives are never revealed.
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Grant isn't killed, Connor shoots him with the cable arrow and Oliver knocks him out.


* AnnoyingArrows: Averted, one of these cuts through Wilson's armour and kills him (though he did survive the first one without much slowdown).

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