Members of the Corps
All hate the thought of war
They'd rather kill them off by peaceful means
Stop calling it 'aggression'
hate that expression!
We only want the world to know
That we support the status quo
They love us everywhere we go,
So when in doubt, send the marines!
And it's 1, 2, 3, what're we fighting for?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn
Next stop is Vietnam.
And it's 5, 6, 7, open up the pearly gates
Well there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! We're all gonna die
— "I-Feel-Like-I'm-Fixin'-To-Die Rag", Country Joe and the Fish
They crossed the water
Back in '69
They fought for glory
Behind the enemy lines
Fighting for the nations
Pushed into the war
Without not even knowing why
Or what they're fighting for
They're sending me to Vietnam. It's this whole other country.
You got us in this mess, and now you can't get us out, because you don't know where the hell you're going, do you? Do you?!
In February of 1965, in order to get Hanoi to the negotiating table, with heavy heart I ordered my bombers to strike North Vietnam. This strategy proved in many ways successful. But it did not get Hanoi to the negotiating table.
In July of 1966, in order to get Hanoi to the negotiating table, with sombre dismay I order my bombers to strike Hanoi and Haiphong. This strategy proved in many ways effective. But it did no get Hanoi to the negotiating table.
In January of 1967, in order to get Hanoi to the negotiating table, with mainfest sobriety I ordered my bombers to take out China's nuclear capability. This strategy proved in many ways fruitful, but it did not get Hanoi to the negotiating table.
In July of 1967, in order to get Hanoi to the negotiating table, with the agony of power I ordered my bombers to strike Peking. Now at this very moment, my missiles are reluctantly alerted for Moscow.
Let me warn Hanoi — My restraint is not inexhaustible.
Otto: Shut up
. We didn't lose Vietnam. It was a tie
I'm tellin' ya baby, they kicked your little ass there. Boy, they whooped yer hide REAL GOOD.
Vietnam, to this day, is far removed from the manner of civilization westerners are accustomed to. Many of the country's populace either reside in or have ties to tribal roots. It is a culture that lies in the midst of the old and the modern.
The Indochina Conflict was a struggle for the independence of a people. The Vietnam War was a continuance of world politics
imposing itself on the Vietnamese.
The draft is white people sending black people to make war on the yellow people to defend the land they stole from the red people!
"Bomb the village
Kill the people
Throw some napalm in the square
Do it on a Sunday morning
Kill them on their way to prayer
Ring the bell inside the schoolhouse
Watch the kiddies gather round
Lock and load with your 240
Mow them little motherfuckers down
— "Napalm Sticks to Kids" - US Army Military Cadence during the Vietnam War
He fired at it [the baby] with a .45. He missed. We all laughed. He got up three or four feet closer and missed again. We laughed. Then he got up right on top and plugged him.
— Transcript of the Court Martial for the My Lai Massacre
Private Robert Maples
: Calley and Meadlo were firing at the people. They were firing into the hole. I saw Meadlo firing into the hole. Interrogator
: Well, tell me, what was so remarkable about Meadlo that made you remember him? RM
: He was firing and crying. I
: He was pointing his weapon away from you and then you saw tears in his eyes? RM
— Transcript of the Court Martial for the My Lai Massacre
: So you fired something like sixty-seven shots? Paul Meadlo
: Right. Wallace
: And you killed how many? At that time? Meadlo
: Well, I fired them automatic, so you canít- You just spray the area on them and so you canít know how many you killed Ďcause they were going fast. So I might have killed ten or fifteen of them. Wallace
: Men, women, and children? Meadlo
: Men, women, and children. Wallace
: And babies? Meadlo
: And babies.
— Interview with Meadlo on CBS News
'It became necessary to destroy the town to save it,' a United States major said today. He was talking about the decision by allied commanders to bomb and shell the town regardless of civilian casualties, to rout the Vietcong.
— Journalist Peter Arnett in The New York Times
We took space back quickly, expensively, with total panic and close to maximum brutality. Our machine was devastating. And versatile. It could do everything but stop.
—Journalist Michael Herr, Dispatches
We sure liberated the hell
out of this place.
— Attributed to an anonymous soldier, on a village destroyed during a firefight
Well, the Oriental doesn't put the same high price on life as does a Westerner. Life is plentiful, life is cheap in the Orient. And as the... philosophy of the Orient expresses it, life is... is not important.
— General William Westmoreland, in the documentary Hearts and Minds (1974)
The North Vietnamese used their armed forces the way a bull-fighter uses his cape ó to keep us lunging in areas of marginal political importance.
If you want to, go ahead and fight in the jungles of Vietnam... Perhaps the Americans will be able to stick it out for a little longer [than the French], but eventually they will have to quit too.
The Vietnamese people deeply love independence, freedom and peace. But in the face of United States aggression they have risen up, united as one man.
— Ho Chi Minh
In the final analysis, it's their
war: they're the ones who have to win it or lose it.
People in the United States happen to believe that the United States policy is wrong in Vietnam and the Viet Cong are correct in wanting to organise their country in their own way politically. This happens to be pretty much the opinion of western Europe and many other parts of the world. If it is a novelty in Chicago
, that is too bad, but I assume that the point of the American democracy is that you can express any point of view you wanted— William F. Buckley: And some people are pro-Nazi, too.
— 1968 televised debate
How do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam? How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?
— John Kerry, addressing a U.S. Senate subcommittee in April, 1971
How are you, GI Joe? It seems to me that most of you are poorly informed about the going of the war, to say nothing about a correct explanation of your presence over here. Nothing is more confused than to be ordered into a war to die or to be maimed for life without the faintest idea of what's going on.
— North Vietnamese propaganda broadcast directed at US troops
Television brought the brutality of war into the comfort of the living room. Vietnam was lost in the living rooms of America—not on the battlefields of Vietnam.
Tonight, back in more familiar surroundings in New York, we'd like to sum up our findings in Vietnam, an analysis that must be speculative, personal, subjective. Who won and who lost in the great Tet offensive against the cities? I'm not sure.
The Vietcong did not win by a knockout, but neither did we. The referees of history may make it a draw. Another standoff may be coming in the big battles expected south of the Demilitarized Zone. Khesanh could well fall, with a terrible loss in American lives, prestige and morale, and this is a tragedy of our stubbornness there; but the bastion no longer is a key to the rest of the northern regions, and it is doubtful that the American forces can be defeated across the breadth of the DMZ with any substantial loss of ground. Another standoff.
On the political front, past performance gives no confidence that the Vietnamese government can cope with its problems, now compounded by the attack on the cities. It may not fall, it may hold on, but it probably won't show the dynamic qualities demanded of this young nation. Another standoff.
We have been too often disappointed by the optimism of the American leaders, both in Vietnam and Washington, to have faith any longer in the silver linings they find in the darkest clouds. They may be right, that Hanoi's winter-spring offensive has been forced by the Communist realization that they could not win the longer war of attrition, and that the Communists hope that any success in the offensive will improve their position for eventual negotiations. It would improve their position, and it would also require our realization, that we should have had all along, that any negotiations must be that — negotiations, not the dictation of peace terms.
For it seems now more certain than ever that the bloody experience of Vietnam is to end in a stalemate. This summer's almost certain standoff will either end in real give-and-take negotiations or terrible escalation; and for every means we have to escalate, the enemy can match us, and that applies to invasion of the North, the use of nuclear weapons, or the mere commitment of one hundred, or two hundred, or three hundred thousand more American troops to the battle. And with each escalation, the world comes closer to the brink of cosmic disaster.
To say that we are closer to victory today is to believe, in the face of the evidence, the optimists who have been wrong in the past. To suggest we are on the edge of defeat is to yield to unreasonable pessimism. To say that we are mired in stalemate seems the only realistic, yet unsatisfactory, conclusion. On the off chance that military and political analysts are right, in the next few months we must test the enemy's intentions, in case this is indeed his last big gasp before negotiations.
But it is increasingly clear to this reporter that the only rational way out then will be to negotiate, not as victors, but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy, and did the best they could.
This is Walter Cronkite.
— Walter Cronkite
Hey! Hey! LBJ
! How many kids did you kill today?
— Anti-War Protest Chant
If America's soul becomes totally poisoned, part of the autopsy must read: Vietnam.
— Martin Luther King
Mr. McNamara, You must never have read a history book. If you'd had, you'd know we weren't pawns of the Chinese or the Russians.
McNamara, didn't you know that? Don't you understand that we have been fighting the Chinese for 1000 years
? We were fighting for our independence. And we would fight to the last man. And we were determined to do so. And no amount of bombing, no amount of U.S. pressure would ever have stopped us.
—Thach, former Foreign Minister of Vietnam, 1995
What makes us omniscient? Have we a record of omniscience? ...None of our allies supported us. Not Japan, not Germany, not Britain or France. If we can't persuade nations with comparable values of the merit of our cause, we'd better reexamine our reasoning.
—Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, in the documentary The Fog of War (2003)
We believed we were there for a high moral purpose. But somehow our our idealism was lost, our morals corrupted, and the purpose forgotten.
—Phillip Caputo, Rumor of War
We cannot commit a crime. It's contradiction in terms
. Anything we do is by necessity not only right, but noble. Therefore, there can't be a crime... Almost nobody, including me, dared to criticize the U.S. attack on South Vietnam. That's like talking Hittite. Nobody even understood the words. They still don't.
Nationalist triumphalism was shunned and discredited in America after Vietnam. We were forced to see ourselves as others saw us, and it was not always pleasant. We understood, at least for a moment, the lie. But the plague of nationalism was resurrected during the Reagan
years. It became ascendant with the Persian Gulf War
, when we embraced the mythic and unachievable goal of a 'New World Order
.' The infection of nationalism now lies unchecked and blindly accepted in the march we make as a nation toward another war
, one as ill-conceived as the was we lost in southeast Asia.
— Chris Hedges, War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning