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Not So Different: Real Life

  • See also Hypocritical Fandom.
  • Homophobia and Het is Ew / No Bisexuals.
  • A Finnish proverb: Every generation thinks that it is more intelligent than its parents and more wise than its children.
    • Similarly, a French saying: The more things change, the more they stay the same. For all the advancements and events in human history, certain constants remain persistent to remind us that we're not as different from our ancestors as we sometimes like to believe.
  • As noted on Blue and Orange Morality, avid hunters and animal rights groups cannot really comprehend each others points of view, yet both groups are some of the strongest and most vocal supporters of conservationism. Both groups are largely comprised of people who like to roam around nature, and will leap into action if a natural habitat is about to be destroyed.
    • Also tied to Blue and Orange Morality, this can arguably extend to humanity in general. For all of mankind's diversity and similarities, one commonality most people seem to share is to argue and fight as much over the same things as over differences, often unable to see eye-to-eye on what those same things mean.
  • Sometimes remarked upon as France and England. Both have Barbarian/Germanic origins for their cultures, with massive amounts of immigration. Both have had periods of complete military dominance. Both at one point had Normans in its landmass. Both have seen their countries invaded and desolated, be it the Romans or the Nazis, and their languages have evolved so closely that words such as 'regard' and 'W.C' mean exactly the same thing. It's almost as if the two countries are so similar as to be defensive of each other to outsiders...
    • France doesn't have "Barbarian/Germanic origins for [its] culture", since it's Romance. The first historian who actually emitted the hypothesis that the first Franks might have been Germanic instead of Trojan got thrown into the Bastille for insult to the Crown. The invasion by Franks (mostly under Clovis around 500) and that of William (1066) are comparable in certain respects, but they wildly differ regarding the cultural impact of the invaders (on one side romanized Germanics invading Romans, that is invaders being aware of their alleged cultural inferiority and integrating virtually immediately ; on the other Gallicized Viking herding French troops invading Germanics, you know how it went). It should be noted that France actually never undergone a massive amount of immigration between the Neolithic and the 20th century. Not even Britain, even though Angles drove out something like 100k/200k Britons.
  • The "Communist Rules for Revolution" conspiracy theory in America and the "Dulles' Doctrine" conspiracy theory in Russia are almost mirror images of each other. Each side of the Cold War was thinking the other side is secretly corrupting their young, spreading sex and vanity and undermining the nation's salt-of-the-earth ruggedness.
    • Weirdly, after a terrorist attack, then-Prime-Minister Vladimir Putin held a furious speech denouncing the terrorists as human animals. The last one before him to use the statement in a public speech had been Heinrich Himmler, and he had been insulting Russians, of all people.
    • During The Fifties, there were two men named "Joseph" who conducted Witch Hunts against anyone suspected of being subversive. One had the last name "McCarthy" and the other "Stalin". Granted, Stalin was much worse, but he had more power. Who knows what McCarthy might have been like if he'd been an absolute dictator instead of a lowly senator.
    • And, of course, there are the remarkable parallels between The Vietnam War and the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan. In fact, a lot of Cold War foreign policy. The communists may have propped up the likes of Ho Chi Minh and Kim Il-sung, but the West did the same thing for various Latin American dictators.
  • We love to demonize certain companies for doing business practices...however, many other companies do the exact same things .
  • Victim mentality. Because we're the poor innocent victims, we use this as justification on doing whatever we want - even if it's Not So Different than the people we claim to be victimized by. It only gets worse when both sides each claim to be the real victims at the hands of the other side...Basically when the abused turn abusive.
  • Over 2000 years separate us from the Roman Empire but there are records of elders in the community feeling that the young people of that era had no respect for the generation that came before them. Sound familiar? Every previous generation has people who think the current generation is ruining everything they accomplished and have no respect for authority, when we young people today get old, some of us may feel the same way. The cycle never ends.
    • There are two famous quotes attributed to Socrates regarding young people, and stop us if any of this sounds familiar:

    The children now love luxury above all else. They have bad manners, contempt for authority, they show disrespect to their elders. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up treats at the table, cross their legs and are tyrants over their teachers.

    The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for parents or other elders. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as if they alone knew everything and what passes for wisdom with us (the older generations) is foolishness to them. As for girls they are forward, immodest and unladylike in speech, behavior and dress.
    • One person said something similar: "I bet you anything that if we had the internet in the seventies, the depression-era adults would be saying this exact same thing about the baby boomers, calling them the "Me" generation.
  • It isn't uncommon for veterans of war to lack a sense of hatred for the opposing side that was his enemy during the conflict. Somewhere deep down inside they realize that if fate had been less cruel and they had met under different circumstances they could have been friends, and that even if they couldn't be friends they were only doing their jobs in order to win the war so they can get back to their friends and families. All soldiers are human after all, with all the associated feelings of love, kindness, and wisdom you would expect out of a normal person, and would just like to move on with their lives.
    • Warrior Code is this trope embodied. The existence of a warrior code distinguishes warriors from murderers, psychopaths and criminals - and sociopathic soldiers.
  • Given the current political and economic situation in America, it's not uncommon for many to see both parties as this, especially in the 2012 election. And that is all we'll say about this.
  • This article on Cracked points out the surprising similarities between Gangstas and Rednecks.
  • Inverted. Both Chester Nimitz and Karl Dönitz were admirals of their respective armies. Despite their similarities, Nimitz sympathized with Dönitz and defended him in court when he was accused on wartime crimes in the Nuremberg Trial 1946, saying that he too waged unrestricted tonnage war in Pacific, and that there was nothing he hadn't done what Dönitz was accused of. Dönitz finally got ten years imprisonment. Many Allied admirals agreed with Nimitz and protested about this situation, claiming that Dönitz was innocent.
  • Inverted. A few gangsters in the era before prohibition refused to deal in the newer forms of crime. The police even sympathized with them when they were killed off by subordinates who had far less scruples.
  • Subverted in Feminism as they are at least ten subtypes and at least one major riff between Radical and Liberal feminists. Is feminism about equality or "the eraser of gender as a class"?
  • In the extremes of both sides of the whole religious vs atheism/antireligious thing, they basically do nothing but preach to people who already believe what they do (who are the only ones who will listen oftentimes) and go out of their way to alienate the people they purport to want to save.
    • On a similar note, philospher Kwame Anthony Appiah observed how universalists can ironically be just as intolerant and hypocritical as the fervent nationalists they despise. And on that note, how Islamic fundamentalists are hauntingly similar to their secular, globally-minded idealist "rivals;" both groups for instance want to make the world a better place and help their fellow man...under various interpretations of those words.
  • The Blue Code of Silence, in which police officers resist testifying against each other, is sometimes compared to the Mafia's Omerta code of silence.
  • One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Likewise, one man's Resistance is another man's Remnant.
  • Many nations during the First World War used propaganda as a means to encourage men to take up arms, Britain being one of them, claiming it to be a glorious sacrifice. These sentiments were echoed by Irish revolutionary Patrick Pearse (a sworn enemy of British rule in Ireland) who professed: "The old heart of the earth needs to be warmed with the red wine of the battlefields."
  • Watching or reading a story from another country. Values Dissonance aside, you can't help but feel this way when you find yourself laughing at the jokes and sympathizing with the characters.
  • Barack Obama criticized George W. Bush for the extremely long wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, being too secretive, keeping prisoners imprisoned without trial in violation of the US Constitution, and spying on Americans. He continued the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, increased the level of secrecy, continued to keep said prisoners imprisoned without trial, and expanded the domestic spying program.
    • Of course, that's only true if you assume that what Obama said to get elected are the same as what he actually believes, two things that are rarely the same for any politician in any democracy in the world. Which, funnily enough, is an example of Not So Different in of itself.
  • George W. Bush himself fell victim to this when stating conditions to Fidel Castro for lifting the embargo on Cuba, such as internationally monitored elections and freeing political prisoners being held without bail. Castro's response was, essentially, you first.
  • Quite often what happens in more extreme "rights" groups, where they essentially want all the perks with none of the bad that the "entitled group" is enjoying.
  • The so-called "Horseshoe Theory" in political science is this: the further one goes down the right or left towards their extreme ends, the more they start becoming eerily similar; pure Objectivism ala Bioshock for instance has been described as functionally the same as Marxism, albeit via unhindered capitalism.
  • This is also a common observation among more militant radicals such as fascists and their antifa rivals; in their efforts to propagate their respective causes and destroy their perceived enemies, they wind up committing many of the same acts as them.
  • Skylanders and Disney Infinity are both pretty Merchandise-Driven. On many internet forums (Especially Reddit), fans of the two are mocked for buying into said Merchandise-Driven aspect. Fans of both delight in pointing out that a lot of other fandoms and collectors essentially are the exact same as they are, especially if the person mocking them happens to be a collector themselves.
  • Social justice warriors and white nationalists have essentially identical views on maintaining cultural purity and racial segregation. Here is the case of a social justice warrior who actually reblogged a post on race to show that she agreed with it, only to later find out that it was written by a neo-Nazi. There's also this Reddit community where people try to guess whether a racist quote came from a social justice warrior or a white nationalist.
  • Conspiracy theories about The Illuminati are surprisingly flexible. Although the Illuminati is always planning to establish a totalitarian One World Order, its political/religious alignment varies wildly and always just happens to be the opposite of your views. That is to say, if you're Marxist the Illuminati is controlled by arch-capitalists and if you're a Christian fundamentalist then it's controlled by Satanists. It would seem that people with completely different and sometimes opposite views all see their political opponents in such an identical way that they can target the same conspiracy theory at them.
  • Both conservatives and anarchists want freedom, how this freedom is and where this freedom goes is different.
  • Both radical feminists and MRM are after the same thing from the other side and against the opposing sides entitlements.
  • Racial seperatists want individuality for races but not individuals, leftists want indivudual indivduality for the betterment of society.
  • This article examines the special effects from the Star Wars franchise, focusing on the backlash against the use of CGI throughout the Prequel Trilogy, noting that the methods used are ultimately not that different from those of the Original Trilogy.
    "We live in a time when storytellers can tell any story and it generally amazes me there are people who cross their arms and want to go back to a time that never really existed. The thesis that limitations lead to genius is just flat-out illogical. If we gave The Beatles crappier guitars or we gave your new favorite band vintage equipment, would they make better music? No. They would make music with the tools at their disposal. The anti-CGI discourse needs to end."
  • George Orwell over time became fond of pointing out how polar-opposite ideologues are more similar then they realize.
    "The Catholic and the Communist are alike in assuming that an opponent cannot be both honest and intelligent."
  • Radical Feminist and traditionalists of all types have a bunch of laws and rules all women must follow otherwise all the other women will look bad, whether it's "don't do'thing which may have caused others harm" or "dress modestly in Christian/God's name". Radical feminism is "woman as a class have to work together" and traditionalists see women as having a precise role in society.
  • Stop being so offended, person is then offended by a fact of life, this is both traditionalist/social justice warrior reactions.
  • Both anti and pro gays wants the other side to stop talking about and openly expressing their opinions.
  • For all the buzzwords and developments, the 21st Century is shaping up to be reminiscent of the late 19th-early 20th Centuries (eg. The Edwardian Era) in a number of surprising if unsettling ways. Whether it's in advancements in technology, familiar rhetoric around things like globalization or progress and more ominously, the presence of hotspots that could flare up with unpredictable results. Like a certain crisis gone horribly wrong in 1914.

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