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* Fans of ''Franchise/{{Digimon}}'' seem to be obsessed with Ruki, from the ''[[Anime/DigimonTamers Tamers]]'' season, even coming to claim her to be better than those "[[RealWomenDontWearDresses lame girly girls]]" like Sora and Mimi just because she's rude and unemotional at the start of the series. People often accuse the latter part of Tamers of being sexist for having Ruki turn into a soft and caring person...Despite the anime strongly suggesting that that was her TRUE form all along, and that her "Ice Queen" persona she was at the start was just a mask she used to hide her insecurities with. Ruki still remains gender non-conforming even after her character development, keeping her punk fashion and [[spoiler: even growing up to become a motorcycle stuntwoman in the 2017 drama CD]].
* ''Franchise/DragonBall'':
** The entire “Goku is a bad dad” and “Piccolo is the best parent and Gohan’s real father” discourse is probably the biggest case of this in the franchise (aided of course by Creator/TeamFourStar). While Goku certainly isn’t the most attentive parent, he’s consistently portrayed as loving and caring to Gohan and Goten yet his NeverLiveItDown moment of giving Cell the Senzu bean before the latter fought Gohan is constantly brought up against him by fans even though his reasoning that Cell needed to push Gohan to the limit to unleash Gohan’s NextTierPowerUp was ultimately right. Not to mention both Goku’s deaths in story were him giving his life up for Gohan, but a lot of the fanbase still see him as an awful parent. Even the arguments from fans that Piccolo is the pinnacle of parenting in the series are false as while he’s more attentive, by real life standards Piccolo’s caretaker skills are absolutely horrendous as he put 4 year old Gohan through TrainingFromHell and decades later in ''Anime/DragonBallSuperSuperHero'' he puts Gohan’s 3 year old daughter Pan in mortal danger ''just to get Gohan back the gear!'' In fact the climax has Pan almost be killed by Cell Max’s dying blast and only survives due to learning to fly JustInTime, even though she didn’t need to be anywhere near the battlefield in the first place. Basically the fanbase admonishes Goku for exactly what Piccolo does repeatedly yet the Namekian never gets as much heat for it.

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* Fans of ''Franchise/{{Digimon}}'' seem to be obsessed with Ruki, Ruki from the ''[[Anime/DigimonTamers Tamers]]'' ''Anime/DigimonTamers'' season, even coming to claim her to be better than those "[[RealWomenDontWearDresses "[[RealWomenDontWearDresses lame girly girls]]" like Sora and Mimi just because she's rude and unemotional at the start of the series. People often accuse the latter part of Tamers ''Tamers'' of being sexist for having Ruki turn into a soft and caring person...Despite the anime strongly suggesting that that was her TRUE form self all along, and that her "Ice Queen" persona she was at the start was just a mask she used to hide her insecurities with. Ruki still remains gender non-conforming even after her character development, keeping her punk fashion and [[spoiler: even [[spoiler:even growing up to become a motorcycle stuntwoman in the 2017 drama CD]].
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** The entire “Goku "Goku is a bad dad” dad" and “Piccolo "Piccolo is the best parent and Gohan’s Gohan's real father” father" discourse is probably the biggest case of this in the franchise series (aided of course by Creator/TeamFourStar). While Goku certainly isn’t the most attentive parent, he’s consistently portrayed as loving and caring to Gohan and Goten yet his NeverLiveItDown moment of giving Cell the Senzu bean before the latter fought Gohan is constantly brought up against him by fans even though his reasoning that Cell needed to push Gohan to the limit to unleash Gohan’s Gohan's NextTierPowerUp was ultimately right. Not to mention both Goku’s Goku's deaths in story were him giving his life up for Gohan, but a lot of the fanbase still see him as an awful parent. Even the arguments from fans that Piccolo is the pinnacle of parenting in the series are false as while he’s more attentive, by real life standards Piccolo’s Piccolo's caretaker skills are absolutely horrendous as he put 4 year old Gohan through TrainingFromHell and decades later in ''Anime/DragonBallSuperSuperHero'' he puts Gohan’s Gohan's 3 year old daughter Pan in mortal danger ''just to get Gohan back the gear!'' In fact the climax has Pan almost be killed by Cell Max’s Max's dying blast and only survives due to learning to fly JustInTime, even though she didn’t didn't need to be anywhere near the battlefield in the first place. Basically the fanbase admonishes Goku for exactly what Piccolo does repeatedly yet the Namekian never gets as much heat for it.



* ''VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry'':
** A lot of fans seem to dislike whenever nothing "scary" or gory happens. They're completely missing the point of the series. We're supposed to be ''happy'' that there is nothing wrong and that everyone can just go on with their lives. In fact, the authors of the ''Higurashi'' visual novels were heavily influenced by Key's Visual Novels such as ''VisualNovel/{{Kanon}}'', which work by contrasting simple, happy scenes which build up to plot twists and extremely emotional sad scenes, and were very effective at bringing players to tears. Higurashi's authors adopted a similar pattern of happy scenes and horror scenes to give the horror more impact: hence, the happy parts are integral to the overall horror effect.

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** A lot of fans seem to dislike whenever nothing "scary" or gory happens. They're completely missing the point of the series. We're supposed to be ''happy'' that there is nothing wrong and that everyone can just go on with their lives. In fact, the authors of the ''Higurashi'' visual novels were heavily influenced by Key's Visual Novels such as ''VisualNovel/{{Kanon}}'', ''Anime/{{Kanon}}'', which work by contrasting simple, happy scenes which build up to plot twists and extremely emotional sad scenes, and were very effective at bringing players to tears. Higurashi's authors adopted a similar pattern of happy scenes and horror scenes to give the horror more impact: hence, the happy parts are integral to the overall horror effect.



* In ''Franchise/JoJosBizarreAdventure'', there are a lot of literal KickTheDog moments, the most known ones being Dio killing Danny (Jonathan's dog) and the death of Iggy (the TeamPet of Part 3). A lot of fans joke that Araki dislikes dogs, when it's quite the opposite: Araki likes dogs and added the KickTheDog moments to make it clear the ones that harm the dog is a HateSink. At least the fans got that one right...

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* In ''Franchise/JoJosBizarreAdventure'', ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'', there are a lot of literal KickTheDog moments, the most known ones being Dio killing Danny (Jonathan's dog) and the death of Iggy (the TeamPet of [[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventureStardustCrusaders Part 3).3]]). A lot of fans joke that Araki dislikes dogs, when it's quite the opposite: Araki likes dogs and added the KickTheDog moments to make it clear the ones that harm the dog is a HateSink. At least the fans got that one right...



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** In a cross-media example, there's the Ash vs. Red debate. Ash is anything but a perfect Trainer, even to this day, but the self-insert status of Red has encouraged many fans to demand the same level of virtual flawlessness from Ash, ignoring the fact that Ash's world has a far different and more difficult take on the Pokémon League than the games. They completely ignore Ash's accomplishments and qualities while playing up Red's. It's the most evident when comparing the [[Anime/PokemonTheSeries main anime series]] to ''Anime/PokemonOrigins'': even though that version of Red relied on largely the same cliches and PlotArmor that Ash does, he got off far easier with fans because of his "cooler" aesthetic and the fact that he won the League on his first try.

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** In a cross-media example, there's the Ash vs. Red debate. Ash is anything but a perfect Trainer, even to this day, but the self-insert status of Red has encouraged many fans to demand the same level of virtual flawlessness from Ash, ignoring the fact that Ash's world has a far different and more difficult take on the Pokémon League than the games. They completely ignore Ash's accomplishments and qualities while playing up Red's. It's the most evident when comparing the [[Anime/PokemonTheSeries [[Anime/PokemonTheOriginalSeries main anime series]] to ''Anime/PokemonOrigins'': even though that version of Red relied on largely the same cliches and PlotArmor that Ash does, he got off far easier with fans because of his "cooler" aesthetic and the fact that he won the League on his first try.
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* In ''Franchise/JoJosBizarreAdventure'', there are a lot of literal KickTheDog moments, the most known ones being Dio killing Danny (Jonathan's dog) and the death of Iggy (the TeamPet of Part 3). A lot of fans joke that Araki dislikes dogs, when it's quite the opposite: Araki likes dogs and added the KickTheDog moments to make it clear the ones that harm the dog is a HateSink. At least the fans got that one right...
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* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' offers an example that [[{{Anvilicious}} beats the readers/viewers in the head with its message]], but it's still missed by a good portion of the fandom. [[spoiler:Roy Mustang [[CurbStompBattle destroying Envy in the most painful way possible]] isn't supposed to be enjoyed by the audience. Envy is a psychopath who [[KickTheSonOfABitch had it coming]] for killing Hughes, and other characters like Riza and Edward do agree that Envy deserves to die. But the audience is supposed to be [[HeWhoFightsMonsters worrying for Mustang's sanity]], since he's coming dangerously close to JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope and [[YouAreWhatYouHate becoming what he hates]]. Killing Envy to avenge Hughes would completely destroy Roy's lifelong dream to purify the country/military and atone for the sins of the Ishvalan War. As such, the intended message of Roy's assault on Envy was that VengeanceFeelsEmpty. However, a few fans either A) missed the point of the scene, or B) got the point but didn't care. The ''Brotherhood'' anime clears this up a bit with the way the voices sound: Roy's tone is that of a savage madman who has completely lost his mind, and Envy sounds like a terrified ten-year-old child while Mustang burns them alive.]] Despite all of the above, some fans still insist that this is a badass moment, cheering at the nightmare of circumstances which led to it, and getting angry at people who point out how terrible the whole situation became. Even to this day, the argument still goes on. The source for this very page now includes a request to not make any more justifying edits, since we're tired of all the arguing and we're not looking to start any more fights.

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* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' offers an example that [[{{Anvilicious}} beats the readers/viewers in the head with its message]], but it's still missed by a good portion of the fandom. [[spoiler:Roy Mustang [[CurbStompBattle destroying Envy in the most painful way possible]] isn't supposed to be enjoyed by the audience. Envy is a psychopath who [[KickTheSonOfABitch had it coming]] coming for killing Hughes, and other characters like Riza and Edward do agree that Envy deserves to die. But the audience is supposed to be [[HeWhoFightsMonsters worrying for Mustang's sanity]], since he's coming dangerously close to JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope and [[YouAreWhatYouHate becoming what he hates]]. Killing Envy to avenge Hughes would completely destroy Roy's lifelong dream to purify the country/military and atone for the sins of the Ishvalan War. As such, the intended message of Roy's assault on Envy was that VengeanceFeelsEmpty. However, a few fans either A) missed the point of the scene, or B) got the point but didn't care. The ''Brotherhood'' anime clears this up a bit with the way the voices sound: Roy's tone is that of a savage madman who has completely lost his mind, and Envy sounds like a terrified ten-year-old child while Mustang burns them alive.]] Despite all of the above, some fans still insist that this is a badass moment, cheering at the nightmare of circumstances which led to it, and getting angry at people who point out how terrible the whole situation became. Even to this day, the argument still goes on. The source for this very page now includes a request to not make any more justifying edits, since we're tired of all the arguing and we're not looking to start any more fights.



** Regarding [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheMovieRebellion the movie]], many fans support Homura's actions in the ending, [[spoiler: namely, usurping Madoka, [[GodOfEvil becoming a devil]], [[KickTheSonOfABitch and enslaving the entire Incubator species]]]], particularly among those who argued that [[EsotericHappyEnding the original series' ending wasn't all that happy upon closer inspection]], despite the fact that Homura herself calls those acts evil. Perhaps some good came of her decision, but it's a stretch to call it a good decision.

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** Regarding [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheMovieRebellion the movie]], many fans support Homura's actions in the ending, [[spoiler: namely, usurping Madoka, [[GodOfEvil becoming a devil]], [[KickTheSonOfABitch and enslaving the entire Incubator species]]]], species]], particularly among those who argued that [[EsotericHappyEnding the original series' ending wasn't all that happy upon closer inspection]], despite the fact that Homura herself calls those acts evil. Perhaps some good came of her decision, but it's a stretch to call it a good decision.
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** Sanji’s WouldNeverHurtAGirl chivalry is constantly brought up against him by fans. There’s many articles going on about how sexist and toxically masculine it is as well as how stupidly Sanji puts his life in jeopardy from female villains due to it. Yet putting aside the fact other characters such as Zoro are also guilty of holding back against women, the actual fault lays not with Sanji but with Zeff — his surrogate father and mentor — who hammered (figuratively and literally) this gendered mentality into Sanji’s head since he was 9 years old. While it can be possibly argued that Sanji took Zeff’s teachings too far, the old pirate cook never made that clear to his adoptee and just stated he would castrate Sanji and then kill himself if ever heard about Sanji hurting a woman. Essentially the fanbase deride Sanji for something he was forcefully conditioned into believing so strongly.

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** Sanji’s WouldNeverHurtAGirl Sanji’s WouldntHitAGirl chivalry is constantly brought up against him by fans. There’s many articles going on about how sexist and toxically masculine it is as well as how stupidly Sanji puts his life in jeopardy from female villains due to it. Yet putting aside the fact other characters such as Zoro are also guilty of holding back against women, the actual fault lays not with Sanji but with Zeff — his surrogate father and mentor — who hammered (figuratively and literally) this gendered mentality into Sanji’s head since he was 9 years old. While it can be possibly argued that Sanji took Zeff’s teachings too far, the old pirate cook never made that clear to his adoptee and just stated he would castrate Sanji and then kill himself if ever heard about Sanji hurting a woman. Essentially the fanbase deride Sanji for something he was forcefully conditioned into believing so strongly.

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** The entire “Goku is a bad dad” and “Piccolo is the best parent and Gohan’s real father” discourse is probably the biggest case of this in the franchise (aided of course by Creator/TeamFourStar). While Goku certainly isn’t the most attentive parent, he’s consistently portrayed as loving and caring to Gohan and Goten yet his NeverLiveItDown moment of giving Cell the Senzu bean before the latter fought Gohan is constantly brought up against him by fans even though his reasoning that Cell needed to push Gohan to the limit to unleash Gohan’s NextTierPowerUp was ultimately right. Not to mention both Goku’s deaths in story were him giving his life up for Gohan, but a lot of the fanbase still see him as an awful parent. Even the arguments from fans that Piccolo is the pinnacle of parenting in the series are false as while he’s more attentive, by real life standards Piccolo’s caretaker skills are absolutely horrendous as he put 4 year old Gohan through TrainingFromHell and decades later in ''Anime/DragonBallSuperSuperHero'' he puts Gohan’s 3 year old daughter Pan in mortal danger ''just to get Gohan back the gear!'' In fact the climax has Pan almost be killed by Cell Max’s dying blast and only survives due to learning to fly JustInTime, even though she didn’t need to be anywhere near the battlefield in the first place. Basically the fanbase admonishes Goku for exactly what Piccolo does repeatedly yet the Namekian never gets as much heat for it.



** A lot of the fanbase’s respective attitude towards Bulma and Chi-Chi is horribly eschewed. Bulma being a sexy scientist mom whose inventions generally help out the plot is endlessly beloved and her extensive character flaws forgiven, whilst Chi-Chi is frequently dunked on by the fans for being a WetBlanketWife and OverprotectiveMom who holds Gohan and Goku back as well as for being more “frumpy” compared to Bulma. While Chi-Chi like Goku isn’t an ideal parent, her wanting Gohan to have a proper education and life is completely valid as is her wanting Goku to get a job and not spend literally every day training and fighting — yet a lot fans hate her exactly for these [[HeroismWontPayTheBills realistic and frankly sympathetic wants]]. Bulma being seen as more likeable by fans is incredibly ironic since her actions actually paint her as a worse person than Chi-Chi ever was; case-in-point ''Anime/DragonBallSuperBroly'' and ''Anime/DragonBallSuperSuperHero'' reveals and shows in detail how Bulma has been collecting and hoarding the Dragon Balls to wish herself to be younger and more curvaceous. There’s people in the world of Dragon Ball like Chi-Chi struggling to get by but Bulma the millionaire is easily forgiven and idolised despite her clearly vain and selfish actions.



** The Saiyan race as a whole, specifically in the West. Saiyans are seen as sympathetic, cool {{Blood Knight}}s who were viciously murdered by their boss after they served him loyally for years. Although Frieza's actions in killing the Saiyans are indeed terrible, the Saiyans were still a bunch of space pirates who would be just as bad as Frieza if they did manage to overthrow him. In many ways, Frieza did the universe a favor driving them close to extinction.

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** The Saiyan race as a whole, specifically in the West. Saiyans are seen as sympathetic, cool {{Blood Knight}}s who were viciously murdered by their boss after they served him loyally for years. Although Frieza's actions in killing the Saiyans are indeed terrible, the Saiyans were still a bunch of space pirates who would probably be just as bad as Frieza if they did manage to overthrow him. In many ways, Frieza arguably did the universe a favor favour driving them close to extinction.extinction. Now granted later tellings would include Saiyan characters such as Gine Goku’s mother who is completely innocent and didn’t definitely didn’t deserve that fate and media like ''VideoGame/DragonBallLegends'' reveal that the Saiyans were once genuinely heroic but were overthrown by the worst of their culture at the point King Cold found them — but obviously that wasn’t the original intention when Toriyama first created them. Goku was meant to be an anomaly within in their race rather than what they were supposed to be.



* ''Franchise/OnePiece'': The Marines are often played as evil by the fandom; the Marines are run by corrupt {{Jerk Ass}}es and {{Smug Super}}s, while the pirates are romanticized as freedom-loving people who want to live life to the fullest outside the law. For the most part, the Marines are portrayed as morally questionable, and several good pirate crews are seen (such as the Straw Hats). However, it is made clear that crews like the Straw Hats are exceptions. Several pirates are evil, cruel, and murderous, many of them infinitely worse than the Marines. For the most part, the Marines are at least trying to do the right thing, and want to protect people from pirates and other criminals. The dynamic between pirates and Marines is more a case of GreyAndGreyMorality, while fans tend to simplify it to pure Black and White.

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The Marines are often played as evil by the fandom; the Marines are run by corrupt {{Jerk Ass}}es and {{Smug Super}}s, while the pirates are romanticized as freedom-loving people who want to live life to the fullest outside the law. For the most part, the Marines are portrayed as morally questionable, and several good pirate crews are seen (such as the Straw Hats). However, it is made clear that crews like the Straw Hats are exceptions. Several pirates are evil, cruel, and murderous, many of them infinitely worse than the Marines. For the most part, the Marines are at least trying to do the right thing, and want to protect people from pirates and other criminals. The dynamic between pirates and Marines is more a case of GreyAndGreyMorality, while fans tend to simplify it to pure Black and White.White.
** Sanji’s WouldNeverHurtAGirl chivalry is constantly brought up against him by fans. There’s many articles going on about how sexist and toxically masculine it is as well as how stupidly Sanji puts his life in jeopardy from female villains due to it. Yet putting aside the fact other characters such as Zoro are also guilty of holding back against women, the actual fault lays not with Sanji but with Zeff — his surrogate father and mentor — who hammered (figuratively and literally) this gendered mentality into Sanji’s head since he was 9 years old. While it can be possibly argued that Sanji took Zeff’s teachings too far, the old pirate cook never made that clear to his adoptee and just stated he would castrate Sanji and then kill himself if ever heard about Sanji hurting a woman. Essentially the fanbase deride Sanji for something he was forcefully conditioned into believing so strongly.
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* Esdeath from ''Manga/{{Akame ga kill}}'' is a prime and rare female example of this. She is one, if not the most popular character of the series, despite the fact that she had commited various atrocities (just for fun, mind you) that would give her the death sentence. The anime in particular shows this by diluting her character, like making it so she over power her teigus corruption via sheer will rather than her insanity (which most of fandom belives, btw).

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* Esdeath from ''Manga/{{Akame ga kill}}'' is a prime and rare rather common female example of this. She is one, if not the most popular character of the series, despite the fact that she had commited various atrocities (just for fun, mind you) that would give her the death sentence. The anime in particular shows this by diluting her character, like making it so she over power her teigus corruption via sheer will rather than her insanity (which most of fandom belives, btw).
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* Esdeath from ''Manga/{{Akame ga kill}}'' is a prime and rare female example of this. She is one, if not the most popular character of the series, despite the fact that she had commited various atrocities (just for fun, mind you) that would give her the death sentence. The anime in particular shows this by diluting her character, like making it so she over power her teigus corruption via sheer will rather than her insanity (which most of fandom belives, btw).
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* A lot of people who read ''Anime/CellsAtWorkCodeBlack'' chapter 3 has misinterpret its message as being anti-masturbation, thanks to the {{Moe}} designs of the sperm cells (putting them in the same AdorablyPrecociousChild league as the Platelets), along with [=AA2153=]'s subsequent breakdown upon discovering that they're always going up against UncertainDoom and that there's a good chance the Red Blood Cell's efforts will be AllForNothing... except there's nothing in the chapter's text that suggests the case, especially since it's a natural occurrence that the body sometimes takes advantage of to clear out dead or weak cells that builds up over time. What also doesn't support this claim is that the chapter ends with [=U1196=] announcing that Gonorrhea has invaded the body (which becomes the focus of Chapter 4), something that can only happen from the host having unprotected sex with an infected partner.

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*** Himiko Toga's fans use her abusive childhood and her being forced to suppress her urge for blood to paint her as an innocent girl being hunted down like a Criminal. This is ignoring the fact that while she did suffer abuse, she still killed dozens of people and is actively working to up that number, with no remorse even until her [[spoiler: sacrifice in the FinalBattle]].
*** [[spoiler:Dabi is often characterized by fans as justified in his quest to kill his father Endeavor for his childhood neglect, genuinely caring for the other members of the League, and having moments of Empathy and kindness. This is despite the story's constant spotlight on how despite his tragic past and role of the OnlySaneMan and TheDragon within the league, underneath his MaskOfSanity he is an unhinged Lunatic who is incapable of feeling anything by his own admission. He cares nothing for anything that doesn't forward him toward murdering his whole family and any moment of emotion with the league is only to make them more useful towards that goal. And when pushed to his limit in the FinalBattle he turns himself into a human explosive, intending to wipe out his family, his own teammates, and the bunker full of Civillians nearby out of sheer spite.]]

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*** Himiko Toga's fans use her abusive childhood and her being forced to suppress her urge for blood to paint her as an innocent girl being hunted down like a Criminal. This is ignoring the fact that while she did suffer abuse, she still killed dozens of people and is actively working to up that number, with no remorse even until during her [[spoiler: sacrifice in the FinalBattle]].
*** [[spoiler:Dabi is often characterized by fans as justified in his quest to kill his father Endeavor for his childhood neglect, and genuinely caring for the other members of the League, and having moments of Empathy and kindness. League. This is despite the story's constant spotlight on how despite his tragic past and role of the OnlySaneMan and TheDragon within the league, underneath his MaskOfSanity he is an unhinged Lunatic who is incapable of feeling anything emotions other than hate by his own admission. He cares nothing for anything that doesn't forward him toward murdering his whole family and any moment of emotion with the league is only faked to make them more useful towards that goal. And when pushed to his limit in the FinalBattle he turns himself into a human explosive, intending to wipe out his family, his own teammates, and the bunker full of Civillians nearby out of sheer spite.]]]]
*** Tomura Shigaraki's goals are painted as a lot more noble than they actually are, with fans seeing him as trying to tear down society to aid the downtrodden, looking past the fact that all he really has as a plan is wide-scale [[OmnicidalManiac MassMurder]] to satisfy his rage and the psychological effects of his Quirk. [[spoiler: This got worse after [[BigBad All for One]] possessed him, with fans framing him as an innocent victim of All For One. This is despite his immediate affirmation after getting free that yes, he still wants to kill as many people as possible]].
** Endeavor has this both ways. On one hand you have people demonizing him as a complete monster, worse than the villains, and completely undeserving of his [[RedemptionQuest Redemption Arc]]. On the other you have fans who minimize his parental and child abuse as "Not that bad" and view the backlash he's gotten in and out of story as overblown.
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* ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia'':
** The League of Villains has a quite large fanbase who tend to root for them to win and overlook their many crimes, viewing them as [[TheWoobie Innocent victims of society]] rather than the psychotic group of criminals with Tragic pasts that they are.
*** Himiko Toga's fans use her abusive childhood and her being forced to suppress her urge for blood to paint her as an innocent girl being hunted down like a Criminal. This is ignoring the fact that while she did suffer abuse, she still killed dozens of people and is actively working to up that number, with no remorse even until her [[spoiler: sacrifice in the FinalBattle]].
*** [[spoiler:Dabi is often characterized by fans as justified in his quest to kill his father Endeavor for his childhood neglect, genuinely caring for the other members of the League, and having moments of Empathy and kindness. This is despite the story's constant spotlight on how despite his tragic past and role of the OnlySaneMan and TheDragon within the league, underneath his MaskOfSanity he is an unhinged Lunatic who is incapable of feeling anything by his own admission. He cares nothing for anything that doesn't forward him toward murdering his whole family and any moment of emotion with the league is only to make them more useful towards that goal. And when pushed to his limit in the FinalBattle he turns himself into a human explosive, intending to wipe out his family, his own teammates, and the bunker full of Civillians nearby out of sheer spite.]]
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* ''Literature/KonoSuba''[='s=] Kazuma has a large number of unironic fans, typically those who want to view the series as isekai wish fulfillment - ignoring (or conveniently overlooking) the fact that he's a proud {{NEET}} and UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist. A large number of these fans also take his rants about "gender equality" completely at face value and/or believe they have some merit to them, when in context, Kazuma used the line as a ''threat'' against some girls who were insulting him.

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* ''Literature/KonoSuba''[='s=] ''Literature/KonoSuba'' protagonist Kazuma has a large number of unironic fans, typically those fans who want to view the series as isekai WishFulfillment and thus view Kazuma as a character they wish fulfillment - they could be. This is ignoring (or conveniently overlooking) the fact that he's Kazuma is a proud {{NEET}} {{NEET}}, [[JerkWithAHeartOfJerk a shallow and UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist. petty jerk who is consistently shown to have little else beneath the surface]], and an UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist whom the audience is supposed to laugh at when bad things happen to him. A large number of these fans also take his rants about "gender equality" completely at face value and/or believe they have some merit to them, when in context, Kazuma used the line as a ''threat'' threat against some girls who were insulting him. In other words, the audience is supposed to laugh at him, not cheer for him.
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** ''Anime/GundamBuildDiversReRise'' had the InUniverse case of Kazami, who's a big fan of the ''Captain Zeon'' web show, hosted by a player who roleplays as a superhero and edits his battles into a full-on series. But the thing is, Kazami is a fan of watching Captain Zeon be an InvincibleHero, to the point of ''actively skipping'' any episode where he loses. As a result, he's missed every moral about determination, effort, and teamwork, and has grown into a selfish asshole with severe main character syndrome. It's really telling that his CharacterDevelopment only truly starts when he finally watches one of Captain Zeon's defeats in full.
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* In ''MyDressUpDarling'', the budding relationship between Gojo and Kitagawa has hooked plenty of fans who aren't very interested in the cosplaying portion of the story, this resulted in small circles of fans who grow annoyed when an arc takes long and detailed dives in the cosplay scene and its crafting process, clamoring for more romantic developments between Gojo and Kitagawa instead. Without sparing any words, such fans are simply misaimed in their view of what this series is about in the first place, the cosplaying aspect isn't just a backdrop for Gojo and Kitagawa's relationship, it very much is a main plot thread where the series author expresses her knowledge and liking of the cosplay hobby, it won't ever stop being on the forefront of the story.

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* In ''MyDressUpDarling'', ''Manga/MyDressUpDarling'', the budding relationship between Gojo and Kitagawa has hooked plenty of fans who aren't very interested in the cosplaying portion of the story, this resulted in small circles of fans who grow annoyed when an arc takes long and detailed dives in the cosplay scene and its crafting process, clamoring for more romantic developments between Gojo and Kitagawa instead. Without sparing any words, such fans are simply misaimed in their view of what this series is about in the first place, the cosplaying aspect isn't just a backdrop for Gojo and Kitagawa's relationship, it very much is a main plot thread where the series author expresses her knowledge and liking of the cosplay hobby, it won't ever stop being on the forefront of the story.
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* In ''MyDressUpDarling'', the budding relationship between Gojo and Kitagawa has hooked plenty of fans who aren't very interested in the cosplaying portion of the story, this resulted in small circles of fans who grow annoyed when an arc takes long and detailed dives in the cosplay scene and its crafting process, clamoring for more romantic developments between Gojo and Kitagawa instead. Without sparing any words, such fans are simply misaimed in their view of what this series is about in the first place, the cosplaying aspect isn't just a backdrop for Gojo and Kitagawa's relationship, it very much is a main plot thread where the series author expresses her knowledge and liking of the cosplay hobby, it won't ever stop being on the forefront of the story.
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* ''Literature/KonoSuba''[='s=] Kazuma has a large number of unironic fans, typically those who want to view the series as isekai wish fulfillment - ignoring (or conveniently overlooking) the fact that he's a proud {{NEET}} and UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist. A large number of these fans also take his rants about "gender equality" completely at face value and/or believe they have some merit to them, when the series makes it clear that Kazuma is a StrawMisogynist who only cares about equal rights when they let him punch women.

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* ''Literature/KonoSuba''[='s=] Kazuma has a large number of unironic fans, typically those who want to view the series as isekai wish fulfillment - ignoring (or conveniently overlooking) the fact that he's a proud {{NEET}} and UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist. A large number of these fans also take his rants about "gender equality" completely at face value and/or believe they have some merit to them, when the series makes it clear that in context, Kazuma is used the line as a StrawMisogynist ''threat'' against some girls who only cares about equal rights when they let him punch women.were insulting him.
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* Subaru of ''LightNovel/ReZero'' is in no way a StockLightNovelHero. He is instead his own character with his own feelings, personality, and flaws. He has no useful powers to use in combat and always got his ass handed to him, often in fatal ways. Initially, he was hated by the fanbase because they ''couldn't'' project themselves onto him, but later learned that projecting themselves onto him was never the point and soon grew to love him. However, he still does have several detractors, especially when it came to his interactions with the [[TheUnfairSex female characters]], and many of them dislike Subaru for how he treats them at his worst while putting them on pedestals and claiming they did nothing but be kind to him. Some even consider Subaru to be irredeemable and ignore that he is broken from what he's been put through. One [[https://youtu.be/r18P_uNI4AM Youtuber]] went on a rant-inducing slight on every horrible thing the female characters (sans [[NiceGirl Emilia]]) has ever done to Subaru.

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* Subaru of ''LightNovel/ReZero'' ''Literature/ReZero'' is in no way a StockLightNovelHero. He is instead his own character with his own feelings, personality, and flaws. He has no useful powers to use in combat and always got his ass handed to him, often in fatal ways. Initially, he was hated by the fanbase because they ''couldn't'' project themselves onto him, but later learned that projecting themselves onto him was never the point and soon grew to love him. However, he still does have several detractors, especially when it came to his interactions with the [[TheUnfairSex female characters]], and many of them dislike Subaru for how he treats them at his worst while putting them on pedestals and claiming they did nothing but be kind to him. Some even consider Subaru to be irredeemable and ignore that he is broken from what he's been put through. One [[https://youtu.be/r18P_uNI4AM Youtuber]] went on a rant-inducing slight on every horrible thing the female characters (sans [[NiceGirl Emilia]]) has ever done to Subaru.



* Hatoko's rant in episode 7 of ''LightNovel/WhenSupernaturalBattlesBecameCommonplace'' has been interpreted as a criticism of EvilIsCool. It's often cited out-of-context, accusing someone who likes "dark and egdy" stuff of being a KnowNothingKnowItAll, or poking fun at pseudo-intellectuals who "read things on the Internet" and use them to sound smart without knowing what they really mean. Actually, Hatoko was ranting at Andou because she genuinely didn't understand the things he was talking about, and was trying to connect with him but failing.

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* Hatoko's rant in episode 7 of ''LightNovel/WhenSupernaturalBattlesBecameCommonplace'' ''Literature/WhenSupernaturalBattlesBecameCommonplace'' has been interpreted as a criticism of EvilIsCool. It's often cited out-of-context, accusing someone who likes "dark and egdy" stuff of being a KnowNothingKnowItAll, or poking fun at pseudo-intellectuals who "read things on the Internet" and use them to sound smart without knowing what they really mean. Actually, Hatoko was ranting at Andou because she genuinely didn't understand the things he was talking about, and was trying to connect with him but failing.
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** On the other hand, a lot of young fans project themselves onto ''Ash'' and become furious that he never won a League until Alola, and demonize the characters who beat him fair and square (particularly Tobias and Alain) and often harshly criticize Ash’s relationship with his own Pokemon (namely, releasing them if they want it and not forcing evolution on them) in spite of this being a sign that Ash cares about his Pokémon and doesn’t treat them as mere tools. It also ignores that Ash was intentionally written by the [[Creator/TakeshiShudo original head writer]] as a [[YouthIsWastedOnTheDumb highly flawed kid]] who gets in way over his head and lacks the maturity to become a great Trainer, with his loss in the Indigo League, in hindsight, being heavily foreshadowed from the start. Unlike what these fans think, Ash’s flaws are not faults of the writing because he was always intended to be written that way, since a character without flaws who always wins would be very boring.
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** Some people decided to become pacifists after seeing or reading the series, when the series goes out of its way to point out Vash's beliefs are flawed, and Vash's entire arc is about him learning he needs to let go of his ideals because they're unhealthy and unsustainable, and only causing more suffering for himself and others. At the very end of the anime he even states "I will continue to believe in you but from now on I will look to my own words for guidance".

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** Some people decided to become pacifists after seeing or reading the series, when the series goes out of its way to point out Vash's beliefs are flawed, and Vash's entire arc is about him learning he needs to let go of his ideals because they're unhealthy and unsustainable, flawed and only causing more suffering for harm to himself and others. At the very end of the anime he even states "I will continue to believe in you you, but from now now on I will look to my own words for guidance".guidance".
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* ''LightNovel/KonoSuba''[='s=] Kazuma has a large number of unironic fans, typically those who want to view the series as isekai wish fulfillment—ignoring (or conveniently overlooking) the fact that he's a proud {{NEET}} and UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist.

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* ''LightNovel/KonoSuba''[='s=] ''Literature/KonoSuba''[='s=] Kazuma has a large number of unironic fans, typically those who want to view the series as isekai wish fulfillment—ignoring fulfillment - ignoring (or conveniently overlooking) the fact that he's a proud {{NEET}} and UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist.UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist. A large number of these fans also take his rants about "gender equality" completely at face value and/or believe they have some merit to them, when the series makes it clear that Kazuma is a StrawMisogynist who only cares about equal rights when they let him punch women.
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* ''Webcomic/OnePunchMan'' has attracted a large host of fans who like to argue about power levels and who can beat who. This is due to Saitama often being touted as the most powerful character in all of anime, or even all of fiction. However, this is missing the point of ''One-Punch Man'' - Saitama is supposed to be so powerful that ''no one'' will ever defeat him, and that is his curse. Saitama's strength is incalculable, with no one being strong enough to stand up against him to fully measure it, and due to his explanation of becoming that strong being a simple training regime, people are only limited into making hypotheses about how he, such as Dr. Genus' "breaking the limit" theory.

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* ''Webcomic/OnePunchMan'' has attracted a large host of fans who like to argue about power levels and who can beat who. This is due to Saitama often being touted as the most powerful character in all of anime, or even all of fiction. However, this is missing the point of ''One-Punch Man'' - Saitama is supposed to be so powerful that ''no one'' will ever defeat him, and that is his curse. Saitama's strength is incalculable, with no one being strong enough to stand up against him to fully measure it, and due to his explanation of becoming that strong being a simple training regime, people are only limited into making hypotheses about how he, he became that strong, such as Dr. Genus' "breaking the limit" theory.
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* ''Webcomic/OnePunchMan'' has attracted a large host of fans who like to argue about power levels and who can beat who. This is due to Saitama often being touted as the most powerful character in all of anime, or even all of fiction. However, this is missing the point of ''One-Punch Man'' - Saitama is supposed to be so powerful that ''no one'' will ever defeat him, and that is his curse. He is as strong as the narrative needs him to be, and his strength is limitless. A similar issue arises when discussing the Disaster Levels of monsters, since the Hero Association's Disaster Level system is known to be inherently flawed in-universe.

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* ''Webcomic/OnePunchMan'' has attracted a large host of fans who like to argue about power levels and who can beat who. This is due to Saitama often being touted as the most powerful character in all of anime, or even all of fiction. However, this is missing the point of ''One-Punch Man'' - Saitama is supposed to be so powerful that ''no one'' will ever defeat him, and that is his curse. He is as strong as the narrative needs him to be, and his Saitama's strength is limitless. A similar issue arises when discussing incalculable, with no one being strong enough to stand up against him to fully measure it, and due to his explanation of becoming that strong being a simple training regime, people are only limited into making hypotheses about how he, such as Dr. Genus' "breaking the Disaster Levels of monsters, since the Hero Association's Disaster Level system is known to be inherently flawed in-universe.limit" theory.
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** An InUniverse example happens when Degwin compares Gihren to Adolf Hitler in an attempt to get him to see how tyrannical he's become. Gihren, seemingly not having any idea of who Hitler was apart from a great conqueror, [[InsultBackfire takes it as a compliment]] and proudly proclaims himself "Hitler's follower".
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** Asuka is a huge EnsembleDarkhorse [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff in the West]] with many going as far as to say she's the only good character in the show because "she's not a [[{{Wangst}} whiny]] [[EmoTeen emo]] like the rest of the cast". However, they seem to forget that later on in the series she has a mental breakdown including the Trope Namer for MindRape showing she's secretly like Shinji and is [[DysfunctionJunction just as psychologically damaged as the rest of the cast]][[note]]which even during all this she is not a Whiny Emo, making this a poor example of the Trope in question[[/note]].

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* ''Franchise/OnePiece''
** Marines are often played as evil by the fandom; the Marines are run by corrupt {{Jerk Ass}}es and {{Smug Super}}s, while the pirates are romanticized as freedom-loving people who want to live life to the fullest outside the law. For the most part, the Marines are portrayed as morally questionable, and several good pirate crews are seen (such as the Straw Hats). However, it is made clear that crews like the Straw Hats are exceptions. Several pirates are evil, cruel, and murderous, many of them infinitely worse than the Marines. For the most part, the Marines are at least trying to do the right thing, and want to protect people from pirates and other criminals. The dynamic between pirates and Marines is more a case of GreyAndGreyMorality, while fans tend to simplify it to pure Black and White.

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''Franchise/OnePiece'': The Marines are often played as evil by the fandom; the Marines are run by corrupt {{Jerk Ass}}es and {{Smug Super}}s, while the pirates are romanticized as freedom-loving people who want to live life to the fullest outside the law. For the most part, the Marines are portrayed as morally questionable, and several good pirate crews are seen (such as the Straw Hats). However, it is made clear that crews like the Straw Hats are exceptions. Several pirates are evil, cruel, and murderous, many of them infinitely worse than the Marines. For the most part, the Marines are at least trying to do the right thing, and want to protect people from pirates and other criminals. The dynamic between pirates and Marines is more a case of GreyAndGreyMorality, while fans tend to simplify it to pure Black and White.

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