History Main / OrderIsNotGood

The opposite of this would be HobbesWasRight, where the authoritarian bringers of Order, no matter how bad, [[TheExtremistWasRight was necessary]] to prevent even greater damage that unchecked freedom or TheEvilsOfFreeWill would've (and actually had) caused and thus the order-bringers truly believe that it has been proven that 'free will', 'freedom' or 'human rights' could be used as just sweet words to force one (or many)'s opinions which ended up being proven 'usually ending with disasters' and thus they're not going to fall for those moral-based lies or convincing again, [[IDidWhatIHadToDo the authoritive order has to be implemented even if they'll look like soul-crushing evil bastards in the end.]]

* ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' gives us Frieza who may be chaotic evil as an individual but runs an interplanetary empire that is implied to be an example of this. His subjects are kept in line out of fear that their planet may be the next casualty of his wrath and [[spoiler: in the years following his defeat we see the remaining organization struggling to maintain relevance, indicating both that there was an actual structure to the empire and that it was held together entirely by Freiza's tyranny.]]

* ''Videogame/AzureStrikerGunvolt:'' The [[MegaCorp Sumeragi Group]] is pretty much the de facto government in the series, especially regarding [[PsychicChildren Adepts]], but also in military, technological advancements, economics etc. They work on maintaining a peaceful country (implied to be Japan) where humans and Adepts can live in peace despite the FantasticRacism, but unbeknownst to most people, they also like capturing certain Adepts and [[PlayingWithSyringes perform hideous experiments on them]] and making Adepts' lives endangered in general, which is the concern for [[LaResistance QUILL]], an organization devoted for protecting Adepts from Sumeragi Group's clutches. Our hero Gunvolt is an Adept and member of QUILL, who are tasked to stop the Adept higher-ups of Sumeragi called the Swordsmen; a good number of them are Sumeragi's enforcers, while at least 2 of them (Elise and Stratos) are actually victims of their experiments and abuse. Their leader, Nova, also revealed that they plan to use the power of the Muse (i.e the powers of your Adept companion, Joule) as a catalyst of controlling Adepts worldwide; Gunvolt is understandably against this. Note, however, that Nova throws his point that without Sumeragi to keep the Adepts in line, nothing will prevent Adepts from abusing their powers and destroying the world. In one supplemental material, this apparently has happened; Adepts' shenanigans really have torn the world apart and it's by Sumeragi's efforts that they can keep at least one country in check. The second game even introduces new Adept villains who use the downfall of Sumeragi as their starting point of their KillAllHumans plan.

* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' has this as the central theme behind the primary conflict. The gem empire has an extremely rigid caste system where everyone is literally built to perform a specific function, is expected to want nothing else out of life and any imperfections (both physical and social) are punished harshly. They conquer planets purely to mine them of resources to make more subjects and repeat the cycle anew, slowly convering the entire universe to a static heirarchy beneath the diamonds. The chaotic freedom of life on Earth, where every organic creature naturally grows and changes on a daily basis, left such an impression on some gems [[spoiler: most notably Pink Diamond, who faked her own death in order to abandon her throne and live free among humanity]] that it sparked a revolution which was technically still going by the start of the show. Ultimately [[spoiler: this conflict is resolved by Steven convincing the remaining three diamonds that their restrictive society is just making everyone miserable, even themselves.]]

The force of Order may be known as 'Always LawfulEvil', and the heroes are ChaoticGood saviours, though both sides may be shown with GrayingMorality -- this is a specialty of the gritty films that like to use this trope, and so there will be either an AntiHero or AntiVillain (and sometimes both in the same work, but this is less common). Despite so, sometimes LawfulGood characters will still exist in this kind of conflict. However, they're usually portrayed as someone who [[GoodIsDumb has good intentions, but is blinded by the propaganda of the bad order that]] [[LawfulStupid they were instead causing more harm by following the law]], and it is up to the ChaoticGood heroes to shove the truth about that order to the LawfulGood character, prompting them to become a DefectorFromDecadence and maybe shift into NeutralGood. In a way, this portrays LawfulGood as the least favorable amongst Good alignment, in a way that law and order are considered hindrances for doing good things; they may even try to become an InternalReformist as a result, but the ChaoticGood heroes are usually depicted to have a better sense, reforming is often considered useless, it has to be smashed down... or at least it's just the corrupt parts that needed to be smashed down, if the LawfulGood character was lucky, the heroes might let them take over and reform the order... but only after the LawfulEvil corrupt villains, who are usually irredeemable, are completely taken down. Scenarios like this often end with the ChaoticGood heroes moving away from the spotlight, because they're not used with administering authority and order, even if they're reformed, preferring to stay in the shadows or mingling with the commoners, only to strike back just in case the new order repeated the past mistakes, effectively becoming boogie men of corrupt orders.

* This is one of the main themes of ''Series/KamenRiderOutsiders''. In this crossover anthology, a supposedly BenevolentAI called Zein seeks to study human benevolence and also [[spoiler:seeking to usher humanity into a [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans utopia without human malice]]]], which compromises the BalanceBetweenGoodAndEvil. In reality, Zein envisions its ideal world without malice that of a totalitarian dystopia-- [[BewareTheSuperman abuse of power]], [[PayEvilUntoEvil use of excessive violence against its enemies]], [[ControlFreak culling off perceived insubordination on its own allies]], [[KillAllHumans genocide]], {{propaganda|Machine}}, and [[BigBrotherIsWatching widespread global surveillance]]; all of which inspire fear and paranoia from both the villains and people who aren't even engaged in anything remotely evil. Hence Project Outsiders was created by Foundation X to oppose Zein before it could become a clear and present danger to the world if left unchecked.

* This is one of the main themes of ''Series/KamenRiderOutsiders''. In this crossover anthology, a supposedly BenevolentAI called Zein seeks to study human benevolence and also [[spoiler:seeking to usher humanity into a [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans utopia without human malice]]]]. In reality, Zein envisions its ideal world without malice that of a totalitarian dystopia-- [[BewareTheSuperman abuse of power]], [[PayEvilUntoEvil use of excessive violence against its enemies]], [[ControlFreak culling off perceived insubordination on its own allies]], [[KillAllHumans genocide]], {{propaganda|Machine}}, and [[BigBrotherIsWatching widespread global surveillance]].

* This is one of the main themes of ''Series/KamenRiderOutsiders''. In this crossover anthology, a supposedly BenevolentAI called Zein seeks to study human benevolence and also [[spoiler:seeking to usher humanity into a [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans utopia without human malice]]]]. This gives the (former and current) villains a good reason to oppose it; [[spoiler:knowing that sacrificing freedom over security to keep the world safe will upset the BalanceBetweenGoodAndEvil in the ''Kamen Rider'' universe means mankind will be on the verge of stagnancy]], to the point [[NebulousEvilOrganization Foundation X]] quickly took action by assembling [[LegionOfDoom the namesake team of Kamen Rider villains]] by reviving dead villains [[spoiler:or even recruit active ones]] from previous seasons to oppose Zein.

However, there are a lot of stories here to tell that freedom and the moral hero are the true measures of goodness. So what if they're on the opposite side to those creating order? What if the lawmakers are restricting freedom and being [[PowerCorrupts corrupted by power]]? Or what if, simply, those in charge aren't really doing any bad, but their subordinates want a new kind of order? Order is not going to be presented as a bit of a hurdle, but to retain the simplicity of BlackAndWhiteMorality by making the concept of Order not good, usually by making it not align with morals. What started as a normal desire to temper one's own passion with restraint and discipline (which when left unrestrained and combined with [[HumansAreFlawed human's tendencies to pick the bad choices while having potential to pick the good ones]], would result in a bad kind of free but chaotic world) ended up spiraling out of control into trying to restrain everyone's passion and indoctrinating one's brand of discipline to others, whether they like it or not.

* This is one of the main themes of ''Series/KamenRiderOutsiders''. In this crossover anthology, a supposedly BenevolentAI called Zein seeks to study human benevolence and also [[spoiler:seeking to usher humanity into a [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans utopia without human malice]]]]. This gives the (former and current) villains a good reason to oppose it; [[spoiler:knowing that sacrificing freedom over security will upset the BalanceBetweenGoodAndEvil in the ''Kamen Rider'' universe means mankind will be on the verge of stagnancy]], to the point [[NebulousEvilOrganization Foundation X]] quickly took action by assembling [[LegionOfDoom the namesake team of Kamen Rider villains]] by reviving dead villains [[spoiler:or even recruit active ones]] from previous seasons to oppose Zein.