This is CreatorWorship taken UpToEleven. When someone makes a sequel to a popular work which they did not create, and it is completely savaged by fans.

Sometimes a JustifiedTrope because it may be that the original creator is the only one who knew the work, the world and the characters well enough to "do it right."

Can be considered a form of JumpingTheShark, only with that trope, the creator him/herself can do it. If there's a FranchiseZombie, people may claim this. Despite all this, complaining about the new work solely because it is not by the original team is a fallacy, and can be a form of FanMyopia.

Bear in mind that in the case of many popular media of a collaborative nature -- Theatre, Movies, TV shows and Comic Books -- there is often a lack of clear information about how much creative control an artist had towards their work, and what the specific contribution by certain figures were in the making of a given work. A great deal of the fan backlash for and against certain works stems from rumor, dated information and lack of clarity and agreement about what made a work great in the first place. So when this trope is invoked, it is most effective when its done with an awareness of what the original creator brought to the project.

Compare DisownedAdaptation and ScapegoatCreator. Contrast MyRealDaddy, where the fandom prefers a version of a work or character ''not'' made by the original creator.


[[folder: Anime and Manga]]
* ''Franchise/{{Gundam}}'' has some fans who insist that the AlternateUniverse shows are all crap because Creator/YoshiyukiTomino had nothing to do with them (ignoring the fact that ''Anime/TurnAGundam'' was not only his baby, but acknowledges everything that came before). Some take it a step further and say The Creator Does It Right Only When He's Depressed, savaging ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ Gundam ZZ]]'' (made to clear up the gloom from ''[[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Zeta Gundam]]'').
* The 2003 ''Anime/FullmetalAlchemist'' series has gotten hit with this with the conclusion of the manga and the second anime adaptation. The first anime series split off from the manga half way through and ended up creating its own original storyline. This storyline took the CharacterDevelopment of several of the main characters in a different direction than the manga. As a result... Some fans of the manga have now adopted this mindset. Interestingly, the original manga author not only approved of the different direction, but actually encouraged it.
* One could perhaps say this about anime {{Filler}} in general. No matter what the series, it's exceptionally rare for fans to feel that a filler arc is as good as the original manga.
** To say nothing of non-canon anime movies. For example, the non-canon movies from the ''Franchise/OnePiece'' franchise are barely acknowledged by parts of the fandom, the exceptions being the fourth and sixth movies which are considered some of the best movies in the franchise with movie six especially being a fan favorite. The eighth and ninth movies are usually not counting because they are compressed retellings of previous arcs, although the ninth movie gets a lot of praise for being a good compress retelling. When Oda actually penned a movie himself (''Anime/OnePieceFilmStrongWorld''), it was regarded as the best ''One Piece'' movie ever and universally praised by the fandom (it also helped that it was canon). The next movie he wrote, ''Anime/OnePieceFilmZ'', was similarly praised, though it wasn't canon (it was supposed to be, but the story would cause too many plot holes in the main canon timeline, so Oda decided not to include it).
** ''Franchise/DragonBall'' gets the same sentiment. The ''Dragon Ball'' movies are considered subpar to good, with a few fan-favorites like the Cooler and Broly movies, except movie 11 which is considered the worst, along with movies 1, 9, and 13. The two movies with direct input from Toriyama, ''Anime/DragonBallZBattleOfGods'' and ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'', are universally consider the best movies with rave reviews. They are also canon and been adapted into ''Anime/DragonBallSuper''. ''Anime/DragonBallGT'' is often use as case study of what happens when Toriyama has little to no involvement. And let's not even get started on ''Film/DragonballEvolution''.
* ''Manga/{{Boruto}}'', the sequel to ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'', has been getting this sentiment since Creator/MasashiKishimoto only has a supervising role in it, while his former assistants, Ukyō Kodachi and Mikio Ikemoto, handle the writing and drawing respectively. This was especially noticeable with the initial reaction to the different art style; although in later chapters this has been lessened somewhat thanks to Ikemoto's ArtEvolution making it closer to Kishimoto's own style, in addition to the latter's announcement that he'll become more involved with the new manga.
* Fans of ''Anime/PsychoPass'' who dislike the second season often claim that the reason for it’s lack of quality was due to Creator/GenUrobuchi not writing it. Similarly, detractors of ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheMovieRebellion''‘s infamous ending often point out that it was not Gen’s idea but Creator/AkiyukiShinbo’s.

[[folder: Comic Books]]
* This is the general opinion about ''ComicBook/TheSpirit'' comics not written and drawn by Creator/WillEisner. There's some conflict about whether the strips drawn under Eisner's supervision but not personally by him are up to standard, but much less about the several attempts to revive the character after his death.
* There are some, namely Creator/AlanMoore, who argue that Franchise/SpiderMan declined greatly after Creator/SteveDitko's departure and that the art style and quality was greatly softened by later writers. While there are quite a lot of prominent Spider-Man elements and stories that succeeded Ditko's run, in terms of consistency and artistic quality it remains the GloryDays of the comic.
* Creator/AlanMoore's work offers a nice series of contrasts:
** Moore has often drastically reinvented pre-existing creations such as ''ComicBook/SwampThing'', ''ComicBook/{{Miracleman}}'', ''ComicBook/{{Supreme}}'' and likewise written what many consider the definitive Joker story in ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke''. All of them are generally regarded as the best runs of the respective comic books and none of them were created by Moore. On the other hand, none of the later attempts and runs at the respective titles (with the exception of Creator/NeilGaiman's run on ''Miracleman'') have matched Moore's stories in impact, acclaim and esteem.
** Some of the ''ComicBook/BeforeWatchmen'' miniseries might be considered exceptions - ''Minute Men'' and ''Silk Spectre'' were fairly well-received by critics (Interestingly, both were done by Darwyn Cooke, who also did some acclaimed work on the Spirit as well), though fan reception is much more mixed. However, everyone agrees that all of it falls short of Moore and Dave Gibbons' original, but then considering that ''Watchmen'' is an all-time classic, it was a tall order anyway.
* Creator/SteveGerber's comic, ''ComicBook/HowardTheDuck'', is considered a classic. Howard comics not made by Gerber? Not so much.
* Creator/BrianKVaughan and ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}''. As soon as he left, it went downhill.
* The ''{{ComicBook/Asterix}}'' books written by Albert Uderzo after the death of Creator/ReneGoscinny have been less well received.
* This trope was invoked on the 90s-era ''Comicbook/{{Superboy}}'' books. After sales dropped substantially during the run of Ron Marz and Ramon Bernado, the character's original creators (Karl Kesel and Tom Grummett) returned to the title in an attempt to recapture the magic the book once had. However, the new stories featured a radically different direction and despite the original team, never truly recovered.
* Most Creatore/JackKirby fans agree that nobody else has ever had a really good grasp of the ''ComicBook/NewGods'' characters and their universe but Jack himself. The series left a lot of unanswered questions, so inevitably every new writer ends up filling in the blanks with their own ideas, which usually feel at least a little "off." The most well-regarded version of the characters after Kirby are not the comics so much as the Franchis/{{DCAU}} animated series by Creator/BruceTimm.
* Similarly, many ''Comicbook/{{Thanos}}'' fans tend to dislike depictions not written by Creator/JimStarlin, as the character tends to devolve from a complex, multifaceted villain into a generic EvilOverlord under most other writers.
* A lot of people feel this way about the handling of ComicBook/BuckyBarnes by anyone other than Ed Brubaker. While Brubaker didn't ''create'' Bucky, he did redefine him and was the one to give him the Winter Soldier identity, the role the character is now much more famous for. This gave Brubaker uncontested MyRealDaddy status over Bucky. Some people just don't like it when other writers handle Bucky, especially since a lot of the time, it tends to result in him either regressing (such as being flippant about killing) or adding things to his history that hurt the original story (Rick Remender added that Bucky ''could'' somewhat fight his programming).
* The Speed Force and Mark Waid. As originally devised, it was the source of the various DC speedsters' powers and a kind of power limiter that restricted the characters from running at the speed of light, lest they become lost to it. It was also where speedsters go when they die, and everyone inside it eventually loses their individuality as they become fuel for the next generation of speedsters. This was a threat that was made clear, even though Wally West managed to return from it. Other writers tend to use the Speed Force as a DeusExMachina, letting it do whatever the plot needs it to and using it to pull endless retcons, to the point that it's reached ''memetic'' status.
* The overriding opinion on ''ComicBook/Earth2'' is that it took a ''sharp'' nosedive once James Robinson left the title. Under Robinson's pen, the series served as a place where characters mostly tied to the Justice Society of America were allowed to flourish, as well as other characters Retgone'd from the main DCU. It also was obviously slowly building up to the formation of the Justice Society. Once Robinson left the book, it increasingly focused on alternate versions of the Superfamily and Batfamily, to the point that the original leads were reduced to supporting characters.
* Combined with ToughActToFollow, ''many'' people feel this way about the handling of Viv Vision, the Vision's daughter created in ''ComicBook/TheVision2015'' by writer Tom King. King's approach to writing has always been on a more complex level, and his writing of Viv's approach to humanity was lauded as a fresh take on a ''very'' old idea. His series was nominated for a Hugo Award and earned him a Harvey and Eisner award. When Mark Waid used Viv in his ''Champions'' run, fans of King's ''Vision'' run were less than impressed, as not only did Waid write her in a more typical "robot wants to understand humans" way, but she seemed to lose a lot of complexity.

* ''Film/AIArtificialIntelligence'' was originally a Creator/StanleyKubrick project which he shelved in favor of other projects. Spielberg directed the film after Kubrick's death and many critics and Kubrick fans attacked the film and Spielberg for ruining a Kubrick masterpiece (which he consciously shelved and handed to Spielberg anyway). Weirdly enough, the elements of the film that are most attacked, namely the ending weren't Spielberg inventions at all, but ''created by Kubrick himself''.
** This trope was invoked from the moment the movie was conceived by Spielberg and Kubrick ''towards each other''. Kubrick didn't think he had the heart to pull it off and believed Spielberg was the better man for the job, while Spielberg didn't think he had the artistic finesse and insisted Kubrick should direct. The two might still be volleying the idea back and forth to this day if Kubrick hadn't passed away.
* ''Film/JurassicParkIII'' is held by some to be the worst film in the ''Franchise/JurassicPark'' franchise. Incidentally, it was the one film of the original trilogy Creator/StevenSpielberg did not direct, as well as the first not even nominally based on a Creator/MichaelCrichton novel. That said ''Film/JurassicWorld'' was far better received, and it was likewise not directed by Spielberg (but he apparently was more present this time around).
* Out of the four ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'' films released from 1989 to 1997, the first two directed by Creator/TimBurton were considered the best. And for ''very'' good reasons.
* The first two parts in the ''Film/XMenFilmSeries'' were directed by Creator/BryanSinger, while the third one, ''Film/XMenTheLastStand'', was helmed by Brett Ratner, and is considered by many fans to be a huge step down in quality. ''Film/XMenFirstClass'', which was produced and co-written by Singer, was much better received. Ultimately cemented with ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' by having Singer back in the director's chair and getting an overwhelmingly positive reception, with many calling it the best in the franchise so far. ''Film/XMenApocalypse'', however, proved to be much more divisive in comparison to Singer's previous efforts. Creator/MatthewVaughn also gets a share of credit for directing ''First Class''.
* On a related note, any non-Marvel Studios films featuring Marvel characters are regarded by most supporters of the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse as inferior and bastardizations of the source material, and that only Marvel Studios can treat them right:
** There are mixed opinions regarding this when it comes to the ''X-Men'' films. On the one hand, Marvel has done well with the MCU and having the X-Men film rights would open them up to crossovers that both sides could benefit from. On the other hand, some feel that Fox (or at least Singer and Vaughn) hasn't done badly with their X-Men films, and that the franchise's "oppressed minority" metaphor works better when there aren't a bunch of other superhumans running around.
** Zigzagged with ''Franchise/SpiderMan'', as the first two films of [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy the original trilogy]] are well-regarded but the third is divisive; and [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries the following reboot]] suffered some from being a FranchiseZombie, and ''both'' cases had ExecutiveMeddling to blame for most of their problems. Sony since struck a deal to [[Film/SpiderManHomecoming reboot Spider-Man again with Marvel co-producing]], and his debut in ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' was seen by many as [[EnsembleDarkhorse a highlight of the film]].
** In the case of ''Daredevil'', its MCU revival as a [[Series/{{Daredevil|2015}} Netflix TV series]] was received much better than [[Film/{{Daredevil}} the Fox movie]], reinforcing the view. The same goes for Season Two's reinvention of the Punisher, with Jon Bernthal's portrayal receiving high praise when [[Film/ThePunisher1989 previous]] [[Film/ThePunisher2004 incarnations]] [[Film/PunisherWarZone failed]]; even earning him [[Series/ThePunisher2017 his own spinoff show]]. Elektra Natchios, also added in season 2, didn't quite the same universal praise as the Punisher, but still was a much better response than [[Film/{{Elektra}} her own movie]] got.
** Averted by ''Film/{{Deadpool|2016}}''. Not only was it successful without Marvel's involvement, but there are fears that Deadpool being part of the MCU would require a tonal shift away from what helped ''make'' his movie a success - it's filled to the brim with profanity, gore, sex jokes, and BlackComedy; having too much adult content for a family-friendly franchise and being too wacky for the MCU's serious, mature-audiences Netflix arm.
** In a case of this applying to both the X-Men franchise and Marvel-based movies as a whole, ''Film/{{Logan}}'' also managed to avert this, being acclaimed for its adult themes and drama that would also be unable to fit within the more family-friendly MCU. In addition, Bryan Singer was not involved in this film, but that ultimately didn't hurt it.
** Whilst the ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'' is the lowest-grossing film in the MCU as well as one of the least acclaimed, most people agreed that it was still superior to the [[Film/{{Hulk}} 2003 film]] directed by Creator/AngLee. When Creator/EdwardNorton was [[TheOtherDarrin replaced]] by Creator/MarkRuffalo, this sentiment only increased, though the [[ScrewedByTheLawyers complicated licensing]] employed by Universal combined with two underperforming films means that a solo film with Ruffalo is unlikely.
** The one franchise that almost everyone agrees would be better back at Marvel is ''Fantastic Four'', as [[Film/FantasticFour the 2005 film and its sequel]] were below-average and [[Film/FantasticFour2015 the 2015 reboot]] [[BoxOfficeBomb bombed outright.]]
* Steven Spielberg turned down offers to direct ''Film/{{Jaws 2}}''. Most people feel that the sequels get worse with each subsequent film.
* Several people in the ''Franchise/{{Godzilla}}'' fandom find any of the movies ''not'' directed by Ishiro Honda to be inferior.
** Similarly, some fans automatically dismiss the 2014 ''Film/{{Godzilla|2014}}'', not on the grounds of its own merits or flaws, but because it is not from Creator/{{Toho}}.
* Became an issue on the set of ''Film/{{Aliens}}''. In addition to being a [[PrimaDonnaDirector perfectionist]], Creator/JamesCameron was also hated by the British crew for ''not'' being Creator/RidleyScott. Fan reaction to the film, however, [[EvenBetterSequel was more enthusiastic]].
* Cameron ended up on the opposite side of this trope after ''Film/Terminator2JudgmentDay''. None of the following Terminator films (each done by a different director) has earned the respect that the first two had even if Creator/ArnoldSchwarzenegger appeared in two of the non-Cameron films.
* Creator/AlfredHitchcock directed ''Film/{{Psycho}}'' and died before the sequels were released and the critically derided 90s remake. The universal opinion is that the first film was undoubtedly the best and only Hitchcock understood the subject and execution.
* Richard Donner directed ''Film/SupermanTheMovie'', and got fired halfway through ''Film/SupermanII''. His cut of the sequel, which emerged in 2006, is generally considered better than the theatrical cut by Richard Lester. Of course, in this case it wasn't the name. There was a push to go LighterAndSofter that would culminate in the [[CanonDiscontinuity now disowned]] ''Film/SupermanIII,'' and the Donner cut has less of the slapstick that was forced upon them.
* The planned new ''Film/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' {{Reboot}} film without Creator/JossWhedon is starting to receive this. Ironically, the [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer TV show]] embraced this trope, as it was much, ''much'' better than the movie, which messily chopped up Whedon's original script.
* ''Franchise/ANightmareOnElmStreet'' is a good example, since the best-regarded installments have Creator/WesCraven's involvement ([[Film/ANightmareOnElmStreet1984 the original]] and ''Film/WesCravensNewNightmare'' are written/directed by Craven, while ''[[Film/ANightmareOnElmStreet3DreamWarriors Dream Warriors]]'' was co-written by him).
* The ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'' sequels since the departure of creators Leigh Whannell and Creator/JamesWan are highly regarded as significantly inferior to the original trilogy, with the [[SurprisinglyImprovedSequel frequent exception]] of ''Film/SawVI''.
* [[FlameBait Highly debated]] among fans of ''Franchise/StarWars'':
** The very first film, ''Film/ANewHope'', is highly beloved, but many fans believe that Lucas is a better writer and producer than a director (or vice-versa). They argue that ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' was much better than ''A New Hope'' in part because Creator/GeorgeLucas took a more hands-off approach and left it in the hands of other writers and directors, and the weaknesses of ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' stem from the fact that Lucas was too involved in the production. Likewise, the prequels suffer from the absence of many of the key collaborators in the original films. In the case of ''Star Wars'', it takes the form of We Love the Creation, but He Doesn't Do It as Well as Others Do. Bear in mind that Lucas was always involved with ''Star Wars''. The [[LukeIAmYourFather famous plot twist]] of ''The Empire Strikes Back'' was exclusively Lucas' own invention and the first Star Wars film was entirely his vision, which he had to fight to convince his cast and crew to believe in.
** With the release of ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' this trope is now being played totally straight by fans who feel profoundly insulted by the very existence of the film because Lucas wasn't involved with it at all [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks and thought it borrowed too much from the original trilogy]]. Creator/JJAbrams is being painted as a pretender to the throne who mistakenly believes his fan fiction could ever "count" the way the Lucas-made films do. And now, they're not very happy that he is replacing Creator/ColinTrevorrow as director for ''Episode IX''.
* The first ''Film/DieHard'' film is directed by John [=McTiernan=]. All of the sequels [[ContestedSequel are contested]], to some extent. ''Film/DieHardWithAVengeance'', again directed by [=McTiernan=], is the least contested.
* ''Film/TheBourneSeries'': ZigZagged with MyRealDaddy, as one may argue that the Bourne series [[HasTwoMommies has two daddies]] with directors Creator/DougLiman and Creator/PaulGreengrass. With ''Film/TheBourneIdentity'', Liman gave the film a unique style, but it was Greengrass who would flesh it out in its sequels ''Film/TheBourneSupremacy'' and ''Film/TheBourneUltimatum'', with Liman still involved as executive producer, garnering even greater acclaim. But when Greengrass turned down the offer to direct ''Film/TheBourneLegacy'', Creator/MattDamon left with him, saying he wouldn't do any more movies without him, and Liman left too. This is part of why ''Legacy'' hasn't been as well-received as its predecessors. Though it should be noted that Tony Gilroy wrote all four films (and directed ''Legacy''). Damon and Greengrass finally reunited to make ''Film/JasonBourne'', which received mixed reviews, as well.
* Fans of the ''Franchise/{{Scream}}'' series view Kevin Williamson, the writer of [[Film/{{Scream 1996}} the first]] [[Film/{{Scream 2}} two films]], as the only person who can get the characters right. ''Film/{{Scream 3}}'' was written by Ehren Kruger due to Williamson having commitments to other projects, and is nowadays seen as the worst film in the series, and while ''Film/{{Scream 4}}'' saw Williamson come back to the series, Kruger was also credited for rewrites, and many fans blame the film's weaker moments on him. Worst of all was [[Series/ScreamTVSeries the TV adaptation]], which neither Williamson, Kruger, nor the films' director Creator/WesCraven had any creative involvement in (barring a producer credit for Craven), and which has been lambasted by fans.
* Creator/RidleyScott himself has expressed this sentiment regarding the ''Franchise/{{Alien}}'' series, saying he now regrets his departure from it and intends to assume full creative control to prevent films that contradict the new post-''Film/{{Prometheus}}'' canon, like ''Film/AlienVsPredator'', from being made.

* The ''Literature/JamesBond'' novels written after Creator/IanFleming's death are nowhere near as famous as the ones written by him (nor as typically well-received). Of course, there wasn't really any other way around the AuthorExistenceFailure.
* Frank Herbert's ''Franchise/{{Dune}}'' series was taken over by his son after the former's death, based on his father's notes. Despite this, many fans suggest stopping after ''Chapterhouse: Dune'', Frank's final Dune work (other fans suggest stopping after the original ''Dune'').
* This was one of the reasons Series/TheDresdenFiles failed compared to the [[Literature/TheDresdenFiles books]]. Most fans did not see the show as good without Creator/JimButcher.
* At least a significant portion of the Creator/DouglasAdams fans out there were not at all satisfied with ''Literature/AndAnotherThing'', which was written by Creator/EoinColfer several years after Adams' death.
* ''Franchise/ConanTheBarbarian''. To the most visible portion of the fanbase, the true Conan stories are the ones written by Howard and only by Howard. The post-Howard writers are referred to as "Conantics," and InternetBackdraft ensues if you admit to liking any of the books by Lin Carter or the others. The films largely have a separate fanbase, and fans of one are usually civil to the other.
* Creator/HPLovecraft is often seen as the best writer of the Franchise/CthulhuMythos literature. Fellow authors like Creator/AugustDerleth who carried on writing literature based on the mythos are derided by some as missing the point of the bleak, hopeless outlook on the universe that Lovecraft conveyed.
* Fans generally don't like the ''Literature/DragonridersOfPern'' books written after Creator/{{Anne McCaffrey}} died.
* Books that get [[TheFilmOfTheBook turned into movies]] are nearly 100% this.
** Some are just horrible, like the ''[[Literature/InheritanceCycle Eragon]]'' film or the ''[[Literature/TheBooksOfEmber City of Ember]]'' movie, a few are average like ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' or ''Literature/{{Twilight}}''. Even the well-received book movies, such as ''Literature/HarryPotter'' or ''Literature/TheHungerGames'', get complaints. Even a well recieved TV show like Series/GameOfThrones recieves this from fans of Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire especially for the later seasons which vastly diverged from the source material.
** ''Twilight'' has a rather interesting inversion in some circles, where folks hate the books but find the movies to be SoBadItsGood. Most of those people found that both parts of ''Breaking Dawn'' lacked the enjoyable {{narm}} of the first three movies, and those were the ones that Meyer had direct input into, as a producer.
*** That said, there are some circles that find the first three movies overly safe and toothless, and consider the Breaking Dawn movies to be the true SoBadItsGood ones. [[InternetBackdraft It's a pretty divisive topic.]]
* This is usually averted in the case of less-than-great books, which have [[AdaptationDisplacement often made great movies]]. ''Film/TheBridgeOnTheRiverKwai'', ''Film/TheGodfather, Film/TouchOfEvil'' and ''Film/TheSearchers'' for four noteworthy examples.
* The sequel series to ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfAmber'' written after Creator/RogerZelazny's death is universally regarded as FanonDiscontinuity. This stance is considerably helped by the fact that several of Zelazny's friends have publicly stated that he abhorred the idea of anyone else writing canonical stories in the Amber 'verse.
* Certain Creator/VCAndrews fans feel this way after her death and Andrew Neiderman took over the name. In terms of series that she actually started, the last three ''Casteel'' books had this response.

[[folder: Live Action Television]]
* ''Series/{{Supernatural}}''. Many fans blamed the seasons 6 & 7 showrunner Sera Gamble for the show's less-than-stellar state after Eric Kripke, the creator and original showrunner, stepped down (though Kripke still had some input on the show). After season 7, Gamble also stepped down and was replaced by Jeremy Carver. Whether or not he's doing better than her is a bit divisive amongst the fandom, but both are generally seen as inferior to Kripke.
* Arguably also true of ''Series/{{Smallville}}''. After the departure of co-creators and original show runners Alfred Gough and Miles Millar at the end of Season 7, the show seemed to end up in something of a RunningTheAsylum state with what was originally conceived as an accessible story about the future Superman with a loose approach to the mythology degenerating into DC ContinuityPorn.
* ''Series/TheWestWing''. Creator and showrunner Creator/AaronSorkin left the show at the end of the fourth season; the fifth season was savaged by critics and fans alike, and while the sixth and seventh were generally accepted as being an improvement, there are many fans of the Sorkin era who simply ignore everything after season four.
* ''Series/GossipGirl''. When Joshua Safran took over as showrunner the quality of the show went drastically downhill and the ratings followed, which led to the majority of the fans complaining about him. It did not help matters that Safran frequently argued with the fans on twitter and that one of the show's directors stated that people who didn't like the changes were not real fans. He left the show after the fifth season, but the damage was done (the next season was its last, and its lowest-rated, and CutShort to boot. And as for the SeriesFinale...).
* A widespread perception of the fourth season of ''Series/{{Community}}'', made after creator Dan Harmon was fired by the network.
* Played straight by ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'', where the Creator/GeneRoddenberry produced Seasons 1 and 2 are regarded as being way better than Season 3, where Fred Freiberger took over. Inverted by the following ''Star Trek'' shows however, which are widely regarded to have hit their strides after the original creators stepped down from the showrunner role (see MyRealDaddy for more info). There are also some fans who regard only the Roddenberry-produced episodes and [[Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture film]] as genuine ''Star Trek'', and everything else as brainless trash, though this is very much a minority viewpoint.
* The first two seasons of ''Series/{{Charmed}}'', where creator Constance M. Burge acted as the show's creative lead while Brad Kern handled the showrunning duties, are usually regarded as being by far and away better than the rest of the show's run, where Kern alone was in charge of things.
* ''Series/GilmoreGirls''. Creator Amy Sherman-Palladino and her husband Daniel left the show after season 6. Opinions on the following season 7 differ but it's generally acknowledged that the show just wasn't the same afterwards.
* Inverted with ''Series/{{Hannibal}}'', which does not have Thomas Harris attached, but is much better received than Harris' Franchise/HannibalLecter continuation (''Literature/{{Hannibal}}'') and [[FranchiseZombie the prequel he was basically forced to do]] (''Literature/HannibalRising'').

[[folder:Multiple Media]]
* ''Toys/{{Bionicle}}'', as far as the story goes, zig-zags this. The DirectToVideo movies were bashed due not not having been written by Greg Farshtey, but after he took over from Bob Thompson as Story Team leader, Farshtey became something of a ScapegoatCreator, with some fans complaining that he had too much influence on the story. As another inversion, the early ''Mata Nui Online Game'', which was handled almost entirely by an outside-group (Templar Studios), is often seen as the franchise's best piece of media, so many fans are of the opinion that none of the actual creators "got it right" either. And as for the DVD movies themselves, most of the fourth's problems were often attributed to not having been made by the creators of the much more popular (if still not well-loved) first three.
** With the [[Toys/{{Bionicle2015}} reboot]], the absence of the original creators is felt by older fans. In particular, Christian Faber, who conceptualized the original line's mythology, symbolism and its early forms of storytelling, as well as directed several well-received commercials. This even happened retroactively to the original line, as now several fans are hailing Faber as the one who "got it right".

[[folder:Professional Wrestling]]
* Many fans of the original Wrestling/{{ECW}} see this with Wrestling/PaulHeyman as the booker and promoter and want to pretend that [[FanNickname WWECW]] never existed.
* Wrestling/{{WWENXT}} fans consider Wrestling/TripleH this and even want him to take out of touch Wrestling/VinceMcMahon's position of running Wrestling/{{WWE}}.

[[folder: Video Games]]
* Most infamous example: ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaCDiGames'' and ''VideoGame/HotelMario'', produced by Phillips. As ''Magazine/NintendoPower'' put it, these games taught us that "nobody should make Creator/{{Nintendo}} games except Nintendo."
* The ''{{Franchise/Halo}}'' franchise ended up being sold to Microsoft in return for {{Creator/Bungie}} being able to split from them. Creator/MicrosoftStudios created a studio for making new ''Halo'' games called Creator/ThreeFourThreeIndustries, and an already BrokenBase split even further.
* ''VideoGame/DeusExHumanRevolution'' was starting to receive this... until the beta was leaked. Of course, ''VideoGame/DeusEx'' fans should be reminded that the original creators brought us the divisive ''VideoGame/DeusExInvisibleWar''.
* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' is hated by some of the more die-hard fans of the first two games because it was created by Creator/BethesdaSoftworks and not (the [[AuthorExistenceFailure defunct]]) Creator/BlackIsleStudios. Especially noticeable when you consider that ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' was given a more accepting reception and that some of the [[Creator/ObsidianEntertainment old employees of Black Isle]] incidentally worked on it.
** Fans of the original games often point out that the storytelling and roleplay is less interesting in the games made by Bethesda. This is more or less true - Black Isle were renowned for their writing and would later go on to produce ''VideoGame/BaldursGate'' and the monumentally verbose ''VideoGame/PlanescapeTorment'', whereas Bethesda arguably have a more action-oriented approach to game design.
* Most of the ''VideoGame/LegacyOfKain'' series is considered inferior to the original ''Blood Omen'', since its designers - SiliconKnights - were cut out of the loop, the trademark essentially stolen by the publisher.
** And even among fans of the sequels ''Blood Omen 2'' (actually the 4th game in the series) is widely considered the worst. This is also the only game Amy Hennig had no involvement in.
* Many fans of the original ''VideoGame/{{Mafia}}'' dislike ''VideoGame/MafiaII'' particularly because very few of the original staff were on the Mafia II team, and most of them [[UnfortunateImplications left during production]].
* Some fans / tropers think the ''Franchise/FireEmblem'' series has never been the same since the fifth entry, ''Thracia 776''. The reason is due to the departure of series creator Shouzou Kaga.
* Some people felt this way with both the newer ''Franchise/CrashBandicoot'' and ''Franchise/SpyroTheDragon'' games.
* Long-time ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquer'' fans have this in spades. Creator/ElectronicArts bought out the original creators of the series, Westwood Studios, and they have responded extremely negatively to almost all of the changes made to the series. While at times justified, such as the ''Tiberian Twilight'' example, a lot of the time one gets the feeling most of the negative criticism can be cited down to "[[FanDumb it's not made by Westwood, therefore it sucks; EA wants to ruin the series and they must be stopped before they do so, because stupid kids who don't know what they're playing keep buying the games and supporting them]]."
** On the release of ''[[VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlert3 Red Alert 3]]'', these fans claimed that the game had too much blatant {{fanservice}} and [[{{Flanderization}} overdone]] [[HamAndCheese camp]] themes, the [[UsefulNotes/KatanasOfTheRisingSun new faction]] was silly, and [[FelonyMisdemeanor worst of all]], [[ActionGirl Tanya]] was now ''[[AdaptationDyeJob blonde]]''. [[note]] [[SelectiveCondemnation Nevermind that Red Alert 2, which was made by Westwood, had flying saucers and mind-controlled giant squid.]][[/note]]
** Response to ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerGenerals'' was also extremely poor, due to the game not setting place in the Kane continuity, and the gameplay resembling that of a ''[[Creator/BlizzardEntertainment Blizzard]]'' RTS.
** ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerTiberianTwilight'' didn't help by EA removing every single staple C&C game mechanic, removing such things as base-building and the CommandAndConquerEconomy, in favour of requisitioning units like ''[[VideoGame/DawnOfWar Dawn of War II]]'' and ''VideoGame/EndWar''.
* Although they did get lots of positive reviews, Creator/ObsidianEntertainment's sequels to two of Creator/BioWare's games, ''VideoGame/NeverwinterNights2'' and ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublicII'', still aren't ranked as highly as their predecessors--although this has more to do with them being [[ObviousBeta horribly buggy]] (or, in ''[=KotOR=] II'''s case, unfinished due to ExecutiveMeddling forcing a premature release).
* The ''VideoGame/DawnOfWar'' expansion ''Soulstorm'' was not made by Relic, and is coincidentally considered to be SoBadItsGood.
* ''VideoGame/MaxPayne3'' is getting quite a bit of this, due to Remedy having no real involvement with the series.
* The ''VideoGame/MegaMan'' series gets this as well. First there were the official-but-subpar games for the PC and the UsefulNotes/GameGear that were not developed by Capcom. Most of the later ''VideoGame/MegaManX'' games also tend to receive this treatment, since Keiji Inafune intended to end the series after ''X5'' but it was [[ExecutiveMeddling continued without his knowledge or input]]. And now that Inafune has left Capcom, faith in the series has now dropped to an all-time low; though that may have less to do with Capcom's potential ability to do the series justice, and more to do with the fact the company seems like [[ScrewedByTheNetwork it's trying to bury the series]].
** Averted however with ''VideoGame/MegaManDrWilysRevenge'' and ''VideoGame/MegaManIII''-''[[VideoGame/MegaManV V]]'' for the UsefulNotes/GameBoy, and the ''VideoGame/MegaManZero'' series on the UsefulNotes/GameBoyAdvance; while they were outsourced to other developers, the developers in question (Minakuchi Engineering for the Game Boy games and Inti Creates for the ''Zero'' series) actually understood the series, ensuring that the games were well-received by fans.
** And then played straight again with the Game Boy ''VideoGame/MegaManII'', which was not only wasn't made by Capcom, but wasn't made by Minakuchi Engineering either. Instead it was farmed out to Biox, who didn't understand the series at all and ended up producing what is pretty unanimously regarded as the worst 8-bit ''Mega Man'' game. Fortunately, Capcom were smart enough to go back to the original developers for the next three games.
* What many fans think about the modern ''VideoGame/NinjaGaiden'' games, and one of the reasons there was so much skepticism about ''Ninja Gaiden III''-- now led by Yosuke Hayashi, also director of the first two game's [=PS3=] releases and of the UsefulNotes/NintendoDS episode ''Dragon Sword''. Any game not directed by Tomonobu Itagaki can only be a pale imitation. It doesn't help that before leaving Tecmo, Itagaki himself said that he didn't like [[UpdatedRerelease Sigma]], that [=NG2=] was the definitive version of the game and that he was the only one legitimate to continue the series.
* ''Franchise/SilentHill''
** There's been a BrokenBase since the breakup of Team Silent, even as far back as ''VideoGame/SilentHill4TheRoom'', only made worse by the series being outsourced to Western development teams. The only game not widely hacked and bashed since then was ''VideoGame/SilentHillDownpour''[[note]]even then, the most frequent reaction is that it's SoOkayItsAverage[[/note]], and the absence of Creator/AkiraYamaoka's soundtrack work on it is a discussion all on its own.
** On the other hand, Creator/HideoKojima and Creator/GuillermoDelToro's [[VideoGame/SilentHills take on the franchise]] (or at least the playable teaser for it) was generally well-received. [[WhatCouldHaveBeen Whether or not the full game would have lived up to the hype, we'll probably never know, since Konami cancelled it and recalled all copies of the playable teaser]].
* Some of the fans of the first three ''VideoGame/HeroesOfMightAndMagic'' games, developed by New World Computing, aren't too thrilled about the fully-3D ''Heroes V'' (Nival Interactive) and ''Heroes VI'' (Black Hole Entertainment). Of course, there's also ''Heroes IV'', the last game to be developed by NWC, which many fans simply [[FanonDiscontinuity ignore]]. The biggest complaint is not with the gameplay changes but with the fact that the storylines of the last two games have nothing to do with TheVerse of the first four games (and first nine games in the [[VideoGame/MightAndMagic series]] ''Heroes'' was a [[MorePopularSpinoff spin-off]] of).
* When Konami outsourced the development of the two Playstation ''{{VideoGame/Contra}}'' games, ''Contra: Legacy of War'' and ''C: The Contra Adventure'', to Appaloosa, the results were universally regarded as a disaster, mainly due to poor gameplay. Konami realized their mistake, took ''Contra: Shattered Soldier'' into their own hands, [[CanonDiscontinuity and denied the PS games' existence]]. The fans were pleased with the results.
* U.S. Gold and Tiertex, who had licensed ''{{VideoGame/Strider}}'' and other Creator/{{Capcom}} arcade games for European home computer ports, went on to produce a sequel known as ''Strider II'' or ''Strider Returns''. Fans were underwhelmed by the colors, controls, level design, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Strider Hiryu being renamed Strider Hinjo for no reason.]] It was known in some circles as "spectacular crapfest" for these reasons. When Capcom decided to make a sequel themselves, they [[CanonDiscontinuity denied Returns' existence]], which they weren't even involved with anyway, and simply titled the game ''Strider 2''.
* ''Franchise/{{Metroid}}'': Some feel this way about certain games that were made after the death of Creator/GunpeiYokoi. Yokoi himself originally wanted the series to be a nice contained trilogy, so the main series games which were made after (''[[VideoGame/MetroidFusion Fusion]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/MetroidOtherM Other M]]'') received this sentiment.
** The same sentiment was common prior to the release of ''VideoGame/MetroidPrime'', not helped that it was being made by a seemingly failing studio that had released a grand total of zero games. But the game came through, and the rest is history.
* Out of all the ''VideoGame/AgeOfEmpires'' games, the latest, ''Age of Empires Online'' was developed after Ensemble Studios was closed down. Much BrokenBase ensued.
* The 989 Studios-developed ''VideoGame/TwistedMetal III'' and ''4'' received a very mixed reception among the fandom, compared to the [=SingleTrac=]-developed (and their successor companies, Incog Inc. and Eat Sleep Play) games. David Jaffe said that while the 989 games were good games on their own, they were just bad ''Twisted Metal'' games.
** One of the slogans for 1997's ''Critical Depth'' was, "From the Developers Who Know Vehicular Combat!", referring to [=SingleTrac=], the developers of the game.
* ''VideoGame/{{Langrisser}} Millennium'' was developed without the team that had worked on all previous installments of the series. Website/HardcoreGaming101 describes it as "a filthy charlatan, masquerading as an installment in one of strategy gaming's finest series."
* ''VideoGame/{{Freespace}}'' fans have been known to do this ''pre-emptively''. As it stands there is little chance of the series being continued, but ''if'' it did it would probably not be by the original developers (Volition). Some fans have taken the mantra "If it ain't V, it ain't Freespace 3!", as they believe that no one else would ever be able to continue the series satisfactorily.
* After the release of the third ''Franchise/MassEffect'' game and the resulting controversy regarding the endings, many fans were saying that the fault was with Mac Walters, and that Drew Karpyshan, who was the lead writer on the first game and co-lead with Walters for the second but worked on ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'' instead of ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', would have presented a more satisfying conclusion. Turned UpToEleven with ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'', which had next to no involvement from any of the first game's developers, and was ''not'' kindly received by fans or gamers in general.
** The same goes for the music, the first two games were scored by Jack Wall which fans unanimously agreed that he made a [[AwesomeMusic/MassEffect fantastic job]]; the third game on the other hand, although it featured a few original pieces from Music/ClintMansell which the fanbase says they're quite good in their own right, most fans agree that the old [[RecycledSoundtrack recycled music]] from the previous games and the new pieces from their supporting composer, Sam Hulick, overall don't quite reach the quality of Jack Wall.
* ''VideoGame/BioShock2'' Fans and critics alike concluded that it wasn't quite as good as the original, with many attributing this to the fact that it was developed by 2K Marin instead of Irrational Games. Irrational returned to develop ''VideoGame/BioShockInfinite'', which has gained acclaim equal to if not greater than the original.
* While the ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' games directed by Takeshi Yamazaki -- namely ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies'' and the two ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth'' entries -- have been reasonably well-received, you'd be ''very'' hard-pressed to find any fans who prefer his work over that of the series' creator, Shu Takumi.
* Anco's ''Kick Off'' series of soccer games for the UsefulNotes/{{Amiga}} dropped dramatically in quality when programmer Dino Dini left the company after the second game.
* ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamOrigins'' was well received overall, but is regarded by many as the worst of the Arkham series because it was filled with [[GameBreakingBug problematic bugs]] and was made by a different developer, WB Games Montreal. The games made by the creators of the series, Rocksteady, were renowned for how polished they were. With the release of ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight'' made by Rocksteady having a disastrous PC port (actually being taken down from online stores) and the industry having an unfortunate trend of buggy games, ''Origins'' is being looked upon a little more fondly, though detractors argue that unlike ''Knight'' it did not have the excuse of releasing for the very difficult-to-code UsefulNote/PlayStation4.
** ''Arkham Knight'' fell prey to this in a different way. Because of prior commitments, the writer of the first two games Paul Dini was unable to return for ''Arkham Knight''. A lot of people have found the story to be weaker than the previous entries. Notably, for all it was criticized for, ''Arkham Origins'' is considered to have a very strong story even without Rocksteady's influence.
* This trope is pretty much exemplified perfectly by the later ''VideoGame/YoshisIsland'' games, all of which were made by Artoon/Arzest instead of Nintendo. None of these games are considered anywhere near as good as the SNES original by Nintendo themselves, partly due to Artoon's staff not really knowing about good game/level design in general.
* A common criticism leveled against ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsII''. The director of the first game and its spiritual prequel ''VideoGame/DemonsSouls'', Hidetaka Miyazaki, had only a minor supervisory role in ''Dark Souls 2'', as he was busy directing ''{{VideoGame/Bloodborne}}'' (which would eventually become acclaimed in its own right). Many fans attribute Miyazaki's absence as one of the main causes behind the game's many shortcomings, though an interview that clarified that the game had a TroubledProduction lessened this a bit. Even with the DLC content, which is considered superior to the main game, many fans denounce it and [=DS2=] as a whole to be inferior to the Miyazaki-helmed games.
* While each ''VideoGame/UmiharaKawase'' game has been developed by an at least nominally different company, the only one made without the participation of original programmer and game designer Kiyoshi Sakai was ''Umihara Kawase Portable'', which fans of the series have widely denounced as a PortingDisaster.
* ''VideoGame/BlasterMaster 2'', outsourced to British developer Software Creations, is a pale shadow of the original game, despite being made for a more powerful console. Creator/{{Sunsoft}} returned to develop the next two ''Blaster Master'' games, which were better received.
* The ''VideoGame/TonyHawksProSkater'' series is a Neversoft creation. However, the company would relegate other companies to work on the various ports of the series, and said ports are nowhere near as high quality as the ones done by Neversoft. For many fans, 'Shaba Games' brings to mind cheapness, poor graphics and glitches, most notably in the [=PS1=] port of Tony Hawks Pro Skater 4. Neversoft pulled out of the series entirely after ''Proving Ground'', and Activision gave the following installments to other subsidiaries to the point ''Ride'' and ''Shred'' [[FranchiseKiller killed the series]] - aside from a remake of the original and a phone-only game.
** Neversoft was on the other side of the spectrum with ''VideoGame/GuitarHero'', which they inherited from Harmonix once it was sold to Viacom and went on to create ''VideoGame/RockBand''. Their games, which started with ''Guitar Hero III'', had many good reviews and even better sales, but are still divisive exactly for turning the series into a CashCowFranchise that Activision ran to the ground.
* ''VideoGame/MonkeyIsland'' - Ron Gilbert worked on the first two games, which are beloved by fans, after which he left Lucasarts. The first game he didn't work on, The Curse Of Monkey Island, was well received and even Gilbert says he enjoyed it, though noting he had a different plan for Monkey Island 3. The fourth game, Escape From Monkey Island, however, was a disaster, and had many fans feeling that Lucasarts were doing a disservice to Gilbert's creation. This was largely due to the glitchiness of the game (which was ironed out somewhat in the [=PS2=] port), the non-point and click controls, PolygonCeiling graphics, the retconning, the unfunny and stereotypical humor, the reliance on time and memory based puzzles, and nonsensical portions like Monkey Kombat. Ron Gilbert was involved with the first two games' remakes and oversaw some of VideoGame/TalesOfMonkeyIsland (which was a step up from Escape, though not to the degree most fans wanted), but doesn't have particular interest in working on the next parts.
* ''VideoGame/DukeNukem3D'''s Nuclear Winter expansion pack is generally considered the worst, and is also the only one 3D Realms didn't work on. Though it's not without reason - the first two levels are just slight rehashes of the first two levels in the base game in reverse order, and the music for every stage is Christmas carols. The level designs are also fairly boring in comparison to the other packs, and some parts are fairly similar to other levels from the original game.
* In 2014, Natsume developed and released ''[[VideoGame/HarvestMoon Harvest Moon: The Lost Valley]]'', as they lost the rights to import future ''Bokujō Monogatari'' titles from the original developer Marvelous to Creator/XSEEDGames, but still having the rights to the ''Harvest Moon'' name (this meant that ''Connect to the New World'' and subsequent titles are now under a new name,''VideoGame/StoryOfSeasons''.) However reception for ''The Lost Valley'' had been met with negative reception compared to ''Story of Seasons''.
** That said, it's not without reason. While some of the hate is because Natsume developed it, the game is of noticeably lower quality compared to the games made by Marvelous. While there are many complaints, the largest of them are the lower quality and super deformed art (and using 3D models instead of hand-drawn portraits for conversations), and that the three (compared to the typical five/six) bachelors/bachelorettes are blatant copies of ones from previous Harvest Moon games.
* ''Franchise/MetalGear'' combines this trope with the fact that Creator/HideoKojima says he is never making another one after making every single game from ''Metal Gear Solid 2'' onwards. His eccentric design philosophy and personality is a very strong influence on ''Metal Gear'', and attempts to imitate it by committee tend to come off poorly.
** ''VideoGame/MetalGear'' for the NES, on which Kojima did not work, was a complete mess. ''VideoGame/SnakesRevenge'', on which Kojima also did not work, was somewhat less of a mess but the team developing it felt guilty enough about it to ask Kojima to develop his own ''Metal Gear'' sequel. ''VideoGame/MetalGear2SolidSnake'', which he did develop in response to this request, is a known classic.
** ''VideoGame/MetalGearAcid'' goes for its own brand of {{Camp}}y madness unique to director Shinta Nojiri, but a quirky and overcomplicated game system and a bizarre GothicHorror plot did little to endear it to most players. While its sequel was better received, Nojiri was being groomed by Kojima as a potential replacement on ''Metal Gear'', but left Kojima Productions rather than accept the poison chalice.
** ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidPortableOps'' (on which Kojima did not work) was a solid, well-received game, but with some questionable design decisions and a StrictlyFormula plot which {{Retcon}}ned the backstory of a very popular character to shoehorn him into the game, and much of the reason Kojima made ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker'' was to push it out of the canon and into BroadStrokes. ''Portable Ops'' was considered a really good game at the time of release and had glowing reviews, but once ''Peace Walker'' came out it started to be remembered much more negatively. Few will defend it now.
** ''VideoGame/MetalGearRisingRevengeance'' is the most generally successful non-Kojima ''Metal Gear'' game and is praised by most ''Metal Gear'' fans and Kojima himself, but is still somewhat controversial due to the fact Kojima didn't make it (with some fans feeling its tone and gameplay [[AesopAmnesia misses the point of the series]]). Game critics didn't review it as highly as Kojima's games, but still gave it positive reviews.
** ''VideoGame/MetalGearSurvive'' was met with near-universal mockery and disdain when it was announced. The first ''Metal Gear'' game developed after Creator/HideoKojima's sacking from Konami, even the fans who might have liked the premise were unwilling to give it any good faith.
* The first two ''VideoGame/StarControl'' games were well-received and beloved by fans. The third, developed with no involvement from the original creators was... [[FanonDiscontinuity not]].
* The ''Franchise/ResidentEvil'' games made after Shinji Mikami's departure have continued to receive divisive reception. A common complaint in these later games has been the focus on action, mainly turning the series into a shoot'em up with only a few horror elements. While the more action-heavy elements did start with ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil4'' (the last game Mikami oversaw), it still managed to keep a heavy horror atmosphere.
* Many fans of {{VideoGame/Drakengard}} reject the second game, on the basis of Creator/TaroYoko not being involved, claiming that his absence led to the game's story and characters being much more irritating and uninteresting. Subsequent games in the series, including the GaidenGame VideoGame/NieR and {{VideoGame/Drakengard3}}, have been much more well-received (although Drakengard 3 is in itself somewhat divisive).
* An odd variation happened with the ''VideoGame/WingCommander'' series, where the fifth game, the only one to be made without any involvement from series creator Chris Roberts, is usually considered the worst game in the series by far (not counting spin-off titles). However, Roberts ''was'' responsible for the ''[[Film/WingCommander Wing Commander]]'' movie, which got a reception even worse than that of the fifth game.
* The HD version of ''VideoGame/AgeOfEmpiresII'' and its expansions were made without any involvement from Ensemble Studios. This leads to some of the changes being done out of favouritism (or lack thereof).
* Possibly the reason why Creator/InsomniacGames made ''VideoGame/RatchetAndClank2016''. From a broader perspective, most non-Insomniac depictions of the title characters, such as ''VideoGame/PlaystationMoveHeroes'' and ''VideoGame/PlaystationAllStarsBattleRoyale'' don't quite nail the look, including Clank in [[Film/RatchetAndClank the movie]].
* According to Polygon's oral history of ''Franchise/FinalFantasy VII'', many within Square Enix believe that the soul of the series was lost after original creator Creator/HironobuSakaguchi's departure, due to his uniquely visionary approach ([[Film/FinalFantasyTheSpiritsWithin which eventually became too visionary for him to not bankrupt his company]]). Creator/TetsuyaNomura has stated that he feels the ''V'' writer and ''VI''-through-''VIII'' director Creator/YoshinoriKitase is the person who most understood Sakaguchi's vision, but also that replacing Sakaguchi is impossible.
* Many fans of the ''VideoGame/DestroyAllHumans'' series pinpoint the FranchiseKiller to when the third and fourth games, ''Big Willy Unleashed'' and ''Path of the Furon'', were developed by two separate studios other than Pandemic Studios (who went defunct around 2007). The drastic style changes and {{Flanderization}} of the main cast didn't help either. These may be the reasons why THQ Nordic (the current owner of the series) have not ported the aforementioned two games to the Playstation 4.

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* There's a subset of animation fans who feel this way about Creator/{{Disney}} after [[Creator/WaltDisney Walt]] and Roy died, particularly about the films released between the [[Disney/TheAristocats early '70s]] and the [[Disney/TheBlackCauldron mid '80s]] before the older, Walt-era management was shown the door and the new, outside management took over the studio. Anything made from the [[Disney/TheGreatMouseDetective late '80s]] on tends to get mixed reactions, with the general consensus seeming to be that the work overall is an improvement over the early '70s to mid '80s films, but it just [[NoTrueScotsman "isn't Disney"]].
** And then [[BrokenBase within that subset]] there seems to be a split opinion over whether or not the films made with Creator/JohnLasseter in control of the studio, including ''Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'', ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'', ''Disney/WreckItRalph'' and ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' are a step closer to Walt Disney's style or a step further away from it.
* Similarly, not many fans cared for the subsequent incarnations of WesternAnimation/OswaldTheLuckyRabbit (by Charles Mintz and Creator/WalterLantz), preferring the originals done by Walt Disney and Creator/UbIwerks.
* ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'' fans got this attitude after Disney tried to do a season without Creator/GregWeisman and botched it up.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheRenAndStimpyShow'' plays with this trope. Some fans feel this way after Creator/JohnKricfalusi was sacked. On the other hand, one could say that the show wasn't that much better even when he was involved[[note]]Just ask both [[Creator/{{Nickelodeon}} the network]], and anyone who ever worked under him, including Bob Camp and Bill Wray; see also TroubledProduction[[/note]], especially with regards to the infamous [[Recap/RenandStimpy2x07SonofStimpy "Son of Stimpy"]] episode, with which he essentially subverted his own creation (itself intended to be subversive) by intentionally creating a DeconstructiveParody of pathos scenes that was both [[DudeNotFunny unfunny]] on purpose, and completely idiotic, even by the show's standards, all so he could prove a point about "fake pathos" (see the article in question for all of the "stinky" details[[note]]Including the, uh, "heartbreaking" loss that Stimpy, uh, "suffers" in that episode.[[/note]]...).
* Only the original ''WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}}'' series involved Creator/ManOfActionStudios. The sequels, ''WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce'' and ''WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien'' are usually held to be of lower quality thanks to Creator/DwayneMcDuffie not really getting the series, despite the high quality of his [[Creator/MilestoneComics previous]] [[WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited work]]. ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' tried to go back to the original's style and quality, but [[BrokenBase fans are perpetually divided as to how well that succeeded]] and it ended up being something of a FranchiseKiller. Somewhat toned down in that when Man of Action ''did'' come back for the reboot, the result was overall not that well-received.
* This is most people's reactions to sequels to Creator/DonBluth movies. ''WesternAnimation/AnAmericanTail: Fievel Goes West'' is still considered a classic as well, but notably Creator/StevenSpielberg was still involved in the production as he was with the first movie.
* After Creator/LaurenFaust lessened her role on the show, ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' got its fair share of criticism as she was only indirectly supervising season 2's production and left the show entirely by season 3. However, now that the show has far more seasons that didn't have Faust's involvement, fans debate whether the show was better under her or current showrunner Meghan [=McCarthy=].
* The 1990s ''Franchise/{{Tintin}}'' cartoon produced by the Canadian animation studio Nelvana is a curious variant in that it was created long after creator Herge died. However, the cartoon is still much better received by fans than earlier adaptations, in no small part because it [[AdaptationDistillation generally stuck to adapting Herge's original comic albums]] instead of coming up with its own plots the way other adaptations have done.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes'' fans rarely think highly of episodes written by Creator/ManOfActionStudios instead of the usual Creator/MarvelAnimation writers.
* The WesternAnimation/SupermanTheatricalCartoons produced and directed by Creator/MaxAndDaveFleischer, respectively, broke new ground for the ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'' mythos and provided strong inspiration to other animators. The cartoons produced by Creator/FamousStudios don't have as high a reputation.
** To only a slightly lesser extent, the Fleischers' ''ComicStrip/{{Popeye}}'' cartoons. Many of those are considered to be among the best classic cartoons ever made, while the cartoons produced by Famous Studios are notorious for being StrictlyFormula and for their heavy use of RecycledInSPACE.
* The consensus on ''WesternAnimation/TheBoondocks'' Season 4 is that the show only works when Aaron [=McGruder=] is at the helm.
* In an interesting case that actually does mix in a bit of MyRealDaddy, while Ciro Nieli has remained on the new [[WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2012 Ninja Turtles]] cartoon, Joshua Sternin and Jennifer Ventimilia, who were also heavily involved with its development as well as the original head writers for the series, both took off after the first season was over. Opinions on seasons two and onward have notably been much more divided between fans.
* Many fans of the original ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans'' feel this way about ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'', as very few involved with the well-regarded former series worked on the divisive latter series.
* Fans of ''WesternAnimation/CodeLyoko'' when comparing it to ''Series/CodeLyokoEvolution'', which had very limited input from the original showrunners.
* The two best-received ''Franchise/{{Asterix}}'' animated films, ''Asterix and Cleopatra'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheTwelveTasksOfAsterix'', are also the ones that were written and directed by series creators Rene Goscinny and Albert Uderzo. None of the other ones are generally considered ''that'' bad, but the only two to be up near the ones that Goscinny and Uderzo themselves directed were ''Asterix vs. Caesar'' and ''Asterix in Britain'', which lacked any hands-on involvement from Uderzo (Goscinny had died by this point), but were written by Pierre Tchernia, who was involved in making ''Cleopatra'' and ''Twelve Tasks''.
* ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls2016'' is this for many fans [[WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls of the original series]] since ''Creator/CraigMcCracken'' was nowhere involved in this version (heck he even stated in an interview he ''didn't want'' the series to be rebooted). In a related vein, the original series was also guilty of this, as he left the show after the fourth season to focus on ''WesternAnimation/FostersHomeForImaginaryFriends'' and the episodes in the following seasons declined in quality.
* Likewise fellow Cartoon Network series ''WesternAnimation/DextersLaboratory'' was this following the ''Ego Trip'' movie, as Creator/GenndyTartakovsky had moved on to make ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack''. Not only did the show suffer an unpleasant redesign but fans felt they largely flanderized a lot of the characters. Notably, Creator/ChrisSavino, the producer of both the later seasons of this and ''Powerpuff Girls'', would go on to make ''WesternAnimation/TheLoudHouse''.
* ''WesternAnimation/JohnnyTest'' is an interesting case in that its first season (produced by Warner Bros. Animation) is considered [[SoOkayItsAverage average at best]] rather than being a great show. Regardless, everything after that first season (produced by Cookie Jar/DHX) is considered some of the worst SeasonalRot to ever befall a show, to the point of rendering it one of the most hated cartoons ''of all time'' to many ([[VindicatedByHistory though people have started to lighten up on it since it got cancelled]]).
* Many ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' fans have this opinion regarding Pendleton Ward and, to a lesser degree, [[WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse Rebecca Sugar]]. After Ward stepped down as showrunner during season 6 (Sugar had already left by then), the show shifted into [[GoingCosmic a more serious and introspective tone]], which many felt was [[ContemplateOurNavels pretentious and distracting from the actual plot]]. A lot of fans who feel this way argue that only Ward and Sugar really knew how to [[CerebusRollerCoaster balance the crazy adventures and humor evenly with the darker elements]]. Thus, in their opinions, the rest of the crew was [[ProtectionFromEditors allowed to get self-indulgent due to no longer having someone to restrain them]].